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@god.ra - I'm not doing this because I want to make a fight, I do this because I'm passionate about this game! And if this will end up being a game which is a pale reminder of what once were (or could have been) I don't really care if this will be the permanent incarnation of MC or not.

But I believe I've made my point, and I will sit back and watch what will come and won't say anything until there is anything substantial to say anything about. I will say this, the Razide looks Awesome this far, and the Legionnaires got great potential!

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
@His Master's Voice - I have an RT era SM army (with the original RT miniatures) so yes I do know how they used to look like and yes it have changes slightly (even though the beaky has remained largely the same). However, the design of the basic space marine have not changed much since the 90's and haven't ever been as drastically reinvented as the Cybertronic concepts we've seen this far reinvents the cybertronic aesthetics.

ekhem... slightly changes...
First dreadnought - http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/78365-.html
First terminator - http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/271554-.html?m=2

No man seriuos, i think some changes and own view must be added. Simple clone of 90`s WZ just wont sell.
BTW, some art is great, Bonner is great.



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And I also hope that GW will lose another 10% of market. They are just making fun of their own fans.

@Grand Legion - I was talking about the basic trooper which to me is what makes the army. And I got two RT era Dreadnoughts so yeah I know how they look like..

I don't think silly proportions in either sculpting or equipment size is going to work as well today as it did in the 90s. If everyone wanted the miniatures as they were back then, Prince Augst would be swamped with orders and the game would be back in distribution.

Like it or not, this is going to involve a re-imaging for 2013 rather than just rereleasing of models from 15+ years ago.

I unfortunately sold off my Mishima army, as they were terribad in the first edition, and second edition was as bad as D&D 4.0.

Hope it works out. I'd really like to see something come of it.

Any word on revamping the board games, along with the tabletop?

This is all very interesting, but I hope this time around the plastic miniatures for the game are a kind of plastic that you can glue together with ordinary plastic glue or zap-a-gap. The old ones would only go together with epoxy glue, and that was so messy that I ended up throwing them away. And I hope the rules aren't the old mechanic where you rolled a D20 for each attack separately, because that made for a super slow game. However, from what I've seen so far, it is definitely something I'm going to be following.

I just want to be clear on this, I believe the old minis were mostly horrible even when they were produced! Like Yojimbo who looked like some bizarre bunny armed with a katana and a megaphone hehehe... His art kicked ass though!

 warpcrafter wrote:
And I hope the rules aren't the old mechanic where you rolled a D20 for each attack separately, because that made for a super slow game. However, from what I've seen so far, it is definitely something I'm going to be following.

Dunno how they're going to fix that. It could bog down the game, but it was also kinda integral to how it played out. Guess you can bulk roll D20...

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 warpcrafter wrote:
And I hope the rules aren't the old mechanic where you rolled a D20 for each attack separately, because that made for a super slow game. However, from what I've seen so far, it is definitely something I'm going to be following.

Dunno how they're going to fix that. It could bog down the game, but it was also kinda integral to how it played out. Guess you can bulk roll D20...

Sure you can, but the rules were not really set up for bulk rolling as each mini had to take its actions separately. Now what usually happened is most of the basic troopers in the same squad did the same actions so we would roll those all at once.

warpcrafter wrote:This is all very interesting, but I hope this time around the plastic miniatures for the game are a kind of plastic that you can glue together with ordinary plastic glue or zap-a-gap. The old ones would only go together with epoxy glue, and that was so messy that I ended up throwing them away.

Mine went together just fine with ambroid pro-weld or tamiya plastic cement. Superglue would also work fine if you took the time to cross hatch the connection points.

Looking through my old books, those legionnaires look to be right out of Simon Bisley's stuff. Less rag-tag armour (hell, less armour in general), more gas-masks (of the metal rebreather variety) and bald heads (and TUBES!). Nice to see one of the other iconic artists get represented a bit (Biz's Crenshaw pic was always my favourite piece of Warzone art). I think that's probably why I liked them so much, the echo'd a version of the legionnaire we only tended to see in art.

And honestly, the game is supposed to be small skirmish level, so the individual model activation and D20 rolls were just fine. Being able to activate a model and make him do different things than the rest of the squad was part of the fun of things. It was clunky at large levels, but then, the game was meant for a specific size. Infinity works great for 10-16 minis and caps out at 20. Trying to run a 30-40 model game with it is going to break the system over its knee. Warzone is the same way, but with platoon-level being its ideal range. So I personally hope individual model activation is kept.

Very interested to see how this develops. I can't say I'm excited, because I've learned to lower my expecations to avoid disapointment, but I have a soft spot when it comes to Warzone as it was the 2nd wargame I got involved with after 40k 2nd ed. Still got all the old minis too, so it might be easy to get into the game once the rules are released.

Really should try to keep the bases standard size though. It's going to hurt sales if they come on different sized bases than GW. I know they are trying to make their own game, but that is going to keep people away.

Option nr1

Why would it keep people away?

 Sidstyler wrote:
Why would it keep people away?

Non standard size means that they can not use the minis in other games. Warzone has a track record of bombing, so you have to make it as easy as possible for people to justify spending money, non standard base sizes would be a unnecessary hurdle.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Really should try to keep the bases standard size though. It's going to hurt sales if they come on different sized bases than GW. I know they are trying to make their own game, but that is going to keep people away.

TBH increasingly I've seen new games and minis come out on non-GW style bases.

is that a necromutant? I like it eitherway

I'm really looking forward to this being releases

 Sidstyler wrote:
Why would it keep people away?

Well, I can potentially see it being a minor annoyance for people with existing Warzone collections (even if it is fully legal by the rules, some can be really anal retentive about that kind of thing). But honestly, I actually kind of like Warmachines bevelled bases, so choosing something that isn't like GW's 28mm base isn't a huge deal for me. But I guess we'll wait and see.

And that necromutant looks fantastic.

Well, that Centurion/Necromutant should make c0un7_z3r0 happy. He looks like he was ripped out of a Bonner illustration.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Really should try to keep the bases standard size though. It's going to hurt sales if they come on different sized bases than GW. I know they are trying to make their own game, but that is going to keep people away.

*cough* Privateer Press seems to be doing just fine using 30mm bases. *cough*

If someone really wants to buy new Warzone figs for 40k they will have no problem attaching them to the so-cheap-they're-almost-free 25mm plastic round bases available everywhere.

 judgedoug wrote:
If someone really wants to buy new Warzone figs for 40k they will have no problem attaching them to the so-cheap-they're-almost-free 25mm plastic round bases available everywhere.

Agreed. Its not like 25mm round bases are rare

Go with what you want!

That's fine. But I think we all know lots of people that will poo poo it just because it is on a different base size. Is it really a problem for those that are interested...no not really. But lets not act like most gamers don't like to complain about every little issue. Like I said it's another hurdle on a game that already has a history of failure, I would just try to eliminate as many of those hurdles as I could and make it as friendly as possible to get into. Dreamforge sold lots of stormtroopers because they are great mini, hell there is not even a rule set yet. Why do you think most people bought them, because they know that they can use them as some pretty awesome looking guard models, even if the game ends up bombing.

Did you miss the part where they said that there would be rules for using 25mm bases even though 30mm bases were preferred?

P.S. Everyone I know who bought the Dreamforge storm troopers did it for role playing game figures.

Hello,
Bring back the big tanks!

Regards,
Carl

 solkan wrote:
Did you miss the part where they said that there would be rules for using 25mm bases even though 30mm bases were preferred?

P.S. Everyone I know who bought the Dreamforge storm troopers did it for role playing game figures.

No I didn't miss that. But what if people want to use their new 30mm based warzone minis for 40k! This is my point. I've got a crap load of bases so to me it doesn't matter, but it will to other people.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


Option nr1

I like this, but it looks like if that render was made into a miniature as is, the detail on the face would be super shallow. The armour and equipment has really deep recessess, but the face looks like it's really shallow. Like it'd be hard to paint and pick out all the teeth properly.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 solkan wrote:
Did you miss the part where they said that there would be rules for using 25mm bases even though 30mm bases were preferred?

P.S. Everyone I know who bought the Dreamforge storm troopers did it for role playing game figures.

No I didn't miss that. But what if people want to use their new 30mm based warzone minis for 40k! This is my point. I've got a crap load of bases so to me it doesn't matter, but it will to other people.

Right, because every game should be backwards-compatible with 40k... Get over yourself.