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Out of all the possible primarchs that could come back

The Lion
Guilliman
Khan
Vulkan
Russ
Corax


who would have the biggest effect in Imperium society if they returned?

HORUS.

He'd have a pretty big 'influence' I'm sure.....

"Biggest influence" and "most positive effect" are two different things. Rowboat would have the biggest influence. The Lion the most positive effect.

Could we have Omegon added to the list? Dorn, since that sad sack of gak apparently isn't dead?

 EmpNortonII wrote:
"Biggest influence" and "most positive effect" are two different things. Rowboat would have the biggest influence. The Lion the most positive effect.

Could we have Omegon added to the list? Dorn, since that sad sack of gak apparently isn't dead?

Added those two to the poll

LightKing wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:
"Biggest influence" and "most positive effect" are two different things. Rowboat would have the biggest influence. The Lion the most positive effect.

Could we have Omegon added to the list? Dorn, since that sad sack of gak apparently isn't dead?

Added those two to the poll

Could you delete the "Alpharius" part? It's a popular theory that Omegon was the first Grand Master of the Grey Knights. Alpharius was certainly a traitor and is probably dead.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:
"Biggest influence" and "most positive effect" are two different things. Rowboat would have the biggest influence. The Lion the most positive effect.

Could we have Omegon added to the list? Dorn, since that sad sack of gak apparently isn't dead?

Added those two to the poll

Could you delete the "Alpharius" part? It's a popular theory that Omegon was the first Grand Master of the Grey Knights. Alpharius was certainly a traitor and is probably dead.

Didn't Dorn kill Alpharius?

LightKing wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:
"Biggest influence" and "most positive effect" are two different things. Rowboat would have the biggest influence. The Lion the most positive effect.

Could we have Omegon added to the list? Dorn, since that sad sack of gak apparently isn't dead?

Added those two to the poll

Could you delete the "Alpharius" part? It's a popular theory that Omegon was the first Grand Master of the Grey Knights. Alpharius was certainly a traitor and is probably dead.

Didn't Dorn kill Alpharius?

I think that was Roboute Guilliman.

Guilliman would have largest effect, the Lion would make or break the Imperium more than Horus would have. Alpharius-Omegon would probably just assumed control.

Tygre wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:
"Biggest influence" and "most positive effect" are two different things. Rowboat would have the biggest influence. The Lion the most positive effect.

Could we have Omegon added to the list? Dorn, since that sad sack of gak apparently isn't dead?

Added those two to the poll

Could you delete the "Alpharius" part? It's a popular theory that Omegon was the first Grand Master of the Grey Knights. Alpharius was certainly a traitor and is probably dead.

Didn't Dorn kill Alpharius?

I think that was Roboute Guilliman.

Prior to the re-hash of the Horus Heresy, Index Astartes had Alpharius probably being killed by Guilliman on Eskrador during the Scouring. Probably. Praetor of Dorn has Dorn killing Alpharius. More probable. Serpent Beneath suggests Omegon (seriously, guys, his name isn't Omegron, that's just MWG being illiterate) is possibly Janus, and maybe the Pandorax book IIRC (symbolism). However, IIRC, Laurie Goulding, the BL big nob editor, had the old Index Astartes declared null and void.

 ChazSexington wrote:

Prior to the re-hash of the Horus Heresy, Index Astartes had Alpharius probably being killed by Guilliman on Eskrador during the Scouring. Probably. Praetor of Dorn has Dorn killing Alpharius. More probable. Serpent Beneath suggests Omegon (seriously, guys, his name isn't Omegron, that's just MWG being illiterate) is possibly Janus, and maybe the Pandorax book IIRC (symbolism). However, IIRC, Laurie Goulding, the BL big nob editor, had the old Index Astartes declared null and void.

Hmm, that's a bit of an ask considering their stance on canon. Alan Bligh seems to use a lot of the established stuff in the IA's and adds to them for the background in the FW Heresy books. I hold on to the IA currently that it was Omegon that was killed on Eskrador, seeing as how Guilliman didn't know that. There doesn't seem to be any contradiction to that other than the possibility that he might be the Grand Master.

I'm biased because I love the IA articles

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

Prior to the re-hash of the Horus Heresy, Index Astartes had Alpharius probably being killed by Guilliman on Eskrador during the Scouring. Probably. Praetor of Dorn has Dorn killing Alpharius. More probable. Serpent Beneath suggests Omegon (seriously, guys, his name isn't Omegron, that's just MWG being illiterate) is possibly Janus, and maybe the Pandorax book IIRC (symbolism). However, IIRC, Laurie Goulding, the BL big nob editor, had the old Index Astartes declared null and void.

Hmm, that's a bit of an ask considering their stance on canon. Alan Bligh seems to use a lot of the established stuff in the IA's and adds to them for the background in the FW Heresy books. I hold on to the IA currently that it was Omegon that was killed on Eskrador, seeing as how Guilliman didn't know that.

Spoiler:

Alpharius was already dead

There doesn't seem to be any contradiction to that other than the possibility that he might be the Grand Master.

I'm biased because I love the IA articles

Oh, I certainly love the old IA articles - I was very disappointed they didn't appear in the new edition of WD, but pleasantly surprised to see them on the community site! However, I believe the official stance is they are considered obsolete. While BL always have newer fluff take precedence, I think they have in effect been scrapped. While what French did was maybe the biggest fluff travesty since the Cabal, I'm still hopeful the Alpha Legion gets some redemption. Bitter and proud guerrilla warriors did suit them.

I think the idea that Janus is Omegon is pretty plausible, and it would be incredible if we got a full length HH book detailing the events leading up to that.

I don't buy the story that Alpharius was killed on Eskrador. Even the original IA article strongly suggests the story wasn't true, and since then the Alpha Legion backstory has been fleshed out considerably. It isn't a bad way to handle the disappearance of Alpharius though... he might be dead and might not; it fits the AL background that the status of their primarchs are a mystery

In any case I'm inclined to go with Guilliman for the thread queston. Most likely if we see one primarch return we'll see a bunch of them so we may find out. If that's the plan I can't wait!

Roboute.
That guy could turn the entire Imperium into the 500 worlds of Ultramar.
He would end the most crippling of imperial problems, burocracy.
Things would sweep around, become efficient, vastly improving output and general conditions.

The Lion would be the greatest military leader, giving the military a significant boost in tactics. It is said that he was the most brilliant tactician, held back by his lack of charisma and empathy.

Vulcan already did return and.. did zilch. In theory he could try and give is "empathy" to the wider imperium, but changing hearts is more difficult than introducing efficiency or tactics.

Guilliman, but probably not by fixing the imperium.

I suspect that any primarch would attempt to fix the imperium then throw there hands up in despair and switch to plan B, and guilliman would be the most pissed off because he kind of caused the mess with his restructuring.

His plan B would also probably revolve around reforming Ultramar as that area still holds a lot of the more enlightened & developed worlds that would be able to face the changes and support them selves.

This would likely the collapse of the imperium in other places as people realise that yes a primarch is back but he said hell no to the mess they've made and started building his own empire

I imagine girlyman, as from what I understand, he basically held the imperum together after the emperor's death.

I'd say Alpharius/Omegon... But he/they never left...

I think the biggest effect would be if Ferus Manus came back. That kind of necromancy would have big implications for the IoM. Few people have their heads cut off by a demigod wielding a daemonblade and come back, so it would be pretty impressive. He also might be able to fix the golden throne before it breaks and collapses the galaxy.

 Thairne wrote:
Roboute.
That guy could turn the entire Imperium into the 500 worlds of Ultramar.
He would end the most crippling of imperial problems, burocracy.
Things would sweep around, become efficient, vastly improving output and general conditions.

The Lion would be the greatest military leader, giving the military a significant boost in tactics. It is said that he was the most brilliant tactician, held back by his lack of charisma and empathy.

Vulcan already did return and.. did zilch. In theory he could try and give is "empathy" to the wider imperium, but changing hearts is more difficult than introducing efficiency or tactics.

so its confirmed that The Lion had the most brilliant military mind out of all the primarchs?

Ferrus Manus could also be on this list. As a daemon Primarch of the Emperor of Mankind.

 EmpNortonII wrote:
Ferrus Manus could also be on this list. As a daemon Primarch of the Emperor of Mankind.

man oh man... just imagine if the Legion of the damned grew in size and all the previously killed primarchs come back at the head of the legions. A skeletal, burning model of Sanguineous or Ferrus manus would be so friggen awesome.

Guilliman. Reorganizing the Imperium into an efficient war machine would have far more impact than bringing back just another brilliant tactician.

LightKing wrote:

 Thairne wrote:
Roboute.
That guy could turn the entire Imperium into the 500 worlds of Ultramar.
He would end the most crippling of imperial problems, burocracy.
Things would sweep around, become efficient, vastly improving output and general conditions.

The Lion would be the greatest military leader, giving the military a significant boost in tactics. It is said that he was the most brilliant tactician, held back by his lack of charisma and empathy.

Vulcan already did return and.. did zilch. In theory he could try and give is "empathy" to the wider imperium, but changing hearts is more difficult than introducing efficiency or tactics.

so its confirmed that The Lion had the most brilliant military mind out of all the primarchs?

Kind of. That seems to be his shtick, at least with a lot of background reading that I did. It doesn't say "he's the best" anywhere, but it is often attributed to him as knowledge is attributed to Magnus, Anger to angron, perfection to Fulgrim etc.
That and an absolute Iron Will (and some immunity to chaos corruption. I've read somewhere that some tzeenchian demon looked into his soul and found nothing to attack... which the Lion esponded to with "DID YOU FORSEE THAT?", standing up and stabbing the thing in the face).
He was a runner up to Warmaster because of that, but considering everything, Horus was more well-rounded in every aspect.

Roboute, Dorn, and the Lion would probably have some positive effects on the Imperium. Roboute was a great statesman, so he would probably make the Imperium less crap-sack.

The Lion was all about getting gak done. So was Dorn. Neither of them were very people-friendly, though. The enemies of the Imperium would definitely be in for a treat in the form of a chainsword or power sword enema.

 ArbitorIan wrote:
HORUS.

He'd have a pretty big 'influence' I'm sure.....

Actually, he did return after a fashion (and some how retained a portion of his memories, despite being obliterated by the Emperor). It only really immediately effected Eye of Terror politics at the time.

Well pretty much every primarch would be instant civil war. Guillimann about biggest one so he might succeed in it. Not sure would others be able to beat the Imperium in upcoming civil war though.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

Could we have Omegon added to the list?

Omegon never left.