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Tau chicken feet battle suits. Big and top hvy and itty bitty funny feet.

The DK baby carrier has to annoy everyone. I bought this one as soon as I saw it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/469402-.html

The skulls on everything gets silly. Chaos I can see but why does the imperium have a skull fetish?

All their flying vehicles don't look like they can fly. Blocky and ugly. Nothing sleeK. The terminator one I use I like way better.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/501432-Alternate%20Stormraven%20GK.html

Lack of alien buildings. Nids, Necrons, and Tau use the aegis def line and bastions. They should have their own. I made my own quad gun out of clay and Nid bits. Would have made the wall too but I don't really like the nerfed quads now.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/601923-.html

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

3) Taurox. The 4 tracks make no sense, tracks are designed to spread weight, so making them smaller defeats the purpose of having a tracked vehicle.

Actually that's not a very bad design, its actually combining the benefits of both and allowing you to traverse some areas neither can on its own.
Its just highly impractical on the engines as to make it WORK you need either multiple engines, or a godly transmission system.

Still, we actually experimented with these in the real world too, it was deemed too much trouble to be worth the benefits, but in the IoM-impractical doesn't mean yo don't do it.

The baby carrier would look awesome as an Ork vehicle. I've always wanted to convert an Ork baby carrier after seeing The Matrix

I have little experience in most armies so what I'm going to list are the tiny little details that make me dislike otherwise awesome things:

1. Catachans. Skin shouldn't even move around muscles like that. I love the Rambo theme and story behind them, just ugly ugly models.

2. Tyranid guns. Basically what everyone is saying. I don't care what the evolutionary reason is for separately evolving guns, it's stupid. If I did a Tyranid army, it would be all melee, and I'd lose all the time, and so be it. Also, I won't even get into the "StarCraft Zerg are better" because I know that will cause a huge argument...But I do think GW and Blizzard conspired to make this debate of who came first just to hide the fact that they are both ripping off Heinlein's Starship Troopers.

3. The "jazz hand" on the wraithknight. I agree the model would look better if it were thinner, and the fluff is stupid. But I'm a sucker for wraith-related things. But that hand, it's like he's doing a magic trick or something, definitely going to remodel that when I get hold of one.

4. I think it is the khorne lord of skulls. What a stupid thing. It's a big evil person on a tank. Not even centered. It looks like something an 8 year old would make from two different toys. I just don't like chaos/daemons stuff anyway (except old school noise marines). I get he's the lord of skulls, but does he need to keep watch over every skull ever? Which brings me to

5. Skulls for skull skull! Why? What happened to humanity to make skulls so desirable for building, decorating, turning into sword sheaths, eating soup out of, and using as your icon. What real armies ever used a skull as a symbol and weren't the super evil SS? I know this is all part of the humorously over-the-top scifi setting. I like that, that's why I occasionally like Angry Marines and enjoy the silly Ork things that happen, but skulls never made me say "ohhh cool!"

0. This should probably go first, just in case someone on here is a modeler of the offense sculpts mentioned. It should be said that they're still good, something I definitely can't model. I know a lot of people don't like some models that others love, but we here more about the hated models some times. Occasionally we should all say "I hate this, I think this is stupid. But that's clearly what the minority of people think and I'm still impressed by the work put in to those models."

Tydil wrote:
5. Skulls for skull skull! Why? What happened to humanity to make skulls so desirable for building, decorating, turning into sword sheaths, eating soup out of, and using as your icon. What real armies ever used a skull as a symbol and weren't the super evil SS? I know this is all part of the humorously over-the-top scifi setting. I like that, that's why I occasionally like Angry Marines and enjoy the silly Ork things that happen, but skulls never made me say "ohhh cool!"

Has to be done:

1) tyranid bio weapon looking like regular weapon super glued to an arm
2) terminator armor and their dog face helm
3) grey knight fluff about them killing their own allies just because they might be tainted while fighting chaos
4) overly decorated imperium symbols on vehicles making nascar look normal
5) flying pigeons aka storm ravens and the like

1. Wolf Chariot Sled
2. Wolf Chariot Sled
3. Wolf Chariot Sled
4. Wolf Chariot Sled
5. Armbar

1. Santa Grimnar.
2. The Wolf head flyer.
3. The Wraith Knight. It reminds me of a Power Ranger. Looks like something out of Power Rangers too.
4. Centurions. I don't get it. Why do they exist?
5. Thunderwolf Calvary. "Hey, we have access to some of the most advanced war gear and some of the most robust vehicles. LETS GO RIDE SOME DOGGIES WEEE".

i agree with peregrine, its all been going to gak since 5th edition.

1. How massively chunky and out of proportioned the models are. I dont think it in any way makes models look cooler. Im not a fan of historic sized models much prefer true scale. Issues like meaty limbs, meaty guns, meaty but squat tanks and other things like the Eldar Pilots having nowhere for their legs to physically fit in the crimson hunter and so on.

2. The useless clutter on all the models. It just adds to making the models look cartoony. As mentioned the skulls are a huge one.

3. The stiff spine. I dislike how the models are all stiff as they seem like they are all upright to the full ability of their backs. Few models are ducking, slouching and so on. I loved how the old Guardsmen looked a lot more human and fluid in how the where posed. Unlike the stiff back legions of today.

4. I dislike the rocks on many of the new characters that seem to be more normal now. The way many characters are made make them monopose but HARDER to convert. The new commissar for example is put together in such a weird way that it takes more skill to convert when you add in how the model is put together and the stupid rock propping up his leg (which looks like the other rocks all the other models are standing on). Things like putting scars on models annoy me too. They should make their models generic so we can add rocks or scars to models, rather than have to take them away.

5. Huge melee weapons. The knives and so on a massive and more chunky than the models excess chunky seems to handle. The grenades tend to be huge as well.

I guess most of my complaints revolve around how the models themselves dont look normal. In any way. It bugs me. Its one of the many factors that pushes me closer to playing historic games.

1) Unpainted armies. It doesn't look like anything when its all gray.

2) Skull factor on recent terrain and ROB board.

3) Eldar Jetbikes. They look so terrible I refuse to purchase despite their in game awesomeness.

4) Catachans. I think they're all terrible looking, but haven't seen them hit a table in quite awhile.

5) The santa sled is complete gak.

1. Skull dozer. Most ridiculously stupid thing I've seen in a long time.
2. Santa's sleigh. The concept is probably the worst I've seen.
3. The entire deamon line. Seriously, I find all the deamon figures to be flat out ugly and unterrafying.
4. Catachans. A bunch of 80's action heroes running around.
5. Heldrake. Instead of making a bad chaos fighter plane, they went with a giant stork/dragon thing that has nothing to do with chaos. It was the start of the power ranger look to the Chaos Marine line.

1. The Kroot fluff. Giving birth by throwing up. Learning new things by eating someone who knows the new thing. Unless the fluff has changed since i read the old WD article.
2. Chaos. Although i saw a squad of Death Gaurd in the showcase that looked cool. Otherwise i just dislike all the models.
3. Dark Eldar. Everything about them.
4. The SM model scale issue.
5. Grimdark. Although i love it in some ways, some of the comedy/fun from the 90's would get me collecting a lot more.

1 - The direction of the new ork designs. I get that they are ramshackle, but not that ramshackle. I hate all the extra details added like bolts and bits of metal shards stapled to them (I'm talking about the infantry guys, not the vehicles) for no apparent reason.

2 - Centurions - Just so bad looking.

3 - Marine flyers - Pretty much just fail on all accounts.

4 - The Dread Knight for every reason that has already been said.

5 - Sanguinary Guard - Lets put giant wings next to jump pack exhaust and give everyone a gigantic sword thus forcing melee. With giant wings strapped to their backs.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
1) Tau

I wasn't playing GW games when Tau came out. First time I saw them was on /tg/ years after. I thought it was a joke. Still wish it was.

In no particular order.

5) Daemons, I don't find any of them very aesthetically pleasing. Nurgle models ain't bad but I hate nurgle. Tzeentch is bubble gum, khorne is generic and boring and slaanesh... ugh. Not to mention unless you run mono-god daemon army they tend to look like nyan cat threw up on your table. All the different colours for the different types of daemons destroys any sense of unity the army could ever hope to accomplish. And the codex "artwork". Good on you gw for tyring new art styles but I'm srry the daemo codex artwork has 0 appeal for me. (This daemon rant got out of hand...) I'm also adding possesed marines and obliterators/mutilators to this. GW has no idea how to make a good looking daemonically altered being.

4) Not updating models army-wide (letting some models get into their venerable years but updating others within the same force regularly). Point in case, some of the new eldar stuff looks great (obviously not everyone will agree but at least we can agree it's not the worst?) But then there's the jetbikes. I don't mind the bikes themselves, they look ok still. But those riders... so dated, so awkward, so... cone head. The new guardians look alright, even the cone-head is toned down. But those god-awful ancient eldar bike riders.

3) SoB exorcist tanks. I know it's themed but really gw? An organ? Atleast try to make it look like a weapon please...Nope, ok fine then. I'm strapping chaos havoc launchers to a rhino till you do. On a side note: the penitent engine and by extention dread knight. As stated before they look like baby carriers. No armored behemoth of war should ever have their pilot just hanging there waiting for a guardsman to shine a laser pointer in their eye so long they go blind...

2) Khorne lord of skulls. What even is that thing supposed to be? It's so impractical and... Ugh. Nuff said.

1) The scale of the space marines. They look good on their own in my opinion but then you stand them next to and Eldar guardian or a guardsman and their "I'm a 9-foot tall genetically enhanced ancient being bred for war" soon becomes "hey! who put the dwarf in power armour again?"

On a side note I would like to defend the centurions on one point. I don't care what they look like as a space marine but if you throw some spiky bits on them and a small amount of green stuff (with some defacing or scraping off of the imperial aquilas) they make perfect chaos obliterators. They even have enough weapons in the box to pretty much make them WYSIWYG on the table when comparing to the obliterators morphing weapon table. So it's not all bad guys, they serve an important purpose.

Last note: Let us all thank GW too for this because if they didn't put out the odd terrible looking model then we wouldn't have the creative drive to make some of the amazing and truly unique custom modelled armies we have today.

1: Space Wolves in general. Particularly the character Wolfy wolfborn of wolf planet of the space wolves chapter.
2: Grey Knight baby carrier.
3: The Blood Angels rejig. Yes we get they've got a dodgy set of genetics, but could we perhaps avoid putting the word blood in front of every piece of wargear we have?

In no particular order

1.Posing: i find the unimaginary posing of most of GW line incredibly annoyingsome, most figures are either at the patrol or just some dull pose, id rather much see some more dynamic kits, especially for human forces

2. scale: whils i dont mind heroic scale i just wish some of the weapons made more sense, and also that non-power armoured humans and whatnot were a bit smaller and more normal looking

3. mk7 armour: so round and hideous the older marks look much cooler

4. Bare faces, im not a fan of the grimacing heads and the horrific scouts, id rather more action poses such as bellowing rage, exhastion, pain etc

5. Armour decoration: the decoration is just getting to much, many of my marine forces especially the stern/van guard have gone under the knife. its still plain dull mk7 armour regardless of how many little tokens and those ridiculous oath strips they slap on them

There are few things I find really displeasing in 40k, generally I like the hobby because I love quite some of the models, like many more and the most of the rest is at least at par.

However, my few exceptions:

- 2nd edition Plague Marines. I just hate them for some reason I can't even tell. And I love the current Plague Marines, so it's not the fluff or something like that.
- That sororitas model with the two putto angels. Seriously, I can't understand housewives buying those things and putting them on the mantelpiece, why would someone want to have that on his wargaming mini?!
- Some of the old "humour"/over the top stuff. I think the new Noise Marine kits are better in that they just allude at instruments and the body pose of the models is similar to how instruments would be held. The old noise marines were just too much. It's funnier if it's not spoken out directly.

 mitch_rifle wrote:
In no particular order

1.Posing: i find the unimaginary posing of most of GW line incredibly annoyingsome, most figures are either at the patrol or just some dull pose, id rather much see some more dynamic kits, especially for human forces

2. scale: whils i dont mind heroic scale i just wish some of the weapons made more sense, and also that non-power armoured humans and whatnot were a bit smaller and more normal looking

3. mk7 armour: so round and hideous the older marks look much cooler

4. Bare faces, im not a fan of the grimacing heads and the horrific scouts, id rather more action poses such as bellowing rage, exhastion, pain etc

5. Armour decoration: the decoration is just getting to much, many of my marine forces especially the stern/van guard have gone under the knife. its still plain dull mk7 armour regardless of how many little tokens and those ridiculous oath strips they slap on them

If you look again, there's some Mk IV and Mk VI there too.

1) Space Marines: too much bling on 40k marines. The are supposed to be space knights, not space gansta rappers. 30k got it right.

2) Chaos. The more it corrupts you, the more makes you look like a cartoon villain.

3) Tau: I actually love the art style as it reminds me of scifi greats like Elson and Foss. Why didn't GW hire a real mechanical designer to flesh it out? Tau suits and vehicles look like cheap knock offs of Japanese mecha shows.

4) Forgeworld Tyranids. Egan somehow managed to turn the Geiger inspired 3rd edition designs in to uninspired and misshapen blobs.

5) Newcrons: Terminators>Space Mummies

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
In no particular order...

1. Hero scale in general. Realistic scale looks so much better. I think it's half the reason I prefer DKOK. Cadians would look so much cooler if they were realistic scale instead of bobble head scale.

2. Demons. Pretty much all of them. There are SO many cool ways demons can be modelled... GW have completely missed the mark. The only demon model I kind of like is the FW Bloodthirster.

3. The tendancy to over-bling models. With each new release, models for some reason have to be more and more blinged up. GW have seemingly lost the concept that something simple can look cool.

4. Eldar cone heads. Eldar are one of those armies I skirt around possibly collecting but never do, one of the big reasons I don't is the cone head helmets.

5. Ork vehicles have started to look too much like junk. I like the idea that they might be made from junk and repaired with junk, but IMO they've gone too far. This probably goes back to the "over blinged" thing. You look at Ork vehicles now and you can't tell what's what on them because there's too much junk. If there's no space to even paint some emblems on the vehicle because there's too much detail, IMO it's gone a bit too far.

mmmmm you know heroic scale is smaller heads......right?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
1: Space Wolves in general. Particularly the character Wolfy wolfborn of wolf planet of the space wolves chapter.
2: Grey Knight baby carrier.
3: The Blood Angels rejig. Yes we get they've got a dodgy set of genetics, but could we perhaps avoid putting the word blood in front of every piece of wargear we have?

For some reason, naming things has always been difficult for GW.
Would you like a Blood Angels Furioso with Blood Talons or Blood Fists? Or maybe make him a psyker so he can use Blood Boil?

Canis Wolfborn is litralla translated into Wolf Wolfborn. Seriously.

And let's not forget Ferrus Manus! From 1d4chan, where they summed it up:

Iron Hands, who had iron hands, was the leader of the Iron Hands, who give themselves iron hands in honor of the iron hands of Iron Hands.

They tried...

 Mythra wrote:

All their flying vehicles don't look like they can fly. Blocky and ugly. Nothing sleeK. The terminator one I use I like way better.

Yeah, this is something I find irritating. It doesn't even come under 'rule of cool' because most of the fliers just look ugly - with the absolute worst being the flying clown shoe. It looks like someone strapped jet-engines to a cargo crate. Maybe that would work for Orks, but I'd have thought the Imperium would have access to something a bit more impressive.

Honestly- not really bothered by Iron Hands much since they have some interesting background material. Plus he fought a C'tan and then wore that douche as gloves for the rest of his life lol.


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 vipoid wrote:

 Mythra wrote:

All their flying vehicles don't look like they can fly. Blocky and ugly. Nothing sleeK. The terminator one I use I like way better.

Yeah, this is something I find irritating. It doesn't even come under 'rule of cool' because most of the fliers just look ugly - with the absolute worst being the flying clown shoe. It looks like someone strapped jet-engines to a cargo crate. Maybe that would work for Orks, but I'd have thought the Imperium would have access to something a bit more impressive.

Not sure about clown shoe but I'd say more of a flying wolf pen with reinforced shipping container bits..

Chainswords - not only is it mental that these weapons give the same assault bonus as a rusty ork choppa in the crunch but they just wouldn't work the way the fluff portrays.

Skulls - too many skulls

Marine pistol holsters not even being big enough for laspistols...

Marine shotguns - not only hideous but why do they fire solid slugs.. I mean come on buckshot against nids would be more effective!!

Hurricaine bolters - the same ones on land raider crusaders are as powerful on those attached to centurion suits...

 throwoff wrote:
Chainswords - not only is it mental that these weapons give the same assault bonus as a rusty ork choppa in the crunch but they just wouldn't work the way the fluff portrays.

Could you elaborate on them not working as the fluff portrays?

I suspect that in RL any weapon like that would either quickly get gummed-up with entrails and such, or else lodge in their victim's bone and wrench itself out of the hand of its wielder. But, I'm wondering if you meant something different.

1) Walking battlesuits being employed in terrain where one could just use tanks.

2) Giant monsters being better than armored tanks.

3) Tanks that can't move and fire any better than they could in World War I.

4) Tau

5) Tyranids.

OgreChubbs wrote:
mmmmm you know heroic scale is smaller heads......right?

Uh, no. Heroic scale is why Space Marine and Sister of Battle heads are the same size as Space Marine and Sister of Battle helmets.

throwoff wrote:
Marine shotguns - not only hideous but why do they fire solid slugs.. I mean come on buckshot against nids would be more effective!!

Hurricaine bolters - the same ones on land raider crusaders are as powerful on those attached to centurion suits...

You're kidding, right? Buckshot would increase the 'nids armour save from 5+ to 4+. Buckshot does not penetrate well.

In fact, the only reason it's called Buckshot is because 'Duckshot' sounds less manly. Buckshot is only really used for hunting birds.

As for Hurricane Bolters, you do realise that the Hurricane Bolter is literally a battlefield jury-rig (originally) made by linking six regular Godwyn-pattern bolters to a single mount and trigger, right?

 vipoid wrote:

 throwoff wrote:
Chainswords - not only is it mental that these weapons give the same assault bonus as a rusty ork choppa in the crunch but they just wouldn't work the way the fluff portrays.

Could you elaborate on them not working as the fluff portrays?

I suspect that in RL any weapon like that would either quickly get gummed-up with entrails and such, or else lodge in their victim's bone and wrench itself out of the hand of its wielder. But, I'm wondering if you meant something different.

Pretty much that, also no material would be effective against armour, flesh, sinew and emperor knows what else all at once. It's fundamentally a poor design of weapon.

Wonderfully grimdark but that's about it.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
mmmmm you know heroic scale is smaller heads......right?

Uh, no. Heroic scale is why Space Marine and Sister of Battle heads are the same size as Space Marine and Sister of Battle helmets.

throwoff wrote:
Marine shotguns - not only hideous but why do they fire solid slugs.. I mean come on buckshot against nids would be more effective!!

Hurricaine bolters - the same ones on land raider crusaders are as powerful on those attached to centurion suits...

You're kidding, right? Buckshot would increase the 'nids armour save from 5+ to 4+. Buckshot does not penetrate well.

In fact, the only reason it's called Buckshot is because 'Duckshot' sounds less manly. Buckshot is only really used for hunting birds.

As for Hurricane Bolters, you do realise that the Hurricane Bolter is literally a battlefield jury-rig (originally) made by linking six regular Godwyn-pattern bolters to a single mount and trigger, right?

Grimdark adamantium depleted uranium poisoned buckshot