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 JohnnyHell wrote:
Sounds like the £75 price point a la Dark Macragge Millenium Vengeancestorm or whatever the latest 40K starter is called.

And HH is GENIUS for GW, as one basic model makes the rank and file for BOTH factions. Hurrah! And they can sell upgrade kits to personalise to your chosen side! Huzzah!

PRINT MORE MONEY GUYS, WE'RE GONNA NEED IT!

Greenbacks for the greenbacks god, coins for the coin throne

At £75 for that box of true it's gonna be a bargain, I expect riots if limited. Buying those models from forgeworld would be about £400 by my guess (201 tacticals with guns, 100 ish terminators, about 80 in contemptors and then charafters)

Yeah it's gonna be more than that if the contents are true. Or at least I'd be very, very surprised if it was that cheap.

I wouldn't be surprised if this tests if enough people will buy a starter/boxed game with a three figure RRP.

If it has the rules for 30k in a softback rulebook, I’m in. One of the things keeping me from the slippery slope of the heresy is the cost of the FW rulebooks. I’ve got plenty of PA bodies kicking around.

 Nevelon wrote:
If it has the rules for 30k in a softback rulebook, I’m in. One of the things keeping me from the slippery slope of the heresy is the cost of the FW rulebooks. I’ve got plenty of PA bodies kicking around.

Doubt it. It's supposed to be a contained board game like Execution Force, no? Execution Force didn't have a 40K rulebook.

Also, army lists aside, rules are identical to 40K anyways, no? I always thought the FW books were more Codex-things, not actual rulebooks?

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
If it has the rules for 30k in a softback rulebook, I’m in. One of the things keeping me from the slippery slope of the heresy is the cost of the FW rulebooks. I’ve got plenty of PA bodies kicking around.

Doubt it. It's supposed to be a contained board game like Execution Force, no? Execution Force didn't have a 40K rulebook.

Also, army lists aside, rules are identical to 40K anyways, no? I always thought the FW books were more Codex-things, not actual rulebooks?

Yep. The big leather books have all of the fluff and rules, the red books contain all of the rules from several of those. So, if you wanted to build a 30k mechanicum list, you'd only need the little red book they're bringing out in the next few months.

If the listed contents are true, really looking forward to the upcoming release now, I've already got both red books plus book V, so I can easily field Ultramarines or Imperial Fists, not sure which yet.

 -Shrike- wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
If it has the rules for 30k in a softback rulebook, I’m in. One of the things keeping me from the slippery slope of the heresy is the cost of the FW rulebooks. I’ve got plenty of PA bodies kicking around.

Doubt it. It's supposed to be a contained board game like Execution Force, no? Execution Force didn't have a 40K rulebook.

Also, army lists aside, rules are identical to 40K anyways, no? I always thought the FW books were more Codex-things, not actual rulebooks?

Yep. The big leather books have all of the fluff and rules, the red books contain all of the rules from several of those. So, if you wanted to build a 30k mechanicum list, you'd only need the little red book they're bringing out in the next few months.

Cool. Nice if the rules are inside. But they are the 40K rules? No? Or are they different? Still the old IGO-UGO, BS, WS, T, S, LD, basic move 6", Look out Sir, Charge +1 Attack, 2D6 to charge, Hull Points, Snap Shots, Jink, Scatter Dice, etc, etc.., etc.... rules we know from 40K?

You still use the standard 7th edition 40k rules, with some minor changes to the mission structure here and there.

I sort of mentioned it before but the game will provide two legal armies out the box if you split with a friend, or one big one.

One built as Vets. and Cataphracti led by the Praetor. The other with two Tac. Squads as troops choices.

Judging by the sprues you can probably just make one big army (like I am).

At those costs I'd be grabbing two boxes just for myself. The power armour torsos look like a good way to cheapen out the cost of the phalanx breacher upgrades, and being bolter arms are all compatible with the legion heavy weapons.

 ImAGeek wrote:
So 30 marines, 10 Cataphractii, 2 characters and 2 Contemptors? Sounds good, but also sounds expensive.

If those are really the contents, then I'll be doubling what I'd planned on buying if it'd just been the marines and characters.

But what's really going to put me in the poorhouse are the Alpha Legion shoulder pads, heads, and torsos, and the Rhino and Land Raider doors.

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
I sort of mentioned it before but the game will provide two legal armies out the box if you split with a friend, or one big one.

One built as Vets. and Cataphracti led by the Praetor. The other with two Tac. Squads as troops choices.

but is it a board game? are we gonna see actual spaceship tiles ?

Yeah, depending on the sprues I'd definitely grab 1 and probably a second. Bits might hurt a bit but not to bad and that would be all the marines I'd ever need

 Melcavuk wrote:
At £75 for that box of true it's gonna be a bargain, I expect riots if limited. Buying those models from forgeworld would be about £400 by my guess (201 tacticals with guns, 100 ish terminators, about 80 in contemptors and then charafters)

It's clearly going to be limited as the rumours (from those who were right about the plastics in the first place) say the sprues are going to get their own release later,

and if the choice is a cheap starter or some sort or the same stuff in more expensive split boxes that's not going to work

the big question is if it's going to be a really limited release ... buy it in the first couple of weeks or you're out of luck, or a more sustained release (eg available for 3 or 6 months with more being produced if demand is there

At those contents I'd be preordering two as soon as it goes up provided its sub 100 in price

 RedFox wrote:

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
I sort of mentioned it before but the game will provide two legal armies out the box if you split with a friend, or one big one.

One built as Vets. and Cataphracti led by the Praetor. The other with two Tac. Squads as troops choices.

but is it a board game? are we gonna see actual spaceship tiles ?

Not sure tbh. Any "tiles" or board included would be cardboard though. The idea of this new boxed game trend, yes trend there will be more, is based entirely on what made 3rd ed Space Hulk so successful. A bunch of models you can to your army and a "free" game included.

As for those asking if this is limited. Yes it is, the characters in the box specifically. Everything else will form part of a new range which is kicking off fully next year. There'll be 2-3 months of plastic 30k releases next year at the minimum. Mostly SM stuff, but more Mechanicum too. Most of the Mechanicum stuff that has been released already, you'll be able to use in 30k.

I initially heard the contents of the box would drop 6 months after it's general release. However, I'm beginning to think, in light of the recent AoS release, that we'll get a 2nd wave of Heresy stuff in 6 months, with the box contents dropping before then. That is purely speculation on my part though.

 WhispererofTruth wrote:

 RedFox wrote:

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
I sort of mentioned it before but the game will provide two legal armies out the box if you split with a friend, or one big one.

One built as Vets. and Cataphracti led by the Praetor. The other with two Tac. Squads as troops choices.

but is it a board game? are we gonna see actual spaceship tiles ?

Not sure tbh. Any "tiles" or board included would be cardboard though. The idea of this new boxed game trend, yes trend there will be more, is based entirely on what made 3rd ed Space Hulk so successful. A bunch of models you can to your army and a "free" game included.

As for those asking if this is limited. Yes it is, the characters in the box specifically. Everything else will form part of a new range which is kicking off fully next year. There'll be 2-3 months of plastic 30k releases next year at the minimum. Mostly SM stuff, but more Mechanicum too. Most of the Mechanicum stuff that has been released already, you'll be able to use in 30k.

I initially heard the contents of the box would drop 6 months after it's general release. However, I'm beginning to think, in light of the recent AoS release, that we'll get a 2nd wave of Heresy stuff in 6 months, with the box contents dropping before then. That is purely speculation on my part though.

Mechanicum == Adeptus Mechanicus/Skitarii/Cult Mechanicus in this case?

Indeed.

So I don't really understand the core of this. Is GW creating an entire line of 30k/HH units and rules to directly compete with the Forgewold versions? Or are they going to use the same rules?

The box will contain it's own rules and Forge World will continue to write their own for now. Whether that will change as 40k changes is anyone's guess.


The line is being produced because of the huge success of the HH from both FW and BL. When the HH turns your two daughter companies into very profitable parts of your business even the stupid take note.


On a personal note I really hope we don't see a full takeover from GW. To me that's as scary a thought as Nick Kyme writing the final duel on the Vengeful Spirit.

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Whisper- Do you have any idea on the launch window for the main box if the followup is early next year?

Purely conjecture, but considering there's another 40k box you all know about that'll kicking around for a while. I'm going to go with; "While stocks last" on this one.

Requizen wrote:
So I don't really understand the core of this. Is GW creating an entire line of 30k/HH units and rules to directly compete with the Forgewold versions? Or are they going to use the same rules?

I think the beancounters just found out that some FW models sell well enough to create proper moulds for plastic casting. Maybe, and I know it's a stretch, but juuust maybe someone even thought that promoting the HH line would be a good idea too. Or maybe they just decided to give 30k a starter box. Who knows?

I may be wrong, but I really think this is also aimed at getting a little more 30K spending flowing to Nottingham instead of the Far East.

GW plastic prices will come in much lower than FW resin prices, and it's reasonable to think that more people will be willing to buy the real thing if the price isn't as staggering, especially from retailers who discount (which FW doesn't do either).

 gorgon wrote:
I may be wrong, but I really think this is also aimed at getting a little more 30K spending flowing to Nottingham instead of the Far East.

GW plastic prices will come in much lower than FW resin prices, and it's reasonable to think that more people will be willing to buy the real thing if the price isn't as staggering, especially from retailers who discount (which FW doesn't do either).

I hadn't thought of that but yes, that sounds entirely reasonable!

 gorgon wrote:
I may be wrong, but I really think this is also aimed at getting a little more 30K spending flowing to Nottingham instead of the Far East.

GW plastic prices will come in much lower than FW resin prices, and it's reasonable to think that more people will be willing to buy the real thing if the price isn't as staggering, especially from retailers who discount (which FW doesn't do either).

Add in that the additional stuff (like shoulder pads and helmets) aren't nearly as deeply discounted in the East vs. FW and this makes even more sense. Not to mention the capacity space it'll open up for FW.

There's a big "Far East" Market for the infantry and special units.

There seems to be almost none for the Special characters, primarchs, Titans (obviously) and other FW bits and bobs.