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Yup, staying the heck away from this one.

silent25 wrote:

Sining wrote:
I see they lowballed this so they're pretty much guaranteed to get the 5k in funding. Whether any of the backers will receive their stuff remains to be seen -_-

They will make it and several stretch goals. If the Avatars of War indiegogo was an indicator, people will throw money at a project even when people are telling them directly to not trust the company. Did AoW finally deliver all their stuff? Think the "official" delivery date has come and gone.

Hold it right there!
AoW might be slow and lacking good communication, but they are NOT scamming anyone. NExt week they will have released 3 Dwarf units with 3 heroes. Not as much as they and we hoped, but it's a start.

It seems a bit dodgy to tell people that there is no connection between maelstrom and Mierce when both companies are owned by the same person.

And pledged for a unit of trolls.
Mierce MIniatures had AWESOME customer service, great miniatures and with some of the pledges you get some really nice prices.

I'm going to tentatively pledge as well. We'll see if I maintain.

I have to admit, I'd love to pledge, but Kickstarter, from what I can gather, offers less protection than eBay, PayPal and certainly your credit card company.

Too nervous about this one - staying on the sidelines...

As the KS disclaimer says "Hey yo, we run this gak and we take yo money, but thats it yo!"

 Alpharius wrote:
I have to admit, I'd love to pledge, but Kickstarter, from what I can gather, offers less protection than eBay, PayPal and certainly your credit card company.

Too nervous about this one - staying on the sidelines...

That's my big concern. They're already answering questions on the Forums, so that's....encouraging.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
It seems a bit dodgy to tell people that there is no connection between maelstrom and Mierce when both companies are owned by the same person.

They rather slyly didn't say that there is no connection... just that they are a completely separate legal entity from Maelstrom. Which is true.

Misleading, but true.

Early damage control works best in this case.

 insaniak wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
It seems a bit dodgy to tell people that there is no connection between maelstrom and Mierce when both companies are owned by the same person.

They rather slyly didn't say that there is no connection... just that they are a completely separate legal entity from Maelstrom. Which is true.

Misleading, but true.

I thought the company was created in 2009 not 2012 (though it was dormant), so a little bit of inaccuracy *shrugs*

I was hoping for a skirmish game, not interested in a unit based game as I have KoW and WHF, but I'll keep an eye on the rules out of interest.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I have to admit, I'd love to pledge, but Kickstarter, from what I can gather, offers less protection than eBay, PayPal and certainly your credit card company.

Too nervous about this one - staying on the sidelines...

That's my big concern. They're already answering questions on the Forums, so that's....encouraging.

I guess?

I mean, they can say whatever they want, but certain individuals who apparently still have a say in their company did some things which went directly against what they were saying they'd be doing.

Or something like that!

I know at least a half dozen people who were lost out on not a small amount of money by Maelstrom.

I seriously can not understand the thought processes of people that would back this.

Especially with the "completely separate legal entity" line.

I'm trying to avoid saying any more due to libel laws and stuff...

I warned away a few people from this by pointing them to this thread and letting them make their own decisions. It seemed to be quite effective.

I got a piece of the Maelstorm fire sales, and I got all that I bought from Mierce Miniatures a few months later. They've had excellent customer service in regards to me personally. Because of this I will put in an early pledge. Will it remain? Well, that will depend on the value of the KS in the end.

The quality of the miniatures are ace, and sculpted by the top people in the industry. Because of this alone I want them to succeed.

 Bolognesus wrote:
I especially like the disclaimer at the bottom:

One thing that may concern some people is that Mierce Miniatures is somehow tainted by association with the former owners of our miniatures range, Maelstrom Games. We can assure you that this should not be so. Mierce Miniatures is a completely separate legal entity, existing from March 2012, and purchased the BaneLegions range entirely legally from Maelstrom Games in May of 2012 (rebranding 90% of it as Darklands) - long before Maelstrom Games' troubles began. We are unaffected by any issues regarding Maelstrom Games whatsoever and this Kickstarter project will be fulfilled - as long as we reach our target, of course!

Remember, too, Kickstarter's own words: if you don't like a project, don't back it. There's no need to be a jerk!

In other words:
"We have nothing to do with the jerks who ran the Maelstrom scam. Your money is absolutely safe with us. Signed, Rob Lane."
Good thing, I don't want a complete army showing their balls

When I'd first heard about the possibility of a Bane Legions Kickstarter I thought I'd be all over it. But that was before the Maelstrom incident happened (and I lost out on about £4 of bases). Now it'd have to be a phenomenal deal for me to consider it as there's no way to tell if the management can now be trusted.

grefven wrote:
I got a piece of the Maelstorm fire sales, and I got all that I bought from Mierce Miniatures a few months later. They've had excellent customer service in regards to me personally. Because of this I will put in an early pledge. Will it remain? Well, that will depend on the value of the KS in the end.

The quality of the miniatures are ace, and sculpted by the top people in the industry. Because of this alone I want them to succeed.

This exact thing happend with me. I did not receive the rest of the order from Malestrom.

Listen, the Maelstrom 'incident' sucked. But I knew going in that I may not receive my wares. When I made the order, I took a calculated risk. Was getting the Bane Legions bear dude for like, $10 bucks worth losing that $10 bucks. For me, it was.

There was a gamble involved. I decided I was willing gamble with up to $50 for what amounted to over $300 of merch. I ended up getting a partial order which, while wasn't my full $50, was still worth nearly $200 retail. For about $30 bucks.

Kickstarter is the same. It's a calculated risk. I'm willing to take it for now. But the beauty is that, if I feel differently in 29 days, I can pull my money.

Such a shame about all the Maelstorm mess because some of the minis are quite good.

Would have been nice to see Mierce Miniatures post these KS news on this thread that they created here on Dakka... Maybe it was just a innocent mistake because the last thing these guys need is yet another silence treatment! If they want to regain credibility they need to start doing things differently.

Have we seen Mierce Miniatures on Dakka Dakka since the "Maelstrom Mailing List" debacle though?

I think they got scared off.

... or they are still busy moving the warehouse

RoninXiC wrote:

silent25 wrote:

Sining wrote:
I see they lowballed this so they're pretty much guaranteed to get the 5k in funding. Whether any of the backers will receive their stuff remains to be seen -_-

They will make it and several stretch goals. If the Avatars of War indiegogo was an indicator, people will throw money at a project even when people are telling them directly to not trust the company. Did AoW finally deliver all their stuff? Think the "official" delivery date has come and gone.

Hold it right there!
AoW might be slow and lacking good communication, but they are NOT scamming anyone. NExt week they will have released 3 Dwarf units with 3 heroes. Not as much as they and we hoped, but it's a start.

People still haven't gotten much. Saying you will deliver something in July 2012 and people still don't have it come January 2013 is still a scam. It just doesn't border criminal levels of scamming like Maelstrom has.

Since I trusted my feelings when MG started to act strange (nearly 1-2 years ago), I will not touch this with a ten-feet- pole and only buy their miniatures form stores I can trust.

If it smells like a Phoenix, tastes like a Phoenix and looks like a Phoenix it probably might be a Phoenix.

 BrookM wrote:
Clever girl, setting a low goal like that.

I wonder if the actual purpose of this is to attempt to build up a reliable reputation. It's something they can point to and say 'look we delivered on a promise'.

It's not a bad idea if they want to move forwards (from this point onwards) as a respectable company.

 George Spiggott wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Clever girl, setting a low goal like that.

I wonder if the actual purpose of this is to attempt to build up a reliable reputation. It's something they can point to and say 'look we delivered on a promise'.

It's not a bad idea if they want to move forwards (from this point onwards) as a respectable company.

I'd say that if they want to move forward as a respectable company, they should start by sacking their Managing Director and distancing themselves as far as possible away from him.

Sure - if they actually deliver on that promise.

If they want to be seen as a respectable company then they have to get rid of rob lane. I would love to see the employees buy him out and then get on with producing what is a good quality product. If that was the case then I would wholeheartedly support the company, but while he is still Involved in anyway then i just can't have anything to do with them.

I do love those Taurex. Got some before the Maelstrom fiasco. But I also can't forget the Japanese proverb, “The reputation of a thousand years may be determined by the conduct of one hour.”

Mr. Lane, regardless of the legal technicalities of how he set up Mierce Miniatures, had his one hour.... It'll take a lot to overcome that...

Valete,

JohnS

Well its funded already. Curious to see them stretch goals to say the least