New Kharn the Betrayer Pricing

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**Elbows**

jah-joshua wrote:
Elbows wrote:
I compare them solely to other products I purchase. Some of the best miniatures I've ever purchased have been extremely reasonably priced. I can have just as much art in a miniature from a company who sells them for far less.

I've defended several GW products from a value perspective, but single figures on plastic sprues is not one of them. The material is irrelevant to me (except resin, that's a horrible material for gaming miniatures). I love metal figures as much as plastic.

I've splurged myself on the rare figure I'll spend $10-15 on (normally out of print metals from 2nd edition). I've just as good figures for $3.50 a pop though from other manufacturers for other periods (some of the best minis I've ever received from a manufacturer actually).

It's funny you mention Knight Models as they're at the top of my list for overpriced crap too. That's a discussion for another topic I'm sure.

that's fair enough, and at least explains your perspective a bit, rather than just being dismissive of mine
as long as you understand that i am not arguing that cheaper models aren't art, and even easier on the wallet...
my point has always been, as long as i like a sculpt enough, i don't sweat the price too much...
there are plenty of $10-$15 minis in my collection that i really like, and just as many expensive minis i would never buy...

the major difference between us seems to be that you are a gamer, and i am a collector...
you are looking at minis as part of an entire army, warband, or gang that you would have to buy, which can add up quickly...
then they have to survive use on the tabletop...
i'm just buying single minis to paint, enter in a competition, and then sell...
it's a completely different investment...

just like the new Ulrik, new Iron Priest, new Enginseer, new Solitaire, and new Shadowseer, i like Kharn more than the original metal versions enough to buy the plastic clampacks...
others, like the new plastic Necron Overlord, i don't like better than the previous metal one, so i passed on him...
it all depends on the particular model, not so much the price or material, except for Finecast or restic...
i don't like Finecast or restic, and stay away from it at any price...
i also prefer the heroic scale chunkiness of a GW mini over true scale delicacy of Wyrd, for instance...
at the end of the day, all that matters is that your purchases make you happy...

cheers
jah

Yep, those are two totally different approaches. I can see it being far easier if you're also selling off painted versions (wherein the initial cost can be passed onto the purchaser, as it should be). My biggest concern is not GW greed actually, but rather I used to like the company and I'd like to see them make logical, sound, business decisions which will see them continue on. Things like this smack of pride and ignoring the market and I simply view it as a very bad business decision in the long run. I don't think anyone here wants GW to tank, and they frequently take large strides in that direction. Counterpoint to my own concern is that GW has made more good decisions in the past year and a half than I've seen in the last 5-10 years.

**TheCustomLime**

CadianGateTroll wrote:
Ashiraya wrote:
CadianGateTroll wrote:
GW is very smart and wise with their pricing because people will pay that price.

'It is a great idea to sell five models for $50. Who cares that we would have sold five thousand for $10. Our models are selling! We are smart and wise.'

Clearly you have the right of it. How could this plan possibly go wrong?

Nevermind that the volume of sales is declining. Clearly that is just what the haters are saying, right?

you mad bro?

GW has been charging ridiculous high prices but that doesnt matter because fanboys (possibly you included) will gladly pull out their wallets and pay GW with a big wide grin as if they got a bargain.

People still unironically say "u mad bro"? Wow, color me impressed.

As for the body of your argument it is becoming less true year by year. You can only milk a cash cow so much before it goes dry.

**master of ordinance**

£22 over here for one. Single. Model.
I dont mind the ancient one too bad, and I think it is time to dig my old one out.
On a side note, the VSG is finally making a reappearance. Now, will there be ore than eight per store this time?

**lliu**

For the money, let's see. Most basic Daemon and Tyranid troops are about 27.75 CAD. Some more notable characters, such as a Deathwatch Librarian, or Captain Karlean, hit about 30 to 33 CAD. Kill teams and Command Squads, as well Tau troops and Raptors are at the $35 mark, as well as Vostrayans and others. So yes, Khârn is overpriced. But at $35 CAD, he is not a shocking amount, at least, when I first saw his price, I didn't blink an eye. When I started comparing, I saw the differences, but, still, maybe it's just tax and crap.

**Trondheim**

I am glad I have Kharn safe and sound in my collection, and not in need of buying the modle at this time.

**Korinov**

Behold the Age of Rountree and its lower prices.

It's not a model I'm interested in, so I couldn't care less. It's made me smile however, as my HiTech winged daemon prince costed me less even with shipping included.

GW customers deserve every bit of outrageous pricing they get.

**Selym**

Korinov wrote:
Behold the Age of Rountree and its lower prices.

It's not a model I'm interested in, so I couldn't care less. It's made me smile however, as my HiTech winged daemon prince costed me less even with shipping included.

GW customers deserve every bit of outrageous pricing they get.

What did customers ever do to you?

**Baragash**

As much as Kharn has a massive, massive nostalgia draw for me, I'm not paying £22 for a GW plastic model when I can get resin models for significantly cheaper. It's just not happening.

**lliu**

HiTech does have a lot of really cool stuff. I bought most of there Primarchs.

**455_PWR**

If anyone is in central wisconsin, ive got good news for you. I cancelled my preorder kharn as my flgs had him new in box for $17!!!

I felt bad, wanted to be honest, and told them he should sell for far more than the blister minis. They answered that he is cheaper than the blisters... so I guess they are set on their price. Needless to say I snapped the last one off their shelf for $17. They should be getting more soon, I guess we will see if their pricing mistake continues.

**TheLumberJack**

Selym wrote:
Korinov wrote:
Behold the Age of Rountree and its lower prices.

It's not a model I'm interested in, so I couldn't care less. It's made me smile however, as my HiTech winged daemon prince costed me less even with shipping included.

GW customers deserve every bit of outrageous pricing they get.
What did customers ever do to you?

Apparently by liking 40k we caused him intense anguish

**lliu**

TheLumberJack wrote:
Selym wrote:
Korinov wrote:
Behold the Age of Rountree and its lower prices.

It's not a model I'm interested in, so I couldn't care less. It's made me smile however, as my HiTech winged daemon prince costed me less even with shipping included.

GW customers deserve every bit of outrageous pricing they get.
What did customers ever do to you?

Apparently by liking 40k we caused him intense anguish

Lol

**King Pariah**

Went ahead and looked up some currency exchange values.

So Kharn is $35 here in the US

35 US dollars = 46.07 Canadian Dollars
35 US dollars = 26.85 Pound Sterling
35 US dollars = 46.47 Australian Dollars
35 US dollars = 47.96 New Zealand Dollars

Kharn is 43 Canadian Dollars... You technically are better off than the US here

And hot damn does GW hate New Zealand and Australia.

**CadianGateTroll**

TheCustomLime wrote:
CadianGateTroll wrote:
Ashiraya wrote:
CadianGateTroll wrote:
GW is very smart and wise with their pricing because people will pay that price.

'It is a great idea to sell five models for $50. Who cares that we would have sold five thousand for $10. Our models are selling! We are smart and wise.'

Clearly you have the right of it. How could this plan possibly go wrong?

Nevermind that the volume of sales is declining. Clearly that is just what the haters are saying, right?

you mad bro?

GW has been charging ridiculous high prices but that doesnt matter because fanboys (possibly you included) will gladly pull out their wallets and pay GW with a big wide grin as if they got a bargain.

People still unironically say "u mad bro"? Wow, color me impressed.

As for the body of your argument it is becoming less true year by year. You can only milk a cash cow so much before it goes dry.

If you are still buying from them then they are milking your utters with cold hands.

Spoiler:

GW be like, "My milkshakes brings all the boys to the yard, thats right! I can teach you but I have to charge."

**MechaEmperor7000**

King Pariah wrote:
Went ahead and looked up some currency exchange values.

So Kharn is $35 here in the US

35 US dollars = 46.07 Canadian Dollars
35 US dollars = 26.85 Pound Sterling
35 US dollars = 46.47 Australian Dollars
35 US dollars = 47.96 New Zealand Dollars

Kharn is 43 Canadian Dollars... You technically are better off than the US here

And hot damn does GW hate New Zealand and Australia.

I don't know if I should be happy we finally got a set that's actually cheaper north of the border or be sad because our dollar has tanked so much that this is actually possible.

Feelings. They are much conflicted.

**ChaosxVoid**

australia is like literally the other side of the world from GW HQ, flying takes forever so shipping cant be easy to ship there without some sort if tax...

**EnTyme**

It kills me how people still use exchange rates to compare pricing without accounting for import taxes, freight, etc.

**Matt.Kingsley**

People have and it's still insane for us here in Oz and NZ.

**hobojebus**

Yeah nz prices are way over what they should be given taxes and duties, they got further screwed when GW stopped them buying from UK sellers.

**aka_mythos**

The price for Kharn is pretty ridiculous. I have no doubt GW looked at FW and what they could sell character models and said "so can we" without any regard to the differences in quality or audience.

**Binabik15**

I don't get how they can release Khârn at that price and four Khorne dudes on 40 mm bases in a greatly reduced bundle the very same month for a bit more than 50% more o.O

I know it's 40k vs AoS and a special char Marine vs some random dudes, but certainly they created Gorechosen because the models didn't sell that well on their own at their original price point?

**wuestenfux**

Binabik15 wrote:
I don't get how they can release Khârn at that price and four Khorne dudes on 40 mm bases in a greatly reduced bundle the very same month for a bit more than 50% more o.O

I know it's 40k vs AoS and a special char Marine vs some random dudes, but certainly they created Gorechosen because the models didn't sell that well on their own at their original price point?

Well, I think they want to push board games for 40k/AoS atm. Regular 40k/AoS players seem to ignore those ''bundles'' but its part of the daily business of GW.