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I've been expecting something along these lines for a while, but I figured with as unwilling to change as GW are, it would not happen until the company financials were in much more dire straits.

I wonder about if this is intended to change the scale of WFB as well. As much as GW would love to sell us the 100s of models required to make proper blocks of fantasy infantry at their inflated prices, that's one of the things holding new players back. I can well imagine some soulless accountant at GW HQ pressuring staff to make it into a skirmish game like 40K.

It's a terrible decision that I think will ruin WFB, but lets be honest- I've thought WFB was ruined for the last several years already. The franchise has been circling the drain since the last Beastmen reboot.

 Scrub wrote:
It doesn't sound too bad, I can think of a worse direction to take it... such as introducing round bases! (Which I don't believe considering all of the large kits now coming with square/rectangular jobbies)

Definitely not expanding with any more Fantasy armies now though (it's my favourite war game!) so on the bright side, this rumour has sworn me off of purchasing any fantasy stuff until the summer, no Skaven or Undead for me!

Not to be Johnny Raincloud, but GW has already shown that they give not a feth when it comes to whimsically changing base sizes or styles without a moment's notice.

Well, this sounds absolutely terrible. The best part of Fantasy was the setting, and now they're completely ruining it. These 'fantasy space marines' are possibly the worst idea ever. One of the strong points of FB setting, was that the Chaos really felt menacing, as it opposed only my mere humans with steel, gunpowder and guts.

Now, I can understand the need to combine some armies, Chaos should never been separated in several different armies, same with the undead. But all rest of this nonsense... Sigmar save us!

If this is true...

1. My mates at Mantic are going to make a killing. Kings of War is already an incredibly system, and if WHFB as we know it goes away, that system will just look that much better, AND will be an inviting home for all those with now obsolete armies.

2. It would probably be the single greatest act of ill-will GW will have done to its fans since "Squats"

3. Begrudgingly, i'd admit to being interested in trying the game once the gak-storm blew over.

I think Darnok's getting trolled.

Well I've been looking at getting into fantasy lately, luckily I haven't made any significant purchases...

I'm not sure I believe it, but maybe I should wait and see what happenes...

 pretre wrote:
I think Darnok's getting trolled.

I really hope so!

I am in two minds about this, should the rumours be true (and to be fair this is coming from Darnok, arguably the premier rumour revealer of recent times). On the one hand fantasy does need something to increase the player base and popularity...but gutting it completely does seem a bit drastic.

Then again if GW are going in a completely new direction it is an exciting break from the past, but one that will probably lose more customers than gain them. The other issue is if the old model range is being dumped, and that is a hell of a lot of miniatures, the lead time in being fully aware of it will prevent people from stocking up on the models/armies that they want.

So possibly exciting, and nervous, times ahead.

Seeing Warmahordes overtaking Fantasy sales could elicit this response from them.

Over course simply releasing a game bigger than Mordheim but smaller than WHFB that uses the same models as a gateway to Fantasy would be too logical a response.

Positives of this:
-None
-Zilch
- all

Negatives of this:
-Killing WHF

This makes me scared and deeply worried. Please GW dont kill a fan.

 pretre wrote:
I think Darnok's getting trolled.

Or GW are trying to oust leaks at the company...seems a bit of a far fetched way to go about it though.

From a neutralish perspective I find it quite exciting tbh.
That dosent mean I dont feel for oldschool whfb players but coming from 2nd 40k to 3rd we all survived.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I am in two minds about this, should the rumours be true (and to be fair this is coming from Darnok, arguably the premier rumour revealer of recent times).

You must have a different definition of 'Premier'.

Darnok (from Warseer) - Total rumors: (49 TRUE) / (17 FALSE) / (9 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
What is that... 65% correct?

versus say Lords of Wargaming:

Lords of Wargaming - Total rumors: (21 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
~96%

Smaller sample size though innit, and I did say arguably. Darnok is a single source, is/are Lords of Wargaming just one person?

 Ratius wrote:
From a neutralish perspective I find it quite exciting tbh.
That dosent mean I dont feel for oldschool whfb players but coming from 2nd 40k to 3rd we all survived.

Except the Squats players of course.

Haha touché

Changes to fantasy have been in the works for a while now, ever since that picture of the 'new' empire battalion got released:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Smaller sample size though innit, and I did say arguably. Darnok is a single source, is/are Lords of Wargaming just one person?

Darnok is hardly a 'single source' since he claims the rumors come from all sorts of 'birdies'. The bulk of Darnok's trues are also from 2012, not recent.

 Crimson wrote:
Well, this sounds absolutely terrible. The best part of Fantasy was the setting, and now they're completely ruining it. These 'fantasy space marines' are possibly the worst idea ever. One of the strong points of FB setting, was that the Chaos really felt menacing, as it opposed only my mere humans with steel, gunpowder and guts.

Now, I can understand the need to combine some armies, Chaos should never been separated in several different armies, same with the undead. But all rest of this nonsense... Sigmar save us!

I agree that the fantasy space marines as described sound awful. That said, if they released new sculpts of Reiksguard knights on foot that might actually entice me to buy a WHFB kit again.

Also looking at Darnok's record.. a good chuck of the false are from the pancake edition which a lot of folks got caught out on.. and four codex release dates a year in advance.. which may well be GW changing the schedule themselves.

His recent record has been very accurate, especially regarding Warhammer.

Now, I sicerly hope that the Harlequin rumours that Darnok started is false, since it would imply that his source are not reliable

No.

GW may be stupid, but they're not THAT stupid.

Unless they're seriously considering wrapping up the business.

I was thinking- if fantasy as we know it disappears to be replaced by brand new armies with all new units(that naturally invalidate all of the current models), that in effect would also put an end to a lot of the me-too type companies that like to ride on GW's coattails in terms of producing proxy models.

I'm reminded of when D&D introduced Dark Sun. Brave new world and all that...

 Alpharius wrote:
I think we'll be left with tears in rain...

You can cry on Orion's shoulder.

 pretre wrote:
I think Darnok's getting trolled.

Finally joining Dakka² merely for this: I so hope you are right.

If this happens, you better believe existing fans will keep 8th edition alive...turning it into a 'Living Edition' if you will, like several of the older Specialist games. I'm not interested in a gutting of the Warhammer Fantasy game or setting...I really hope this isn't true, and that if it is true, I hope the model range will still be available in some capacity...I mean once the molds are manufactured, its costs pennies to fill them with styrene...ugh...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I think we'll be left with tears in rain...

You can cry on Orion's shoulder.

They sure do make the C-beams glitter nice though!

 Fango wrote:
If this happens, you better believe existing fans will keep 8th edition alive...turning it into a 'Living Edition' if you will, like several of the older Specialist games. I'm not interested in a gutting of the Warhammer Fantasy game or setting...I really hope this isn't true, and that if it is true, I hope the model range will still be available in some capacity...I mean once the molds are manufactured, its costs pennies to fill them with styrene...ugh...

That's all well and good for people with gaming groups and stuff though, I have enough trouble finding games for games that are actually supported!

 Darnok wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I think Darnok's getting trolled.

Finally joining Dakka² merely for this: I so hope you are right.

Welcome to Dakka, Darnok!

Let me know if I need to make any updates to your tracker or if I missed anything.

There have been similar rumours about WHFB every time a new edition is forthcoming. So I am not holding my breath.

Of course, eventually they might prove correct, who knows.