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 pretre wrote:
Attack Force Contents - Mar 2014
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
-CODEX: CRIMSON SLAUGHTER (ENGLISH): 39 euros
-CHAOS SPACE MARINE HELBRUTE: 43 euros
-CHAOS SPACE MARINE ATTACK FORCE: 160 euros with:
1 CHAOS RHINO
1 CHAOS TERMINATOR
5 CHAOS SPACE MARINE RAPTORS
1CHAOS SPACE MARINE FORGEFIEND
10 CHAOS SPACE MARINE

Only 1 terminator?

Yeah, I thought that was weird. Maybe it's the Chaos Lord in TDA.

I hope something is a typo in that attack force, or for 160 Euros, which is like $220 it has:

10x Marines
1x Terminator (Lord?)
1x Rhino
5x Raptors
1x Forgefiend

So hooray over $200 for not even a legit army that's barely a Battleforce.

The SM Strike Force was like the same and had something like 20x Marines (two Tac Squads), 5 Scouts, 5 Assault troops, a Command Squad, a Razorback, a Captain, a Dreadnought and a Drop Pod - not the best options but at least it was a fully legal "army in a box" and a good starting point for a newb.

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, I thought that was weird. Maybe it's the Chaos Lord in TDA.

Still seems lacking even with Lord in TDA.

Great... the "meat-tube" marines is here to stay. Notice how the first helbrute have thousand sons markings and colours? All current fluff right down the drain.
Probably need to finish my 1ksons quick.

Looks like it'll be the TDA lord rather than just a single normal termi. Though pricing it up in £ (using the price list posted previously) it comes to £124 (~140 euros) which suggests that there's something else missing to take it to that price point. Though whether that's extra models or higher price increases for Europe is anyone's guess until we see box art.

Kind of odd codex release. Will it be, in essence, Codex Khrone Marines? I hope there will be ways to add different gods in there, but I'm not counting on it.

There's probably a Defiler in there too. There's always a Defiler.

Will they actually be a Chaos Renegades army though? Or will they throw away their Razorbacks, Land Speeders, Chibi-Hawks and Centurions as well as their love for the Emperor?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Will they actually be a Chaos Renegades army though? Or will they throw away their Razorbacks, Land Speeders, Chibi-Hawks and Centurions as well as their love for the Emperor?

What's weird is the fluff seems inconsistent. Lexicanum states that they went into the EoT to avoid killing more innocent Imperial citizens, so either they really aren't "bad" guys in the sense of other Chaos guys, or at some point they went from being "Let's hide out here so we don't murder more people" to "Hehehehe let's KILL ALL THE THINGS". What's also interesting is that according to canon, Krannon is dead because he was killed by the Dark Angels Master in the novel. So it will be interesting to see how the Codex handles that, if at all.

A post-Heresy renegade codex would be interesting.

But isn't that just the normal Chaos Marine codex? I'm all for more chaos stuff (come on Noise Terminators!!) but i think it was stated earlier in this thread, wouldn't Codex: Red Corsairs be better in representing post heresy renegades?

Yes Lord Blackfang, they have to get rid of them somehow!!

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Only 1 terminator?

Natfka updated the list:

Please note that the source has clarified that there was an error in what was said, and we have corrected it.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
-CODEX: CRIMSON SLAUGHTER (ENGLISH): 39 euros
-CHAOS SPACE MARINE HELBRUTE: 43 euros
-CHAOS SPACE MARINE ATTACK FORCE: 160 euros with:
1 CHAOS RHINO
1 CHAOS TERMINATOR LORD
5 CHAOS SPACE MARINE RAPTORS
1 CHAOS SPACE MARINE FORGEFIEND
10 CHAOS SPACE MARINE
5 CHAOS TERMINATORS

He also posted the list with North American prices, repackages in red:

That still seems pretty crappy for an "Attack Force" since it's not even a fully legal army, but maybe it's assumed that you have Dark Vengeance?

still lacking in troops department but makes sense now.

WayneTheGame wrote:
What's weird is the fluff seems inconsistent. Lexicanum states that they went into the EoT to avoid killing more innocent Imperial citizens, so either they really aren't "bad" guys in the sense of other Chaos guys, or at some point they went from being "Let's hide out here so we don't murder more people" to "Hehehehe let's KILL ALL THE THINGS".

Some point being while they were in the Eye of Terror. Chaos does tend to corrupt people.

WayneTheGame wrote:
What's also interesting is that according to canon, Krannon is dead because he was killed by the Dark Angels Master in the novel. So it will be interesting to see how the Codex handles that, if at all.

Actually Kranon survived in the novella. The Librarian foresees Kranon's death eventually, but we know prophecy is hardly spot on all the time.

Animus wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
What's weird is the fluff seems inconsistent. Lexicanum states that they went into the EoT to avoid killing more innocent Imperial citizens, so either they really aren't "bad" guys in the sense of other Chaos guys, or at some point they went from being "Let's hide out here so we don't murder more people" to "Hehehehe let's KILL ALL THE THINGS".

Some point being while they were in the Eye of Terror. Chaos does tend to corrupt people.

WayneTheGame wrote:
What's also interesting is that according to canon, Krannon is dead because he was killed by the Dark Angels Master in the novel. So it will be interesting to see how the Codex handles that, if at all.

Actually Kranon survived in the novella. The Librarian foresees Kranon's death eventually, but we know prophecy is hardly spot on all the time.

You sure? Lexicanum said that he was defeated and his head was brought to the DA's barge. Of course like any sort of Wiki article who knows. I might have to check out the novella for myself, it seemed interesting from the free sample.

The background is not that inexplicable,

Chapter gets cursed,

Chapter goes to the Eye of Terror to avoid killing any (more) of the Emperors subjects while killing loads of chaos tainted to make the voices stop

Spending time in the eye of terror is not a good move if you want to stay sane so some of the chapter have gone genuinely bonkers and left the eye while still needing to be all kill-y becoming the Crimson Slaughter

(there could still be some sort of loyal but cursed marines wandering round the eye waiting for their own supplement)

Does kinda make you wonder why, of all the places they could have fled to, they choose the single greatest source of Chaos in the known universe.

"Quick guys! The British think we're Nazi sympathisers! We should run away... I know! Let's go to Berlin!"

I guess they ascribe to the Peregrine Took "the closer we are to danger, the farther we are from harm" methodology.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Does kinda make you wonder why, of all the places they could have fled to, they choose the single greatest source of Chaos in the known universe.

"Quick guys! The British think we're Nazi sympathisers! We should run away... I know! Let's go to Berlin!"

I guess they ascribe to the Peregrine Took "the closer we are to danger, the farther we are from harm" methodology.

Maybe it was because they figured if they had to slaughter people to stop the voices, might as well slaughter evil chaos people and not good wholesome Imperial citizens?

Any reason that GW would be pushing the older models in that range?

If there are no new models, other than the Helbrute, then it must be for the campaign or price changes...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Will they actually be a Chaos Renegades army though? Or will they throw away their Razorbacks, Land Speeders, Chibi-Hawks and Centurions as well as their love for the Emperor?

Well when I moved out, my dad made me leave the appliances at his house.

So I'm going with, yes?





Snark aside, I agree that this is the one single point that always drove me insane with "renegades" in CSM.

You can join the Dark Side, but you can't bring any vehicles with you.

Just the base models of a couple tanks.

There's no room in the ship.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Any reason that GW would be pushing the older models in that range?

If there are no new models, other than the Helbrute, then it must be for the campaign or price changes...

I think most of it got small price hikes like a couple of dollars. No surprise.

So they are charging 50p-£1 more......for a new box.......for a new.....box.....

off

 Forcemajeure wrote:
Great... the "meat-tube" marines is here to stay. Notice how the first helbrute have thousand sons markings and colours? All current fluff right down the drain.
Probably need to finish my 1ksons quick.

Not quite.

#1: The Thousand Sons warbands have been recruiting after the heresy, just like all other legion warbands. It would be impossible to survive on rubrics alone. It might not be a TS marine in there at all...
#2: It's not the marine in the brute that has mutated. His remains are probably in there somewhere while the hull is mutating just as any other tank seem to be able to...


...and so on. I think your Thousand Sons are pretty safe...

 Medium of Death wrote:
If there are no new models, other than the Helbrute, then it must be for the campaign or price changes...

Have a wild guess ... then confirm it by reading the second post of this thread

What a justification for bumping prices up, who the hell wants the box? Are people gonna stick their boxes on their shelf? Preserve them? Everyone stares at them for 5 seconds and then throws it aside or keeps it for priming minatures on.

No one gives a crap about the box, what the hell maaan, what the hell. Did they promise the artist the extra 50p of each one sold if they designed a new cover?

Literally anything to get just that little bit more money out of people, you piss taking greedy heads.

WayneTheGame wrote:
You sure? Lexicanum said that he was defeated and his head was brought to the DA's barge.

Yes, Turmiel, the Librairan, forsees that Balthasar will eventually defeat Kranon and return with his head in an iron box.
But Kranon never actually dies.

 Excessus wrote:
I think your Thousand Sons are pretty safe...

Safe on the shelf.

Having a fleshy Dreadnought is the least of their problems.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
So they are charging 50p-£1 more......for a new box.......for a new.....box.....

Not just any box, but a Citadel™ FineBox™, the most revolutionary thing to happen to boxes since the invention of cardboard. Truly GW are the maker of the finest boxes on earth.


In all honesty though, a 50p-£1 increase is hardly a big deal (assuming CSM are still 10 per box). That's 'inflation level increase', rather than the typical GW tack 15%-50% because LOLidunno!

Animus wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
You sure? Lexicanum said that he was defeated and his head was brought to the DA's barge.

Yes, Turmiel, the Librairan, forsees that Balthasar will eventually defeat Kranon and return with his head in an iron box.
But Kranon never actually dies.

I see, awesome I need to check out the novella I think.