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Ultramarine Scout with Sniper Rifle




Teesside

How do you wash white? Specifically skulls and banners.

I've done a couple of base coats in ceramics white. What wash do you use? I've done nuln oil before but not entirely happy with the result. Also got Casandora yellow, agrax earthshade, seraphim sepia and reikland fleshshade. Any of them worth a try?
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




Nottingham, UK

Short answer is if you value your sanity, you don't.

Longer, vallejo do a pale grey wash that works well over a clean, flat white.

Generally though, it's easiest to layer up through multiple highlight mixes to get a good clean result.

Colours used vary depending on whether you want cold, neutral or warm white.

For skulls, basecoat in a tan brown, highlight up through sandy beige, and go to just off white (ivory).

 
   
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan





Fareham

If it's an actual white I'll layer up from celestra grey to skull white.

If it's a skull I'll start from mournfang brown and work my way up to ushabti with white highlights.

Washing white directly never works out well.
If you do plan on it, use light colours.
As winter says, light grey washes work well.


If you hit white with something like nuln or aggrax it won't look right atall.

   
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf





I find whites are a good place to use oils. Gloss varnish your acrylic white to protect it then give it a wash with a grey oil wash, I like to use water soluble oils myself.

The advantage of oils is you can mix them really thin so they don't have such a big effect on the white, and you can also come back over with a cotton bud and clean off some of the wash to bring back the white.
   
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Fixture of Dakka






You could use Nuln Oil, but in the recesses only. Then tidy up with the base colour.

Mind you, for skulls, I base coat with a bone colour, wash with Agrax Earthshade, then highlight up to white.

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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation





Eugene, Oregon

I just wash the recesses with brown or diluted drakenhof nightshade(blue)

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Boosting Ultramarine Biker




Illinois, USA

If you want something to look white, white should be your high light color, and your midtone should be a slightly off white. For washing, it depends what kind of white you want to end up with. Blue for a cool white, grey for a more neutral white, and brown for a warmer white. For skulls, I use Army Painter Skeleton Bone (same as the old Citadel Bleached Bone) washed with a sepia brown. I dry brush Skeleton Bone back onto it, and very judiciously high light with a little white. Hope this is helpful.
   
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine





United Kingdom

Depends what kind of white you want, but pure white washes with light grey works.

I second the recommendation of Vallejo's light grey wash.

   
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Ultramarine Scout with Sniper Rifle




Teesside

I can find a light grey Vallejo wash for vehicles on Amazon. Is that the one?
   
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body





Devon, UK

No, you need pale grey, small but important difference!

http://www.snmstuff.co.uk/product/vallejo-washes-pale-grey-shade-17ml/?gclid=CjwKEAiAn7HEBRDHwNqitoWqsQcSJAADWmI27IUjmcDY7BapPs7XksF4-zLHVh4kz0IHa0LknaLyZhoCLYbw_wcB

Can recommend the retailer too.

Other advice is to not just slather it over the whole surface, deliberately apply it in the recesses and leave the raised parts well alone.

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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan





Fareham

Sorry, but I just saw a link to a site called SnM stuff lol.

The product linked is spot on though and I'd highly recommend it.

   
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body





Devon, UK

Yeah, I'm not sure they thought it through (or maybe they did?!)

Have been using them semi regularly for a couple of years though, and they're legit. Seem to be in the sweet spot that they're big enough to have a good range and decent pricing but not so busy that customer service and speedy dispatch are hard to maintain.

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The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox

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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf





The reason I don't like washing only recesses with acrylic washes when it comes to white is because you end up with a hard edge which either looks ugly or you need to go over and cover it and try and feather it in, which can be difficult since white has such poor coverage.

The "only wash the recesses" thing I think only works well on darker colours where the hard edge isn't noticeable or colours that are easy to feather out the hard edge it creates.

That's why I'll go back to recommending the oils, if you decide to wash only the recesses with an oil wash the edge is relatively easy to feather out, just use a brush moistened with thinners to blend it out.
   
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body





Devon, UK

It really depends on the nature of the recess I guess, a gentle curve is going to be far more obvious than a hard armour edge.

That said, I find a moist clean brush run along the tide mark is quite effective at softening the transisition, but I'd normally favour the highlight up method for my own painting, just trying to offer the best advice within the confines of the question.

We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark

The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox

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Azreal13 wrote:No, you need pale grey, small but important difference!

http://www.snmstuff.co.uk/product/vallejo-washes-pale-grey-shade-17ml/?gclid=CjwKEAiAn7HEBRDHwNqitoWqsQcSJAADWmI27IUjmcDY7BapPs7XksF4-zLHVh4kz0IHa0LknaLyZhoCLYbw_wcB

Can recommend the retailer too.

Other advice is to not just slather it over the whole surface, deliberately apply it in the recesses and leave the raised parts well alone.


I do not understand this. A green on white? Do you have an example so I can see it? I can't make this out and would like to see an example so maybe I can start trying this technique.

Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body





Devon, UK

You really dont understand it, I haven't mentioned green in the slightest.

We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark

The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox

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Ferocious Blood Claw





NYC

Took me a while to get something I liked, but I ended up with this:

1) Prime with Skull White
2) Wash ENTIRE white area with a 50:50 mix of Agrax, and Lahmian Medium
3) Wash only recesses with 100% Agrax
4) Highlight with Ceramite White

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Fixture of Dakka





Azreal13 wrote:You really dont understand it, I haven't mentioned green in the slightest.


I just reread it. I swear you said green. Now I see clear as day you said grey. Sorry no wonder I couldn't understand it. LOL I totally misread it.

Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
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Using Inks and Washes





San Francisco, CA

Another vote for the Vallejo Pale Gray wash. It really does go on a light gray, and looks pretty good over white. Give it a try!

I play...

Sigh.

Who am I kidding? I only paint these days... 
   
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Florence, KY

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