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Percentage is not happening.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Percentage is not happening.

This just in! Larry Vela is probably just guessing. Also, the sun rises in the east tomorrow.

But numbers, i love numbers and we need more numbers in 40k

Percentages are happening but you must roll a D6 for each FOC slot and consult the percentages chart at the start of every game to determine what the maximum percentage for that slot is going to be.

This will help with forging the narrative by potentially making portions of the models you brought with you unusable. This is Great News!

 pretre wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Percentage is not happening.

This just in! Larry Vela is probably just guessing. Also, the sun rises in the east tomorrow.

Wouldn't surprise me. Percentages didn't do well for WFB, I can't imagine the damage they'd do to 40k's player base.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Seeing as % went over like an airplane made out of bricks for WFB due to the massive amounts of models people need to play a game anymore, I just can't see GW doing the same for 40k. I honestly expect WFB to go more FOC based instead.

There's your motivation to move to a % based game right there. It caused players to need a massive amount of models to play the game!

That's increased sales, brother.

That only makes sense to those at the top, because they have no idea that they've reached maximum market saturation levels and pricing potentials.

Edit: hasn't the FOC pretty much become an irrelevant joke anyway? Try explaining it to someone that hasn't been immersed in the game for years.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
But numbers, i love numbers and we need more numbers in 40k

We need more random rolls. You need to have 25% of your army in a block that can be swapped out with sideboards. You roll a D3 to find out which side board you take. This allows us to better forge a narrative and and gives the player more rolling. In addition each turn will have a D weapon rolling a double scatter of 3d6 (roll for scatter, the roll for scatter again) from the center of the board and always scatters. This is for the orbital bombardment, meteor strikes, or warp infused lightning hitting the battlefield of the grim dark future.

 Idolator wrote:
Edit: hasn't the FOC pretty much become an irrelevant joke anyway? Try explaining it to someone that hasn't been immersed in the game for years.

For certain armies more than others, but yes. Look at Tyranid armies. Minimal FoC choices and then full up on (Skyblight) formations.

 streamdragon wrote:

 Idolator wrote:
Edit: hasn't the FOC pretty much become an irrelevant joke anyway? Try explaining it to someone that hasn't been immersed in the game for years.

For certain armies more than others, but yes. Look at Tyranid armies. Minimal FoC choices and then full up on (Skyblight) formations.

FOC is a joke no matter what army you want to bring.

Your FOC for your primary is the usual. But you now have allies. And formations (which are FOC free and can be the same army as your primary or ally, if you so desire). As well as dataslates for characters, which you can take for free. And Inquisition, Fire Support Cadres, second primary detachments at 2k+, fortifications, lords of war....


Yeah, FOC is a joke.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Percentage is not happening.

I hope you're right. Tracking spending on each unit type would be awful. Easy solution is to scale the FOC by points level, for elites/fast/heavy make it 0-1 for 0-1,000 points, 0-2 up to 2,000, 0-3 beyond that.

Eliminates spam at low points costs, maintains the function of FOC.

I just looked over on a different site (the one that will leave a ringing in your soul).

Right on their front page in a posted article was a certain rumor monger's predictions based on his mysterious source from Memphis. Land of the Delta Blues and magical knowledge of table top gaming.

Honestly, why is there no vetting? That clap trap didn't make it past two further posting in this exact thread!

 ClockworkZion wrote:
More from Lords of War on Facebook:

Lords of War wrote:A new Realm of Battle board will be released with 7th edition. This board will have a "40k/City" theme and will be 6' x 4' with a travel bag like the current Realm of Battle Board.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh I could totally get in to that.

 Idolator wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Seeing as % went over like an airplane made out of bricks for WFB due to the massive amounts of models people need to play a game anymore, I just can't see GW doing the same for 40k. I honestly expect WFB to go more FOC based instead.

There's your motivation to move to a % based game right there. It caused players to need a massive amount of models to play the game!

That's increased sales, brother.

That only makes sense to those at the top, because they have no idea that they've reached maximum market saturation levels and pricing potentials.

Edit: hasn't the FOC pretty much become an irrelevant joke anyway? Try explaining it to someone that hasn't been immersed in the game for years.

In the long run it killed sales and WFB has lost a lot of players though.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Idolator wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Seeing as % went over like an airplane made out of bricks for WFB due to the massive amounts of models people need to play a game anymore, I just can't see GW doing the same for 40k. I honestly expect WFB to go more FOC based instead.

There's your motivation to move to a % based game right there. It caused players to need a massive amount of models to play the game!

That's increased sales, brother.

That only makes sense to those at the top, because they have no idea that they've reached maximum market saturation levels and pricing potentials.

Edit: hasn't the FOC pretty much become an irrelevant joke anyway? Try explaining it to someone that hasn't been immersed in the game for years.

In the long run it killed sales and WFB has lost a lot of players though.

I've seen nothing since the last half year report that indicates that they care about long term.

 Bull0 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
More from Lords of War on Facebook:

Lords of War wrote:A new Realm of Battle board will be released with 7th edition. This board will have a "40k/City" theme and will be 6' x 4' with a travel bag like the current Realm of Battle Board.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh I could totally get in to that.

He didn't mention whether it is covered in skulls. It's obviously fake

 Idolator wrote:
I just looked over on a different site (the one that will leave a ringing in your soul).

Right on their front page in a posted article was a certain rumor monger's predictions based on his mysterious source from Memphis. Land of the Delta Blues and magical knowledge of table top gaming.

Honestly, why is there no vetting? That clap trap didn't make it past two further posting in this exact thread!

Because BoLS is in it for the clicks.

I shared the info I got about it being 6.5, not 7th in effect there but that never made the blog because it's not exciting enough I guess.


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 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
More from Lords of War on Facebook:

Lords of War wrote:A new Realm of Battle board will be released with 7th edition. This board will have a "40k/City" theme and will be 6' x 4' with a travel bag like the current Realm of Battle Board.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh I could totally get in to that.

He didn't mention whether it is covered in skulls. It's obviously fake

Pft it's MADE of skulls obviously.

It goes without saying that it'll be skull-encrusted. 40k, or "how I stopped worrying and learned to love the skulls"

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
More from Lords of War on Facebook:

Lords of War wrote:A new Realm of Battle board will be released with 7th edition. This board will have a "40k/City" theme and will be 6' x 4' with a travel bag like the current Realm of Battle Board.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh I could totally get in to that.

He didn't mention whether it is covered in skulls. It's obviously fake

... and the roads are paved with dead Imperial Guardsmen... or dead Aqua Magnesium men or whatever they're called.

 Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
More from Lords of War on Facebook:

Lords of War wrote:A new Realm of Battle board will be released with 7th edition. This board will have a "40k/City" theme and will be 6' x 4' with a travel bag like the current Realm of Battle Board.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh I could totally get in to that.

He didn't mention whether it is covered in skulls. It's obviously fake

... and the roads are paved with dead Imperial Guardsmen... or dead Aqua Magnesium men or whatever they're called.

Nah. Dead Sisters. Closest to plastic models they'll get.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Nah. Dead Sisters. Closest to plastic models they'll get.

That's just cruel

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Percentage is not happening.

This just in! Larry Vela is probably just guessing. Also, the sun rises in the east tomorrow.

Wouldn't surprise me. Percentages didn't do well for WFB, I can't imagine the damage they'd do to 40k's player base.

I really don't think it'd do much damage. IMO, the majority of players would really embrace it if they gave it a chance. It wouldn't create balance, but it would be a touch of sanity. However, GW gamers tend to be a very conservative lot overall...they don't like trying something different until GW tells them they have to.

Besides, what went on with WFB involved a lot more than just army list percentages.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Idolator wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Seeing as % went over like an airplane made out of bricks for WFB due to the massive amounts of models people need to play a game anymore, I just can't see GW doing the same for 40k. I honestly expect WFB to go more FOC based instead.

There's your motivation to move to a % based game right there. It caused players to need a massive amount of models to play the game!

That's increased sales, brother.

That only makes sense to those at the top, because they have no idea that they've reached maximum market saturation levels and pricing potentials.

Edit: hasn't the FOC pretty much become an irrelevant joke anyway? Try explaining it to someone that hasn't been immersed in the game for years.

In the long run it killed sales and WFB has lost a lot of players though.

In my group the % system was actully the most well recived part of the current edition of fantasey.

Thow it is true that GW has bassicly priced most people out of fantsey, and is rapidly starting to do so with 40k.

 gorgon wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Percentage is not happening.

This just in! Larry Vela is probably just guessing. Also, the sun rises in the east tomorrow.

Wouldn't surprise me. Percentages didn't do well for WFB, I can't imagine the damage they'd do to 40k's player base.

I really don't think it'd do much damage. IMO, the majority of players would really embrace it if they gave it a chance. It wouldn't create balance, but it would be a touch of sanity. However, GW gamers tend to be a very conservative lot overall...they don't like trying something different until GW tells them they have to.

Besides, what went on with WFB involved a lot more than just army list percentages.

Players quitting because the price to play went way up and to field their cool models they needed a LOT of extra models to play even bigger games.

Oh and the startup cost went through the roof turning away new players.


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 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Nah. Dead Sisters. Closest to plastic models they'll get.

That's just cruel

Which is why it's probably true.

40k Radio wrote:Ok, it seems a nasty rumor is making its way around the interwebs. Many forums are saying 40k 7th is switching over to % based lists. We are here to 100% confirm that is not happening.

We have always told you guys the truth about everything in the past 12 months. Our source has been spot on with everything from release schedules to what each army will have.

So please rest easy knowing that force org will still be in the game.

These are facts, not rumors from your trusted source for insider 40k news, not rumors.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Percentage is not happening.

This just in! Larry Vela is probably just guessing. Also, the sun rises in the east tomorrow.

Wouldn't surprise me. Percentages didn't do well for WFB, I can't imagine the damage they'd do to 40k's player base.

I really don't think it'd do much damage. IMO, the majority of players would really embrace it if they gave it a chance. It wouldn't create balance, but it would be a touch of sanity. However, GW gamers tend to be a very conservative lot overall...they don't like trying something different until GW tells them they have to.

Besides, what went on with WFB involved a lot more than just army list percentages.

Players quitting because the price to play went way up and to field their cool models they needed a LOT of extra models to play even bigger games.

Oh and the startup cost went through the roof turning away new players.

Fantsey has always been a high modle count game. When I started Fantsey in 7th, it was bleeding players. I never got to play as much 8th as I wanted, due to bassicly giveing up the ghost on the player base recovering.

No amount of rule changes are going to stop GW from priceing even more people out of this hobby. lol

Hurray!!

Asked my local GW store about the commissar poster with the date. He said to watch next weeks white dwarf for answers.

 pretre wrote:

40k Radio wrote:Ok, it seems a nasty rumor is making its way around the interwebs. Many forums are saying 40k 7th is switching over to % based lists. We are here to 100% confirm that is not happening.

We have always told you guys the truth about everything in the past 12 months. Our source has been spot on with everything from release schedules to what each army will have.

So please rest easy knowing that force org will still be in the game.

These are facts, not rumors from your trusted source for insider 40k news, not rumors.

Yeay everything will be exactly different yet be the same!

 pretre wrote:

40k Radio wrote:Ok, it seems a nasty rumor is making its way around the interwebs. Many forums are saying 40k 7th is switching over to % based lists. We are here to 100% confirm that is not happening.

We have always told you guys the truth about everything in the past 12 months. Our source has been spot on with everything from release schedules to what each army will have.

So please rest easy knowing that force org will still be in the game.

These are facts, not rumors from your trusted source for insider 40k news, not rumors.

Good time to break radio silence. We can kill this % nonsense now, right?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:

40k Radio wrote:Ok, it seems a nasty rumor is making its way around the interwebs. Many forums are saying 40k 7th is switching over to % based lists. We are here to 100% confirm that is not happening.

We have always told you guys the truth about everything in the past 12 months. Our source has been spot on with everything from release schedules to what each army will have.

So please rest easy knowing that force org will still be in the game.

These are facts, not rumors from your trusted source for insider 40k news, not rumors.

Good time to break radio silence. We can kill this % nonsense now, right?

That's about as good as we can get to confirmed right now, slightly disappointed, but not surprised.

I disagree with you about it hurting Fantasy though, I think you're seeing a correlation without a causation there - WHFB has been the poor relative to 40K since forever, and I suspect that percentages failed to turn that around, rather than made it worse.