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I think tokens look great in any miniature game, be it w40k, warmachine & hordes, gorkamorka, necromunda, battlefleet gothic, mordheim or Blood Bowl.

I agree that replacing miniatures with tokens look lame. That's not what I was talking about.

What about replacing miniatures with other miniatures? That is, a miniature converted to look appropriately out of it?

That's some serious dedication to modeling
16 minis for a team...16 mines to represent minis knocked down ...16 minis to represent the same minis stunned.

I might as well play WHFB.

 Tyr13 wrote:
What about replacing miniatures with other miniatures? That is, a miniature converted to look appropriately out of it?

In 2nd ed, GW had a few prone figures(for human, dwarf and dark elf) for just this purpose, but sadly, these figures are oop and rare. Also, there were ,iirc, only 2 poses for the humans, and one each for the dwarves and dark elves.

Kinda cool, if you can find them.

So, Dwarfs are up for pre-order tonight/tomorrow, right?

 Arbitrator wrote:
So, Dwarfs are up for pre-order tonight/tomorrow, right?

No. They won't be available until sometime in February.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
So, Dwarfs are up for pre-order tonight/tomorrow, right?

No. They won't be available until sometime in February.

They got pushed back? Blergh.

Do they have a mouse pad material version of the pitch?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Do they have a mouse pad material version of the pitch?

GW don't, Deepcut Studios do...

http://www.deepcutstudio.com/product-category/fantasy-football-mats/

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Do they have a mouse pad material version of the pitch?

GW don't, Deepcut Studios do...

http://www.deepcutstudio.com/product-category/fantasy-football-mats/

GW is working on one though from previous rumors from open day though. Almost like the new CEO is listening, or hired someone to listen to what people have requested .

 Ghaz wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
So, Dwarfs are up for pre-order tonight/tomorrow, right?

No. They won't be available until sometime in February.

How about the Star Players from Forge World?

Are anyone using the transfers that come with the new teams?

For the life of me, I can't see much usage in them. Specially the position texts that's supposed to go on bases. Let's say you use all 12 to label your players. What happens when you buy a big guy? Fill out positions? Surely GW won't give transfers for single models or booster packs? Skaven team already saw player cards gone.

Surprisingly the number transfers go to 16 at least, so they may actually see some usage.

Skaven transfers are blessed with 2 "Rat Ogre" transfers, but only 2 "Gutter Runner" transfers...

Guess I'll be hand painting numbers and text instead.

Baxx wrote:
I really wish they put in optional rules for using tokens for knocked down & stunned, instead of laying the models down. With all these details and brittle parts, highlights are gonna chip off and tails will be broken.

Oh man, this got me thinking. All the bases have little holes in them for the ball, right? And you can't be carrying the ball while you're knocked down/stunned. Which means we could pretty easily design tokens that slot into the bases to indicate that kind of thing! It would be much more obvious than any token that was laying down (since you could give it some decent height, maybe 2 cm or so), couldn't get bumped/moved away from the player it's attached to by accident, and would just generally look pretty good compared to most other token solutions I've seen.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Do they have a mouse pad material version of the pitch?

GW don't, Deepcut Studios do...

http://www.deepcutstudio.com/product-category/fantasy-football-mats/

Awesome thanks!

Zetan wrote:

Baxx wrote:
I really wish they put in optional rules for using tokens for knocked down & stunned, instead of laying the models down. With all these details and brittle parts, highlights are gonna chip off and tails will be broken.

Oh man, this got me thinking. All the bases have little holes in them for the ball, right? And you can't be carrying the ball while you're knocked down/stunned. Which means we could pretty easily design tokens that slot into the bases to indicate that kind of thing! It would be much more obvious than any token that was laying down (since you could give it some decent height, maybe 2 cm or so), couldn't get bumped/moved away from the player it's attached to by accident, and would just generally look pretty good compared to most other token solutions I've seen.

That
Is
Brilliant!

Baxx wrote:
Are anyone using the transfers that come with the new teams?

For the life of me, I can't see much usage in them. Specially the position texts that's supposed to go on bases. Let's say you use all 12 to label your players. What happens when you buy a big guy? Fill out positions? Surely GW won't give transfers for single models or booster packs? Skaven team already saw player cards gone.

Surprisingly the number transfers go to 16 at least, so they may actually see some usage.

Skaven transfers are blessed with 2 "Rat Ogre" transfers, but only 2 "Gutter Runner" transfers...

Guess I'll be hand painting numbers and text instead.

Two Gutter Runners in the box, two transfers for them. Makes sense to me.

Not sure why there needs to be two Rat Ogre ones, since they are 0-1 a team.

I'd rather GW swapped out the redundant Rat Ogre label and replace it with a generic Star Player one.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

Zetan wrote:

Baxx wrote:
I really wish they put in optional rules for using tokens for knocked down & stunned, instead of laying the models down. With all these details and brittle parts, highlights are gonna chip off and tails will be broken.

Oh man, this got me thinking. All the bases have little holes in them for the ball, right? And you can't be carrying the ball while you're knocked down/stunned. Which means we could pretty easily design tokens that slot into the bases to indicate that kind of thing! It would be much more obvious than any token that was laying down (since you could give it some decent height, maybe 2 cm or so), couldn't get bumped/moved away from the player it's attached to by accident, and would just generally look pretty good compared to most other token solutions I've seen.

That
Is
Brilliant!

*cough*

 rayphoton wrote:

16 minis for a team...16 mines to represent minis knocked down ...16 minis to represent the same minis stunned.

Well, now I know I won't ever be able to field a team any other way... time to make 16 downed Dark Elves and another 16 stunned Dark Elves I guess.

Might as weal just make 16 dead dark elves and save some time.

The only good dark elf is dead.

 Mister Feral wrote:

Two Gutter Runners in the box, two transfers for them. Makes sense to me.

Not sure why there needs to be two Rat Ogre ones, since they are 0-1 a team.

I'd rather GW swapped out the redundant Rat Ogre label and replace it with a generic Star Player one.

Makes for a very inconsistent team where 12 players have their position printed out on transfers and applied to the base, while the rest of the team don't.

Or you planning to limit your team on what's available in that box?

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

Zetan wrote:

Baxx wrote:
I really wish they put in optional rules for using tokens for knocked down & stunned, instead of laying the models down. With all these details and brittle parts, highlights are gonna chip off and tails will be broken.

Oh man, this got me thinking. All the bases have little holes in them for the ball, right? And you can't be carrying the ball while you're knocked down/stunned. Which means we could pretty easily design tokens that slot into the bases to indicate that kind of thing! It would be much more obvious than any token that was laying down (since you could give it some decent height, maybe 2 cm or so), couldn't get bumped/moved away from the player it's attached to by accident, and would just generally look pretty good compared to most other token solutions I've seen.

That
Is
Brilliant!

I still don't like the idea, it's fiddly to insert things in to the base hole and a lot of models overhang the base hold so you can't make it terribly tall and some models it wouldn't be all that obvious (Storm Vermin, Orc Blitzers... as the models lean over the base making it hard to see a counter in the hole from many angles).

Baxx wrote:

 Mister Feral wrote:

Two Gutter Runners in the box, two transfers for them. Makes sense to me.

Not sure why there needs to be two Rat Ogre ones, since they are 0-1 a team.

I'd rather GW swapped out the redundant Rat Ogre label and replace it with a generic Star Player one.

Makes for a very inconsistent team where 12 players have their position printed out on transfers and applied to the base, while the rest of the team don't.

Or you planning to limit your team on what's available in that box?

Hopefully it won't be too hard to get spare decals for the Skaven team. The models for Ogres, Trolls, etc haven't come out yet so maybe they'll be getting decals in the future.

I'm holding off putting the name decals on until after more stuff comes out.

Baxx 685799 9137522 wrote:
Makes for a very inconsistent team where 12 players have their position printed out on transfers and applied to the base, while the rest of the team don't.

Or you planning to limit your team on what's available in that box?

First box as standard 11-man team for pick up non-League games, second box to fill out positional (Gutter Runners) and to convert duplicate models for Mutation upgrades - for League games.

I don't think Star Players would need a transfer on their base as they are supposed to be unique models. I'll probably freehand or add a couple of symbols on mine.

I've got all three plastic teams so far (Humans, Orcs, Skaven) but I don't think I'll be expanding the first two for League games until new releases come out for them.

Mind you, I'm still really new to the game so one-off matches are fine for me at this point.

Pick up, non league games are mostly played with 12 figures.

11 on the pitch, and 1 in reserve.


And I suspect most(if not all) of the people stressing over what to do about laying figures down, have not played the game with, you know, another human. And once they do so, they will quickly come to the conclusion that it is FAR easier to just get on with the game and lay the figures down, then, well, stress over what to do about laying figures down.

 bound for glory wrote:

And I suspect most(if not all) of the people stressing over what to do about laying figures down, have not played the game with, you know, another human. And once they do so, they will quickly come to the conclusion that it is FAR easier to just get on with the game and lay the figures down, then, well, stress over what to do about laying figures down.

Not really.

There are actually things you need to keep in mind in Blood Bowl. The boardgame has limitations the video game doesn't - which is why games on the video game are usually faster, because a lot of things are done automatically. One of the most useful (and tricky in the boardgame) is remembering which player played during the turn. Some use tokens, some just turn the model in a particular direction once they played it. All take care to make sure everything is ready for the next turn (removing the tokens, putting the models in the "right" direction after playing their turn...). It doesn't look to take a lot of time, sure, but when you add those one after the other, you realize you do take time doing this.

If you played the boardgame, you know the situation can be quite confusing when there is a crowd of players on their back/front - especially on the old Blood Bowl board, where the squares were smaller. It can be annoying to see exactly on which square they are. Not even talking about the accidental move of some models (a sharp end clinging to your arm or something else).

Thus, using token for stunned/knocked down models isn't stupid or an heresy. It's just a tool like any other, to find something suitable between model caring, easy flow of the game and making sure it doesn't take too much time in the end.

I don't mind laying down models - more if they're plastic than metal, though. Don't really like doing this for resin, since they're more frail. Also, for some very dynamic models, it's hard to tell which one is on the back or on the front. For these cases, tokens are a nice solution.

What's the big deal with lying models down, exactly?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What's the big deal with lying models down, exactly?

What the people who have the problem with laying down figures, have the problem with, is they fear damage to paint work. Now, I've seen some (very) minor damage to figures, yes. But to the extent that it needs ideas to counter? No...

Mean to say, if you are so affraid of a, again, very minor amount of wear...Maybe save the Golden Deamon level paint work for something else.

I think this amount of back and forth about it is Derp.

 bound for glory wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What's the big deal with lying models down, exactly?

What the people who have the problem with laying down figures, have the problem with, is they fear damage to paint work. Now, I've seen some (very) minor damage to figures, yes. But to the extent that it needs ideas to counter? No...

Mean to say, if you are so affraid of a, again, very minor amount of wear...Maybe save the Golden Deamon level paint work for something else.

I think this amount of back and forth about it is Derp.

TBH I can understand this with metal miniatures. They are (IMHO) more prone to chipping.It didn't occur to my plastic or resin minis (even though I suspect that some wobbly PVC or resin might have such problems as well if they are bended too far).

As above. If someone is too violent with their dice and knocks that precarious metal Troll over and it lands on your poor metal line Elf you are going to lose some paint.

I could be entirely bias due to my painting level but I believe their is a big difference between a play with paint job and a display paint job, you don't want to play with a display paint job regardless. Let alone a game when your opponent usually touches your models without too many people thinking about it.

 bound for glory wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What's the big deal with lying models down, exactly?

What the people who have the problem with laying down figures, have the problem with, is they fear damage to paint work. Now, I've seen some (very) minor damage to figures, yes. But to the extent that it needs ideas to counter? No...

Mean to say, if you are so affraid of a, again, very minor amount of wear...Maybe save the Golden Deamon level paint work for something else.

Some of us care about our models even if they aren't Golden Demon standard. It's still 3 hours of my life I spent each Skaven dude and maybe 1-1.5 hours on each Orc, I don't love the idea of them getting damaged.

And yes, I'm one of those players who hates it when other people touch my models

If I didn't care at all about the painting aspect of games then I'd just play regular board games or play with counters or play the video game version.

I think this amount of back and forth about it is Derp.

I can agree with that, though you're contributing to the back and forth so, err, derp is as derp does?

My solution is just going to be to get a mousemat pitch so models don't get scratched on the hard surface of a gloss coated cardboard pitch

I think the whole thing actually came up more because someone suggested models like the Troll Slayer as being awkward to lie down.


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 Vain wrote:
Let alone a game when your opponent usually touches your models without too many people thinking about it.

People should just be more courteous and not touch other peoples' models. I don't touch my opponents models regardless of how good or bad they look.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Vain wrote:
Let alone a game when your opponent usually touches your models without too many people thinking about it.

People should just be more courteous and not touch other peoples' models. I don't touch my opponents models regardless of how good or bad they look.

That is the polar opposite of my opinion.
I am quite happy to have my opponent man(or woman)handle my minis and be in control of where they are tumbling as a result of a block's outcome.
I know the risks to my models and as long as I don't think the other person is a complete dropkick I don't need to say boo. If I have a delicate model or something with fancy fine resin spikes I let them know to be gentle, but other than that, go to town.

 Vain wrote:
I am quite happy to have my opponent man(or woman)handle my minis...

But that's largely immaterial to my point, just because YOU are comfortable with other people touching your stuff doesn't mean you should assume everyone else is fine with you touching their models, hence the polite thing to do is not touch them unless your opponent has said they don't mind.

My "display" models are tucked away in my display shelf, but that doesn't mean I want all the other stuff damaged and I always cringe when people reach for my minis because I also see how poorly some people treat their own miniatures.

While some people are more like me and other people might be more like you, the polite thing to do is just to assume people give a damn about their miniatures and thus avoid handling them.