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can't believe that the rules don't state the BS of the auto-fire mode - silly GW!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But what do they gain by not giving us the sprue?

You're assuming the whole sprue makes just 1 set and is then cut up and boxed. Not my suggestion.

Let's say a master sprue has five gun emplacements on it. Or that one sprue is just the front wall x 10 because that fits neatly. This way a sprue or sprues could make multiple boxes in part or in combination. Maybe this is a way they've found of being more cost effective. Also, as someone pointed out they can immediately recycle sprue, saving materials costs. I can see how this all might appeal to the bean counters.

Anway, just an idea. Who fething well knows.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But what do they gain by not giving us the sprue?

The sprue must be intermixed, I guess.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But what do they gain by not giving us the sprue?

You're assuming the whole sprue makes just 1 set and is then cut up and boxed. Not my suggestion.

Let's say a master sprue has five gun emplacements on it. Or that one sprue is just the front wall x 10 because that fits neatly. This way a sprue or sprues could make multiple boxes in part or in combination. Maybe this is a way they've found of being more cost effective. Also, as someone pointed out they can immediately recycle sprue, saving materials costs. I can see how this all might appeal to the bean counters.

Anway, just an idea. Who fething well knows.

In theory they can also save on storage/shipping costs in some situations too, because the box contents can be far smaller than they would be with full sprues. It would certainly help alleviate supply issues (like with Tau) if they can ship and store more products in the same volume.

 Redemption wrote:
They aim for the closest Flyer or Flying Monstrous Creature in line of sight. If no such target exists, they aim for the closest enemy unit.

Wait, what? I can't choose what I shoot? That's just unbelievably stupid.

Welcome to automated fire.

This was buried in the Warhammer Forge Newsletter, but is pertinent to 40k Players that use Forge World, I think.


Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse
Following on from the release of Games Workshop's new Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse expansion, we have put a handy page together which links every Forge World product that can be seen in the book by page reference.

Crimson wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
They aim for the closest Flyer or Flying Monstrous Creature in line of sight. If no such target exists, they aim for the closest enemy unit.

Wait, what? I can't choose what I shoot? That's just unbelievably stupid.

rigeld2 wrote:Welcome to automated fire.

It's actually a nice way to balance things. You can have nice big guns, but can't just turn them into oversized sniper rifles to pick apart your opponent's army. This way the quad-LC can still do a fine job of swatting flyers out of the sky, but not have to be costed according to what it could do to ground targets in the wrong hands.

 Crimson wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
They aim for the closest Flyer or Flying Monstrous Creature in line of sight. If no such target exists, they aim for the closest enemy unit.

Wait, what? I can't choose what I shoot? That's just unbelievably stupid.

This isn't new. There already were units that did this in the Apocalypse Books.

IA:Apocalypse II, Page 19, Imperial Sentry Guns.

The Heavy bolter ones shoot at the nearest non-vehicle target, according to it's fire mode.
The Lascannon ones will shoot at the nearest enemy vehicle or MC, according to it's fire mode.

The Firing modes were Point Defense Mode, Sentry Mode, and Interceptor Mode (Planetstrike only). I don't feel like typing those out.

Also, they're REALLY cheap.

On FW site, list some stuff that is in book

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Home/Apocalypse.html

Kolbalt266 wrote:
On FW site, list some stuff that is in book

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Home/Apocalypse.html

Beat ya by 7 minutes!

85pt BS2 Battlecannon shot? Yes please!

Peregrine. Too much stuff to quote but just wanted to weigh in one more time:

You said NO vehicle had an option to take a D-weapon and something that could hit a flyer. I refuted that with facts, I'm sorry that you'd still choose to take D-Str weapons as your personal preference...but that wasn't the discussion at the time.

You asked me if I played games over 5k because nobody fields troops which invalidates my idea that infantry are more viable with the new D-Str weapon rules. I run multiple Apoc games a year for my and other local clubs, all of which have had plenty of people bring infantry heavy armies that didn't have Invuln saves. These games average 15k per side which is mitigated time-wise by players bringing stat sheets to be able to roll saves for their teammates and players never running more than 3k each. Time isn't much of an issue for us, as our players are required to know the game well before delving into something like Apoc. This speeds up gameplay.

Aside from the donkey cave banter, the one poster did have a point in that Apoc...like any game...is fundamentally only as good as your opponent. If you play against people who treat Apoc like a tournament, you will rarely have fun. Just like I rarely have fun at any tournament due to those that just HAVE to show up with whatever netlist seems like the most uncombatable. Because winning is everything to them and destroying any fluff in the process doesn't matter because this game is just a bunch of numbers with names....and the names don't matter.

Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it. D-weapons are still powerful, but less so against infantry than before. Did GW miss an opportunity to do something to better balance Apoc by not pricing Destroyer weapons higher than a Vulcan Megabolter? Certainly. They miss opportunities in every Codex or supplement, some more obvious than others(I'm looking at you Death from the Skies!). Now what matters more is how you react to it. I'm choosing to still play Apoc and not care because I think the non-existant problem of D-weapons is now even less of a problem. So in my case. 0 minus 5, is still 0. Hopefully you can also find some good gamers to play against that treat Apoc more along the lines of 'Bring that 40k list and add in some of those awesome Apoc models!'.

Hm, at 200 points I could take the firestorm redoubt, or keep my ADL with quadgun and a 5-man tac squad with flak missiles. They seem to work out very similar offensively; not sure which is stronger defensively. ADL is probably better if you're using the terrain placement rules.

Why can't you Poms tell the difference between Australian and New Zealand flags? (hint, count the stars...or alternatively, Aussies are the ones who beat you at cricket, Kiwis are the ones who beat you at rugby )

Or it's like the old saying goes. New Zealand is the New Jersey of Australia...LOL.

Also, Peregrine's view on APOC and why people take the things they take is completely off base. Only the terminally stupid are looking at APOC with any sort of competitive attitude...and those people aren't worth wasting an entire afternoon playing anyways. They don't get why APOC is cool. They don't get the ethos of APOC and never will. They should be ignored and shunned. D-Weapons are not the end all be all of APOC and never were.

And just like that i do not want them for my tau army anymore.

still though maybe il get the eagle cannon later as a center piece or something.

Gah.
Vengeance Weapon Battery - 75 points for an emplaced Punisher that can't be fired by a model. +10 for a Battle Cannon. I was hoping for more.

Firestorm Redoubt - 200 points for 2 Quad LInked Lascannons! Yay. The lascannons only can automated fire. Boo. But they come with a free frogurt! Yay. But the frogurt is cursed. Boo. Firing only at the nearest flyer or MC? Boo.

That was a waste of my money. :(

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't buy it. If that was the case, why start now? Why weren't they doing it earlier?

They had to fire the one board-member who wanted to lower the price because of this save on plastic.

Saw the Big Mek Stompa page! CRAZY ton of changes.

Gaze is Heavy 1 D, but uses the Stompa's less than provocative BS.

Gets 3 extra base attacks.

Lifta-Droppa has to roll to hit, but autoexplodes any vehicle that starts with less than 4HP and doesn't smash other units any more. Can choose a point 2d6 inches away that it explodes at but can't be on top of models, no scatter.

Gigashoota is GONE. No, you don't get a supa-gatler to replace it.

d6 power fields. That's a plus!

A hefty price hike of 180 points. Can trade out the close combat D weapon for a deth kannon for extra points (doesn't have a kannon stock) and can buy an extra kannon for it's tummy.

Supa-rokkits sold separately.

 Cheexsta wrote:


The templates are made of a very different plastic to the old green templates. They're much more flexible and much lighter - I'm not sure if this is a positive or not, because they feel cheaper. Since they're all clip-together templates, having it like this means that parts are less likely to snap, though.

Less likely to snap is good. Much as I love the bright green templates, my Apoc Barrage template snapped during my move from Florida to Nevada a couple years back. The greens are really nice, but when you get to something the size of the Apoc templates, too easy to snap.

Had the pleasure of building a pair of Vengeance batteries today. Interesting, as the parts are supplied in plastic bags ziploc bags already clipped out of their sprues, along with a multi-language rule booklet that gives you fluff, points and rules. The plastic used felt different from the usual plastic for some reason, reminded me of the stuff Privateer Press uses for their things, only this stuff does go together with regular plastic glue.

Only downside is that you can either build it as a battle cannon or Punisher emplacement, you can't officially swap the weapons, though we found out that the Punisher cannon barrels easily fit the battle cannon barrel.

I'm actually kinda glad they pre-clipped the parts. 1 less stage of preparation to go through, I suppose. In any case, truly a boon for those as lazy as myself.

You still need to really clean them though, scrape off the lines and scour the edges most likely, as the two I had really were not cast in properly aligned molds.

Don't know if this is the right place to post...but does anyone have a clue what the Dark Eldar Kabalite Web Strike might do...even from the previous rules?

I'm in my first Apoc game tomorrow. We're just bringing models and looking at the rules there. Just trying to decide what I should pack up tonight.

 Gordy2000 wrote:

Why can't you Aussies order rulebooks?

Why can't you Poms tell the difference between Australian and New Zealand flags? (hint, count the stars...or alternatively, Aussies are the ones who beat you at cricket, Kiwis are the ones who beat you at rugby )

Also- New Zealand = Lord of the Rings. Australia = Everything that breaths wants to kill you, except some of the sheep.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But what do they gain by not giving us the sprue?

You're assuming the whole sprue makes just 1 set and is then cut up and boxed. Not my suggestion.

Let's say a master sprue has five gun emplacements on it. Or that one sprue is just the front wall x 10 because that fits neatly. This way a sprue or sprues could make multiple boxes in part or in combination. Maybe this is a way they've found of being more cost effective. Also, as someone pointed out they can immediately recycle sprue, saving materials costs. I can see how this all might appeal to the bean counters.

Anway, just an idea. Who fething well knows.

It also probably has to do with the large, deep, and thick single pieces. Those probably don't work well in normal sprues mixed with smaller thinner parts.

bubbinski wrote:
Don't know if this is the right place to post...but does anyone have a clue what the Dark Eldar Kabalite Web Strike might do...even from the previous rules?

I'm in my first Apoc game tomorrow. We're just bringing models and looking at the rules there. Just trying to decide what I should pack up tonight.

It's Apoc, pack everything!

The bagged terrain isn't new, GW has been doing this with the large fantasy terrain pieces for a while now.

Hmmm.... time to build a Nid Vengance Battery.

rigeld2 wrote:
Hmmm.... time to build a Nid Vengance Battery.

That's a good point...

 minionboy wrote:
The bagged terrain isn't new, GW has been doing this with the large fantasy terrain pieces for a while now.

Yup, all the big fantasy terrain feels like cheap plastic, and the molds are rarely aligned. They take a lot of work to get them cleaned and aligned...lots of greenstuffing. I feel they use a different plastic grade for these big pieces.

Jay