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 privateer4hire wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
That paint set is fairly cost effective.

Agreed.
I wonder do you get full size containers?


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Davor wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:


Looks like the much-feared Age of Sigmarification of 40k has begun.

Ah someone who doesn't know what is going on or is trying to make a bad joke.

Based on what my buddies who play 40k's current edition say, AoS-ification may not be a bad thing.

Back on topic, the base set is going to be a really good value esp. if you're building an ork force.

No matter what GW does to make 40k less complicated people are going to cry and claim it's the end of the game.
It's going to be a shitstorm because people who play 40k freak out with any change.

gungo wrote:

No matter what GW does to make 40k less complicated people are going to cry and claim it's the end of the game.
It's going to be a shitstorm because people who play 40k freak out with any change.

Seriously this. It's almost as if the Warhammer hobbyists culture is to piss and moan whenever change occurs. I remember when the Dark Eldar got their arguably better 7th ed update, one guy at our LGS dropped the army because they were suddenly terrible. When I asked him what had changed, he told me that they had updated the book.
I honestly believe it falls upon GW as a company failing to establish meaningful context behind the decisions they make. That being said, some people take it too far.

I WANT TO SEE THESE VEDROS RULES APLIED TO EVERY OTHER FACTION!
I like the one page 40k rules, but not many play it just because the fact that it's not "official ". With an official simple ruleset for 40k I think the fan base would be reinvigorated, and dare I say we might see some simple 40k tournaments if we do. But this will only happen if they apply this to at least a majority of the factions and a point system.
Seeing this makes me hopeful.

For the veteran gamer I don't think it's really simple rules that matter so much it's more a quick set up and game play. If people can set up and play a 2k point game under an hour and half most veterans would be happy.

However clear and easily accessible army building rules with simple and easy to grasp base game is what will grav newer players. GW could then add special rules via formations and individual codexs to differentiate and build dynamic and seperately identifiable armies.

That's my hope.

gungo wrote:

No matter what GW does to make 40k less complicated people are going to cry and claim it's the end of the game.
It's going to be a shitstorm because people who play 40k freak out with any change.

Humans as a rule of thumb are against change. Change is coming and initial feeling is invariably going to be negative. That's one of the sources of human suffering. Not realizing life is change.

So yeah any sign of change is going to cause negative turmoil among gamers.

 Ghaz wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Also there a functioning link to a Storefinder

That's just their normal Store Finder, the same as the one on the main Games Workshop website. I don't believe it indicates which stores will be carrying the Vedros kits.

You are probably right, but it was linked to on the Battle for Vedros sight, so you can see where the confusion came from.

That wartrakk sheet reminds me that Gorkamorka Ork artwork is amongst my favourite scifi art and the plastic models are crap and have been at release back then. Urgh. Come on GW.

The plastic Wartrakk was a HUGE improvement over the metal model it replaced. I do think it's pushing it asking $27 for it. $15-$20 would have been better, especially since it's targeted at a toy market price range.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this develops. I'm wondering why they aren't rolling this out in Europe too and why it's only a NA thing.

I mean I think it looks like a good move to get kids into the hobby and a bigger presence in stores and stuff. But surely there is a need for that in other parts of the world too.

Yeah, I can't wait to pick up a set of these for my "kids".

 General Kroll wrote:
I'm looking forward to seeing how this develops. I'm wondering why they aren't rolling this out in Europe too and why it's only a NA thing.

Might be a trial run, might be different markets. EU tends to have a higher number of game stores per capita and lower number of pure toy stores where this would be of use.

agnosto wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Totally depends on what you're considering "obscene", but I've definitely seen some stuff at a comic shop that sells GW stuff which I would put under "inappropriate for customers under 18".

I agree; I personally would consider a great amount of GW's products to be PG13 and the setting in general to be that way but not all people would share my view. What yardstick will GW use to determine if a stockist is compliant with this condition?

Most likely this is just legal garbage thrown into T&Cs for some obscure (to me) reason.

I would wonder what would happen if this was sold in Wal Mart, then I go to the manager and then say "you know these Space Marines are like nazis that if you don't follow thier way or the Emperors's way they kill and slaughter you and these are suppose to be the good guys."

I wonder if the stores actually know the real fluff would still be selling these kits.

I can't wait to pick up these starter sets on clearance months from now.

Please, please, please let Toys R Us, Walmart, or Target carry them

I was hoping that Hobby Lobby would carry these so I could pick them up at 40% off.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's US only as they couldn't dictate where and how they are sold in the same way in Europe

they're trying had to isolate this to a different segment of the market than run of the mill gamers looking for GW minis cheaper than they normally are thus expanding the market rather than canabalising their normal sales

(although I'm sure plenty will end up in gamers hands)

Any idea when we'll find out where these are retailing?

No Canadian stores listed yet? Bummer, man...

I'm honestly interested to see how this shakes out.

And yeah, I usually have bad stuff to say about GW, because of their past gakky actions. On the whole though, as of late there has been a few improvements, aside from throwing all of the babies out with the bathwater on AOS.
I'd like to see this as a return to basic playing a game, having some fun, and working on models with mates with. I can see this as a pretty good deal, if what has been reported so far is correct.

Even for getting some of these for Gorkamorka, its not that bad of a deal.

Davor wrote:

agnosto wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Totally depends on what you're considering "obscene", but I've definitely seen some stuff at a comic shop that sells GW stuff which I would put under "inappropriate for customers under 18".

I agree; I personally would consider a great amount of GW's products to be PG13 and the setting in general to be that way but not all people would share my view. What yardstick will GW use to determine if a stockist is compliant with this condition?

Most likely this is just legal garbage thrown into T&Cs for some obscure (to me) reason.

I would wonder what would happen if this was sold in Wal Mart, then I go to the manager and then say "you know these Space Marines are like nazis that if you don't follow thier way or the Emperors's way they kill and slaughter you and these are suppose to be the good guys."

I wonder if the stores actually know the real fluff would still be selling these kits.

Walmart sell post it notes, right? Weren't 3M the manufacturers of Zyklon B. Point is, your argument is invalid.

I feel...mixed about this set. Don't get me wrong, 50 teef is fricken dirt cheap when you consider the contents of the box. Though I suppose the contents itself is what makes me feel iffy about it.

The contents are clearly designed around the simplified rules included in the box. Which is good...I suppose it MAY steer vets away from buying all these up and not letting the intended purchasers get any. But the single terminator and single deffkopter...those feel so out of place to me.

I feel like this box may set a horrible, HORRIBLE expectation for new players that the real game is not at all going to live up too unless GW intends to fully come out with an AOS style rule set and 'warscrolls' for all of 40k to let new players continue with that style of play.

When they find out that you can't even field several units out of the box in a normal game, it's going to put them off.

"They only gave me 1 terminator but I need 5 to play the real game?" *looks at price of a box of terminators* "Oh..."

Same with the Tac Squad.

It's definitely a nice box for the 'easy rules' they have inside but...hmm...

Also, the hell with that disgusting bike and wartrakk price tag though? I cannot even believe they still try to sell that Wartrakk (or their buggies) for anything more than 15 bucks. Friggen insane.

Melevolence wrote:
The contents are clearly designed around the simplified rules included in the box. Which is good...I suppose it MAY steer vets away from buying all these up and not letting the intended purchasers get any. But the single terminator and single deffkopter...those feel so out of place to me.

Its the old 'Assault on Black Reach' starter set. The contents definitely are not 'designed around the simplified rules'.

 Ghaz wrote:

Melevolence wrote:
The contents are clearly designed around the simplified rules included in the box. Which is good...I suppose it MAY steer vets away from buying all these up and not letting the intended purchasers get any. But the single terminator and single deffkopter...those feel so out of place to me.

Its the old 'Assault on Black Reach' starter set. The contents definitely are not 'designed around the simplified rules'.

Rather simplified rules were thought to fit the existing sprues.

1 terminator? That's how the sprues got designed back how many years ago? Either they make full AOBR contents or they only give some sprues. Which results in this. Rest of termies were on sprues not included.

kb_lock wrote:
Walmart sell post it notes, right? Weren't 3M the manufacturers of Zyklon B. Point is, your argument is invalid.

I don't understand. Who or what did Zyklon B do?

Davor wrote:

kb_lock wrote:
Walmart sell post it notes, right? Weren't 3M the manufacturers of Zyklon B. Point is, your argument is invalid.

I don't understand. Who or what did Zyklon B do?

Zyklon B was a pesticide made in Germany in the 1920, it was used in the WWII concentration camps to gas the Jews.

Davor wrote:

kb_lock wrote:
Walmart sell post it notes, right? Weren't 3M the manufacturers of Zyklon B. Point is, your argument is invalid.

I don't understand. Who or what did Zyklon B do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B

Not seeing anything about 3M making it, though. citation, please.


On another note- When are these sets going to be available for retail?

 Grot 6 wrote:

Davor wrote:

kb_lock wrote:
Walmart sell post it notes, right? Weren't 3M the manufacturers of Zyklon B. Point is, your argument is invalid.

I don't understand. Who or what did Zyklon B do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B

Not seeing anything about 3M making it, though. citation, please.

BASF (the world biggest chemical producer) manufactured Zylkon B and was founded in Germany. 3M Corp is a completely separate company which was founded in America.

Sometimes ya gotta wonder how these threads turn out the way they do.

Yeah that was some quality gak posting by me there, sorry.

The concept of walmart caring about the fluff clearly triggered my inner idiot and i let him loose.

Back to vedros, is us/ca only confirmed,?

It would be sweet if we could update the OP with links to the official site, instead of just to Spikey Bits.

It's been too long since I was in a history class, when Zyklon B got mentioned all I could think of was Zydrate, which was no where close.

 Ghaz wrote:

Melevolence wrote:
The contents are clearly designed around the simplified rules included in the box. Which is good...I suppose it MAY steer vets away from buying all these up and not letting the intended purchasers get any. But the single terminator and single deffkopter...those feel so out of place to me.

Its the old 'Assault on Black Reach' starter set. The contents definitely are not 'designed around the simplified rules'.

Maybe there is conflicting info, but the OP states a different model count than the AOBR, which had a full squad of Tacs, Termies, and 3 Kopters. According to the OP, this kit contains 6 tacs, 1 termie, and 1 kopter, which is not the same as the AOBR box.

And people have been stating this Vedros box has a very basic rule set to mitigate confusion and charts, which makes it appear that they have a psudo-AoS rule set in the box and perhaps slightly different rules, which may be why the contents are different.

I could be mistaken, but my only information is this thread, which is why I brought that concern up in the first place.