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 RiTides wrote:
Ah, but therein lies the rub, brothers.

You might tell yourself "I'm just going to take a small taste, what's the harm?"

You'll start out with a perfectly acceptable dire troll from Privateer Press, or a chibi miniature from Super Dungeon Explore.

Then, you'll tell yourself- "It must work fine for normal 28mm miniatures, right? I could make a whole army of these! For so cheap!"

...and you're hooked.

......and you're left, scattered all around you in your basement, with no friends left to comfort you, with this:

Spoiler:

We are left with only one course open to us.

It must be purged!

Can Restic Knights piss fire somehow?

Woe is me, I gave it up I swear! I saw the damage restic was doing to my hobby and I said no more!
But Soda Pop were sneaky, they led me along with promises of a refund, but they lied! More restic is headed my way. I am ashamed.

I am glad you started this thread, many suffer from this debilitating condition, it is a painful condition that ultimately leads to insanity. The only known cure for Restic-halitosis is a Polystyrene injection at the base of the skull. Most do not survive....

Schmapdi wrote:
Can Restic Knights piss fire somehow?

Getting stuff like this makes you want to piss fire.


Mantic Deadzone orc. Ripped plastic in 2 places with miscast details in foot The replacement was ok.


Mantic Deadzone super awesome main reason for pledging plague monster(s).
These are replacements for the reported miscasts... that are sadly in better shape than these misaligned messes of flash overload.
Any reports of larger figures being fine in this material is pure luck.

My name is John.

The only materials I worked with prior to the material we know as "restic" was metal and hard plastic (GW plastic and typical airplane model kits).

I tell you the truth, at one point I hated metal. Biggest dead dog Sh!t material know to man. Vowed to never touch it again. But I saw Infinity, and said "that's ok". Infinity was like a beautiful woman with parents that don't like you. you tolerated it.

One day I saw sedition wars a year before the kickstarter and bought all their resin and metal figures. I even own 2 or 3 of those really rare Kara Black resin miniatures with mini gun. Fahkin Beautiful.

I was like the Joaquin Phoenix who fell in love with a computer but was a miniature.

Then one day Studio Mcvey and CMON come along saying they are going to make a board game on kickstarter. I was super excited. Bunch of miniatures in plastic, telling me that it was the same factory as Privateer press uses.

No way this could be bad, People love the warmachine like they love the Apple iPhone.

and then I see this on the front page too

From the mind of industry legend Mike McVey, and created by the finest artists, miniatures sculptors and game designers, the contents and play materials of the game are of the highest quality.. Sedition Wars : Battle for Alabaster represents the best that miniatures gaming has to offer!

The game contains –

50 highly detailed 28mm miniatures
50 Scenic miniature bases
5 double sided full colour expandable game boards
60 page rules and scenario book
Vanguard and Strain stat cards
100+ full colour game counters
Check out the detail of these great models!

After realizing towards the end we would be getting buckets of miniatures dirt cheap I had publicly question the quality we were getting.

Well, I regret asking that, I was like the justin bieber of the chat. I got crapped on by several people and someone reported me



Apparently using the phrase dead dog s#!t is not PC.

The result was like the dead dog sh!t burgers from McDonalds. Looks good on the picture what you get was horrible camel s#!t.

Tears, blood, stitches in the thumb and regret. That's what I got.

And harassment publicly and via PM on board game geek.

Sedition Wars was a bigger disappointment than Aaron Carter's life and music career.

And to make my misfortunes worse, I backed Relic Knights too.

Why? because I am dumber than the person who thought restic was a good idea.

After working with "restic"... I love the metal!

Sedition Wars will forever be remembered with the scar on my thumb.

 Piston Honda wrote:
Why? because I am dumber than the person who thought restic was a good idea.

After working with "restic"... I love the metal!

It occurs to me that perhaps you have stumbled upon the hidden designs of the restic movement. Originally conceived as a cheap alternative material to hard plastic, when implemented there were drawbacks, obviously, but also opportunity for those seeking to rein consumers back to metal and deter the push to "plastic".

Lament villains! for your secret is revealed and we will fight you in the open.

Only certain exalted members of the Knights Plastic can manifest special powers - paladins of our order can work miracles!

 RiTides wrote:
Hi Dentry, Zond. Thanks for sharing. Don't worry, we're all in different stages on our road to recovery, and by sharing we help one another along the way.

Whalemusic, I see you have seen the error of your ways, but fear not! We have all experienced that same sickening moment, and it's why we're here together, helping one another recover and right the wrongs we've done to ourselves and others in the name of restic.

Alpharius, your zeal is admirable, brother. But we have yet to hear your story. What has brought you to our circle of recovery?

Sinful Hero, you're right, and that's why we're here. For our errors in judgement do not affect us alone. There are others who fall victim, and worst of all, some of them are helpless to do anything about it:



You can't even see the pain on their faces. Why, you ask? Because of that which has formerly enslaved us, that which has brought us here: PVC plastic aka "restic"... our former drug of choice.

While I can understand how some can be disappointed in vinyl (and it doesn't help much when so much bad vinyl is still being pushed) I generally like PVC as a material. I've been dealing with it since the late 1980s though in larger scales - so I haven't had any surprises in working with it (and to be honest find cleaning mold lines as fast or faster on vinyl than with hard plastic...and a good bit faster than cleaning up metal or resin). It probably would have been better served if the manufacturers had helped to provide better information up front in how to use it (or even on the backside - as I really don't recall any official "How to work with PVC (restic, sprueless plastic, Bones...)" by any of the manufacturers. As a result of the trial and lots of errors - there has been more than its fair share of bad press.

However, case in point of this post. That sculpt didn't turn out well - Reaper did the right thing and removed that figure from sale. Other companies...well, not so much. At least with them, when they see they have a piece of " dead dog sh!t" they don't try to keep selling it. I know that they ended up swinging and missing on several figures, and pulled them as a result. The ones they kept in circulation - other than issues relating to the manufacturing process are perfectly acceptable to me (especially given the economy of them).

If more companies would be proactive on the production issues - I think a lot of you could learn to live with your habit...much like thousands of functioning alcoholics.

Of course, that wouldn't really help with sculpting that falls short of concept art expectations. However, you see that regardless of the material being used and is a different issue to address entirely.

I don't love restic, but I don't hate it. It's just another material to work with. Also, RITides, if you hate the Golems I got for you, I'll buy a unit of 6 back from you for the price paid.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I don't love restic, but I don't hate it.P

I take offence at your fence sitting, and if you'll be so kind as to give me a minute to straighten my sword in some hot water, I'll have your head!

Exalted!

And perfectly in line with what the intended theme is here!

Have any of you lords of mold slippage worked with the newer GW terrain? It did feel remarkably like restic. At the very least it's extra hard, and didn't come on sprue.

Not to get too much into detail, but I spent well over $250 on Sedition Wars stuff and ever since that terrible, proverbial dump truck of dark grey restic was dumped at my door. I have never wanted to touch RESTIC ever again! And I gave it a damn good go! I trimmed and cleaned, shaved and filed, for days, weeks, months even then on! The warpage of pieces was beyond factor 13, I burned mine hands many times with kettle, finger tip and bowl.

LOOK AT MY AVATAR! That's what restic did to me!


The road to restic is paved with good intentions..

I can't ascertain with any detail my stance on the quality of restic... perhaps a few hours of modeling might bring some clarity to the situation for me. Maybe a hot bath will help too!

Is there something special I should do to clean up my bones minis? I haven't had a chance to actually paint one yet. I assumed primer and go.

To keep with the topic, I've painted some AoW models that were restic, and they turned out alright. My complaints were more about the scarcity and lack of instructions for assembly and ability to modify.

buckero0 wrote:
Is there something special I should do to clean up my bones minis? I haven't had a chance to actually paint one yet. I assumed primer and go.

To keep with the topic, I've painted some AoW models that were restic, and they turned out alright. My complaints were more about the scarcity and lack of instructions for assembly and ability to modify.

Be sure to try to clean them in soapy water- it will remove any funk from casting.

I have read the stories of my brothers, and share your pain. I was seduced by Sedition Wars, and persuaded by an inner voice to cast my lot with Deadzone.

After struggling with those tainted fruits, mingled with my blood and sweat and tears, I swore off restic for eternity.

I, too, am guilty of buying restic. Help me cast off the chains of this poison chalice.

But, but, but...I'm assured that a brass brush is the complete cure for restic mold lines. Couple hours per mini with a new hobby knife for each limb/weapon (to keep them sharp and precise) plus a long brass brush session makes restic a dream to work with

Used a brass brush on my strain. It did nothing.

I first got restic when Privateer started using it. When their two player starters for warmachine came out, I got a bunch of menoth stuff for cheap off of eBay. It was pretty disappointing, but I got the figures in shape and they painted up alright. I made the mistake of painting one jack before I hot water straightened it's weapons and now it just keeps bending back each time I straighten it. I'm worried if I try to hot water straighten it now, the paint would be damaged or flake off or something.

I didn't participate in the Reaper Bones Kickstarter, but I've bought the occasional model. I find the material to be far better than the hard grey PVC stuff, but it still has its limitations. Reaper's sculpts that have deep details in metal made the transition to the bendy PVC just fine. The sculpts with shallow details though, are best avoided. I also find that higher end files can take off the mould lines without creating fuzzies at all. The ones I have are 2x100 files.

I don't think I'll ever buy another hard grey PVC miniature, but I'm sure I'll buy more Bones. The ones with deeper sculpted details only though.

I am zedmeister and I am part of the holy order of resin. Resin is the most holy, most pure of materials. Though it is to be treated with reverence and care lest the resins gods smite you with broken swords.

Though, I too have betrayed my resin brotherhood and veered close to becoming a traitor restic knight. Though my tale is a sad one for I was lured to my doom through my worship of resin. Beautiful photos of resin masters were showcased, paint jobs unsurpassed and a kickstarter at the right price. My wallet was opened and my fate sealed. When I received my box I was horrified. For while the detail was good the cleanup was monstrous. My soul cried out as I proceeded to clean every last restic piece I had. Sharp knives, diamond files, old toothbrushes were employed along with my own tears. Ranked up to the side, my painted resin figures looked on at me, a look of pity in their eyes. Darklands, Forgeworld, Kingdom Death and Studio McVey all felt betrayed at my actions. For 4 months I persevered until every last one was cleaned. I looked down at my work and was pleased, but felt empty for such effort should be better spent on painting. In atonement, I immediately commenced painting resin.

However, the experience has taught me to be wary of the restic dogs Mantic and CMON and I have thus far resisted further attempts at temptation. So brothers, you Styrene Shevaliers, you resin clerics, you lords of metal, heed my tale and beware. Don't be tempted to join the restic knights, the darkest of forms. Stay true to your heart!

 Piston Honda wrote:
Used a brass brush on my strain. It did nothing.

Perhaps you didn't brush the miniature the required 8-10 hours per section of mold line?

I was punished for my cheating ways.

For many years I have had a fulfilling relationship with metal. Metal has even understood my need to occasionally dabble with HIPS and hand cast resin.

But after a relationship of nearly 30 years, my eyes were turned by a young nubile new material. Mantic were launching a sports game just as GW were abandoning my true love of Bloodbowl. So I wandered. Even when metal tried to keep me faithful by Mantic offering me the first 2 Dreadball teams in metal at the Derby wargames show, I was lusting wholeheartedly for this sleek young model so much that I turned them down to await the delivery of this fresh thing into my hands.

Then it arrived. It felt slimy, lightweight, lacking in depth, cheap, slutty. I tried to make it work Brothers. I scrubbed the figures, tried to scrape off the rough edges all new projects had. I even attempted to paint this whore of Babylon.

Never again.

Don't listen to these cheap temptresses. Metal has been my wife for longer than my wife has been. I will stay faithful from here my darling, I promise.

Thank you for sharing your woeful tales, valiant knights. Though our scars run deep, when brought to light the ache is dulled and the fires doused.


So I will share my encounter with a beautiful lady. Commiserating with many a story told here, it began amicably enough.

She stood there at the ready, weapon poised, eyes dangerous; an alluring temptress stealing my focus. I stared and dreamed of what could be and lost myself in thought. Seizing upon the opportunity my haze presented her, she approached and whispered in my ear her price. A moment longer I stared... perhaps more, and, my decision made, took her offer. After several hours - days perhaps, I can no longer tell - our business concluded, I paid and she left. Unspoken we knew we'd meet again.

We've shared several encounters since then. Always she possessed that same allure as the cursed day I first laid eyes on her, if anything the attraction between us only grew; my money, her looks. Recently we met again; same place as usual. My smile failed as she was revealed to me for the first time, seeing her clearly a cold hand gripped my heart. Was this what I had paid for years ago? No. I knew then the horrible truth. The beauty beheld that first day had been nothing more than the creatures guise, a ruse to trick wary fools from their earnings and turn men to cattle from which it could sustain itself.

These long years has it fed upon me and I fear my torment is not yet done. Her voice, once a soothing hymn, haunts me. She whispers the same message over and over: she... it comes.

It was not the only creature I met that day.


There is yet hope. For now we have the beast's name and there is power in that. Let the gray blood we spill atone our sins!

My name is monders, and I bought Deadzone AND Dreadball.

I had my Db teams replaced for slightly better casts, but didn't chase up the Dz ones.

My lesson has been learnt, and I hope this whole shameless period is forever behind me.

I am an advocate for HIPS above all other materials. It is the best material for the consumer - it can be reliably be manufactured in arbitrarily large quantities for an extremely low per-model price. If you want to collect an army, it is cheap, reliable and does not suffer supply problems. Its one weakness - the inability to bend the material to allow for undercuts - is a strength, as it makes it impossible for idiots to design miniatures that will warp when forced from the moulds, and encourages multi-part design that is great for letting people personalise their army.

It is more expensive to start up, but that's what Kickstarter is for - to get the capital to get your business off the ground. Using Kickstarter for restic does a disservice to the customer: restic already forces many of its problems onto the end user - the unreliable quality, the difficulty of cleaning the miniatures, the higher price per model - and expecting the customer to pay for the miniatures months in advance of production is just another insult added to injury.

Sorry, i cannot join your band of heretics as am a follower of the jealous Hello Kitty god. Here in the land of the rising son most of the beautiful Hello Kitty Idols are made out of PVC or restic as it is called in the west.

Behold the beauty that is restic!

Lo and behold, dear brothers, another veteran of the PVC campaign, though I did no serve in the Mantic or Relic theaters.

I earned my Knighthood in the Cryx battlebox, moving on to the Khador and Convergence after that. The conflicts were varied, ranging from light duty to bloody slogs. Though I kept the faith, as the end results were acceptable for the costs paid.

And then came the Herald of McVey. And trumpets did sound, and banners were raised. The campaign was promised to be fruitful. Alas, the first wave was fraught with mold lines and boiling liquids, shaping us and our figures with disturbing necessity. The first wave was salvaged, but the second, with villainous scales (not unlike the wyverns of old, if by nature and not form) and questionable assembly was almost abandoned. But I slogged on. Though the final product of both campaigns sit in a box, assembled but unused, waiting for a ruleset to free them from cardboard bondage.

I am wearied brothers, but upon seeing the fruits of the Relic and Mantic theaters, I understand your despair. I will continue to hold the banner, if only in the campaign's of Privateer Press.

Hi Joyboozer, RedSarge, gohkm, frozenwastes, zedmeister, richred_uk, monders, gunslingerpro, and I'd like to make special mention of Piston Honda, who inspired our order and is my sponsor/mentor. Thank you all for sharing your stories.

Thank you also to those supporters here, who may not have shared our affliction but can learn from our tales of woe. I'd like to make particular note of the comment from the supporter below:

privateer4hire wrote:
But, but, but...I'm assured that a brass brush is the complete cure for restic mold lines. Couple hours per mini with a new hobby knife for each limb/weapon (to keep them sharp and precise) plus a long brass brush session makes restic a dream to work with

privateer4hire wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
Used a brass brush on my strain. It did nothing.

Perhaps you didn't brush the miniature the required 8-10 hours per section of mold line?

It is a cruel mistress, isn't it? Many of us did not even make it this far, instead shamefully hiding our failures in the basement. Thank you for bringing some of the cost to light, the time spent serving such an unforgiving master. But the true cost cannot be measured only in time, or money, or the cuts on our fingers, but in the damage done to our hobbying souls.

Each of us are in different places on this journey, but together, supporting one another, we can venture fourth toward the light of freedom that is HIPS, resin, or even metal.