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I'm very happy that they have added a Canyon tileset as a freebie rather than another copy of the mine set -







Plus new rules for a Blastedwaste town.

According to FFP, the new KS will specifically begin at 3pm PST on the 31st, for those that care about getting in early (whether or not there are Early Birds, but I think FFP learned their lesson on that one).

One week and counting, ladies and gents!

It's good to see the general support on the KS page, their FB page, and some other venues I frequent, but it's a bit frustrating to see people taking out their anger over one aspect or another of the current campaign in less than constructive ways.

Not that I'm surprised by this, of course. This is the internet after all. But disappointing all the same.

3pm PST is doable in the UK so happy with that.

I was waiting at the announced launch time for the first campaign but they didn't realise they needed Kickstarter approval so they ended up launching a few days later without any announcement (early hours of morning in UK). Thankfully I randomly checked when I woke up the night as only cost me an additional $75 rather than the additional $150 it would have cost me for the minecart in the morning.

 Forar wrote:
According to FFP, the new KS will specifically begin at 3pm PST on the 31st, for those that care about getting in early (whether or not there are Early Birds, but I think FFP learned their lesson on that one).

Where did they announce this info? Thanks!

ced1106 wrote:

 Forar wrote:
According to FFP, the new KS will specifically begin at 3pm PST on the 31st, for those that care about getting in early (whether or not there are Early Birds, but I think FFP learned their lesson on that one).

Where did they announce this info? Thanks!

Facebook.

"Flying Frog Productions: We are planning for a 3PM PST launch for the Kickstarter!"

Stated several times, because reading the entire comment chain is for chumps. :-P

On a re-read, I should clarify that they haven't said anything about early birds. That's just my own conjecture/hope that we don't see a repeat of the shenanigans surrounding them last time.

I know I've asked a few times about the early birds, and gotten no response either way.

You'd think they'd be quite frank about something that caused such agony and misery among their fanbase, which they are still reminded of to this day.

They are doing a 24 hour early bird

That's not..horrible, I guess!

Hopefully the EB is only $10 or something like that. Mine Cart was a fething nightmare last time.

I'm curious if they'll even do an all-in type pledge.

I'm sure that's cost them as well.

And to think I would have had one of those very first EB mine carts if I hadn't sat and thought about the page a bit too long.

Eagerly looking forward to this one though!

I'm guessing a single pledge level with a 24hr $10 EB discount.

I highly doubt they will do an all-in pledge after the Mine Cart shenanigans.

I just hope it isn't plagued by too many people trolling the comments with "but I haven't got my stuff yet!" drivel. I expect a few, of course, as some people can't seem to understand that FFP need to work on something while SoB wave 2 gets manufactured...

Good luck with that - the comments section will, again, quickly become an unreadable morass of negativity.

Not to be confused with a cesspool of such things, of course!

As usual, come here to Dakka Dakka for all the good stuff, without quite as much of the bad stuff!

I have looked at this game a number of times but "never pulled the trigger"

How does it play?? I have heard it is a Western Warhammer Quest, but I am mostly
interested in the map boards and miniatures for Aces and Eights RPG.

On some of the forums also people are saying the miniatures are very fragile . like
you can easily break weapons off and other things with basic handling.

Also did they ever release the Train expansion.?? Not seeing anything like that on
the online game shops..

The train wasn't reached during the kickstarter, so has not been released yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned up as part of this one though as there was a lot of interest in it last time.

The game itself is, as you say, basically a weird west version of Warhammer quest. As a game, I love it. Thematically it works well and BGG has a lot of really good fan made enhancements to the game if all of the official ones aren't enough! I'm really interested to see what the KS has in store for us

I wouldn't say the models were weak for basic handling; not if you are used to Warhammer style models. There is a lot of moaning from the boardgame crowd as they have to stick the figures together, so the fragility comment may have come from an expectation of things being zombicide style plastic, rather than hard sprues. I would say that the detail on the first few releases was fairly basic, but as they have grown as a company, they have become better at producing the figures. They still aren't GW standard (not by a long way), but they are improving.


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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Just ordered City of Ancients, Frontier Towns, and Masters of the Void as our "entry" into the series. My wife and I should love it.

So can someone explain how I go about adding expansions? Do I just combined EVERYTHING to create on giant pool of random enemies, locations, loot, etc?

Also, how are campaigns/missions/progression generated? Do I create a pool of missions based on everything I own, and they just randomly come up?

As I mentioned in the news thread. Here is a better place for your questions

Each expansion will have new rules detailed in it, but in most cases, it is simply a case of shuffling the expansion cards into the correct card decks and go from there. You will want something to store all of the cards and chits in... this is the one thing about SoB. There are a lot of cards. Initially it may look overbearing, but each deck comes into play at certain times so you don't need to worry.

The rulebooks contain generic and Otherworld related missions. BGG has some fan made adventures to add into the pool as well. Once you've had a go at a campaign or two out of the box, have a look at the fan made Hexcrawl for a more detailed, persistent campaign. By all accounts it is well worth it

Hi guys. Thanks for the help, as being a transplant from the News and 40k parts of DakkaDakka, I didn't even realize this existed.

I did have a couple questions.

So, can someone clarify some of the flow of play? I've heard there isn't a proper way to play a campaign per se, so where/when would a town-phase even occur? I think i'm confusing how missions are generated. So... missions come on cards? And expansions often add extra missions. Before a session do we just shuffle and draw one?

What specifics do missions demand? Like, is the mission included with Masters of the Void the only way I will encounter those monsters, or do missions not indicated which loot/monsters/etc... to set aside to use during that specific session? As an extention of that, are Swamp themed enemies useless if I don't own that core set, etc?

New Kickstarter is now live and we have a new thread in the News section -

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/706954.page

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Hi guys. Thanks for the help, as being a transplant from the News and 40k parts of DakkaDakka, I didn't even realize this existed.

I did have a couple questions.

So, can someone clarify some of the flow of play? I've heard there isn't a proper way to play a campaign per se, so where/when would a town-phase even occur? I think i'm confusing how missions are generated. So... missions come on cards? And expansions often add extra missions. Before a session do we just shuffle and draw one?

What specifics do missions demand? Like, is the mission included with Masters of the Void the only way I will encounter those monsters, or do missions not indicated which loot/monsters/etc... to set aside to use during that specific session? As an extention of that, are Swamp themed enemies useless if I don't own that core set, etc?

There is a copy of the original rulebook up on the FFG blog (https://ffpgames.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/sobs_rulebook_web_publish.pdf) that covers the actual gameplay bits. For the campaigns and mission generation, it has been a while since I read the books, but iirc there are 6 generic missions that are the same across both starter boxes, plus 6 Otherworld unique missions in each box. When playing a campaign you can either randomly pick a mission, or play through them as a story. In either case, it is assumed that you go back to town between trips into the mines (which seems a little odd in some cases; though you don't have to). Skill generation is done as and when you have the cash to do it, so you can level up in the mines/Otherworlds iirc. You'll need to do this if you venture through to one of the Otherworlds as there won't be a township over there unless you add in the unofficial Jargano villages from BGG.

Each World/Otherworld has a spawn deck that includes any creatures that you may encounter, so if your mission is only in the Mines, you would use the Mines spawn deck, but as soon as you step through a gateway to Jargano (for example) you would start to use the spawn deck form that world instead. Each add-on pack comes with cards to add into the relevant decks, so be aware when you are buying the current foe boxes which world you are playing in. I would recomend getting both starter sets eventually as it will give you the biggest extension to gameplay imo. The same is true of artefacts. When searching for loot you draw from the generic Loot deck that will include things like Darkstone shards, money or Artefacts. if you pull the Artefact card, then you can pick from the generic artefact deck, or from the relevant Otherworld Artifacts deck. Deck boxes divided up into each world and then card types for that world make it much simpler to run a session.

Thanks again guys. I just found out about FF's webstore and discovered that quite a few expansions are made in VERY limited, print on demand batches. Can anyone suggest any of these?

Some have sold out literally in the last day so I decided to grab the Prospector and Orphan class (Drifter already sold out), and also three of the card supplements that were oriented toward either gear, or the main game, and not any specific other-world.

Do these add a decent amount of value on top of the stuff I already ordered for my wife?

I'm still waiting for all mine to arrive in the Minecart box from the first KS, so I can't really say about the expansions. I would imagine the artefact decks will be great value; I'm not sure about the growing dread pack they released recently as I've not had a chance to compare it to the existing cards.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Thanks again guys. I just found out about FF's webstore and discovered that quite a few expansions are made in VERY limited, print on demand batches. Can anyone suggest any of these?

Some have sold out literally in the last day so I decided to grab the Prospector and Orphan class (Drifter already sold out), and also three of the card supplements that were oriented toward either gear, or the main game, and not any specific other-world.

Do these add a decent amount of value on top of the stuff I already ordered for my wife?

I have played SoB a TON, and I would suggest sticking to what you have for now. The "limited" expansions on FFP's web store tend to be left overs from Gencon of things that will get a full print later on. My biggest suggestion would be getting both core sets; I think you said you have City of the Ancients, so grabbing Swamps of Death would give you 4 new classes, 5(?) new enemy types, a few different scavenge cards, many different gear cards, artifact cards, a new Other World and a whole lot of tokens and such. I have both Core sets, Cynder and Frontier Towns. I'm waiting for Trederra to come back in at MM, since I'm not paying the $90 that it's going for on Amazon.

As for game flow, it's fairly straight forward. Pick or randomly determine a mission (I suggest starting with "A Fist Full of Darkstone" for your first game; it's the basic scenario). That gives you a starting setup for your team to explore. Exploration is turn based, with each person moving and an end phase where new encounters are placed. Combat follows much the same principle, with initiative determining character/monster action order and most exploration suspended while monsters are on the board. Once your objective is complete, you head back to town. (I think you said you have Frontier Towns expac, which slightly modifies the basic rules in the Adventure book).

I really do recommend reading the Adventure book back to front. There is a lot of good information in there, especially re: the character classes' abilities.

Thanks guys. I'm sure we'll add Swamps of Death and a handful of expansions as our "next" splurge if we find ourselves playing the game more regularly.

I will say, as a completist, it bugs me that three of five "extra" character classes are sold out at FFG, and aren't sold in stores period. The Drifter, Cowboy, Frontier Doc, and Native all seem like awesome concepts. I don't mind waiting on card add-ons, but missing classes feels like a bigger deal.

Oh, and I saw the KS had Werewolves and Vampires plus tiles and missions for them... Are those out or coming to retail? Is there a release calender for their retail stuff coming up?

Those will be coming to retail at some point, yes. Probably later next year I would imagine. I would also expect the extra characters to get a fresh batch in January when they have their delivery for the ks wave 2 restock

That FFG /= FFP thing is killing me ...

Just thought i'd add...

The FFP webstore just updated for Black Friday, and has three new card supplements up for pre-order, as well as finally having all the Gencon Limited Classes back in stock.

I'd been waiting more than a month for some of these so grab 'em if you want them before they disappear again.

Is any of that 'new' content?

My understanding is the card packs are actually new, as in, they aren't part of the KS package, whereas the heroes will be delivered (if you backed high enough for them/ already added them to your outlaw pledge).

Ah, so it looks like I'll need to pick up the card packs then - thanks!

Question - were the Giant Slugs part of the original SoB campaign?

EDIT:

A look on the original SoB page seems to indicate all three of those card packs are already included...

Might still need to get the Slugs though?

The Swamp Slugs and the Hell Vermin are flat out new, created post campaign, nobody is getting them innately. That said, they were also at Gencon 2015, and are already at retail (CoolStuffInc has them, for example).

Are the slugs and other new miniatures (like the guardians and custodians of Targa) made of HIPS plastic?

I'm pretty sure they are.

Unless they say they're resin (and by that, they mean 'real resin), then everything else for this game is HIPS.