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2014/10/14 06:00:51
Subject: The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - 3rd Edition Pre-Order Info!
If you have the micro-arts studio apartments, Comanche bunkers, & Kum garage you really don't need the Moto Tronics set. But it is quite useful along with the game mat for small learning games. And if you print some iKubes and such from Topo Solitario like those here http://www.toposolitario.com/workshop/index_papermodels.html and assemble them, you can expand your Moto Tronics stuff nicely. Stack iKubes for taller elements.
Command tokens. I wonder what else they will do. That moving a unit from one combat group to another is an interesting dynamic.
Just wanted to post this because it doesnt seem to have been said in the previous page, the new Antenocitis stuff iirc is their preview items for their upcoming kickstarter.
* Templates ignore bonuses to partial cover (no +3 ARM).
* If you have LOS to the attacker, you can dodge a template attack at a normal PH roll (No more -6). If you do not have LOS, you may still dodge at a -3. If you choose to shoot, it's a straight normal roll.
Diagrams:
No LOS, no hit.
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You may hit enemies vertically.
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If you do not have LOS to the target you're trying to hit with a template weapon, you may not hit it. The concept of a "blast focus". In this scenario, the enemy on the bottom may declare an ARO. The top model is unaffected and does not get an ARO.
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Allied figures do not block LOS with regards to templates.
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The origin of the template is anywhere from inside the silhouette. Not beside. This includes vertically.
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However, with a shotgun, the blast focus is located differently. New N3 Rule: In this scenario, even if the frontmost enemy decides to shoot back against the shotgunner, the template is still placed (regardless of the shotgun roll) and the other two hit models must react accordingly. This works the same with Rocket Launchers. These are called Terminal Templates to contrast to the Direct Templates with flamethrowers and chain rifles. This whole concept is rather complex and may require watching the video.
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Summary.
In that photographed summary scenario, the furthest Fusilier is facing away and would normally not get an ARO. However, because the shotgun places her under the template as a Terminal Template, she may now perform an ARO (to dodge at -3). The dodges are all face-to-face rolls against the shotgunner.
Note that also in this scenario, even if the frontmost fusilier shoots back against the shotgunner and succeeds, he is not hit. However, the shotgun template is not negated and the other two Fusiliers must ARO or be hit.
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2014/10/14 18:00:44
Subject: The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - 3rd Edition Pre-Order Info!
Yeah, I'm really really glad I didn't convert all my shotguns into other things, now (mainly combis because they hide the Lt. better in most linkteams). I was about to do that before N3 was announced.
The change to make templates affect secondary targets regardless of whether the first target wins/loses the FtoF roll is a really good indicator that tangled "quantum" rules issues have been cleared up. Such a good sign!
Now we see if they cleared up the nasty ZoCAROs issues that jerks use to force change of facing instead of something like dodge. If that got fixed, N3 is in a good place. If not, the player community may have to agree on some "universal houserules" to make the game more playable.
Infinity: Way, way better than 40K and more affordable to boot!
"If you gather 250 consecutive issues of White Dwarf, and burn them atop a pyre of Citadel spray guns, legend has it Gwar will appear and answer a single rules-related question. " -Ouze
2014/10/14 19:52:22
Subject: The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - 3rd Edition Pre-Order Info!
Now we see if they cleared up the nasty ZoCAROs issues that jerks use to force change of facing instead of something like dodge. If that got fixed, N3 is in a good place. If not, the player community may have to agree on some "universal houserules" to make the game more playable.
My actual gameplay experience with INFINITY is limited - what exactly is that about?
Now we see if they cleared up the nasty ZoCAROs issues that jerks use to force change of facing instead of something like dodge. If that got fixed, N3 is in a good place. If not, the player community may have to agree on some "universal houserules" to make the game more playable.
My actual gameplay experience with INFINITY is limited - what exactly is that about?
Exactly what it says - you get behind them, in their ZOC, with your first short skill, which forces a change facing ARO. Then you can unload on them unopposed with your second. It's especially nasty with the sepsitor, which turns it into a straight WIP roll to possess a model. At WIP 16, minimum. The issue is, you can't delay your ARO, you have to use it immediately or lose it.
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion."
-Norman Schwartzkopf
Bolt will have the veteran rule (no retreat when in loss of lieutenant and retreat state) so they will be less crappy
Still waiting for the N3 bipandra buff ... :p
Sangarn wrote: Still waiting for the N3 bipandra buff ... :p
There was no buff incoming, they said that N3 would explain why she was paying for both the Doctor skill and a Medkit. This is explained by Medkits now having Pistol range, B2, and heal on a Ph-3 roll. So she can heal with that at range or as a Doctor in base to base contact.
I need a white metal IV and Kneadatite enema! Stat!!
Just went through over 200 pages of Infinity News and Rumours... and Whining and Bickering. And I am so pumped! Feels like home. Pretty much everything on my wishlist last I was here has been fulfilled too so I'm calculating an order already! With N3 dropping I absolutely have to find a group and start playing... or build a table and start my own group.
Pacific wrote:So I'm guessing that must be 'Maya', the 24th century equivalent of the MS Paperclip?
Hah!
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Well it is, but they didn't specifically say a buff was coming, which was my point. They said they were going to clarify why she was paying for a medkit she wasn't going to use.
Now we see if they cleared up the nasty ZoCAROs issues that jerks use to force change of facing instead of something like dodge. If that got fixed, N3 is in a good place. If not, the player community may have to agree on some "universal houserules" to make the game more playable.
My actual gameplay experience with INFINITY is limited - what exactly is that about?
Exactly what it says - you get behind them, in their ZOC, with your first short skill, which forces a change facing ARO. Then you can unload on them unopposed with your second. It's especially nasty with the sepsitor, which turns it into a straight WIP roll to possess a model. At WIP 16, minimum. The issue is, you can't delay your ARO, you have to use it immediately or lose it.
I don't get it, isn't it SUPPOSED to work that way, though? You spend your ARO turning around, they surprised you, caught you from behind. Flat-footed. Off guard.
Or is it a matter of "it should work that way logically but mechanically it's unbalanced"?
Sangarn wrote: Still waiting for the N3 bipandra buff ... :p
There was no buff incoming, they said that N3 would explain why she was paying for both the Doctor skill and a Medkit. This is explained by Medkits now having Pistol range, B2, and heal on a Ph-3 roll. So she can heal with that at range or as a Doctor in base to base contact.
This is the worst tax for the synergy given.
Bolts's saving grace might be the missing profile or new ITS.
2014/10/15 05:24:41
Subject: The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - 3rd Edition Pre-Order Info!
I dunno. If you're not paying for a palbot, the ranged medigun will have situational viability. Sometimes you don't want your doctors arse shot off trying to save someone. you just prefer to have them mistake their medigun for a pistol and finish the enemies job for them.
2014/10/15 05:36:07
Subject: The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - 3rd Edition Pre-Order Info!
Plain paramedics can do the same for much cheaper cost. You will also always try to take a pal bot with a doctor. If the doctor is unable to move out of total cover, you'll likely want to spend orders on removing the threat rather than trying to hit your wounded model and then have it perform PH - 3 check.
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2014/10/15 06:06:37
Subject: The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - 3rd Edition Pre-Order Info!
Not sure about those as new CA minis? Sure I read something about the Sogarat and new concept art for that, although I may have confused it for a Suryat?
Knight wrote: Plain paramedics can do the same for much cheaper cost.
But that Paramedic won't have the doctor option in base to base.
Knight wrote: You will also always try to take a pal bot with a doctor.
Incorrect. That's purely a personal playstyle choice. i've taken doctors without palbots before, and I will again. Palbots to me are point fillers. I won't go out of my way to include them. Again, a personal playstyle choice.
Knight wrote: If the doctor is unable to move out of total cover, you'll likely want to spend orders on removing the threat rather than trying to hit your wounded model and then have it perform PH - 3 check.
And what if your palbot is on the other side of the board, and trying to get there will take it through overlapping fields of fire from AROs? Afterall, the point of a palbot is to put the doctoring ability in more than one place. Keeping it next to the doctor is pointless. Then you'd have to rely on the doctor. And you don't want the doctor to get shot, and you'd likely either let them rot, or risk the medikit.
I never said it was always going to be the option you went with. but it is a situationally effective option, and a choice you make when you take Bipandra over, say, a Trauma Doc. And it does justify why she's paying for both - because the medkit isn't just turning it into an ineffective doctor, making it redundant on Bipandra.
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Micky wrote: Not sure it was in this video, but in one of these videos i think Carlos also mentioned that Impetuous troops can't benefit from cover either?
Mentioned at the Feast of Blades conference. Impetuous units (and bikes that aren't Impetuous) won't get cover bonuses of +3 ARM or -3 BS to hit them. At all, not just in the Impetuous order as as first speculated.
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