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Made in gb
Esteemed Veteran Space Marine




UK

My digital enhanced edition of Codex Inquisition is offering an update. Has anyone else updated theirs? What are the changes?

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Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.

Probably removing Servo-Skulls.

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Made in de
Witch Hunter in the Shadows



Aachen

I only have the epub/mobi version, redownloaded it just now and nothing changed in there at least.
   
Made in gb
Esteemed Veteran Space Marine




UK

nekooni wrote:
I only have the epub/mobi version, redownloaded it just now and nothing changed in there at least.


Weird. So servo skulls are still in then?

If they are updating the book and still selling it, then one can only assume that the rules are still present. Long live the servo skulls?

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Probably removing Servo-Skulls.

No! Not my cute little servo-skulls!!!
   
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Affton, MO. USA

 mdauben wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Probably removing Servo-Skulls.

No! Not my cute little servo-skulls!!!

Keep your hands of my Mechandrites

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Made in de
Witch Hunter in the Shadows



Aachen

 General Kroll wrote:
nekooni wrote:
I only have the epub/mobi version, redownloaded it just now and nothing changed in there at least.


Weird. So servo skulls are still in then?

If they are updating the book and still selling it, then one can only assume that the rules are still present. Long live the servo skulls?

Sadly, yes. Altough as I said - I only have the downloadable, not the enhanced edition
   
Made in ca
Lit By the Flames of Prospero





Edmonton, Alberta

That is super interesting. So if I was to get the digital version I would still have servo skulls and crusaders/priests/jokreo/ect as options for acolyte squads with out the formation? If so that means in all honesty the digital version is better list.

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Made in fi
Courageous Space Marine Captain






Well this is just a mess. Now there effectively is two different valid inquisition codices. And the same seems to be true for SoB codex.

   
Made in ca
Lit By the Flames of Prospero





Edmonton, Alberta

 Crimson wrote:
Well this is just a mess. Now there effectively is two different valid inquisition codices. And the same seems to be true for SoB codex.


TBH it's only a mess because gw isn't being honest about the situation. If they admitted imperial agents were not the full sob and INQ rules players wouldn't be confused and disappointed right now.

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'Murica! (again)

Personally, we're just letting players choose the digital codexes for both or if they want C:IA. All good

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New Hampshire, USA

 Lockark wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
Well this is just a mess. Now there effectively is two different valid inquisition codices. And the same seems to be true for SoB codex.


TBH it's only a mess because gw isn't being honest about the situation. If they admitted imperial agents were not the full sob and INQ rules players wouldn't be confused and disappointed right now.


Why would a book of various imperial units replace an existing codex?

Grey Knights and Deathwatch are in the book too. Does that mean the old GK and DW are obsolete?

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Made in us
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I think most players and tournament organizers will let players use any rulebooks that are still in print, including digital. Reece said explicitly this will be true for ITC including LVO.

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Made in gb
Esteemed Veteran Space Marine




UK

Lockark wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
Well this is just a mess. Now there effectively is two different valid inquisition codices. And the same seems to be true for SoB codex.


TBH it's only a mess because gw isn't being honest about the situation. If they admitted imperial agents were not the full sob and INQ rules players wouldn't be confused and disappointed right now.


Bingo. The simple truth is that they are trying to double dip.

 
   
Made in de
Witch Hunter in the Shadows



Aachen

Just run it whichever way you want. I'll no longer use Codex: Inquisition, but that's my personal decision for my own list building. If someone else wants to use it, that's fine. I think they wanted C:IA to replace C:I , but fethed it up. The other factions simply don't really work as a replacement, so I'll treat them as such (=optional).
The only thing I'll argue is that the FAQ for battlebrother transports shouldn't be in effect for a) the Imperal Navy detachment and b) within Formations - well, and anything similar I can't remember right now. Go with what feels right.
   
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So.. i can use jokakeros from digital codex, and jokakeros from IA, that they have little different rules..

I thought that a new datasheet replaces older..
   
Made in gb
Esteemed Veteran Space Marine




UK

nekooni wrote:
Just run it whichever way you want. I'll no longer use Codex: Inquisition, but that's my personal decision for my own list building. If someone else wants to use it, that's fine. I think they wanted C:IA to replace C:I , but fethed it up. The other factions simply don't really work as a replacement, so I'll treat them as such (=optional).
The only thing I'll argue is that the FAQ for battlebrother transports shouldn't be in effect for a) the Imperal Navy detachment and b) within Formations - well, and anything similar I can't remember right now. Go with what feels right.


I think that's the best attitude to take. The transport thing is clearly a Rules as intended thing, otherwise the formation wouldn't have a dedicated transport option, and the imperial navy would be next to useless.

 
   
Made in ca
Lit By the Flames of Prospero





Edmonton, Alberta

zamerion wrote:
So.. i can use jokakeros from digital codex, and jokakeros from IA, that they have little different rules..

I thought that a new datasheet replaces older..


It appears you are to treat the C:I list and C:IA as separate army lists. You do not mix and match them as single army. Think of this how for example sm, sw, ba, csm, ect all have the "rhino". But the rules arent the same across all the books.

This dose mean you can ally C:I and C:IA into the same army as two different detachments i guess. No idea what this would accomplish. Well... besides causing confusion for your opponet, bease you are a dick i guess. But looks like a option

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Made in gb
Fresh-Faced New User




Great Britain

Could anyone with the updated digital Inquisition codex confirm if psybolt ammo is still a option for LR Crusaders please?

Cheers
   
Made in fi
Courageous Space Marine Captain






 DeffDred wrote:

Why would a book of various imperial units replace an existing codex?

Grey Knights and Deathwatch are in the book too. Does that mean the old GK and DW are obsolete?

Because SoB and Inquisition basically have their entire unit selection in the Agents (sans the Saint), while GK and DW don't.

   
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So how do you have in one book that replaces 2 armies but doesn't replace to other armies? Shouldn't it be either all or none?

Either it replaces everything that would include Grey Knights and invalidate a 2 or 3 month old codex or it doesn't replace anything and is a supplement that was said to be in the beginning and not replace anything and doesn't need to be used if a person choose not too.

So how can anyone tell you that Sisters of Battle and Inquisition are replaced and you need to use C:IA but you can use the older codex for Grey Knights and Death Watch.

Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
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One thing is replace the army and other replace the datasheet.
   
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zamerion wrote:
One thing is replace the army and other replace the datasheet.


And where does this say this in C:IA?

Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
Made in es
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Never a new datasheet has said it replaces the old.

Why this book should be different?

Same name, same faction but different rules for the same miniature..

Can i use the old pink horror rules? where said that the new rules from magnus replace the old?
   
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Davor wrote:
So how do you have in one book that replaces 2 armies but doesn't replace to other armies? Shouldn't it be either all or none?

Either it replaces everything that would include Grey Knights and invalidate a 2 or 3 month old codex or it doesn't replace anything and is a supplement that was said to be in the beginning and not replace anything and doesn't need to be used if a person choose not too.

So how can anyone tell you that Sisters of Battle and Inquisition are replaced and you need to use C:IA but you can use the older codex for Grey Knights and Death Watch.


You don't Wrath of Magnus clearly said what added to the codex and what replaced previous warscrolls. I don't see that here, and it offers new unique detachments. Until GW officially publishes (not social media comments in-line) that it replaces the old book, I still see no reason why a player has to choose. Just more options, very 40K. I suppose event TOs could declare one or the other if they like. It's not come up locally, or actually anyone I game with, where one player says the Armies of Imperial player must use C:IA. They may not even own it. We play the game we like, GW just provides more options.

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zamerion wrote:
Never a new datasheet has said it replaces the old.

Why this book should be different?

Same name, same faction but different rules for the same miniature..

Can i use the old pink horror rules? where said that the new rules from magnus replace the old?


Yes. Yes you can.

Well now I forget where GW said this a few months ago, but they said use what ever dataslate/codex/rules what ever you want, but don't mix and match. I think this came around when the Space Wolf mini had two rules and GW said use what ever you want. Sadly memory is fading and don't know where it was said. I am sure a few people here will remember this and maybe can link to this.

So yeah nothing overrides anything now if you "stick" with it and don't cherry pick from both versions. It's basically one or the other.

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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
Made in es
Longtime Dakkanaut





So this game its crazy.

Duplicate items. I can take 2 times the same reliqus from inquisitors and from battle sister because are 2 diferents options from diferents books. Yeahh 2 auto prayers with 2 priest because have the same item but are diferent books.

Battle sister, now i can take the squad with full equipment (i dont remember the name) in elites, and for each Canoness other squad whithout slot.

And other stupid example, i make my army list and i take some jokakeros.

I roll to see the benefits.

Depending on the result or the benefit, i said that is jokakero from INQ codex or from IA. ( its absurd example only to see how absurds are duplicate options)

Always a new dataslate replaces older. The first exception was the wolfpriest. Now this is more chaotic than ever..
   
Made in de
Witch Hunter in the Shadows



Aachen

Thats why you shouldnt try to play rules as written as your only guideline.

And no, you cant change the unit depending on your jokaero roll. You picked it and then rolled later. Just be consistent with how you apply and use the rules.

If you abuse and cherry pick i simply wont play with you again, and tourneys will just houserule it.
   
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New Bedford, MA USA

I just don't get the issue. Use the Dataslate or the IA book, whichever suits your taste. Just don't combine the different sources in the same detachment.

It's just an alternative set of rules to use the same models.

Duplicate items. I can take 2 times the same reliqus from inquisitors and from battle sister because are 2 diferents options from diferents books. Yeahh 2 auto prayers with 2 priest because have the same item but are diferent books.


Pretty sure Relics are 1 per type per army, not detachment. I don't think which book you pick your list from even factors in at all.

   
 
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