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Lord Kragan wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
So what you guys are saying is I need to start trolling eBay for underpriced Stormcasts.

Fair enough.

Searching begins in 3,2,1...

You'll find better deal on Kijiji


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ERJAK wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
And that's exactly what I'm saying. They should have planned a lot of small factions at the begining, and let the market decide which one was liked and deserved support. Instead of putting all their eggs in the same (crappy) basket.

Except the stormcast are selling really well, not sylvaneth well but definitely very popular and a lot of people really enjoy them and think that they look really cool and built a 5k army really fast and think that it's extremely rude to dismiss the entire line of models because they and some butthurt fantasy players like to waste time hating.

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HOw do you know?

You have acces to GW sales data?

Cause that's not what Hasting said

This is like space marines: sales data are on the tables. I've run a couple tournaments already and in my experience stormcast outnumbered ANY other faction in presence. Stormcast also feature heavily in the tournament reports I've read and seen. Same as space marines, it's no longer anecdotical once you consider that everyone and their dog has an army or that they almost saturate tournaments, by sheer number of armies.

Also I find it cute you keep repeating a statement he said eight months ago ( AOS not doing well) and said that was no longer the case in november (he didn't say anything on doing well or anything else, he just said it was no longer the case).

Hey you're the one who started using Hasting cause you misinterpreted his comment Now that you found out he was claiming the opposite of what you said, you prefer to sweep him under the rug.

As for the tournament reports, where are they? I'm not trolling. I'd gladly admit I'm wrong if you can give me such data (that is, armies by tournament)


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ERJAK wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
So what you guys are saying is I need to start trolling eBay for underpriced Stormcasts.

Fair enough.

Searching begins in 3,2,1...

You'll find better deal on Kijiji


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ERJAK wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
And that's exactly what I'm saying. They should have planned a lot of small factions at the begining, and let the market decide which one was liked and deserved support. Instead of putting all their eggs in the same (crappy) basket.

Except the stormcast are selling really well, not sylvaneth well but definitely very popular and a lot of people really enjoy them and think that they look really cool and built a 5k army really fast and think that it's extremely rude to dismiss the entire line of models because they and some butthurt fantasy players like to waste time hating.

à



HOw do you know?

You have acces to GW sales data?

Cause that's not what Hasting said

Hastings? oooooooh well with that kind of gospel how could you possibly be in doubt. Look, gw is not a complicated company. The battleforce boxes were whatever the top 4 selling lines in each game system were at the time they were bundles. That's why they did space wolves over space marines. The stormcast paladins and judicators have been on the best sellers list forever and plenty of people buy them just for the really strong rules. Do I have concrete sales evidence beyond this? No, but neither do you and my anecdotal evidence comes from GW's policy, your anecdotal evidence comes from a guy who's been radio silent for a year(I.E. BEFORE the general's handbook when EVERYTHING was selling like horses***). You're made that your faction isn't as good as mine and that's fine, have fun with that.

Yeah. That's what I tought. a lot of BS spewed by an agry teen


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Baron Klatz wrote:
Out of curiosity what did you sell, Streetsamurai? Those "Easy to build" kits would've made the basic stuff hard to move unless you included the rest of the weapon options.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Were literally getting drowned in sigmarines once again. As much ad the scouts were gakky, I Must say that all the cavs are gorgeous models. Especially the big white one (probably a hero). Just need to replace the ridiculous riders with something better (ie not a sce. How cool would have been an EMpire Noble riding this???). The crossbowman are pretty good too. At least much better than the current one. Real solid release from the big GW

Conversions exist for that.

https://pp.vk.me/c636422/v636422894/5d7/bsYYTok4doY.jpg

That's an insanely good conversion

Most popular faction in my hometown. Anecdotally as accurate as you have put.

They have a huge amount of different builds, until moonclan grots and thundertusk became the new meta they were ever present.

To be honest, stormcast players dominate the local area.
I'd say around 30 or so AoS players and around half are stormcast.

The other half are a mix of sylvaneth, orruks, chaos dwarves and a few daemon players.

And sales wise, the local GW will be sold out of any new stormcast set for the first month or so of its release.




So in my area, they are selling stupidly well.

Pariah-Miniatures90078 9165051 null wrote:I guess riding dragons wasn't good enough?

Coulda left the riding of birds to the human faction... Ya know continuing with that whole thing they HAD going on..

Their army needed light cavalry like every human army needs.

This is like space marines: sales data are on the tables. I've run a couple tournaments already and in my experience stormcast outnumbered ANY other faction in presence. Stormcast also feature heavily in the tournament reports I've read and seen. Same as space marines, it's no longer anecdotical once you consider that everyone and their dog has an army or that they almost saturate tournaments, by sheer number of armies.

Very true, there's also the high rate of Stormcast players that get into the hobby on Reddit. Even on the main Reddit Warhammer page(40k, AoS, Wfb) they pop up more than any other fantasy model.

I also remember the favorite faction poll I made back before the AoS threads were created, Stormcasts took the top-spot. (I voted for Bretonnia)

SOme tournamens/eventst data I've found

http://baddice.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/a_call_to_arms.pdf
(1 in 12 is a SCE army)

http://baddice.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/masters_2016_lists.pdf
(2 in 16 are SCE)

http://baddice.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Alliance_Lists_2016.pdf

(5 in 35 are SCE)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cpheqemndvhwrrj/call_to_war_2016.pdf?dl=0

(7 in 35 have some SCE. But a lot of them are mixed)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3hq8csaia3w8um/leeds_last_stand.pdf?dl=0

(1 in 10 is a SCE)


http://baddice.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/scgt16-army-lists-v1.0.pdf

(18 in 130 are SCE. Might have made a mistake though, since there is a lot of entries)

http://baddice.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/WarpathArmylists.pdf

(6 in 37 are SCE)


Honestly, considering that they were in the starter sets, and that they've gotten so much attention release wise, I'd say that the number are fair to bad. Total being 40/275 so less than 15%. Not too impressive considering the amount of love they get.

SCGT, out of 150 had 23 all-stormcast armies, 30 once you account for armies that had models of that faction.


Aaand again, we are derailing this thread to kingdom come.

All those tournaments, barring SCGT are too small to represent valid samples (I mean, SCGT is still too small to be something valid at a poblational level, but it's still closer).
With 23 pure stormcast armies you get 15% of playable armies. By contrast, space marines represent 21% of played "main" armies.

That's an insanely good conversion  

Yeah it is!

Wish I could get the owner to make me a army like that.

I'm hoping somebody will do the same to the large crossbow Vanguard. How's that for a imperial volley?

Wowzers, those got to be THE ugliest models, since the Gryph Hound.
Where's the GRIMNESS? Where's the DARKNESS? Just some lel chickens...It's like, if WHF was Diablo/Diablo 2, so Sigmar is like Diablo 3, all colorful and bloomy.

Lord Kragan wrote:
SCGT, out of 150 had 23 all-stormcast armies, 30 once you account for armies that had models of that faction.


Aaand again, we are derailing this thread to kingdom come.

All those tournaments, barring SCGT are too small to represent valid samples (I mean, SCGT is still too small to be something valid at a poblational level, but it's still closer).
With 23 pure stormcast armies you get 15% of playable armies. By contrast, space marines represent 21% of played "main" armies.

If you add them together, it makes for a decent sample size. In fact, numerous small sample added together is a batter inidcator than using imply one big event, cause you're adding more variance (for example, if the big event is made in an area where SCE are more popular than on the average, it will skewed the result) Where did you get the 21% for Space marines? Seems far too low.

 CragHack wrote:
Wowzers, those got to be THE ugliest models, since the Gryph Hound.
Where's the GRIMNESS? Where's the DARKNESS? Just some lel chickens...It's like, if WHF was Diablo/Diablo 2, so Sigmar is like Diablo 3, all colorful and bloomy.

IMO they look a lot like hypogryphs rather than proper gryphons.

There are roughly 60 factions.
To have a single one make up 15% of tournament entries is proof of sales, especially considering they are a new faction

 streetsamurai wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
SCGT, out of 150 had 23 all-stormcast armies, 30 once you account for armies that had models of that faction.


Aaand again, we are derailing this thread to kingdom come.

All those tournaments, barring SCGT are too small to represent valid samples (I mean, SCGT is still too small to be something valid at a poblational level, but it's still closer).
With 23 pure stormcast armies you get 15% of playable armies. By contrast, space marines represent 21% of played "main" armies.

If you add them together, it makes for a decent sample size. Where did you get the 21% for Space marines? Seems far too low.

Yet there's a handful of issues in that method: are there any repeats? Because if so they must be purged and taken out of account, something I don't really want to do and honestly is a task that brings in no real gain.

Yeah I too thinks it's too conservative, but then again, I'm not going to do an exhaustive fact check on wether the statistic is 100% fool proof or not. Then again it said "main". My main army have been always eldar but I have a DA detachement. But same can go here. Are these the ONLY armies they have? Did they buy them with AoS or are they part of the previous system? I recall a few names in these lists and those are old fantasy veterans, so you can easily chalk off those veterans with old armies, they had them already.

Still, 15% of the armies' while you're one out of 40+ factions is a pretty darn good percentage.

ButI think at this point, and seeing as the mods haven't come in (even though I called them since almost post one of this mess) I'll do this:

STAY ON TOPIC

Sales of stormcasts are NOT news rumors, unless we get a report of GW saying: OMGAWD DA GOLDIEBOYZ BEAT DA BLUEBERRIE ONES!!1one!!. We can argue and bitch about the model quality, but the sales and percentage of tournament armies that belong to Sigmar's powerfantasies are NOT part of the news. We've derailed this thread long enough.

Saying there is 60 factions is very dishonest. Some of them are simply not playable on their own (for example shadow blades). And SCE themselves are split between 2 (soon to be 3), but I've considered them as only one faction. And I would say that considering the amount of push they got, 15% is not too impressive. They nearly got as much kit release as the rest of the factions put together since the start of AOS, and they were in the starter set. 15% is decent but seems a bit subpar considering this. And you have to consider that factions that haven't got a BT yet won't attract a lot of customers.


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Lord Kragan wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
SCGT, out of 150 had 23 all-stormcast armies, 30 once you account for armies that had models of that faction.


Aaand again, we are derailing this thread to kingdom come.

All those tournaments, barring SCGT are too small to represent valid samples (I mean, SCGT is still too small to be something valid at a poblational level, but it's still closer).
With 23 pure stormcast armies you get 15% of playable armies. By contrast, space marines represent 21% of played "main" armies.

If you add them together, it makes for a decent sample size. Where did you get the 21% for Space marines? Seems far too low.

Yet there's a handful of issues in that method: are there any repeats? Because if so they must be purged and taken out of account, something I don't really want to do and honestly is a task that brings in no real gain.

Yeah I too thinks it's too conservative, but then again, I'm not going to do an exhaustive fact check on wether the statistic is 100% fool proof or not. Then again it said "main". My main army have been always eldar but I have a DA detachement. But same can go here. Are these the ONLY armies they have? Did they buy them with AoS or are they part of the previous system? I recall a few names in these lists and those are old fantasy veterans, so you can easily chalk off those veterans with old armies, they had them already.

Still, 15% of the armies' while you're one out of 40+ factions is a pretty darn good percentage.

Because I think at this point, and seeing as the mods haven't come in (even though I called them since almost post one of this mess)

If it's bother so much that the thread goes off topic, WTF do you continue to add to the discussion? You"re like a pyromaniac that feel the needs to always call the fireman after his deed. You're one of the main reason why numerous threads goes OT (me being another one :lol, and you always cry afterward. YOu're not a mod, so you don't get to decide what's OT and what's not

Lord Kragan wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Wowzers, those got to be THE ugliest models, since the Gryph Hound.
Where's the GRIMNESS? Where's the DARKNESS? Just some lel chickens...It's like, if WHF was Diablo/Diablo 2, so Sigmar is like Diablo 3, all colorful and bloomy.

IMO they look a lot like hypogryphs rather than proper gryphons.

Griffins would've looked way cooler. Some badass ones, like Franz's Deathclaw. This whole sleek appearance is just so..WRONG :\

At the end of the day, they must be selling well enough for stuff to still be being put out for them.

Samurai, unlike others I know when the limits have been over-stepped... usually ten or twelve... or twenty steps after crossing it myself. BUT NONETHELESS!

 CragHack wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Wowzers, those got to be THE ugliest models, since the Gryph Hound.
Where's the GRIMNESS? Where's the DARKNESS? Just some lel chickens...It's like, if WHF was Diablo/Diablo 2, so Sigmar is like Diablo 3, all colorful and bloomy.

IMO they look a lot like hypogryphs rather than proper gryphons.

Griffins would've looked way cooler. Some badass ones, like Franz's Deathclaw.

Nah, they do have their charm. Though I may be biased since I'm a person VERY fond of baroque aesthethics.

I'm wondering. They've said they'd release rules for the specific stormhosts. Do you think they'll release rules to represen their special characters? Like, still use the generic model but, for a fee, make him special. Like, dunno, Tarsus or Hamilcar. I can easily imagine the latter being a CQC-berserker-esque leader.

Are the Tzeentch Daemon pre-orders supposed to be up soon?
Is it New Zealand that gets them first?

 Galef wrote:
Are the Tzeentch Daemon pre-orders supposed to be up soon?
Is it New Zealand that gets them first?

In about two and a half hours on the New Zealand site, approximately 4 EST.

 ImAGeek wrote:
At the end of the day, they must be selling well enough for stuff to still be being put out for them.

Doesn't mean anything, since the delay for production is about a year and a half to 2 years, maybe longer. So these guy were probably under production even before AOS was released.

Stormcasts sell out consistently faster than anything else at work.Every third player i see is running Stormcasts.

 Galef wrote:
Are the Tzeentch Daemon pre-orders supposed to be up soon?
Is it New Zealand that gets them first?

If I'm not too mistaken, they'll be up at 11:00 AM (on their timezone, sooo about 11:00PM if you live in greenwich' controlled land).

 CragHack wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Wowzers, those got to be THE ugliest models, since the Gryph Hound.
Where's the GRIMNESS? Where's the DARKNESS? Just some lel chickens...It's like, if WHF was Diablo/Diablo 2, so Sigmar is like Diablo 3, all colorful and bloomy.

IMO they look a lot like hypogryphs rather than proper gryphons.

Griffins would've looked way cooler. Some badass ones, like Franz's Deathclaw. This whole sleek appearance is just so..WRONG :\

Disagreed. That hyppogriff is an incredibly good looking model. It doesn't mesh too well with the SCE aesthetics, but it's an incredible model nontheless.

Yup. Have seen the griffons up-close. THey are good, but this motherfraggers look even better. Might as well start a vanguard chamber if I can play with alleigances.

There are actually 70+ factions - I ignored those in my initial count, becuase of the fact that they can't stand alone.
Stormcasts are actually a small faction, with 5-6 actual non-hero products ( as in liberator box, paladin box, etc)
To have a small faction make up more than a tenth is good numbers.
Don't forget that a lot of people in these tourneys are likely using old 8th edition armies, and thus need to be pulled from any comparison about sales.
Stormcasts are definetly popular just based on how much you see them.
Start drawing comparisons to Slaves of darkness, the daemons, Sylvaneth and skaven perhaps?

@Lord Kragon,

Yeah, these are definitely on my list.

My army is Bretonnian, Stormcast and Wanderers, so with just a little conversion these guys will look like a fusion of the three.

Space marines riding chicken dinosaurs. With one failed swoop they stripped chaos naked mounted a tzeench chicken and gave the storm bolters........ At some point this has to be called abuse.

Also final fantasy must be pissed they stole their chicken mounts.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Are the Tzeentch Daemon pre-orders supposed to be up soon?
Is it New Zealand that gets them first?

If I'm not too mistaken, they'll be up at 11:00 AM (on their timezone, sooo about 11:00PM if you live in greenwich' controlled land).

Hmm. I'm in the Central US. It is 12:42pm at the time I am posting this. I'll have to Google the difference.
I seem to remember Ghaz posted the pre-orders for the Disciples of Tzeentch around this time last week.

Edit: Just checked, looks like about 3+ more hours to go. I am dying to know the contents of all the boxes

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Neronoxx wrote:
There are actually 70+ factions - I ignored those in my initial count, becuase of the fact that they can't stand alone.
Stormcasts are actually a small faction, with 5-6 actual non-hero products ( as in liberator box, paladin box, etc)
To have a small faction make up more than a tenth is good numbers.
Don't forget that a lot of people in these tourneys are likely using old 8th edition armies, and thus need to be pulled from any comparison about sales.
Stormcasts are definetly popular just based on how much you see them.
Start drawing comparisons to Slaves of darkness, the daemons, Sylvaneth and skaven perhaps?

A lot of the legacy armies are unatractive for a tournament player since they don't have a battle tome.

Joke post:

Baron Klatz wrote:
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Spoiler:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Space marines riding chicken dinosaurs. With one failed swoop they stripped chaos naked mounted a tzeench chicken and gave the storm bolters........ At some point this has to be called abuse.

Also final fantasy must be pissed they stole their chicken mounts.

Haha, at least they didn't steal these.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CJugrJsYKl4.

We need a few overweight choc- er I mean gryph chargers for bringing in heavy weapons such as catapults.