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 lord_blackfang wrote:

PapaSoul wrote:
That new Ork Painboy is a CaD model. And that thing is hideous

Every plastic GW model released in the last 10 years is a CAD model.

I thought GW only started using CAD in about 2007.

I suspect that the Perrys were contracted specifically for the Hobbit models because Peter Jackson is a massive fan of theirs. Given the lead time to sculpt miniatures it could simply be that their contract is now finished.

 sing your life wrote:
The plastic Chatachan miniatures literally look like they've replaced all their food with steroids.

They look like they've replaced their bodies with stockings filled with melons. But these jokes just go to show how ridiculous these outliers really are. Good thing the Perry Twins would never design anything that hideous...

 Azazelx wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
The plastic Chatachan miniatures literally look like they've replaced all their food with steroids.

They look like they've replaced their bodies with stockings filled with melons. But these jokes just go to show how ridiculous these outliers really are. Good thing the Perry Twins would never design anything that hideous...

Who even did the plastic catachan set?

Bloodwin wrote:
I suspect that the Perrys were contracted specifically for the Hobbit models because Peter Jackson is a massive fan of theirs. Given the lead time to sculpt miniatures it could simply be that their contract is now finished.

That is a good shout actually, I know Alan and Michael have done other stuff for Jackson.

 sing your life wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

PapaSoul wrote:
That new Ork Painboy is a CaD model. And that thing is hideous

Every plastic GW model released in the last 10 years is a CAD model.

I thought GW only started using CAD in about 2007.

Skaven plague monks and rat ogres in June 2005 were the first computer sculpted miniatures I believe, but it wasn't an overnight flip (pretty sure there was lots of hand sculpted stuff after that).

 sing your life wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
The plastic Chatachan miniatures literally look like they've replaced all their food with steroids.

They look like they've replaced their bodies with stockings filled with melons. But these jokes just go to show how ridiculous these outliers really are. Good thing the Perry Twins would never design anything that hideous...

Who even did the plastic catachan set?

If I remember correctly, one of the twins.

/rimshot

 Azazelx wrote:

While I thought of Warlord as well, there's also Black Tree Designs/Harlequin, Renegade Miniatures, and no doubt others that are just as heroic as any GW model. Even if they're not as tall.

Here's a picture of some BTD/Harlequin Soviets I painted up a while ago as post-apoc neo-soveits. Ignore the not-commisar who is a Demonblade fig that towers over even GW figures, but the VOR Neo-Sov Rad Trooper next to him is pretty comparable to GW dimensions.

They aren't quite as big as Cadians, but the girth and proportions are chunky in a Copplestone, early GW sort of way, especialy the weapons. Definitely chunkier than Perry.

 BrookM wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
The plastic Chatachan miniatures literally look like they've replaced all their food with steroids.

They look like they've replaced their bodies with stockings filled with melons. But these jokes just go to show how ridiculous these outliers really are. Good thing the Perry Twins would never design anything that hideous...

Who even did the plastic catachan set?

If I remember correctly, one of the twins.

Nope. Both.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to equate flaws with character, to a certain extent. Human beings are not perfect. Most people actually find perfection to be somewhat off-putting, because it is unnatural.

Nature is not perfect, it is not symmetrical. The natural world is full of 'flaws' and 'imperfections'. Computer Aided Design is only a tool, and the hand behind the brush, so to speak, matters a great deal.

However, the nature of the medium encourages the hand behind the brush to use methods that inject a great deal more 'perfection' into a piece. This can be incredibly useful, in that a gun will always be exactly the same, and you can save time by not having to sculpt it over and over.

But even real world manufactured items have individual variability. The re-use of materials (and traditional sculptors do this too) can suck a little soul of of a piece precisely because there are fewer 'natural' variations.

Sometimes a person's right arm is longer than their left arm. Two soldiers wearing the same uniform will wear it in subtly different ways (even when following regulations), and it will become distressed in different ways through use.

In short, 'imperfections' can indeed create character by maiking something seem more real and natural, and character is not merely an excuse for imperfections.

 Captain Blood wrote:

Bloodwin wrote:
I suspect that the Perrys were contracted specifically for the Hobbit models because Peter Jackson is a massive fan of theirs. Given the lead time to sculpt miniatures it could simply be that their contract is now finished.

That is a good shout actually, I know Alan and Michael have done other stuff for Jackson.

I suspect this to be the real reason. LotR may be the only reason the Perrys stuck around for so long. With LotR wrapping up, there's no reason for them to stay.

From the Perry Twins' Facebook page:

We are aware that there are rumours flying around that we have left Games Workshop! Thought we should set the record straight and let you all know that…we have! After 36 years, man and boy, working on Warhammer, 40K and of course, for the last 15 years LotR and the Hobbit we are now able to focus our energy on our historical ranges.This means more time to dedicate to Perry Miniatures, and of course Mr Jackson who we continue to make 54mm WW1 figures for. We had an excellent evening on Friday at The Trip to Jerusalem with GW, and ex-GW, colleagues and friends who got us very, very drunk - cheers!

PapaSoul wrote:
That new Ork Painboy is a CaD model. And that thing is hideous

Nagash was hand sculpted and a horrific representation all things wrong with modeling.

What is your point?


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Captain Blood wrote:

Bloodwin wrote:
I suspect that the Perrys were contracted specifically for the Hobbit models because Peter Jackson is a massive fan of theirs. Given the lead time to sculpt miniatures it could simply be that their contract is now finished.

That is a good shout actually, I know Alan and Michael have done other stuff for Jackson.

I suspect this to be the real reason. LotR may be the only reason the Perrys stuck around for so long. With LotR wrapping up, there's no reason for them to stay.

I doubt Peter Jackson had anything to do with the merchandising of LoTR for gaming purposes. Those sorts of merchandising rights are handled at the studio level generally.

 PhillyT wrote:

PapaSoul wrote:
That new Ork Painboy is a CaD model. And that thing is hideous

Nagash was hand sculpted and a horrific representation all things wrong with modeling.

What is your point?


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Captain Blood wrote:

Bloodwin wrote:
I suspect that the Perrys were contracted specifically for the Hobbit models because Peter Jackson is a massive fan of theirs. Given the lead time to sculpt miniatures it could simply be that their contract is now finished.

That is a good shout actually, I know Alan and Michael have done other stuff for Jackson.

I suspect this to be the real reason. LotR may be the only reason the Perrys stuck around for so long. With LotR wrapping up, there's no reason for them to stay.

I doubt Peter Jackson had anything to do with the merchandising of LoTR for gaming purposes. Those sorts of merchandising rights are handled at the studio level generally.

IIRC, the Perrys were extras in one (or more) of the Lord of the Rings films.

 Ghaz wrote:
IIRC, the Perrys were extras in one (or more) of the Lord of the Rings films.

Along with Alessio and another chap from the Studio, they played dead Riders of Rohan.

Sounds like a retirement kind of departure to me.

 BrookM wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
IIRC, the Perrys were extras in one (or more) of the Lord of the Rings films.

Along with Alessio and another chap from the Studio, they played dead Riders of Rohan.

Brian Nelson of Ork/Orc fame if I remember right.

That came about after they all worked on the miniatures I believe.

Glad to see they'll be able to focus on their Men-at-Arms line now, I've been waiting for them to get around to it. Looking forward to see how they turn out, as they'd make great troops for a host of different game systems.

Aren't they mostly already done? I saw some greens for them some time ago, I think it was just a case of finishing them off and putting the things into production.

IIRC the release date for them was pencilled in for this year.

Agree though, they will no doubt be very versatile (and hopefully continue the trend of quality of the other Perry plastics!)

 His Master's Voice wrote:
The Hobbit is dead, so I guess there's nothing for them to do at GW.

Let's hope they can concentrate on their own range of products now. I'd love to see them do the Samurai range in plastic.

I really hope they do so. The WGF plastics are ok but have nothing on the quality of perry stuff.


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 Pacific wrote:
Aren't they mostly already done? I saw some greens for them some time ago, I think it was just a case of finishing them off and putting the things into production.

IIRC the release date for them was pencilled in for this year.

Agree though, they will no doubt be very versatile (and hopefully continue the trend of quality of the other Perry plastics!)

I think its just waiting for rendara now. They are 100% sculpted as far as I am aware.

Its really obvious the sculpts that perry does

if they are somewhat realisticly proportioned and does not look like a fisher price toy, then its likely Perry

ATXMILEY wrote:
Its really obvious the sculpts that perry does

if they are somewhat realisticly proportioned and does not look like a fisher price toy, then its likely Perry

That's entirely up to the aesthetics of the line. Their 40k/Fantasy stuff is as "heroically" proportioned as anyone else's stuff. The LotR and historical stuff they do tends to be closer to realistic proportions since that's the aesthetic of those ranges.

Well there goes the last 2 people in GW who could sculpt human beings.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Well there goes the last 2 people in GW who could sculpt human beings.


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Well there goes the last 2 people in GW who could sculpt human beings.

The plastic sternguard box set wasn't sculpted by the perrys. And the heads in that set are beautiful [IMO]

Does Brian Nelson still work for GW? A Google search isn't pulling up anything conclusive.

 sing your life wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Well there goes the last 2 people in GW who could sculpt human beings.


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Well there goes the last 2 people in GW who could sculpt human beings.

The plastic sternguard box set wasn't sculpted by the perrys. And the heads in that set are beautiful [IMO]

Sculpting a head =/= sculpting a human.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Well there goes the last 2 people in GW who could sculpt human beings.

Jes Goodwin? I know Eldar aren't "human" exactly, but the dude does great work.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Well there goes the last 2 people in GW who could sculpt human beings.

Jes Goodwin? I know Eldar aren't "human" exactly, but the dude does great work.

Yeah, yeah, I was being just a bit faciious. I'm sure they're still plenty of great sculpters there, but I've been a on a big 2nd edition IG and Necromunda kick lately. Dang those models just ooze character.

At least we can thank God they got rid of whoever was responsible for those plastic Catachans

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


At least we can thank God they got rid of whoever was responsible for those plastic Catachans

Every day is upper body day in Catachan land.