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I understand the inclination to have expensive forge world models, but the high entry price is killing any growth in the player base. Basic infantry should be much cheaper, and more specialist models could be priced as now.

In the last few weeks I've bought a Morkanaut, Stormclaw set, Flash Gitz, Ork Codex, Thraka supplement, Battlewagon and an Imperial Knight.

I'm on a low wage but can still afford these on top of mortgate, car, bills, etc. So I really don't see an issue with the prices as they are.

To be honest, for what goes into designing, production and material costs I'm amazed they're as cheap as they are.

Has anyone seen the pre-painted Dungeons & Dragons 6 figure set for £18.00? They are seriously ugly, badly painted with little detail. Give me GW figures over the likes of them any day.

Have you seen what Bandai does with their detailed plastic kits, that come with different colored plastic sections. A basic grade $10 kit for them would probably be a $50-60 kit for GW and it would still suck worse.

 Ugavine wrote:
In the last few weeks I've bought a Morkanaut, Stormclaw set, Flash Gitz, Ork Codex, Thraka supplement, Battlewagon and an Imperial Knight.

I'm on a low wage but can still afford these on top of mortgate, car, bills, etc. So I really don't see an issue with the prices as they are.

To be honest, for what goes into designing, production and material costs I'm amazed they're as cheap as they are.

Has anyone seen the pre-painted Dungeons & Dragons 6 figure set for £18.00? They are seriously ugly, badly painted with little detail. Give me GW figures over the likes of them any day.

Compare GW's figures to basically anyone who makes similar. Warlord and Perry especially (I'll leave Mantic out because a lot of their stuff is an acquired taste). Then look at what you pay for 10 plastic guys when other companies offer 40 for the same price.

So, why does GW charge 79.99 for a box of ten Sisters? I would actually like to know, there must be something up to justify such a truly outrageous price.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
So, why does GW charge 79.99 for a box of ten Sisters? I would actually like to know, there must be something up to justify such a truly outrageous price.

Because Citadel miniatures are luxury products and therefore worth a high price point.

That seems to be their entire modus operandi.

Now, since I know someone will likely make the comparison: Privateer Press sells 10 Iron Fang Pikemen for $85. Makes $79.99 for metal Sisters reasonable right? Except you tend to only need one box of Iron Fang Pikemen in a typical army for Warmachine. How many boxes of Sisters do you need to play an army? Not so equal anymore is it?

So they're essentially saying that if you want to play SOB, you're going to pay double to do it, essentially saying that they don't want anyone playing SOB anymore. Gotcha.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
So they're essentially saying that if you want to play SOB, you're going to pay double to do it, essentially saying that they don't want anyone playing SOB anymore. Gotcha.

Well that gives them an excuse to kill the line off. "See?! Nobody is buying it!!!"

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
So they're essentially saying that if you want to play SOB, you're going to pay double to do it, essentially saying that they don't want anyone playing SOB anymore. Gotcha.

Well that gives them an excuse to kill the line off. "See?! Nobody is buying it!!!"

That is some ridiculously outrageous strategic game playing. If they put as much thought into doing what would benefit the player as much as their sale line then I'm sure things would go better for them and us

 Ugavine wrote:
In the last few weeks I've bought a Morkanaut, Stormclaw set, Flash Gitz, Ork Codex, Thraka supplement, Battlewagon and an Imperial Knight.

I'm on a low wage but can still afford these on top of mortgate, car, bills, etc. So I really don't see an issue with the prices as they are.

To be honest, for what goes into designing, production and material costs I'm amazed they're as cheap as they are.

Has anyone seen the pre-painted Dungeons & Dragons 6 figure set for £18.00? They are seriously ugly, badly painted with little detail. Give me GW figures over the likes of them any day.

Logic like this hurts my head.

Sense It could be worse, why complain? Sense I can afford it, why complain? The quality is fine, so who cares about the prices? With all the effort in design, production, and material costs, not to mention all the time spent play testing (Wait a moment...) why should we complain?

That logic is flat out wrong. sense theirs a place that sells an 80 dollar luxury hotdogs in new york, it would be ok to buy a 20 dollar hotdog somewhere else right? I mean, it could be worse. I can afford that 20 dollar hotdog, so whats the problem? That 20 dollar hotdog tasted pretty good, so it was worth it. I bet it takes allot of money to design the hotdog, produce the hotdog, and all of the costs associated with the hotdog, we must be getting a deal for the 20 dollar hotdog.

Literally the logic is terrible.

Another check on prices, the GW strike force ultra pack comes in at £190, if bought separately it would cone in at about £250. Our friends at dark sphere have the same for £142. But least GW has £60 off from buying this pack, not bad

How does not making a sale translate into a good business practice? People that want to play a Sisters army are probably going to take one look at the cost of the basic troops and laugh - I know I did. If they were reasonably priced, however, people would have an incentive to buy more models for their army instead of laughing (and not buying) other models in the Sisters range. They're not only losing out on one sale but likely on many others as well.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
How does not making a sale translate into a good business practice? People that want to play a Sisters army are probably going to take one look at the cost of the basic troops and laugh - I know I did. If they were reasonably priced, however, people would have an incentive to buy more models for their army instead of laughing (and not buying) other models in the Sisters range. They're not only losing out on one sale but likely on many others as well.

I would imagine the logic goes thus: Someone who would balk at our high prices isn't someone we want as a customer. That seems to be how they would think.

Reminds me of a Hotel Hell episode; this pompous wannabe rich guy owned a hotel in a small town, and charged really high rates. Gordon Ramsay mentioned how the rates were too high for the locals, and he says something to the effect of the locals not being the kind of clientele that he wanted to stay there.

GW seems to think the same way.

 jabbakahut wrote:
I picked up the Battle company (bottom of the book shelf), I believe it was 450$ USD. That comes down to 45 bucks for a 10 man squad and rhino, pretty good deal I think.

Are those all un-built models, or did you save the boxes?

 Random Dude wrote:

 jabbakahut wrote:
I picked up the Battle company (bottom of the book shelf), I believe it was 450$ USD. That comes down to 45 bucks for a 10 man squad and rhino, pretty good deal I think.

Are those all un-built models, or did you save the boxes?

I wanted to ask the same question

Looks like they are in shrink, so I assume unbuilt. O_O

I haven't bought any models for my upcoming Eldar army yet. I'm planning to buy/build/paint in increments. 1000 to 1500 to 1850 to 2000.

Maybe the guy robbed a GW shop? Only way I could think to afford all the stuff...

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Maybe the guy robbed a GW shop? Only way I could think to afford all the stuff...

A few years ago I walked into my FLGS and there was no one there at all. The display cabinet full of gorgeously painted miniatures (including a Warhound) was left open. I didn't take anything, and luckily, no one else did either.

Ok another price compare (sorry if I'm getting annoying) the strike force pack going for at GW for £140 and is worth £182 on its own. As always dark sphere has the same thing for £105.

Although good savings from both companies

Regardless of what people think about the rules, I think most agree that GW's models look amazing. It's probably one of the biggest reasons we continue to buy them.

 Random Dude wrote:
Regardless of what people think about the rules, I think most agree that GW's models look amazing. It's probably one of the biggest reasons we continue to buy them.

Depends on the model. Some of them don't look that great, and don't need half as much customization options as they give.

Then some are just garbage case in point the Stormwolf or w/e (flying shoebox) and Logan Claus on Wolf-sled.

And let's not forget MURDERFANG, who hails from OMNICIDE, suffers from MURDERLUST and kills stuff with MURDERCLAWS

 Random Dude wrote:
Regardless of what people think about the rules, I think most agree that GW's models look amazing. It's probably one of the biggest reasons we continue to buy them.

Some models look amazing... many others don't.

About half the vehicles they sell are just 'a box with tank-tracks' or 'a box with wings'. Nicely detailed boxes, but boxes nevertheless.

Also, there are just a lot of models that are decent, but not worth the price they charge. e.g. Immortals look ok, but I just can't see them as being worth £5 per model.

And, they also have a lot of models that are just plain ugly - yet they still charge premium prices for them. Look at either of the 'bat' units in VCs and tell me they look amazing.

Finally, I don't necessarily want extra detail (or whatever it is that makes them look amazing, at the cost of jacking up the price) on all my units. It's fine on big monsters and characters, but on an infantry unit that I'm going to have several boxes of? I'will happily sacrifice a bit of detail if it means keeping the cost down.

 vipoid wrote:

 Random Dude wrote:
Regardless of what people think about the rules, I think most agree that GW's models look amazing. It's probably one of the biggest reasons we continue to buy them.

Some models look amazing... many others don't.

About half the vehicles they sell are just 'a box with tank-tracks' or 'a box with wings'. Nicely detailed boxes, but boxes nevertheless.

Also, there are just a lot of models that are decent, but not worth the price they charge. e.g. Immortals look ok, but I just can't see them as being worth £5 per model.

And, they also have a lot of models that are just plain ugly - yet they still charge premium prices for them. Look at either of the 'bat' units in VCs and tell me they look amazing.

Finally, I don't necessarily want extra detail (or whatever it is that makes them look amazing, at the cost of jacking up the price) on all my units. It's fine on big monsters and characters, but on an infantry unit that I'm going to have several boxes of? I'will happily sacrifice a bit of detail if it means keeping the cost down.

Vehicles like Wave Serpents have a much nice aesthetic than SM tanks. Also, boxy vehicles for SM fit the fluff of them being durable and functional.

 TheSilo wrote:
I understand the inclination to have expensive forge world models, but the high entry price is killing any growth in the player base. Basic infantry should be much cheaper, and more specialist models could be priced as now.

It seems that very few folks have a difficulty with Forge World being expensive - they put in the effort, and typically deserve the accolade of being a premium line of models.

Heck, even I don't complain about Forge World pricing.

But when you realize that some of the GW models are just as expensive as their FW counterparts....

The Auld Grump - I like the DKoK....

 Random Dude wrote:

Vehicles like Wave Serpents have a much nice aesthetic than SM tanks.

Indeed.

 Random Dude wrote:
Also, boxy vehicles for SM fit the fluff of them being durable and functional.

Granted, but they're still boxes with wheels.

However well they might fit the theme, they're not exactly pushing the envelope when it comes to creative vehicle designs.

I think the prices, as they are right now, should be reduced by 33%. At least it would be some what more reasonable.

I think hobbies of all kinds are becoming more expensive. It not as if GW invented price increases. We complain because it is our main hobby, but other hobbies have become just as expensive (if not more).

 vipoid wrote:

Now, go on the GW website and pretend you're looking to find out more about the game and/or the setting.

Do you see the problem? The complete lack of *anything* telling you what 40k is or what it's about. The complete lack of any articles to give you advice on where to start. The complete lack of any information whatsoever about what each of the races is about.

Be honest, if you went on the site with no prior information, would you even think that GW made those miniatures? Or, would you think that you'd misheard/misread the company name and ended up on some similarly-named tacky webstore by mistake?

Basically, if GW is to change prices, then they need to change their mindset too. More specifically, they need to start considering their customers (and potential customers) and human beings - rather than walking wallets.

This is sad and really true. I remember when they actually had a pitiful hobby section, now that is even gone. What got me hardcore into the hobby was White Dwarf (pre-internet as we know it). If they were to design their site to be a hobby site, filled with information, then the sales side of the site is the obvious place to go to buy a new squad you just watched a battle report on, or go to buy that new squad you just watched a tutorial on how to paint. I feel this is the no brainer that GW needs. That's the role that WD filled. I would read stuff, learn stuff, get excited and go buy stuff.


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 Random Dude wrote:

 jabbakahut wrote:
I picked up the Battle company (bottom of the book shelf), I believe it was 450$ USD. That comes down to 45 bucks for a 10 man squad and rhino, pretty good deal I think.

Are those all un-built models, or did you save the boxes?

Sadly that is a portion of my army still in a box.

Free rules. Books for fluff, with rules added in as bonus. Digital edition with bling, who dont cost the same as the actuall solid books.

2/3 of the cost per mini.
Rank and File cheaper (2 dollar per model if posable, 1 per model if not).
Characters for 10 dollar at max. Maybe 15 or 20 for BIG characters, like the vehicle ones (Ghazgull, The DA Land Speeder guy, etc).
Vehicles ranging from 20 to 40 dollars, 50 for big ones filled with options.