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So after a few threads of people complaining about eldar and how to fix them would be to change a few things I tried out a few of those things, I have the 1 heavy weapon per3 bikes a go and it pretty much makes them crap, with only 4 s6 ap6 shots they really don't do much, I played against necrons and SM and it was so one sided every game. If you want to make eldar balanced then necrons need to lose RP and space marines need to lose the whole free transport option. If you want to house rule one army you really need to house rule others

If you're using only 3 bikes in a unit, then yeah.

That's like expecting a lone Lascannon to do all the Anti-Armour work.

 Selym wrote:
If you're using only 3 bikes in a unit, then yeah.

That's like expecting a lone Lascannon to do all the Anti-Armour work.

so your saying to take more then 3.? It's already had enough you have 2 dudes not shooting anything, no point in taking another 3, now you have 4 guys shooting dirt all game. Yeah I'll stick to taking lasers on all my bikes and if people don't like it then tough. No one should have to weaken there army just so other people think it's fair

What are you trying to kill with them?

Probably infantry like it was meant for.

Necrons are dumb resilient even if you had 3 on 3 heavys.

Marines are also resilient with there 3 up armor (expensive and not impenetrable as people want them but still decently good)


Scatter bikes should be going after things like heavy weapon teams, dev squads that have to move or die.

I'd hope so. If you are aiming for more infantry, all the scatter bikes have infantry-killing guns.

Sure, you may need to get closer, but so does the rest of the world.

 Selym wrote:
What are you trying to kill with them?

anything, 4 shots does nothing

So back it up with 10 shots of something else?

I have a feeling he was going for tanks.

Each bike has a Twin-Linked Shuriken Catapult, a 12" Assault 2 boltgun with psuedo rending.

Get six bikes. Two Scatter Lasers, four TLSC.

Something gets hit. You also have durability. And speed.

And you could assault if you have to.


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 Desubot wrote:
I have a feeling he was going for tanks.

Poor choice...

It's okay, I'm sure the OP would be happy with Marine biker units where every model is equipped with Grav or plasma guns.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
It's okay, I'm sure the OP would be happy with Marine biker units where every model is equipped with Grav or plasma guns.

Command Squads

Buuurn!

 Selym wrote:
Each bike has a Twin-Linked Shuriken Catapult, a 12" Assault 2 boltgun with psuedo rending.

Get six bikes. Two Scatter Lasers, four TLSC.

Something gets hit. You also have durability. And speed.

And you could assault if you have to.


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 Desubot wrote:
I have a feeling he was going for tanks.

Poor choice...

but but but....if i let my bikers get within range of my enemies weapons I will actually have to think and not rely on my codex to win me battles.

DMan you prove the point that you are TFG eldar player post after post good work keep it up

A week without dmans eldar troll thread is a wasted one. Don't forget to say highlander rules are crap and daemon tournament lists are broken. Just play ur bikes and keep us out of it or be a man and roll orks

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Each bike has a Twin-Linked Shuriken Catapult, a 12" Assault 2 boltgun with psuedo rending.

Get six bikes. Two Scatter Lasers, four TLSC.

Something gets hit. You also have durability. And speed.

And you could assault if you have to.


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 Desubot wrote:
I have a feeling he was going for tanks.

Poor choice...

but but but....if i let my bikers get within range of my enemies weapons I will actually have to think and not rely on my codex to win me battles.

DMan you prove the point that you are TFG eldar player post after post good work keep it up

give the bikes options to take a fusion gun and sure I'll get close, if not why would anyone get close with them, is everyone forgetting that there just space marines, regular bolters would kill them, thus why you have to stay back but with only four shots your not killing anything, maybe people need to stop being so butt hurt about scattbikes and focus on ways to beat them as is. Drop pod 10man SM squad will take care of a bike unit pretty well, and know one take just one drop pod usually 3-5.

Dman137 wrote:
So after a few threads of people complaining about eldar and how to fix them would be to change a few things I tried out a few of those things, I have the 1 heavy weapon per3 bikes a go and it pretty much makes them crap, with only 4 s6 ap6 shots they really don't do much, I played against necrons and SM and it was so one sided every game. If you want to make eldar balanced then necrons need to lose RP and space marines need to lose the whole free transport option. If you want to house rule one army you really need to house rule others

Eldar Jetbikes couldn't even take scatter lasers until this edition, before that they were limited to Shuriken Cannon, and that was only 1 out of 3. Even still they were considered one of the best units in the codex.

Put another way: For over a decade, Eldar Jetbikes couldn't take any scatter lasers at all, and they were perfectly fine. Quit your whining, Scatbikes are horribly OP, if you can't win without them then you're just bad at the game.

Sincerely,

A veteran Eldar player.

Grubass wrote:
A week without dmans eldar troll thread is a wasted one. Don't forget to say highlander rules are crap and daemon tournament lists are broken. Just play ur bikes and keep us out of it or be a man and roll orks

hightlander rules are crap lol they promote deathstar army.

Dman137 wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Each bike has a Twin-Linked Shuriken Catapult, a 12" Assault 2 boltgun with psuedo rending.

Get six bikes. Two Scatter Lasers, four TLSC.

Something gets hit. You also have durability. And speed.

And you could assault if you have to.


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 Desubot wrote:
I have a feeling he was going for tanks.

Poor choice...

but but but....if i let my bikers get within range of my enemies weapons I will actually have to think and not rely on my codex to win me battles.

DMan you prove the point that you are TFG eldar player post after post good work keep it up

give the bikes options to take a fusion gun and sure I'll get close, if not why would anyone get close with them, is everyone forgetting that there just space marines, regular bolters would kill them, thus why you have to stay back but with only four shots your not killing anything, maybe people need to stop being so butt hurt about scattbikes and focus on ways to beat them as is. Drop pod 10man SM squad will take care of a bike unit pretty well, and know one take just one drop pod usually 3-5.

Or maybe you need to position so you dont have to deal with tanks all the time. or only play against gladius marine players only.

most people bring squishy back field things with long range fire power. or back field objective holders.

and you can turbo boost 48" to get basically anywhere

Dman137 wrote:
give the bikes options to take a fusion gun and sure I'll get close, if not why would anyone get close with them, is everyone forgetting that there just space marines, regular bolters would kill them, thus why you have to stay back but with only four shots your not killing anything, maybe people need to stop being so butt hurt about scattbikes and focus on ways to beat them as is. Drop pod 10man SM squad will take care of a bike unit pretty well, and know one take just one drop pod usually 3-5.

"Oh no, if I play with sensible limitations, I'll have to risk taking casualties!"

Bikes are not the only thing in the Eldar codex.

Seriously. I know it's hard to believe, but Fire Dragons are excellent anti-tank.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Dman137 wrote:
So after a few threads of people complaining about eldar and how to fix them would be to change a few things I tried out a few of those things, I have the 1 heavy weapon per3 bikes a go and it pretty much makes them crap, with only 4 s6 ap6 shots they really don't do much, I played against necrons and SM and it was so one sided every game. If you want to make eldar balanced then necrons need to lose RP and space marines need to lose the whole free transport option. If you want to house rule one army you really need to house rule others

Eldar Jetbikes couldn't even take scatter lasers until this edition, before that they were limited to Shuriken Cannon, and that was only 1 out of 3. Even still they were considered one of the best units in the codex.

Put another way: For over a decade, Eldar Jetbikes couldn't take any scatter lasers at all, and they were perfectly fine. Quit your whining, Scatbikes are horribly OP, if you can't win without them then you're just bad at the game.

Sincerely,

A veteran Eldar player.

you must not play much, bikes before this edition were only good for grabbing objectives that's it. It's not whining lol I'm going to take them all the time lol people need to stop whining about people that do take them, people need to get good or get lost

Dman137 wrote:
So after a few threads of people complaining about eldar and how to fix them would be to change a few things I tried out a few of those things, I have the 1 heavy weapon per3 bikes a go and it pretty much makes them crap, with only 4 s6 ap6 shots they really don't do much, I played against necrons and SM and it was so one sided every game. If you want to make eldar balanced then necrons need to lose RP and space marines need to lose the whole free transport option. If you want to house rule one army you really need to house rule others

All I can say is 'how do you think every other troop choice in the game feels?'

Surprising as this might sound, other armies don't get 1:1 special/heavy weapons on their troops - for most it's 1:5 or even 1:10.

Moreover, these troops are almost universally infantry - they don't have the absurd mobility of jetbikes for getting into position, capturing objectives, escaping etc..

Sorry, but it just sounds like you've been spoilt.

All I can suggest is that you try a different army and see how much their troops accomplish, whilst being vastly less manoeuvrable.

give the bikes options to take a fusion gun and sure I'll get close, if not why would anyone get close with them, is everyone forgetting that there just space marines, regular bolters would kill them, thus why you have to stay back but with only four shots your not killing anything, maybe people need to stop being so butt hurt about scattbikes and focus on ways to beat them as is. Drop pod 10man SM squad will take care of a bike unit pretty well, and know one take just one drop pod usually 3-5.

Eldar are the only Codex right now that allows you to take cheap jetbikes as troops which greatly improve armor save, and firepower. You are complaining that bolters kill them but fail to grasp that this is the point. Thats what makes the game fair. Its not your fault the guy who wrote your codex is an idiot whose concept of "balance" is winning every game by tabling opponents. But by the same token it is your fault for being TFG and spamming the most broken units in your codex and then telling everyone to L2P.

I guess he'll counter with SM Bikers as a potential Troops choice and miss the point.

Bikes before this edition were an essential component to one of the most powerful builds available to the Eldar codex. But you're right, people do need to get good or get lost, you should lead by example and learn to stop leaning on a crutch like those bikes and maybe try playing some units that actually require skill.

 vipoid wrote:

Dman137 wrote:
So after a few threads of people complaining about eldar and how to fix them would be to change a few things I tried out a few of those things, I have the 1 heavy weapon per3 bikes a go and it pretty much makes them crap, with only 4 s6 ap6 shots they really don't do much, I played against necrons and SM and it was so one sided every game. If you want to make eldar balanced then necrons need to lose RP and space marines need to lose the whole free transport option. If you want to house rule one army you really need to house rule others

All I can say is 'how do you think every other troop choice in the game feels?'

Surprising as this might sound, other armies don't get 1:1 special/heavy weapons on their troops - for most it's 1:5 or even 1:10.

Moreover, these troops are almost universally infantry - they don't have the absurd mobility of jetbikes for getting into position, capturing objectives, escaping etc..

Sorry, but it just sounds like you've been spoilt.

All I can suggest is that you try a different army and see how much their troops accomplish, whilst being vastly less manoeuvrable.

I've played with tau, orks and SM and I've had great success. It's all about learning new stratigys

It would probably be helpful if you knew how to spell 'strategy'.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Bikes before this edition were an essential component to one of the most powerful builds available to the Eldar codex. But you're right, people do need to get good or get lost, you should lead by example and learn to stop leaning on a crutch like those bikes and maybe try playing some units that actually require skill.

lol I could use any unit and make them good, it's about tactics

Dman137 wrote:
lol I could use any unit and make them good, it's about tactics

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Yet you started a thread complaining about how scatterbikes with 1:3 special weapons don't do anything.

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I just don't...

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Dman137 wrote:
lol I could use any unit and make them good, it's about tactics

Then you should have no problems with 1/3 Heavy Jetbikes!

Dman137 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Bikes before this edition were an essential component to one of the most powerful builds available to the Eldar codex. But you're right, people do need to get good or get lost, you should lead by example and learn to stop leaning on a crutch like those bikes and maybe try playing some units that actually require skill.

lol I could use any unit and make them good, it's about tactics

HAHA! Yea, just like you were able to make Eldar Jetbikes with 1:3 scatterlasers good, right? Wait, no, I forgot, you couldn't make them good so you started a whinethread on dakka about it.