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Sounds like what you would get if you continue the Scourge Privateer idea in a higher fantasy/epic fantasy setting. I like the sound of it.

 DarkBlack wrote:
Sounds like what you would get if you continue the Scourge Privateer idea in a higher fantasy/epic fantasy setting. I like the sound of it.

Indeed, if this rumor pans out I am quite interested on this take of the new "dark" elves.

 shinros wrote:

 DarkBlack wrote:
Sounds like what you would get if you continue the Scourge Privateer idea in a higher fantasy/epic fantasy setting. I like the sound of it.

Indeed, if this rumor pans out I am quite interested on this take of the new "dark" elves.

I think it is also in line with the "epic fantasy" scale of the Mortal Realms, where gods are directly involved. "Something eldritch in the Shadows" sounds quite plausible.

Shinros, apart from the 'dragon-like' aspect of Malerion and the use of shadowy cults, none of that sounds particularly Cthulhu/DeepOne-like to me. No more so than GW fluff's extensive, existing history of gibbering mad gods from beyond and shadowy cults.

"The smoke on the base looks kinda sorta maybe like a tentacle if you squint at it just right."

Strewth, they might as well be fans of Hank out of Finding Dory. That, or pyromania.

Basically, what CoreCommander said. When they conspire to raise cities from the bottom of the sea and start secretly taking long walks on the beach with seafood, then call me.

They also refuse to bow to the the eldritch council of aelf wizards

I hope that means that they're only one faction of aelves - the new 'dark elves', as you say. And that the other faction(s) aren't just the old elf models that GW allow to exist.

I definitely think we're about to hit a wave of AoS releases starting with Steamhead Duardin. Q1 (calendar year, not fiscal) was fairly balanced, but mostly focused on 40k's Gathering Storm. Q2 will probably be AoS focused with a few 40k releases, and hopefully end with GHB2.

 Vermis wrote:
Shinros, apart from the 'dragon-like' aspect of Malerion and the use of shadowy cults, none of that sounds particularly Cthulhu/DeepOne-like to me. No more so than GW fluff's extensive, existing history of gibbering mad gods from beyond and shadowy cults.

"The smoke on the base looks kinda sorta maybe like a tentacle if you squint at it just right."

Strewth, they might as well be fans of Hank out of Finding Dory. That, or pyromania.

Basically, what CoreCommander said. When they conspire to raise cities from the bottom of the sea and start secretly taking long walks on the beach with seafood, then call me.

They also refuse to bow to the the eldritch council of aelf wizards

I hope that means that they're only one faction of aelves - the new 'dark elves', as you say. And that the other faction(s) aren't just the old elf models that GW allow to exist.

Well we will see.

I'm a bit out of the loop with rumours lately apart from the Duardin ones. Can anyone update me and give me quotes from Hastings? Where does he usually post these rumours?
Cheers

 RoboDragon wrote:
I'm a bit out of the loop with rumours lately apart from the Duardin ones. Can anyone update me and give me quotes from Hastings? Where does he usually post these rumours?
Cheers

We effectively know at this point that there will be a steampunk-dwarves release and it will be sometime in the next few months. Rumors/speculation as to such release including an airship of some sort and/or a large golem, and potentially flying infantry.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Fyreslayers needed some reductions, mostly on Vulkite Bezerkers. At 60 per 5 they are still meh, but at least worth taking now (though the Hearthguard are still better). IMO the magmadroth reductions made them too cheap and putting all the characters at a flat 80 is kind of lazy, especially when the Battlesmith is clearly worth more than that. All in all I think this makes Fyreslayers better balanced with other armies overall but at the cost of making Forge Brethren + Lords of the Lodge lists OP, and making Magmadroth spam an easy way to dominate a casual field.

Idk I thought they were pretty conservative with the points reductions. And I would put money down that almost EVERY behemoth in the game is getting a points drop. Except for things like the mourngul they're all a bit overcosted.

By what measure? Behemoths tend to beat the crap out of equal points in infantry or cavalry.

Some do, beastclaw raiders, zombie dragon with vampire lords, mourngul, durthu, but plenty don't. Gordrakk isn't worth his points in brutes, the stardrakes eats gak and dies against it's points in retributors, protectors, judicators, or any of the dracoth riders, alarielle isn't as good as her points in kurnoth hunters, the coven throne and mortis engine are overcosted, terrorgeist is hard to justify for how random it is. Nagash is absolutely terrible, most of the aelf behemoths are bad(Frostheart being the obvious exception), most of the seraphon behemoths are terrible, bloodthirsters are the same price as stormfiends, guess who wins that fight, keeper of secrets lose out to a big blob of deamonettes, and the rest all sort of fill in somewhere between 'viable' and 'well it looks really cool...'

I agree with you. I guess it comes down to a match play @ 2K thing. All you points like gordrakk not being worth brutes and hunters as well. Kind of sucks honestly. But i love my brutes so...

 gainsay wrote:
I agree with you. I guess it comes down to a match play @ 2K thing. All you points like gordrakk not being worth brutes and hunters as well. Kind of sucks honestly. But i love my brutes so...

All of those statements were relying on comparison to models that we know are OP (like Kurnoths or Stormfiends) or were simply untrue outright. That said, perhaps a better way of summarizing my viewpoint would be to say that more elite models tend to be more OP, with basic infantry/cavalry being reserved for battleline fulfillment only beyond a handful of exceptions. Overall the costs in the GHB did not factor in base size (which is important considering near-everyone plays that way); Gordrakk vs, say, 40 Ardboys is one thing on paper, but on the table it will be rare for even half of those boyz to attack in a given turn, with most of them stranded outside of melee range. Coupled with how battleshock works and elite units are even more powerful compared to what strict math would suggest. I half-expect half-hope that Matched Play will have base to base measuring as a rule in the GHB2, and more importantly that the point adjustments will take base size into account. I further suspect that the next major issue in the balance meta will be max-sized blocks of infantry that have scaling benefits based on size (like Grots, for example).

Nu marine picture possibly released before steam punk dwarves are you fetching kidding me????

That image is of dubious authenticity. Can we please not drag another thread into a debate about it?

What was the dwarven word for shoddy and man made? That amuses me.

You mean Umgi? I wonder if they still use that word? With the Ironweld maybe they finally upgraded it to, "almost passable, less-shoddy".

Anyway, about the new marine, call me when GW/Atia confirms or rumor engine teases it. Otherwise just a rumor.

 EnTyme wrote:
I definitely think we're about to hit a wave of AoS releases starting with Steamhead Duardin. Q1 (calendar year, not fiscal) was fairly balanced, but mostly focused on 40k's Gathering Storm. Q2 will probably be AoS focused with a few 40k releases, and hopefully end with GHB2.

Given that ICv2 now shows AoS as #4 in their Top 5 minis games sales for 2016, I think the AoS GHB push is paying off. I think the big question ties to GHB2 release and support, as that's clearly giving players a lot more of what they want.

May get to see the new dwarves stuff this week and maybe more;

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/12/big-news-coming-this-week/

Just thinking - pretty sure all releases billed in WD are now out and about, the Heresy models being the last of them?

Stunties next week?

Just out of curiosity, has anyone asked them to show Kevin Rountree in their streams? With how things seem to be heading it seems interesting to see the man behind this whole deal.

So quick question are there any real rumours about Dwarfs or are the dwarf players the AoS equivalent of Sisters of Battle players.

Powered by dreams and fuelled by faith?

Just because while I fancy a dwarf army I find the fluff, models and price of Fireslayers abhorrent and want a supported army ruling out the proper dwarfs.

Also is the whole removing and nerfing stuff that happend with sigmarines likely to be a "feature" of AoS. I mean 40k currently has a pitiful life span at the moment and I don't fancy another 24mth merry go round.

SeanDrake wrote:
So quick question are there any real rumours about Dwarfs or are the dwarf players the AoS equivalent of Sisters of Battle players.

Powered by dreams and fuelled by faith?

Just because while I fancy a dwarf army I find the fluff, models and price of Fireslayers abhorrent and want a supported army ruling out the proper dwarfs.

Also is the whole removing and nerfing stuff that happend with sigmarines likely to be a "feature" of AoS. I mean 40k currently has a pitiful life span at the moment and I don't fancy another 24mth merry go round.

Hasting's said they are next in the release schedule.

There was also the rumor engine tease of a model with the dwarf symbol on it and the recent one of what appeared to be a airship hull flying towards a Khorne daemon. Then there's the general hints in the fluff.

Also is the whole removing and nerfing stuff that happend with sigmarines likely to be a "feature" of AoS. I mean 40k currently has a pitiful life span at the moment and I don't fancy another 24mth merry go round.

I don't think anything got removed. :/

It was a useful battletome update to give the Stormcast the things that the other new/semi-new factions had that they didn't get.

It may happen again in the far future if there's more fundamental game add-ons(not sure what else they'd add, though) but if everything remains the same then there'd be no reason for more updates other than a big community outcry.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Just out of curiosity, has anyone asked them to show Kevin Rountree in their streams? With how things seem to be heading it seems interesting to see the man behind this whole deal.

Personally I hope I don't see him, I already got a cool vision of him in my head and it'd be a bit like going from a novel to a movie. If that makes any sense.

I don't think anything got removed. :/

Well the formations did lose their Deep Strike... Which was made into a full allegiance feature instead.

There was also that one ability lost from one of the heroes, but I cannot remember which one.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

I don't think anything got removed. :/

Well the formations did lose their Deep Strike... Which was made into a full allegiance feature instead.

There was also that one ability lost from one of the heroes, but I cannot remember which one.

Knight Azyros's ability (for sure) and Warrior Brotherhood (IIRC) have been removed. But these formations were outright OP and eschewed the balance of the game, so it was a rightful nerf compensated by other buffs that left them slightly weaker but with more viable builds.


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Baron Klatz wrote:
There was also the rumor engine tease of a model with the dwarf symbol on it and the recent one of what appeared to be a airship hull flying towards a Khorne daemon. Then there's the general hints in the fluff.

Also is the whole removing and nerfing stuff that happend with sigmarines likely to be a "feature" of AoS. I mean 40k currently has a pitiful life span at the moment and I don't fancy another 24mth merry go round.

I don't think anything got removed. :/

It was a useful battletome update to give the Stormcast the things that the other new/semi-new factions had that they didn't get.

It may happen again in the far future if there's more fundamental game add-ons(not sure what else they'd add, though) but if everything remains the same then there'd be no reason for more updates other than a big community outcry.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Just out of curiosity, has anyone asked them to show Kevin Rountree in their streams? With how things seem to be heading it seems interesting to see the man behind this whole deal.

Personally I hope I don't see him, I already got a cool vision of him in my head and it'd be a bit like going from a novel to a movie. If that makes any sense.

So you're picturing him as a seven foot, musclebound, conan-esque hero with sword and buckler in hand as he and his pantene-tier mane stride into battle, I take?

Hahaha, I wish my imagination was that good!

For what its worth, and I know i'm not a known source or anything around here, but I have seen some Duardin stuff, so I know it at least exists. :-p

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
For what its worth, and I know i'm not a known source or anything around here, but I have seen some Duardin stuff, so I know it at least exists. :-p

Rate it on a scale of 1 (MEH) to 10 (OHMYGAWD-faints)

I liked what I saw a lot, but i'm from a camp that likes... well... camp. I think they're pretty ridiculous. I really can't say more, nor do I want to start being a rumor monger (I hear things VERY infrequently from my handful of friends working in the industry), but as a Dwarf fan and player... just wanted to say that this isn't a Sisters kind of situation.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Just out of curiosity, has anyone asked them to show Kevin Rountree in their streams? With how things seem to be heading it seems interesting to see the man behind this whole deal.

Yes, it has been requested just this past week. Who know if/when it will happen.

Well that sounds good to me and the people who kept complaining that AoS lacked the humor that made old fantasy so great where it didn't take always take itself seriously.

Too bad I'm already envisioning the anti-AoS crowd using them to prop up their "AoS is a ridiculous setting" arguments.

Though it could be a way to balance out the upcoming Shadowkin release which seems to have a much darker tone overall.

So just the case for any good setting having a mix of tones for everyone's taste.

Daedalus81 wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Just out of curiosity, has anyone asked them to show Kevin Rountree in their streams? With how things seem to be heading it seems interesting to see the man behind this whole deal.

Yes, it has been requested just this past week. Who know if/when it will happen.

That was me. It would be pretty cool if they can get him on.