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Mymearan wrote:

 e.earnshaw wrote:
And forge world will sue gw for invalidating their whole buisness.
oh and i just seen the post some way above no fw and gw both have factories in england.

Erm they are part of the same company...

Forgeworld sprues come with © Games Workshop Ltd cast into them which you'd think would make it obvious that they were the same company. It's like saying Black Library is not part of Games Workshop.

alphaecho wrote:
Ever since FW started HH I've been tempted to add some 'The Heresy was only yesterday for us' Night Lords to my 40K Chaos Marine army.

There are no Heresy era Night Lords in 40k. They were all killed by Crimson Slaughter renegades in Mk 7 armor so they could steal their autocannons.

Did I forge that right?

Forge world is part of gw, but its like only doing somthing with your left hand fw which is sepecilised. Then learning to do it worse on your stronger right hand gw so now you have this usless left hand fw and cutting it off beacuse its now invalidated.

Thats what will happen to fw if gw realses all their stuff cheaper.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Forge world is part of gw, but its like only doing somthing with your left hand fw which is sepecilised. Then learning to do it worse on your stronger right hand gw so now you have this usless left hand fw and cutting it off beacuse its now invalidated.

Thats what will happen to fw if gw realses all their stuff cheaper.

Which is not what they are doing. GW releasing the basics of a HH army brings down the overall cost of a 30k army, and frees up Forge World to work on legion-specific stuff which you can bet GW won't touch. People buy the bulk of the army from GW, the specialists from FW, and ultimately, GW gets the increased income from both.

 Paradigm wrote:

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Forge world is part of gw, but its like only doing somthing with your left hand fw which is sepecilised. Then learning to do it worse on your stronger right hand gw so now you have this usless left hand fw and cutting it off beacuse its now invalidated.

Thats what will happen to fw if gw realses all their stuff cheaper.

Which is not what they are doing. GW releasing the basics of a HH army brings down the overall cost of a 30k army, and frees up Forge World to work on legion-specific stuff which you can bet GW won't touch. People buy the bulk of the army from GW, the specialists from FW, and ultimately, GW gets the increased income from both.

Not to mention GW main can keep up with demand better allowing them to make it more available by stocking it in stores and having their FLGS partners stock it.

You know, the things FW can't do because of it's small size.

What are they meaning by "standalone" game. Like a space hulk kind of deal?

I'd like to see GW release basic infantry versions of the various Marks, but that would mean GW would have to produce Space Marines without a single purity seal or aquila, and I just don't believe that they're capable of doing that.

 Barzam wrote:
I'd like to see GW release basic infantry versions of the various Marks, but that would mean GW would have to produce Space Marines without a single purity seal or aquila, and I just don't believe that they're capable of doing that.

They just give us Skull Seals and Skullia instead.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
I'd like to see GW release basic infantry versions of the various Marks, but that would mean GW would have to produce Space Marines without a single purity seal or aquila, and I just don't believe that they're capable of doing that.

They just give us Skull Seals and Skullia instead.

They found a way around that already. Modern purity seals are just derivatives of the "oaths of the moment" worn by HH era Astartes.

Kelly502 wrote:
Heck, I'll even use 30K plastics to make my Chaos army, much better in my opinion than the current Chaos Marines!!

That doesn't take much. The current Chaos kits are awful.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
I'd like to see GW release basic infantry versions of the various Marks, but that would mean GW would have to produce Space Marines without a single purity seal or aquila, and I just don't believe that they're capable of doing that.

They just give us Skull Seals and Skullia instead.

They could just include a mini sprue/sprue section of Aquila and seals that you can festoon your dudes with, in case your dudes are a chapter for which that would be appropriate.

Kalashnichris wrote:
What are they meaning by "standalone" game. Like a space hulk kind of deal?

Yes, like Space Hulk although more like the 1995 Necromunda game which plastic miniatures were a bit more posable, had a few individual parts like arms and were on round bases. Space Hulk minis are monopose and not on bases. Hastings also said the box will have limited shelf life but the miniatures will continue to be sold afterwards. The box will be available vor a few months. He described the set, like the upcoming 40k Assassins game, being 'Standalone', which will, as far as he knows, have a different rule system than 40k. This could mean it is compatible with FW's 30k or completely independent. The miniatures will be 28mm heroic scale and they will get released in boxes (of let's say 10) which will contain rules/profiles for the new system and 40k/FW 30k. The latest Steve the Warboss rumors and predictions that were posted two days ago are based on Hastings information the HH game will probably be expanded - for example with Xenos like it used to be in the 6mm Epic when they were releasing the Codex Titanicus rules (featuring Orks and Eldar units).

Warhams-77 wrote:

Kalashnichris wrote:
What are they meaning by "standalone" game. Like a space hulk kind of deal?

Yes, like Space Hulk although more like the 1995 Necromunda game which plastic miniatures were a bit more posable, had a few individual parts like arms and were on round bases. Space Hulk minis are monopose and not on bases. Hastings also said the box will have limited shelf life but the miniatures will continue to be sold afterwards.

Miniatures are not snap fit, but the game(s) in the box(es) is(are) definitely more board-game-ish, played on 2D card-board tiles.

A 40k Assassins standalone game? What deviltry is this you speak of?

First I think I've heard of that. Or is that what started as that Inquisitor standalone game rumor from a while back?

Thanks for chiming in, Panda So, 2D tiles for the new board games? Awesome

Quoting Zion on Warseer

Lords of Wargaming has spoken up about this year:

9th Ed Fantasy, new 40k campaign stater, a couple of one off 40k board games, etc..

Regarding the board games:

Quote Originally Posted by Lords of War Gaming
One will drop April/May and one in November. For now, I can't say.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?404105-2015-40k-releases-according-to-BoLS&p=7385696&viewfull=1#post7385696




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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
A 40k Assassins standalone game? What deviltry is this you speak of?

First I think I've heard of that. Or is that what started as that Inquisitor standalone game rumor from a while back?

Here is a summary The rumor originates from Hastings on Warseer

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303600-rumours-assassins-standalone-boxed-game/

 the_Armyman wrote:
Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

I haven't played 40k really since 6th edition started. 7th was the final nail in the coffin for me ever attempting to build an army and try to keep up with things as I was getting together to game maybe 1-2 times a year for 40k. Just wasn't worth it to keep up with all the rules changes and $80 rulebooks every other year. That said, if they release a HH boxed game, I would buy it in a second. I might even slowly build a small army from there. I'm not going to pay $90 a tactical squad for it, though. I'm also not super fond of working with FW resin these days after being spoiled by the ease of GW plastic. I don't have enough hobby time these days to spend an afternoon scrubbing molding release and filing down mold lines on 20+ marines.

So yeah, I'm just one guy, but I'm sure there are many, many people who would jump at a more accessible entry in HH gaming.

 catharsix wrote:


They could just include a mini sprue/sprue section of Aquila and seals that you can festoon your dudes with, in case your dudes are a chapter for which that would be appropriate.

Wordbearer players would LOVE this!

T

I just had this silly vision of tring to get a pickup game of 40K sorta like how you order a coffee at Starbuck's: "I'd like a triple combat patrol, skim-Forgeworld, bound Escalation with Heresy foam and a shot each of formation and allied Imperial Knights."

Interestingly enough, back when Forge World started doing the Solar Auxilia?

Forge World was adamant that they were not going to do any Imperial Army's basic troops because of the "buy-in cost that would be associated with an Imperial Army force". Things like the Solar Auxilia were still on the table as Forge World considered it more practical to have "elite variations".

I wonder if this might end up being a part of GW's Horus Heresy push as well?

Or maybe the Imperial Militia will look a surprising lot like Cadians or Catachans all of the sudden?

 BrookM wrote:
Or maybe the Imperial Militia will look a surprising lot like Cadians or Catachans all of the sudden?

FFG has made it clear that basic flak armor (which most IG regiments use) looks exactly like that worn by cadians.

Also this is wishlisting but hopefully they make chest and head conversion parts for Imperial Army troops and some special stuff (Ogryns, ratlings etc.)

On a side note when is Imperial Army supposed to appear in the FW books?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interestingly enough, back when Forge World started doing the Solar Auxilia?

Forge World was adamant that they were not going to do any Imperial Army's basic troops because of the "buy-in cost that would be associated with an Imperial Army force". Things like the Solar Auxilia were still on the table as Forge World considered it more practical to have "elite variations".

I wonder if this might end up being a part of GW's Horus Heresy push as well?

If GW put out plastic greatcoat Imperial Army with the option of Shako heads or Bearskin heads...I give in. Take all the monies, GW, just take it and leave me to my shame.

 Starfarer wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

I haven't played 40k really since 6th edition started. 7th was the final nail in the coffin for me ever attempting to build an army and try to keep up with things as I was getting together to game maybe 1-2 times a year for 40k. Just wasn't worth it to keep up with all the rules changes and $80 rulebooks every other year. That said, if they release a HH boxed game, I would buy it in a second. I might even slowly build a small army from there. I'm not going to pay $90 a tactical squad for it, though. I'm also not super fond of working with FW resin these days after being spoiled by the ease of GW plastic. I don't have enough hobby time these days to spend an afternoon scrubbing molding release and filing down mold lines on 20+ marines.

So yeah, I'm just one guy, but I'm sure there are many, many people who would jump at a more accessible entry in HH gaming.

I had some money come my way, so I bought an Invasion Force + a few things. Waiting for the right time and the spare cash to buy more of the stuff I want to round it out. In the meantime, I also would love to do another legion, but the price...

So, yeah, plastic would (theoretically, we know how GW loves their price increases) make that more possible.

Well ive had it all explainex to my by my gw store manager and at first i thought gw would do all heresy stuff in plastic. But genric amour and the legion specfic amour bits being sold in gw would be a good replace ment for lotr and hobbit.

I am loving the current 40k rumours floating around at the moment. It seems like forever since there has been anything remotely interesting come out of GW proper. In fact, I think the release of Space Hulk back in 2009(?) was the last time I got excited about something!

Now with the suggestion of some Ad-Mech and pretty new Marine armour I think that it may have sparked my interest in the whole 40k universe once more. Very exciting stuff!

 BrookM wrote:
Or maybe the Imperial Militia will look a surprising lot like Cadians or Catachans all of the sudden?

Or maybe a new IG style of figure that can be used for both 30K and 40K, perhaps as Yodrin suggests, greatcoat infantry with optional heads for shako, bearskin and Valhallens. Plenty of possibilities for greatcoat infantry.

T

Honestly?

I think people would do better to look at the Solar Auxilia and the Scions to get an idea as to what GW might consider for Imperial Army.

I would absolutely love if gw came out with their own plastic hh sets, i have been scratching around for alternatives to fw for ages now. unfortunately i don't think gw will go ahead with it as they will probably just cop out. i hope they do go ahead and if so i will be buying stacks of them primarily for armour swapping as i am frustrated with the lack of variation in the tactical squad box

timd wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Or maybe the Imperial Militia will look a surprising lot like Cadians or Catachans all of the sudden?

Or maybe a new IG style of figure that can be used for both 30K and 40K, perhaps as Yodrin suggests, greatcoat infantry with optional heads for shako, bearskin and Valhallens. Plenty of possibilities for greatcoat infantry.

T

Oh man, are we speculating that GW might make Heresy era Guard in greatcoats? Why don't we suggest also that they'll be flown into battle on a plastic Thunderhawk along with their allies, the fabled plastic Sisters of Battle.

Leers just have a wish-list buffet here!

-C6

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interestingly enough, back when Forge World started doing the Solar Auxilia?

Forge World was adamant that they were not going to do any Imperial Army's basic troops because of the "buy-in cost that would be associated with an Imperial Army force". Things like the Solar Auxilia were still on the table as Forge World considered it more practical to have "elite variations".

Doesn't really seem to make much sense, considering they already produce two lines of ridiculously expensive Imperial Guard, unless the sales of those lines hasn't performed up to expectation I guess.