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 gunslingerpro wrote:
Colored plastic, tokens, and a mat?

Stepping their game up, clearly!

I think the images also may indicate colored plastics?

There's a comma there dude.

But for £30, I could get into WMH.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Oh, and for the love of GOD, remove that idiotic "Page 5".

I like it, and think that removing it would take away some of what Warmachine/Hordes is, even a tiny bit. It's also really good for a new player to see that and understand what the game is sort of like, outside of actual plays.

You mean where it give people an excuse to acts like donkeys and not help new players whatsoever?

Ah, yes, encourages players to act like donkeys, with lines like this:

"Page 5 is not an excuse. Most importantly--and let's state this loud and clear for the record--Page 5 is not permission to be a jackass in the name of competition....And Page 5 is never, ever, EVER a license to diminish another player so you can inflate your own vertically challenge self-esteem"

Also, locally I see only slightly fewer unpainted Warmachine armies than I did for 40K or WHFB, but I suppose every area is different. Did you consider that, perhaps, they're pushing the "it's a hobby, you can paint your stuff" angle because they're trying to encourage people to paint their stuff?

Honestly, just including tokens is already a decent choice, which I appreciate. Not sure I did colored plastic, but I think that might be purely for these photos.

Price seems about right too.

I will say, I expect changes to focus, because some of these boxes.... I can't imagine how you'd be expected to fuel those battle-boxes at a glance. :-p

 Grimtuff wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Oh, and for the love of GOD, remove that idiotic "Page 5".

I like it, and think that removing it would take away some of what Warmachine/Hordes is, even a tiny bit. It's also really good for a new player to see that and understand what the game is sort of like, outside of actual plays.

You mean where it give people an excuse to acts like donkeys and not help new players whatsoever?

Spoken like someone whose never read page 5.

I have.
Let me tell you a story. IT was a journeymen league. First day there. So guess what happens? I get krushed, my opponent didnt even talk to me, he just crushed me. after that all he said was, after I felt sour about my loss, he said "Play like you got a pair" and didnt even attempt to help, be nice or kind or even give me pointers. It left a sour taste in my mouth. This game is competititve, I get that. but it doesnt give people an excuse to be an ass.

I am so iffy on Privateer Press right now, but I also love the game and wanted a new edition badly. We'll see how I feel after reading the rules. I do like the new battleboxes, though I wish they each came with a faction themed mat instead of the same one. I hope the coloured plastics are good plastic and not board game plastic that they immediately made me think of. Including tokens is huge though!

Hmmm. Plastic? The Legion box looks decent.

But...I dunno if I can face repairing all my old metals.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Oh, and for the love of GOD, remove that idiotic "Page 5".

I like it, and think that removing it would take away some of what Warmachine/Hordes is, even a tiny bit. It's also really good for a new player to see that and understand what the game is sort of like, outside of actual plays.

You mean where it give people an excuse to acts like donkeys and not help new players whatsoever?

Spoken like someone whose never read page 5.

I have.
Let me tell you a story. IT was a journeymen league. First day there. So guess what happens? I get krushed, my opponent didnt even talk to me, he just crushed me. after that all he said was, after I felt sour about my loss, he said "Play like you got a pair" and didnt even attempt to help, be nice or kind or even give me pointers. It left a sour taste in my mouth. This game is competititve, I get that. but it doesnt give people an excuse to be an ass.

So you encountered a common garden variety Cockwomble. The game you were playing is irrelevant.

No Mercs or Minions?
And I hoped to get a good reason to start with crocodiles.....

The Trollbloods Box still does not have a beast in it.

WHY

Wasnt the last time someone used "play like you got a pair" as an excuse either against me. Not only that, but the
whole page 5 mentality is what pushed alot of my friends away.
The thing is. I like the game, even after selling my khador army. Its just the fact that people us the game to be an ass more frequently than I see in 40k is what I have seen.

"Rules for Free" is great!

Got nearly all the miniatures I wanted, for Circle, and I don`t like any other faction designs, so I won`t be investing into anything but a couple models to paint (Wrongeye and Snapjaw for example).
That means a new game for me for free
meta doesn`t trouble me,my lists are out of it anyway

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

I have.
Let me tell you a story. IT was a journeymen league. First day there. So guess what happens? I get krushed, my opponent didnt even talk to me, he just crushed me. after that all he said was, after I felt sour about my loss, he said "Play like you got a pair" and didnt even attempt to help, be nice or kind or even give me pointers. It left a sour taste in my mouth. This game is competititve, I get that. but it doesnt give people an excuse to be an ass.

My first game was a tournament and my opponent even stopped the battle clock to explain me stuff or to point out some bad mistakes I did

If the BB's are the same rest rubbish I hope they will also release metal versions of the new casters separately.

I really enjoy WM and look forward to this!

Will there be a book at all? In this day and age I think all games should have free rules, but I like books also for the collectableness.

Yes. Books are being released on 29th June. Core rules will be free to download.

 Souleater wrote:
Yes. Books are being released on 29th June. Core rules will be free to download.

On the 12th of June they're free to download.

Bellevue, WA, April 11, 2016 — Privateer Press has announced new editions of its award-winning WARMACHINE and HORDES tabletop miniatures games. The new editions will be released worldwide in independent hobby game stores on June 29, 2016. Privateer Press will release the new Core Rules for each game for free online on June 12, 2016. Players will get their first chance to play the new edition at Lock & Load GameFest 2016 in Bellevue, WA, held June 10-12.

My statement is correct but thank you for providing the extra information.

Anyone noticing a certain missing warmachine faction?

Really looking forward to the new rules, plus they are FREE. BB are at a great price for new players to get started. I knew something was up when my brother at Adepticon was getting all this free stuff from PP.

Not so impressed with Warcaster tubster there. I'll stick with my venerable metal Kreoss starter.

I might take a look at the rules when they come out, though I doubt they'll be to my taste.

Oh man! As a brand newish player im very excited at this. I do like the rule set but think it could have been polished in a couple areas, cant wait to see the changes. Might turn the game into exaclty what im looking for!

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Not so impressed with Warcaster tubster there. I'll stick with my venerable metal Kreoss starter.

I might take a look at the rules when they come out, though I doubt they'll be to my taste.

According to Primecast from a couple months ago the PoM caster is supposed to be their version of the Butcher and his appearance is based on Vincent D'Onofrio, specifically his role as Kingpin in Daredevil.

Models still bats%£t ugly

First downside, PPS Simon on there forum has stated War Room purchases will have to be made again. However, there will be a discount for people buying factions they already owned in MKII.


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 Motograter wrote:
Models still bats%£t ugly

Ah, such a well balanced and thought out explanation.

 gunslingerpro wrote:
First downside, PPS Simon on there forum has stated War Room purchases will have to be made again. However, there will be a discount for people buying factions they already owned in MKII.

Additionally if you bought the full bundles you get upgraded for free.

Does this mean that my woodsmen might be a good unit for once?

I'm... cautiously optimistic? You won't find a bigger Warmachine hater than me on these boards (or if you do, that guy's got problems), but a new edition has a chance to fix my massive problems with the game. Whether it will or not remains to be seen.

- Colored plastic is great. I played with a group that never painted their figures, and in fact rarely see painted Warmachine figures at all. Making the models have different colors will at the minimum make the battlefield easier to visually parse. Rather than a sea of silver, black, and gray, you'll be able to tell one army from another at a glance. It's a good solution to a weird problem.

- I'm hoping for some 3D terrain. Got sick of playing on the same flat fields with flat forests and slightly less flat hills. The problem wasn't just the economical propensities of the competitive players, but the game itself lacked rules for 3D movement and combat. I won one game by climbing a tower (on the field at my insistence) and my opponent complained that I cheated because there were no rules for that. Unfortunately, the fact that the beginner boxes come with flat terrain maps does not inspire confidence.

- Warjacks! Come on man! If you are going to make a game called "Warmachine", at least make the Warmachines worth playing. I had one guy laugh at me when I put three jacks on the table. Throwing away points, he said.

- More beginner friendly. Each model does like six different things, and has six different attributes on themselves and on their weapons, making it incredibly easy to forget rules while you are playing. Even beyond the combo-heavy nature of the game, there's just a lot to keep in your head about the units themselves. With like 7 or 8 factions and special rules for each faction, each unit, and each model, the game buckles under the weight of what you need to know simply to play a game.

- Not a fan of the combo heavy aspects of the game. I feel that it makes the game too focused on only a few viable army compositions, often forcing you to buy models you don't like and don't want to finish up a combo possibility. It means you can't buy models you do like (like jacks) because they don't fit a specific combo. And it means that not only do new players have to wrestle with a thousand different abilities, attributes, special rules, and faction, they also have to wrestle with the dozen or so major combos for each faction and know the combo breaking tools needed to succeed against them.

- The models need to get a lot fething better. After getting two All-in-One boxes, my opinion of the game and Privateer Press dropped like a rock. I loved the metal models I had, but holy crap, that resin-plastic stuff was/is terrible. I hear they are working on improving on it, so I hope they succeed by Mk3.

 Pipboy101 wrote:
Does this mean that my woodsmen might be a good unit for once?

Never mind about that... My Man O Wars stand ready!

 gunslingerpro wrote:
Colored plastic, tokens, and a mat?

Stepping their game up, clearly!

I am worried now that will be the same bendy plastic they use for their board games.