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Thankfully they are avoiding the standard pointless low level "give us 5$ and we'll include your name on a website no-one will ever find or on page xxx

On a cost analysis of books (which seems to have been done to death, it works out as being good value for money.

Clearly they'll be OK in terms of making their money on this one, but it is a bit troubling to see a lot of 'negative press' on something that I thought would be a bit more universally loved (strong core group of supporters) and better run...

 Alfndrate wrote:
(assuming Wyrd doesn't do something stupid like adjust their goals based on the first 24 hours of pledging).

This, I dearly hope they aren't as stupid to do that. It can and will kill a project. I'd rather see them go "Well, here's what you guys have unlocked so far!" instead of well, "Pledge harder bitches!"

 Alfndrate wrote:
My point about the price of books and the models is that people are complaining about the price of them. ... at the same time, I think that after the Bones kickstarter, both companies and backers are banking on stretch goals, I know On the Lamb was banking on their stretch goals for their most recent kickstarter.

... I'm pledging because I like having cool fate decks for Malifaux, I love RPG games and the fluff of Malifaux, and honestly I'm backing the company because they're currently giving more fun with my hobby than any other established company out there.
...
And my comment on the models was also based on the fact that you're picking up a special edition model which will ONLY be released through this kickstarter (at the moment), so they've got to get people to pick those pledge levels that give Hannah so they can pay the artists, the scupltors, and for the mold....

These are all well taken, but they highlight just why they are problems: in the end, your pledge is not so much an investment or a pre-order, but a donation. You like them, you want them to do well, so you are happy to get less value for money. It's no sin, but relying on your potential investors to take one in the wallet for you has consequences.

There is no doubt that companies are hoping the first few stretch goals will bring their pledges up to par: the problem is that I find this very counterproductive. The campaign is a bit over 12 hours old, and there are already people talking about the bad taste they are getting. Will the campaign still do well? Sure, in that it'll make more then its original funding goals, but is that the extent of doing well?

Why is it that a guy in Brooklyn (Adam Poots) can put together such a great deal for $100, but Wyrd, a company with, you know, actual staff and stuff, leaves everyone saying "okay, it's not a great deal, but..."?

We see the results of this: Kingdom Death: Monster was funded ($30,000) in 75 minutes. With a campaign that started at midnight on Thanksgiving, so pretty much the world other then the US was asleep and the US was turkey-drunk. How long did it take Wyrd, who launched in the early evening to make that same $30,000?

Beyond that, there is just some weird stuff going on (no pun intended). Announcing there will be no stretch goals till Friday as the first update... which is backers-only? Who does that? Why would you do that?

It's not that I'm happy to get less value for my money, I would rather pay 125 dollars for the Living Room Gamer and then pay for Hannah than I would for the 225 I have pledge. I'm trying to get friends in on my 225 pledge, take the hardcover book, the fate deck, and Hannah, and give them the 2 separate books, the multi-pose minis, and then give the wicked doll to my cousin, or keep it (cause I know my friends don't want it).

That way I get what I want and what I feel is fair for my pledge money.

There will always be dissenters, yes Wyrd is getting a lot of flak for this that they rightly deserve, there are issues like the ones I stated, the lack of a pdf copy of the rules (Look at OTL's EFT kickstarter which pumps out a new beta/playtest ruleset every Friday), and the inherent lack of communication on their own boards about this. Looking at the Kickstarter thread, a thread I'm pretty sure you've posted in (or it's just coincidence that a Buzzsaw posted in there ) you can see the lack of responses from the staff. In that thread there are 2 posts besides the OP. The first is from Eric Johns about the pricing and the second is from Ratty the Rules Marshal about a forum signature saying that you backed Through the Breach.

As to the KD kickstarter, I don't know why the deal is so much "better" than Wyrd's for this. Like it has been stated, book printing blows. EFT could only offer a printed rulebook if they got 300 orders. We didn't have that many backers, and most people wanted a pdf copy of the rules as it is. This game literally relies on it's book. It's not a miniatures wargame nor is it a board game (which have been wildly successful if you look at Zombicide, Sedition Wars, etc...) Board games appeal to a lot more people than an RPG would, maybe that's why. Yes Kingdom Death is a lot of cheesecake, and it's kinda gruesome though if I remember correctly, that's the company with that multi-boobed Wet Nurse right? His stuff always goes fast, something like this isn't to be unexpected.

The problem I see between the Wyrd kickstarter and Kingdom death is the same difference I saw with Tectonic Craft Studios, it's a 1 or 2 man operation that gets inundated with it's own popularity and becomes bombarded with trying to fill orders when they don't have the staff to do so, it took me several months to get a pressed wood laser cut tournament tray that was rife with bad craftsmanship and still BARELY fits together. I'm not saying that KD is going to put out a crappy product, I'm saying that in the long run, the establish company hopefully should be able to handle their own success better.

As to the updates, you didn't read what you quoted very well There will be daily updates near Wyrd's quitting time (4 to 5pm PST), but nothing on stretch goals till after the early pledge. I would send out a quick update today, and say hey, "This is changing, we weren't expecting this."

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
My point about the price of books and the models is that people are complaining about the price of them. ... at the same time, I think that after the Bones kickstarter, both companies and backers are banking on stretch goals, I know On the Lamb was banking on their stretch goals for their most recent kickstarter.

... I'm pledging because I like having cool fate decks for Malifaux, I love RPG games and the fluff of Malifaux, and honestly I'm backing the company because they're currently giving more fun with my hobby than any other established company out there.
...
And my comment on the models was also based on the fact that you're picking up a special edition model which will ONLY be released through this kickstarter (at the moment), so they've got to get people to pick those pledge levels that give Hannah so they can pay the artists, the scupltors, and for the mold....

These are all well taken, but they highlight just why they are problems: in the end, your pledge is not so much an investment or a pre-order, but a donation. You like them, you want them to do well, so you are happy to get less value for money. It's no sin, but relying on your potential investors to take one in the wallet for you has consequences.

There is no doubt that companies are hoping the first few stretch goals will bring their pledges up to par: the problem is that I find this very counterproductive. The campaign is a bit over 12 hours old, and there are already people talking about the bad taste they are getting. Will the campaign still do well? Sure, in that it'll make more then its original funding goals, but is that the extent of doing well?

Why is it that a guy in Brooklyn (Adam Poots) can put together such a great deal for $100, but Wyrd, a company with, you know, actual staff and stuff, leaves everyone saying "okay, it's not a great deal, but..."?

We see the results of this: Kingdom Death: Monster was funded ($30,000) in 75 minutes. With a campaign that started at midnight on Thanksgiving, so pretty much the world other then the US was asleep and the US was turkey-drunk. How long did it take Wyrd, who launched in the early evening to make that same $30,000?

Beyond that, there is just some weird stuff going on (no pun intended). Announcing there will be no stretch goals till Friday as the first update... which is backers-only? Who does that? Why would you do that?

I've been fairly critcal of several Kickstarters in the past, and I will continue to do so.

Some things that I think are rather pertanant to consider when comparing this kickstarter to the kickstarter for Kingdom Death is that, Wyrd is a known quanitiy. It's highly unlikely that with the international name that Wyrd has built for themselves over the last several years that they are going to fail to deliver on the project. Simply put the likely hood of them simply running off with the money is approaching 0. Kingdom Death however is a fairly unknown quantity. Sure they have delivered small quantities of things to people over the past 3 years, but they have never before had a project of this size. Who knows what complications they might run into..... If you could go back in time to before either of these Kickstarters started and had asked the average participant in our rather nitch hobby if they had ever heard of Kingdom Death, most of them would say no... There in lies the problem and therein why you can't compare these two projects, simply put its risk. To me atleast risk, or a lack of risk has a certain value with it. The more risk I'm asked to take on the more Its going to take to get me to take that risk.

Now, I'm not saying that I agree with the way the Through the Breach kickstarter is being run. I actually think that their doing a pretty poor job of running it, but in the end I don't think anyone ever listens to my rants. At its core I think that the pledge levels they have now are good and they are probably the sweet spots for this perticular project, unfortunatly for the time being they seem to have left out other options. I tend to think this was done on purpose, and is actually a way for them to, in their minds, keep people from abusing the free mini offer. I highly expect to see the current pledge levels locked on Friday the 30th at 5:00 pm, I then expect them to add more pledge levels as well as stretch goals. Overall I think their going alittle to heavily for the early backers...

Their are a few keys to highly succesful kickstarters. The first is to not alienate anyone, everyone that visits your kickstarter page is a potential backer even if they can't afford to buy your product or prefer to buy it at a FLGS. The second is to have a set of pledge levels and stretch goals that first make people want to invest in the project, but as the project goes on encourages those same backers to increase their pledges.

To be honest I was hoping this would be one of those projects that fails, so that its creators would relize what they missed out on and come back with a better plan. Unfortunatly thats not going to happen.

Quick update from Eric Johns:

EricJ;477674 wrote:Yep, the preview forum won't open up until the campaign is finished.

We have updated the kickstarter now that we've funded to let everyone know that we will be posting comprehensive updates every afternoon (between 4-5pst), which includes updated stretch goals, answers to frequent questions, announcements, etc... Also I will confirm that stretch goals will begin once the Miss Terious promotion ends. And no, we won't punish you for pushing the total higher in that time by giving less stretch rewards.

We have someone working full time replying to comments and questions, however, that means full time during business hours. If you ask a question or a stretch goal is hit at Midnight, please understand we're sleeping! (for example)

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No PDFs, it's official.

Creator Wyrd Miniatures 11 minutes ago
There have been numerous messages coming in about whether PDF's will be available; we thought we'd answer it here since it's probably on a lot of people's minds. At the moment, PDF's are not associated with any reward level on this Kickstarter.

Those are rather sad news. As a handicapped gamer, I use PDFs over printed material as my Nexus 7 tablet is easier to handle and lighter than a gaming book. Really disappointed by this turn of events. :(

Patience, your expectations are moving faster than the campaign is progressing

 Alfndrate wrote:
Quick update from Eric Johns:

EricJ;477674 wrote:Yep, the preview forum won't open up until the campaign is finished.

We have updated the kickstarter now that we've funded to let everyone know that we will be posting comprehensive updates every afternoon (between 4-5pst), which includes updated stretch goals, answers to frequent questions, announcements, etc... Also I will confirm that stretch goals will begin once the Miss Terious promotion ends. And no, we won't punish you for pushing the total higher in that time by giving less stretch rewards.

We have someone working full time replying to comments and questions, however, that means full time during business hours. If you ask a question or a stretch goal is hit at Midnight, please understand we're sleeping! (for example)

---------- Post added at 10:25 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:24 AM ----------

No PDFs, it's official.

Creator Wyrd Miniatures 11 minutes ago
There have been numerous messages coming in about whether PDF's will be available; we thought we'd answer it here since it's probably on a lot of people's minds. At the moment, PDF's are not associated with any reward level on this Kickstarter.

Those are rather sad news. As a handicapped gamer, I use PDFs over printed material as my Nexus 7 tablet is easier to handle and lighter than a gaming book. Really disappointed by this turn of events. :(

Patience, your expectations are moving faster than the campaign is progressing

So what I got from his update is that... They have no idea what their doing and went into this with Piss Poor Planning.


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Also I stand by my comment that this Kickstarter is as poorly run as their Evil Baby Orphange video was made...

No, I think that they know where they're going, but I think they're trying to cross the Atlantic in a row boat at night, with a blind navigator.

 Alfndrate wrote:
No, I think that they know where they're going, but I think they're trying to cross the Atlantic in a row boat at night, with a blind navigator.

Even with your much more genorous assesment, this isn't the face the self proclaimed #3 minature company in the world should show...

Alfndrate wrote:As to the KD kickstarter, I don't know why the deal is so much "better" than Wyrd's for this. Like it has been stated, book printing blows. EFT could only offer a printed rulebook if they got 300 orders. We didn't have that many backers, and most people wanted a pdf copy of the rules as it is. This game literally relies on it's book. It's not a miniatures wargame nor is it a board game (which have been wildly successful if you look at Zombicide, Sedition Wars, etc...) Board games appeal to a lot more people than an RPG would, maybe that's why. Yes Kingdom Death is a lot of cheesecake, and it's kinda gruesome though if I remember correctly, that's the company with that multi-boobed Wet Nurse right? His stuff always goes fast, something like this isn't to be unexpected.

No offense, but the $150 KD pledge contains two books, along with dozens of miniatures, from man sized to quite large and hundreds of cards. The basic $125 Wyrd pledge contains two books and three miniatures. If you want the 54 cards you need a different pledge.

So when you say "I don't know why the deal is so much "better" than Wyrd's", do you mean you honestly can't understand how Poots is able to offer such a tremendous value while Wyrd seemingly cannot, or that you honestly do not see the divergence in value between those two product offerings?

I ask sincerly, since without knowing which it is I cannot see how I can meaningfully reply.

Alfndrate wrote:As to the updates, you didn't read what you quoted very well There will be daily updates near Wyrd's quitting time (4 to 5pm PST), but nothing on stretch goals till after the early pledge. I would send out a quick update today, and say hey, "This is changing, we weren't expecting this."

Do me a favor, before I engage in needless speculation as to why you are repeating what I stated and claiming I didn't state it, would you mind explaining either what you think I stated, or what you think the update states? Or is the sum of your quibble that I considered the time of day to be sufficiently irrelevant as to merit no mention?

Buzzsaw wrote:Beyond that, there is just some weird stuff going on (no pun intended). Announcing there will be no stretch goals till Friday as the first update... which is backers-only? Who does that? Why would you do that?

Incidentally, they have now confirmed my statement about stretch goals;

Also I will confirm that stretch goals will begin once the Miss Terious promotion ends. And no, we won't punish you for pushing the total higher in that time by giving less stretch rewards.

Buzzsaw, my answer to you would be Risk. With the KD kickstarter I'm taking more of a risk with my money then I am with Wyrd's kickstarter.

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Buzzsaw, my answer to you would be Risk. With the KD kickstarter I'm taking more of a risk with my money then I am with Wyrd's kickstarter.

An excellent point, and one well worth considering. That said, in all honesty, I don't regard Kingdom Death as a sufficiently new company that worry constrains my purchases. An evaluation that is entirely individual, of course.

By contrast, I would look at a company like JunkRobot, for example. I'm throwing a bit of cash their way, but I freely recognize that they are a far riskier investment then either KD or Wyrd.

That said, I don't think that Poots has consciously included a risk discount. His reputation precedes him, after all.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
No offense, but the $150 KD pledge contains two books, along with dozens of miniatures, from man sized to quite large and hundreds of cards. The basic $125 Wyrd pledge contains two books and three miniatures. If you want the 54 cards you need a different pledge.

How big are the rulebooks, I'll admit I can't look very much at the KD kickstarter since Kickstarter is work blocked, but Wyrd's stuff isn't.

So when you say "I don't know why the deal is so much "better" than Wyrd's", do you mean you honestly can't understand how Poots is able to offer such a tremendous value while Wyrd seemingly cannot, or that you honestly do not see the divergence in value between those two product offerings?

I ask sincerly, since without knowing which it is I cannot see how I can meaningfully reply.

I don't know how Poots is able to offer such a tremendous value while Wyrd can't. Though like I said, he is offering a board game while wyrd is offering a role playing game, which are two different products

Alfndrate wrote:As to the updates, you didn't read what you quoted very well There will be daily updates near Wyrd's quitting time (4 to 5pm PST), but nothing on stretch goals till after the early pledge. I would send out a quick update today, and say hey, "This is changing, we weren't expecting this."

Do me a favor, before I engage in needless speculation as to why you are repeating what I stated and claiming I didn't state it, would you mind explaining either what you think I stated, or what you think the update states? Or is the sum of your quibble that I considered the time of day to be sufficiently irrelevant as to merit no mention?

Sorry, I was talking about the backer's only update you quoted on page 3 . Everyone is clamoring about lack of updates until Friday, but the backer's only update says they will give us daily updates at 4 to 5 pm PST, which, like I said will probably state something along the lines of hey things are not as expected we will change. Though Eric Johns' post says differently...


Also, how hard is it for a backer to copy and paste as you did?

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Buzzsaw, my answer to you would be Risk. With the KD kickstarter I'm taking more of a risk with my money then I am with Wyrd's kickstarter.

An excellent point, and one well worth considering. That said, in all honesty, I don't regard Kingdom Death as a sufficiently new company that worry constrains my purchases. An evaluation that is entirely individual, of course.

By contrast, I would look at a company like JunkRobot, for example. I'm throwing a bit of cash their way, but I freely recognize that they are a far riskier investment then either KD or Wyrd.

That said, I don't think that Poots has consciously included a risk discount. His reputation precedes him, after all.

While KD might not be a risk in that they won't disappear with their money. I still view it as a risk as its a small operation, that's only shipped out 5,000 orders over three years. It's very easy for these small operations to become buried under their own sucess and either have horrible delays, shoddy work or not properly estimating costs.


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Also when comparing KD with some of the CMoN kickstarters its not that great of a deal...

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:
So when you say "I don't know why the deal is so much "better" than Wyrd's", do you mean you honestly can't understand how Poots is able to offer such a tremendous value while Wyrd seemingly cannot, or that you honestly do not see the divergence in value between those two product offerings?

I ask sincerly, since without knowing which it is I cannot see how I can meaningfully reply.

I don't know how Poots is able to offer such a tremendous value while Wyrd can't. Though like I said, he is offering a board game while wyrd is offering a role playing game, which are two different products

Ah, glad I asked, since I was thinking you meant the other. In a way, I think it correlates with what Catyrpelius mentions: for Kingdom Death, a company that is very well regarded, but in a very, very small niche (since until now the lowest priced mini they produced was $25 a pop). They were a collector's collectable, not mass market, so they needed to front-load the deal.

I think honestly what is happening is that Wyrd knows they are going to do well, so they are probably back loading things: that is, at the end of the campaign for both KD and Wyrd, anyone will look at the offerings and say "yeah, that's a good deal". It's just a question of when it hits that critical mass.

Listen, ultimately, I'm sure this will be a good deal (enough so that I'm hedging my bets by reserving an early pledge to hold a Miss T.), but it's been my experience that kickstarters have 2 main phases of explosive growth: the first day or so, when everyone that was absolutely in love with the project and knew beforehand about it pledges, and the last 2 days or so, where the people that are on the fence look at the bargain and decide to take the plunge.

Frontloading the pledge can increase the initial rush, and puts a lot of stretch goals into the pot for the long, slow portion in the middle of the pledge period (which for both these projects will be the holiday season).

It looks to me like Wyrd is planning on a longer, slower burn. Which... honestly, to me doesn't seem like a good idea. Especially with the holiday break and constraints on cash in the next month.

Meh, who knows?

Alfndrate wrote:Sorry, I was talking about the backer's only update you quoted on page 3 . Everyone is clamoring about lack of updates until Friday, but the backer's only update says they will give us daily updates at 4 to 5 pm PST, which, like I said will probably state something along the lines of hey things are not as expected we will change. Though Eric Johns' post says differently...

No worries. Like I said, it's a strange thing (you might even way weird... ) that they are going to be 100%, 150% past their funding goal, and no stretch goals posted. Again, I think they are backloading. No doubt there is a strategy we simply aren't seeing.

The only thing that really gives pause is that line on the kickstarter page about "Rather than bury you under a pile of cloth maps and t-shirts, we've decided to take a new approach"... that's rather oblique, especially as they include a creepy dolly in their large size pledge level.

Alfndrate wrote:Also, how hard is it for a backer to copy and paste as you did?

I'm not sure what you mean: copy from the kickstarter page? I would think anyone that can see the updates can copy them... Can't you?

I wasn't able to last night, or else I would have

A thing that occurred to me while talking about this kickstarter and the early pledge is this:

Offer Miss Terious for a limited time? Why hurt your late adopters, or those that want in once the KS hits that sweet spot... It doesn't make much sense to not show the stretch goals until after she goes away, unless Miss Terious is going to be a free include once the KS hits x dollars, and the early pledgers get 2... idk though... it still doesn't make much sense.

Well if a PDF shows up (at a sensible price) as a unique pledge I'll come back (I can see why you wouldn't want to give a free mini with that)

If it just shows up and an extra with your print copy, no thanks

 Alfndrate wrote:
I wasn't able to last night, or else I would have

Really? You could see the update but couldn't copy it? I got nothing, I have no idea how that could happen. Are you using Chrome, Firefox...? That's the only thing I can think of as causing that. I'm using Firefox, if that's any use.

 Alfndrate wrote:
I wasn't able to last night, or else I would have

A thing that occurred to me while talking about this kickstarter and the early pledge is this:

Offer Miss Terious for a limited time? Why hurt your late adopters, or those that want in once the KS hits that sweet spot... It doesn't make much sense to not show the stretch goals until after she goes away, unless Miss Terious is going to be a free include once the KS hits x dollars, and the early pledgers get 2... idk though... it still doesn't make much sense.

If this is the case it would make me fairly angry.

I find it kind of funny that instead of selling the game system on its own merits, their instead using limited edition kits for one of their other games to get people to buy in. This makes me wonder about the actual quality of the system.

If by the end of this campaign they don't reveal more about the rule set, I might have to suggest to those following me that this campaing be dropped.

Caty, I have heard some super secret information involving a fairly famous Malifaux Podcast, idk what will come of it, but it will be RPG related...

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I wasn't able to last night, or else I would have

Really? You could see the update but couldn't copy it? I got nothing, I have no idea how that could happen. Are you using Chrome, Firefox...? That's the only thing I can think of as causing that. I'm using Firefox, if that's any use.

I was on my phone, I backed the KS, and was following dakka on my phone, but copying text is a pain on my phone that I try to avoid.

the next update I should be able to handle without issue... if I miss one (like if they do any over this weekend, I'll hope someone can copy it).

 Alfndrate wrote:
Caty, I have heard some super secret information involving a fairly famous Malifaux Podcast, idk what will come of it, but it will be RPG related...

If it was on the Henchman forum I suppose I'll find out about it when I get home later.

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Caty, I have heard some super secret information involving a fairly famous Malifaux Podcast, idk what will come of it, but it will be RPG related...

If it was on the Henchman forum I suppose I'll find out about it when I get home later.

Nope lol, the Henchman forums have been pretty quiet the past few weeks... I got a PM from an OTL person when I asked if someone wanted to be on my Malifaux Cake team...

Gotcha, I wasn't even aware that Malifaux had it's owned or largely its own podcast That being said, and I meen no offense when I say this, but I'd rather hear a review of the rules from someone not invested in either the company or their other game systems.

I know who the go to podcasts for boardgames and minature games are, but is their even one for RPG's?

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Gotcha, I wasn't even aware that Malifaux had it's owned or largely its own podcast That being said, and I meen no offense when I say this, but I'd rather hear a review of the rules from someone not invested in either the company or their other game systems.

I know who the go to podcasts for boardgames and minature games are, but is their even one for RPG's?

I used to listen to Penny Arcade - DnD podcast for the comedy, and then I did listen to the Wizards of the Coast Podcast for a bit...

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Gotcha, I wasn't even aware that Malifaux had it's owned or largely its own podcast That being said, and I meen no offense when I say this, but I'd rather hear a review of the rules from someone not invested in either the company or their other game systems.

I know who the go to podcasts for boardgames and minature games are, but is their even one for RPG's?

I don't really listen to podcasts (just not my thing), but '2GMs, 1Mic' has been good to talk to.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Gotcha, I wasn't even aware that Malifaux had it's owned or largely its own podcast That being said, and I meen no offense when I say this, but I'd rather hear a review of the rules from someone not invested in either the company or their other game systems.

I know who the go to podcasts for boardgames and minature games are, but is their even one for RPG's?

I don't really listen to podcasts (just not my thing), but '2GMs, 1Mic' has been good to talk to.

I'll have to look into them.

It just bother's me alittle when a company doesn't either post their rules, a rules overview or a cheap quick way for me to get the rules on their kickstarter...

 Alfndrate wrote:
No, I think that they know where they're going, but I think they're trying to cross the Atlantic in a row boat at night, with a blind navigator.

Which, and correct me if I'm wrong, would be an indicator of poor planning.

Lots of unwarranted justifications here. The fact remains that their pledge levels don't make a ton of sense and certainly have limited appeal to the malifaux player that isn't a huge RPGer.

I still think the books and the two exclusive products people actually give a crap about need to be bundled as their "sweet spot" package. Is anyone on here really excited for that burlap sack doll? Really?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
No, I think that they know where they're going, but I think they're trying to cross the Atlantic in a row boat at night, with a blind navigator.

Which, and correct me if I'm wrong, would be an indicator of poor planning.

I believe that I also said that they dropped the ball on several occasions with this kickstarter...

Lots of unwarranted justifications here. The fact remains that their pledge levels don't make a ton of sense and certainly have limited appeal to the malifaux player that isn't a huge RPGer.

How does the Living Room Gamer or the Core set pledge levels not make sense?

I still think the books and the two exclusive products people actually give a crap about need to be bundled as their "sweet spot" package. Is anyone on here really excited for that burlap sack doll? Really?

This I agree with, the doll is kinda cool, but it's not what I want.

Maybe "don't make sense" was the wrong phrasing. I'll just say it bluntly: splitting up th exclusive products and only offering them together at your highest pledge amount seems to me a shady money-grab.