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Hey Dakka-ites! How's everyone doing? Been a while since I've written anything.

How many of you have ever used the rules for the 40K movie marines that was in White Dwarf a while back? How did the battles go and what kind of scenario did you use? Was it lopsided? Was it fair? Been thinking about getting creative with this and have a story driven campaign based off these rules. It's getting a little boring with the whole major campaign theme GW has been doing year after year.  My gaming group is in major need of something new...that's GW related of coarse.

Please...enlighten me!

Just for fun, I let a friend use them against me. He had I think 1000 points of movie marines, and I had 1850 points of normal marines.

Bottom of turn 2, he had killed nearly every single model in my army, and I had managed to kill acouple of his stunt doubles.

Do you have the rules for them, I wanted to try them out...

yeah i have hear d about these movie marines. Where are the rules for them?? does any body have them?? if so post them or do a link thingy/

They showed up in WD 300.

so i have been told but thats thhe US WD 300 and i cant get hold of it here in the UK. I have tried ebay etc. if someone has the issue please post it .

So Gabe, what your telling me is that 1000pts of "movie marines" took out 1850pts of normal? Holy crap I would say that was lopsided. :S

I was under the assumption that the points would balance out. Guess not....

Sorry....I'd post the rules, but then I'd get into trouble.

1000Pts Movie Marines killed 1500 of my Chaos Marines in 3 turns. I managed it to kill 2 doubles. After that I played them against 1500 Points sisters and killed them within 3 Turns. You may kill 1 or 2 when they have no stunt doubles. The rules are a good joke if you like the humor.

Going by the 10:1 Rogal Dorn fluff ratio someone should play 2000 points of Guard vs. 200 points of marines.

someone please post the rules or atleast private message me them so you dont get in trouble. Pretty please

"someone please post the rules or atleast private message me them so you dont get in trouble. Pretty please"

Ditto?

Eh yeah what was the concept behind all this?

The concept was to make marines live up to the fluff, where 1 squad of 10 takes out an entire army of regular troops.


As an example of the craziness involved... I think I recall the stormbolter being an Assault-8 rending weapon.

It just got worse from there.

stormbolter being an Assault-8 rending weapon??

Thats how it should be. Anyway can somebody pls post the rules here or atleast PM the people that want them.

The rules are terribly balanced.

The stunt double rules really destroy any chance of making the movie marines an enjoyable experience to play against.

post the rules. Its supposed to be a fun game not balanced. post post post post post or pm. I am wanting these rules.

"stormbolter being an Assault-8 rending weapon??

Thats how it should be."

right, that'd be fun.

no, i'm not serious.

post the rules. Its supposed to be a fun game not balanced.

First of all, posting the rules on this forum isn't allowed. Someone will have to PM them to you. So stop asking for people to post them.

Second, in a points based system, equal points are supposed to be roughly balanced against each other. I know this is a hard concept for you to grasp beef, but it's a fundamental concept of points based gaming.

Two gamers of roughly equal skill should be able to field two different armies of equal points value and if they play multiple games the results should be essentially 50/50 between the two armies.

This is not the case with Movie Marines. They will absolutely slaughter any equal amount of points in a normal army unless that army has been specifically tailored to take on the Movie Marines (and even then they probably won't be able to win).

The rules are broken. The spirit behind them is good, and with players open to modifying the points-values of the rules, I think they can be quite fun. But straight out of the magazine Movie Marines are absolutely no fun.

Yakface you post so well, Im starting to believe you are your avatar.

On topic: In my opinion these rules are fun if the guy dosen't take stunt doubles. Cause they rob the opponent of a moral victory. When you kill a marine he should atleast die.

Posted By yakface on 07/18/2006 11:53 PM

Second, in a points based system, equal points are supposed to be roughly balanced against each other. I know this is a hard concept for you to grasp beef, but it's a fundamental concept of points based gaming.

For petes sake yakface will you just give up on your hole balanced army issue.  Movie marines are just supposed to be fun.  to be played with mates for a laugh.  Who cares if they are not balanced.  I doubt they are supposed to be

For petes sake yakface will you just give up on your hole balanced army issue. Movie marines are just supposed to be fun. to be played with mates for a laugh. Who cares if they are not balanced. I doubt they are supposed to be

I knew you wouldn't be able to grasp the concept.

MOVIE MARINES HAVE BEEN GIVEN A POINTS VALUE. POINTS ARE ASSIGNED TO UNITS IN ORDER TO GIVE AN ESTIMATION OF THEIR ABILITIES WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE GAME. That points value should make Movie Marines roughly equivilant to an equal amount of points for any army in the game. That's the WHOLE POINT OF HAVING POINTS VALUES IN A GAME.

Obviously Movie Marines were made just for a laugh. The rules themselves pretty much say just that. But if they're going to give Movie Marines a points value, then an equal amount of enemy points should be able to beat the Movie Marines about 50% of the time if both players have the same skill level.

This is not even close to being the case. Movie Marines are much, much too powerful for their assigned points value. Which isn't terribly surprising considering they were written by Pete Haines.

thats why i wanted the rules so i could see for my self. if they are that good then maybe my opponent can get 1500 or more points for my 1000 moveie marines. I wont know till I play. I grasp the concept of balance but its seems thats all you think about. it seems like you akmost know what your talking about. do you work for GW's developing team or something??

Posted By beef on 07/19/2006 3:24 AM
thats why i wanted the rules so i could see for my self. if they are that good then maybe my opponent can get 1500 or more points for my 1000 moveie marines. I wont know till I play. I grasp the concept of balance but its seems thats all you think about. it seems like you akmost know what your talking about. do you work for GW's developing team or something??

Before you started telling me that "Movie Marines aren't about being balanced" perhaps you should have read the original post. That poster asked if Movie Marines were fun and fair (among other things).

Movie Marines are not fair becaue they are not balanced per their printed points cost. This in turn tends to make them not so much fun. Look at the first-hand histories presented by posters in this thread. They tried the rules out once, found them too overpowered for their points-cost and therefore didn't use the rules again.

Sure, you can spend time tinkering around with the rules/points cost to find something that works for you and your friends, but the whole point of rules being printed in a WD (along with an assigned points cost) is that one hopes that they can use these rules and have a fun (balanced) game. Heck, if you have to alter the rules to make them even remotely balanced you might as well go and write your own set of rules for Movie Marines. Forget about the whole article in the first place.

The fact is Movie Marines are neither fair nor fun because of their lack of game balance, so I let the original poster know that.

The only reason I have to continue posting long-winded tirades about balance is because you continue to think that game balance is some unbelievable concept like the Earth being round. I hate to be the one to tell you that game balance is possible and the world is indeed round.

 

Yak you seem to think game balance is an acheivable goal like peace in the middle east. Unfortunatly just like the middle east people have different views as to what peace is and what balance is.
You seem to be on a mission to convince people of game balance. why?? what do you hope to achieve?? do you thhink if enough people agree with you GW might condsider your ideas?? If they are so sensible I am sure they (GW) would do that on your ideas merits alone (unless what you consider correct they dont)

Yak you seem to think game balance is an acheivable goal like peace in the middle east. Unfortunatly just like the middle east people have different views as to what peace is and what balance is.
You seem to be on a mission to convince people of game balance. why?? what do you hope to achieve?? do you thhink if enough people agree with you GW might condsider your ideas?? If they are so sensible I am sure they (GW) would do that on your ideas merits alone (unless what you consider correct they dont)

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?

Points values in and of themselves are a method of game balance. That is what they are. I am not proposing any crazy concepts here that are not already used by Games Workshop in the game of Warhammer 40,000.

But points values can either be appropriately assigned or they can be inappropriately assigned (either to high or too low).

The original poster was interested (among other things) if this was properly done for the Movie Marines. I have only been trying to answer that original question.

You on the other hand, have not added a single useful piece of information towards the original query. And have actually repeatedly asked for copyrighted information to be posted on the forum (something that is not allowed).

That makes me think you are now simply posting in a vain attempt to goad me on. This sort of behavior is known as trolling, and if you want to continue down this path, it will only end in your account being suspended.

"That makes me think you are now simply posting in a vain attempt to goad me on. This sort of behavior is known as trolling, and if you want to continue down this path, it will only end in your account being suspended." yakface

I could say you are replying to me in a rude manner and your goading me to but is that not what forums are for?? if you dont want to reply to me then dont. its not like you have to is it. If you choose to reply you cant accuse me of goading you. Its simple dont reply.
if somebody does not agree with you is that what happens? there account gets closed?? abuse of power i think. all i am saying is that who are you to say points are not correct for marines or others. I understand thats your opinion just as my opinion is i dont care whether armies are balanced or not. Also GW writes the rules not you for points. Its thier system not yours so thjey are allowed to make the points up as they choose to. If you want go start your own club and make your own mini and rules and play with the points you think are appropriate. We have gone over this countless times before.

"You on the other hand, have not added a single useful piece of information towards the original query. And have actually repeatedly asked for copyrighted information to be posted on the forum (something that is not allowed)." Yakface
I asked for it YEs. but i also said if you cant post it here then email it to me. thats not against the law is it??

I could say you are replying to me in a rude manner and your goading me to but is that not what forums are for?? if you dont want to reply to me then dont. its not like you have to is it. If you choose to reply you cant accuse me of goading you. Its simple dont reply.

Where have I been rude to you? The closest I can tell that I was rude was when I said it is hard for you to grasp the concept that points are a system of game balance, yet you have continually shown that you cannot understand even the basis of the concept. I am sorry if that seems rude to you, but you have repeatedly made absolutely clear that you do not "believe" in such a thing as game balance.

if somebody does not agree with you is that what happens? there account gets closed?? abuse of power i think. all i am saying is that who are you to say points are not correct for marines or others. I understand thats your opinion just as my opinion is i dont care whether armies are balanced or not. Also GW writes the rules not you for points. Its thier system not yours so thjey are allowed to make the points up as they choose to. If you want go start your own club and make your own mini and rules and play with the points you think are appropriate. We have gone over this countless times before.

It is a fact that points are a system used to balance the game of Warhammer 40,000. It is also a fact that it is possible for a unit's point value to be too high or too low based upon the ability of that unit.

You are indeed correct that it is an opinion as to whether or not a unit's point value is not properly representative of their ablities and by how wide a margin this error is.

I was giving my opinion based on the original question in this thread (which asked for player's opinions on whether they thought MM's points were appropriate and fun).

On the other hand, you have continually attempted to deny the fact that a unit's point value can be an inappropriate representative of their ability. This is why you have been off-topic, and not actively participating in the purpose of the thread.

I asked for it YEs. but i also said if you cant post it here then email it to me. thats not against the law is it??

Law is not involved here, just forum etiquette. We do not allow copyrighted information to be posted and yes we would prefer if you wouldn't repeatedly ask for copyrighted information to be emailed to you. Please leave Dakka out of your attempts to steal copyrighted information (as hard as it may actually be to obtain legally).


I will take your advice and do my best to ignore you from here on out.

if somebody does not agree with you is that what happens? there account gets closed??

Oh, I wish Yak had that kind of power.

Lock the thread, someone please!!! Yak vs. Beef, the next survivor 40k

Please leave Dakka out of your attempts to steal copyrighted information (as hard as it may actually be to obtain legally).

I dont think that constitutes to stealing. I prefer to call it information sharing.