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Relapse wrote:
The kid was suspended, not just told off, but guns and white people are definitely not something obama, who sends multiple reps to muggers funerals, is big on.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/student-suspended-for-pop-tart-gun_n_2903500.html

Obama "doesn't care" about all the poor white people? Are your feelings hurt? If so, I need you to fill out this form:


Jesus fething Christ, how am I not surprised that less than two pages in, the usual suspects are already race-baiting? Some how this thread about something so incredibly stupid got even dumber.

 nels1031 wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:


"Being told off" =/= suspended. Unless its slang for something different for foreigners.

Suspension is a complete removal from the educational environment,placing them into the care of their parents/guardians for however long the school chooses. This can place incredible pressure on a family, particularly if all parties usually work while the child is suspended. So yes, it can dampen ones enthusiasm to education as a whole.

And I say that as someone who was suspended once in middle school and again in high school.

He was suspended here, too.

So whilst the child being suspended for playing with a poptart gun is ridiculous, schools are not generally meant to encourage you to play with your food. They are, however, meant to encourage you to take an active interest in your learning and support you with that.

So you can apply the exact same punishment in both cases but it will be worse in the latter as the school is going directly against what it is meant to do.

They are also meant to protect the children under their watch, so the English teacher, who thought the item was a bomb, was doing what she felt she was meant to do. The zero tolerance policies on guns in schools, there to protect children, is what the 7 year child was suspended for, not playing with his food.

Yes, the 38 caliber Pop Tart has been instrumental in many fatalities. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
I understand the zero tolence policy for guns, but not food eaten into particular shapes.


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 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

Relapse wrote:
The kid was suspended, not just told off, but guns and white people are definitely not something obama, who sends multiple reps to muggers funerals, is big on.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/student-suspended-for-pop-tart-gun_n_2903500.html

Obama "doesn't care" about all the poor white people? Are your feelings hurt? If so, I need you to fill out this form:

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Jesus fething Christ, how am I not surprised that less than two pages in, the usual suspects are already race-baiting? Some how this thread about something so incredibly stupid got even dumber.

Not race baiting, just stating it as I see it with this clown who sends delegations to the funerals of thieves and bullies, talks about what a scandal it is that they get killed and dog piles cops while remaining silent on the spate of cop killings. He's a race baiting divider and I'll be happy the day he's out of the White House.

Relapse wrote:

Yes, the 38 caliber Pop Tart has been instrumental in many fatalities.

I lost quite a few buddies in the 2nd Great Food War of 1999. I almost lost an eye to an Orange Drink container thrown like a grenade. Its no laughing matter.

You weren't there man. You weren't there.

 nels1031 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Yes, the 38 caliber Pop Tart has been instrumental in many fatalities.

I lost quite a few buddies in the 2nd Great Food War of 1999. I almost lost an eye to an Orange Drink container thrown like a grenade. Its no laughing matter.

You weren't there man. You weren't there.

I did my bit. I worked in the great toast drive that procured 700 slices from my town alone. I might not have been on the front lines, or even in the food services, but I was keeping you supplied with the weapons you needed.

I've... seen things... you people wouldn't believe. Milk cartons on fire off the shoulder of 3rd-hour English; I watched Cheez-beams glitter in the dark near the Admin Parking Gate... All those... moments... will be lost, in time, like tears... in... rain. Time... to die.

 Psienesis wrote:
I've... seen things... you people wouldn't believe. Milk cartons on fire off the shoulder of 3rd-hour English; I watched Cheez-beams glitter in the dark near the Admin Parking Gate... All those... moments... will be lost, in time, like tears... in... rain. Time... to die.

It was the fault of those bastards higher up the food chain that our veterans from these times aren't getting even crumbs.

 Psienesis wrote:
I've... seen things... you people wouldn't believe. Milk cartons on fire off the shoulder of 3rd-hour English; I watched Cheez-beams glitter in the dark near the Admin Parking Gate... All those... moments... will be lost, in time, like tears... in... rain. Time... to die.

Well played.

Putting toilet bowl cleaner and aluminum foil in a container together counts as a science fair project these days?

 cincydooley wrote:
Putting toilet bowl cleaner and aluminum foil in a container together counts as a science fair project these days?

Hey, apparently the teachers hosting the thing didn't know what the reaction would do so it seems like it was educational to at least some people.

Are we really saying that race/religion is the only reason why Ahmed was treated so badly?

More on topic, less LULZ please.

 whembly wrote:
Are we really saying that race is the only reason why Ahmed was treated so badly?

People, probably.

Personally, I think there's other factors there in addition to the racial element. Technophobia, religious tensions, and a healthy dose of good old fashion "think of the children" post-Columbine paranoia likely all played a factor.

 daedalus wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Are we really saying that race is the only reason why Ahmed was treated so badly?

People, probably.

Personally, I think there's other factors there in addition to the racial element. Technophobia, religious tensions, and a healthy dose of good old fashion "think of the children" post-Columbine paranoia likely all played a factor.

I really think it's a manifestation of "Zero Tolerance" policies rearing it's ugly head here...

 whembly wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Are we really saying that race is the only reason why Ahmed was treated so badly?

People, probably.

Personally, I think there's other factors there in addition to the racial element. Technophobia, religious tensions, and a healthy dose of good old fashion "think of the children" post-Columbine paranoia likely all played a factor.

I really think it's a manifestation of "Zero Tolerance" policies rearing it's ugly head here...

Yeah, that's definitely plausible. Unfortunately, my little brother just graduated high school a year ago, so I can't send him into class with the homemade clock I've been working on prior to this to test out the race factor, but knowing the mouth-breathing hillbillies who administrate that godforsaken hellhole, they'd probably just give it the shotgun treatment.

Hey... you got kids right Whembly? Want to borrow a clock for an experiment?

 whembly wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Are we really saying that race is the only reason why Ahmed was treated so badly?

People, probably.

Personally, I think there's other factors there in addition to the racial element. Technophobia, religious tensions, and a healthy dose of good old fashion "think of the children" post-Columbine paranoia likely all played a factor.

I really think it's a manifestation of "Zero Tolerance" policies rearing it's ugly head here...

That seems entirely the case.

Relapse wrote:
Not race baiting, just stating it as I see it

You have a contradictory statement there.

 Frazzled wrote:
That...doesn't actually look like a clock.

That looks like something that could go boom.

It doesn't look like a clock, but it sure as Hell doesn't look like a bomb. Three circuit boards and a wall plug?

I'm just glad that this has turned out positively in the end for the kid, and will hopefully raise some interesting discussions.

Not worth it, since we've moved beyond that point.

Actually, now I just want to mount a pistol grip, detachable magazine, and a folding stock onto a clock now.

 daedalus wrote:
Actually, now I just want to mount a pistol grip, detachable magazine, and a folding stock onto a clock now.

You mean the thing that makes it easier to hip fire, a 30 magazine clip and a shoulder thing that goes up?

If you want to build a high-powered assault sniper clock, get the terminology correct

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
That...doesn't actually look like a clock.

That looks like something that could go boom.

It doesn't look like a clock, but it sure as Hell doesn't look like a bomb. Three circuit boards and a wall plug?

I'm just glad that this has turned out positively in the end for the kid, and will hopefully raise some interesting discussions.

It doesn't look like something that goes boom to anyone with a working brain, unless you fall for that bs picture. Look at the size of the plug next to it. That whole thing is the size of a pencil case.

Is it normal for American police to take kids out of school in handcuffs? He doesn't seem to have been any threat at all, why handcuff him other than to humiliate him in front of the other kids and teachers?

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
Is it normal for American police to take kids out of school in handcuffs? He doesn't seem to have been any threat at all, why handcuff him other than to humiliate him in front of the other kids and teachers?

I think the full question is: is it normal for American police to have a kid pulled out of class, interrogated without their parents knowledge or a lawyer present whilst the school principal tells the kid to sign a statement and when the kid rightfully refuses to sign said statement they take him away in handcuffs despite him having done absolutely nothing wrong?

I think we had that scared straight program way back when to keep kids from da drugs and stuff. but this is probably a case of the police investigators just going way beyond what he should of been doing

also the principle trying to weasel in a waiver :/

I can't believe that these kind of people are actually teachers. They, along with the teachers involved with the pop tart "gun" situation, are an embarrassment to the profession.

 Hordini wrote:
I can't believe that these kind of people are actually teachers. They, along with the teachers involved with the pop tart "gun" situation, are an embarrassment to the profession.

But that Pop Tart could have gone off anytime, causing cardboard flavored fruit to go flying everywhere!

Also, now I want an Assault Clock.

Guys it most definitely a bomb.
The kid obviously brought it to school to get the actual explosives from a supply and assemble it there.
The guy with the actual explode-y stuff is still their, learning! Quick, scour the school!
The timer counting up is just to fool you into a false sense of security.
Obviously guys, really this is actually the case!!1!!one!

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
Is it normal for American police to take kids out of school in handcuffs? He doesn't seem to have been any threat at all, why handcuff him other than to humiliate him in front of the other kids and teachers?

I think the full question is: is it normal for American police to have a kid pulled out of class, interrogated without their parents knowledge or a lawyer present whilst the school principal tells the kid to sign a statement and when the kid rightfully refuses to sign said statement they take him away in handcuffs despite him having done absolutely nothing wrong?

When some kid in my middle school made a bunch of bomb threats - way back in the late nineties - I was pulled out of class, interrogated by three police officers- basically they insisted that they "knew I did it" and tried to get me to confess for about 30 minutes before they deigned to even call my parents. I didn't get handcuffed or anything, but I assume that this is just logical progression in a post 9-11 world.

This kind of incident happened to me precisely. I built a radio in a cigar box during 8th grade (this was pre-9/11), to model after something used by the french resistance.

It got found by a different teacher during homeroom, and a bomb scare got called. I had to show up to the principal's office and talked to the local police officer.

I didn't get suspended, but this sort of thing is really not new. Before radical religious terrorists, the fear was of colombine-esque deranged kids. His name being of middle eastern origin does not help at all. Still, glad to hear POTUS reached out like that. And despite my incident, I became an Engineer anyway

I think in some cases the school is considered the parent, I may be wrong though. I am sure the aclu will step in fairly soon if his civil rights were violated.