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Are the Sanguinary Guard metal then?

johnstewartjohn wrote:Are the Sanguinary Guard metal then?

Even if I won't be buying them, wow, I sure hope not.

With modern plastics technology, there's no excuse for not doing every forthcoming SM unit in plastic with extra bitz.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:So catch me up on all the Death company rumors... here is what I got so far (please correct me):

Unique Elites Choice (That doesn't take an elite slot?)
30-model squad? Sounds iffy, might have been from the viral fandex.
No more rending.
Lemartes as an Upgrade Character.

What kind of options are we looking at? I am going to miss my rending, but with Furious Charge and FnP, they'll still be a fairly decent assault unit. Did I sum up the rumors enough, or are there more to add for the DC?

The 30 man squad and Lemartes tidbits have come from more recent rumours (whether or not they're more reliable is a different matter). The unique elite choice and no more rending are from the fandex I believe.

johnstewartjohn wrote:Are the Sanguinary Guard metal then?

No, it's a plastic set.

Can confirm it's a plastic set. Saw them today! And they come with wings! Plastic wings! They look gorgeous! Granted, it looked like the wings couldn't be put on with the assault jump packs.

Are the wings mechanical or did GW decide to vindicate every person to decided to glue Pegasus wings to the back of their Mephistons?

The Voice described them once as:

The Voice wrote:No, more like one side of a Jump Pack, centred on the back, with 2 large outstretched angelic wings attached on either side of it. The feathers of the wing are stylised, with pointed tips and no detail of the rachis or barbs.

Astorath, by comparison, has an almost identical Jump Pack (sans halo). The attached wings are not outspread, but pulled back with tips in, and have more rounded “feathers”.

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bhsman wrote:Are the wings mechanical or did GW decide to vindicate every person to decided to glue Pegasus wings to the back of their Mephistons?

They're half-and-half is the best way to put it. They have feathers, but the spine along the top of the wing seemed to have a little bit more of a mechanical look to it. I'm going off memory, as I was in the shop earlier today. But I honestly thing you will be vindicated in your choice of pegasus wings. The metal ridge along the top of the wings isn't that big, and the feathers looked like the pegasus wings on mephiston would be a good fit. Remember, mephiston would obviously have better wings than his guards, right?

^^^Do you mean to say that your store had the black box in? Was anyone taking pictures?

Sounds pretty nice, can't wait to see them myself.

Yeah, it had the black box in. I think I was the first to see it, as there was no one else in the store. The manager wouldn't let me take a look at the 'dex, but he let me look at the sprues. Lots of small details, and ALL PLASTIC! Blood Angels iconography in all sorts of cool, intricate details, from the hilts of swords, to loinclothes etc. I'll drop by again and see if I can sneak a few photo's in the next few days~

As awesome as those wings sound I'm slightly more interested in the weapon options. Relic blades/chapter non-specific lightning claws/thunder hammer/(dare I say it) wrist-mounted power armour Storm Bolters...?

To be entirely honest, I was in quite a bit of a rush, so I didn't get to spend as much time as I would have wanted too looking at the sprues, and the manager was working on a sprue as well. But from what I did see, the standard swords, I think I saw a power fist. I make no statements on thunder hammers and lightning claws, because I don't remember seeing that. I'm pretty sure that it was all blood angel specific though. Also, the sprues came with bolters, or bolter/ccw combo. Also had the melta-pistol thing, forgot what it's called.

It's amazing how the first person to see a new sprue or Codex always has a bad memory.

No offense, bsohi

Hopefully it won't be too much effort to remove blood drops. At least it should be easier than trying to take off an entire wolf's head.

You're in for a lot of filing then. Lots of little grails on the end of ropes, blood drop iconography etc!

@blackfang. Lol! Yeah, I guess the excitement of being the first to see it just makes people rush through it all.

Oh! Forgot to add, just hit me now! The blackshirt told me that the points cost for a decently kitted up squad of the guard are 305.

Also, he mentioned an ability where one sargeant in the army is nominated to have +1 to bs, ws and attacks, and all models within 6" of him get +1 attack.

I never got to read this myself, so take with grain of salt!

so came from the GYM and visited the local GW on the way back and they had their black box... in it... the BA codex, Sanguinary Guard, Death Company Sprues... and some metal vet sgt guy...

ok you BA players better save up your money cuz the dex and figs are awesome:

Points of note:

1. The leaked .pdf is not the codex

2. No new figs for Dante, Mephiston, Corbulo, and Tycho...

3. New Special figs for Astorath, Sanguinior, Seth, Lemartes

4. Astorath is a crazy fiend if you want your army to go ape and suffer red thirst on a 3+... he looks like a dark evil angel. with long black hair, black wings, red armor like the Dracula guy from the movie... and a large Axe held overhead 2-handed

5. Sanguinior is a ***pt beast.... WS8 ST5 T4 Atk5 2+save, 3+ invul... 2-handed master crafted power sword of something encarmine, nominate an enemy HQ then you get rerolls with all Sanguinior's Hit and wound rolls towards that guy... he grants powers to one SGT. in the game ie., +1 attack etc., and units within 6' get +1 attack except for him... the BEST NEW MODEL in the range... looks like the living saint on steroids... think Michaelangelo angel with wings out-stretched and soaring to the heavens... and he's held aloft thru parchment... he's got a nice sword in one hand and a grail in the other... he led a 12 man squad to assault a CSM battle barge and fought their way to the bridge and killed the Chaos Lord dude there... was pure nasty...

6. The codex is written by Matthew Ward, same guy who did the Space Marine Dex...

7. Stormraven... ok it's got ar 12 12 10, is a skimmer, twin-assault, twin-Hvy bolter, 4 blood strike missiles... Range 72' Str 8, Ap1, forgot if it was blast, probably was... here's the PAIN.... carries 12 marines... Assault Vehicle... and it CAN carry 1 Dreadnought as well... it can deploy models even if it goes flat out however they suffer dangerous terrain stuff... BAD NEWS... there's no pic of it anywhere in the dex... might be a second wave... but hey it CARRIES A DREAD & 12 Marines!!!! how big will this thing be....

8. The models are gorgeous... omg they had the Sanguinary Guard, pretty much Angel wings assault marines, but the detail is pure OMFG!!! there's tear-drops under the soles of the feet, think the dude Maximus fought in Gladiator with the metal mask and you're not too far off... just pure awesome!!! it's a huge leap from the marines and more even from the space wolves... BLING BLING!!! Also the Death Company can have super weapons, ie. thunderhammers, power weapons, melta pistols... pure awesome kit... all the red X bands are modeled on the figs... even on the handguards... and the Banner that comes with the sanquinary guard is sooooooooooooooo nice! it's the old pic of Sanguinius holding the grail in one hand and sword in the other but in relief...

9. For every 5 Deathcompany you can take 1 furious Dread as a TROOP!!! we counted it up so max 11 dreads... 3 elite librarian ones, 3 Hvy support ones, 5 Troop ones so OMFG... you won't have much else...

10. Hmm, the Baal has the option for a Flamestorm cannon on the turret... ugh...

If your not bsing I love you. If you are bsing we'll know and find you

Oh and I would be on it being 12 marines or 1 dread. Not both together as nothing in the game outside of apoc can do this.

Pretty sure it said and not or... will check on it more soon, but it is indeed an assault vehicle... the fluff behind it is the usual 'shrouded in mystery' stuff with reports of grey knights using them earlier, whether or not that opens the door for them to be used by other chapters is unknown... but having the book in hand for a bit did result in a sudden bloodrush lol, will confirm more rules later

Oh my... the flyer exists. I had convinced myself it was purely the product of the interwebz speculation. If it is in the book, it simply HAS to have a model made for it. Has to. A model that I would buy this very minute if it was so offered to me.

Unfortunately, there's no artwork nor pic of the elusive StormRaven... it was the first thing I looked for in the dex, then the pretty colored pics just took over...

Lol, GW doesn't always cater to what their customers would actually pay for lol

So, the first question going through my mind is ... do I stick stubby wings on my Crusader and say "Ta DA!" or wait till the sweet plastic kit releases? Decisions!

Scarella wrote:Unfortunately, there's no artwork nor pic of the elusive StormRaven... it was the first thing I looked for in the dex, then the pretty colored pics just took over...

Hmm. Doesn't every new Codex have an picture-- even if it's just a drawing-- of every unit? I'm a little suspicious of this.

Is the stormraven a fast skimmer?

Are assualt marines still troops?

JohnHwangDD wrote:With modern plastics technology, there's no excuse for not doing every forthcoming SM unit in plastic with extra bitz.

Except for design, machining, the cost of plastic moulds, inventory, how many people need vs cost price vs profit on money invested.

But yeah, other than those minor things, there's simply no reason to ever release a Marine model in metal ever again. Ever.

New post from The Voice on Warseer in response to bsohi's post here:

The Voice wrote:

bsohi wrote:Granted, it looked like the wings couldn't be put on with the assault jump packs.
This is incorrect. The wings are integral to the jump packs, as I have previously described.

They're half-and-half is the best way to put it. They have feathers, but the spine along the top of the wing seemed to have a little bit more of a mechanical look to it. I'm going off memory, as I was in the shop earlier today. But I honestly thing you will be vindicated in your choice of pegasus wings. The metal ridge along the top of the wings isn't that big, and the feathers looked like the pegasus wings on mephiston would be a good fit. Remember, mephiston would obviously have better wings than his guards, right?
The wings of the Sanguinary Guard are no more detailed than Sanguinor or Astorath. They are in the same position as Astorath’s, with Sanguinor’s more outstretched. The “spine” that looks “mechanical” could be referring to the pipes on the jump pack, which are attached to the wing.

This is The Truth.

bsohi wrote: Lots of small details, and ALL PLASTIC! Blood Angels iconography in all sorts of cool, intricate details, from the hilts of swords, to loinclothes etc.

The Sanguinary Guard only have one loincloth, which is actually attached to one of the torsos.

The Death Company box has two, which I believe someone has already mentioned.

None of these loincloths have Blood Angel specific details on them.

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bsohi wrote: But from what I did see, the standard swords, I think I saw a power fist. I make no statements on thunder hammers and lightning claws, because I don't remember seeing that. I'm pretty sure that it was all blood angel specific though. Also, the sprues came with bolters, or bolter/ccw combo. Also had the melta-pistol thing, forgot what it's called.

If this poster is talking about the Death Company sprue, this is correct. I gave a full listing of the parts some time ago. As I mentioned then, there is a Power Fist and Thunder Hammer on the sprue but no Lightning Claws.

As to the Sanguinary Guard, contents are as follows:

5x legs (look like Dante/Tycho)
5x torso fronts (all muscled, no belts)
5x toros backs
5x winged Jump Packs (5 parts each)
5x left arms with wrist mounted Bolters
1x left arm with wrist mounted Plasma Gun
1x left arm with wrist mounted Melta Gun
3x 2-handed swords
2x 2-handed axes (1 double headed)
15x shoulder pads
1x large standard with winged grail icon on top
Multiple heads of different types such as with haloes and laurels
Other small bits like hands for the left arms

This is The Truth.

Fetterkey wrote:

Scarella wrote:Unfortunately, there's no artwork nor pic of the elusive StormRaven... it was the first thing I looked for in the dex, then the pretty colored pics just took over...

Hmm. Doesn't every new Codex have an picture-- even if it's just a drawing-- of every unit? I'm a little suspicious of this.

yeah we all looked at every pic and artwork for that darn thing but nope... no go...

every rhino variant having fast is true so vindicators with fast are outright scary as are Baal Predators with both fast and scout... yeepers

ALL of their vehicles are fast? I'm raising a HUGE BS flag on this one.

Why would you raise a ballistic skill flag? Or is it a Barbed Strangler flag?