[40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP

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**Wolfblade**

The only codexes without named chars are the "ally" codexes iirc. MT, Harlies, Admech of both kinds, etc. DW and harlies got some only because of this release obviously

**pm713**

Wolfblade wrote:
The only codexes without named chars are the "ally" codexes iirc. MT, Harlies, Admech of both kinds, etc. DW and harlies got some only because of this release obviously

Harleys have nothing. Even MT have a HQ.

**Eldarain**

Shrouded Jester is named isn't he?

**Crazyterran**

He specified in the Codex.

**Bulldogging**

Leth wrote:
Bulldogging wrote:
Leth wrote:
In regards to the swapping of equipment I always go with the interpretation that if there is no stated order of operations then you can do which ever.

If it does not say that you have to upgrade to a blackshield first then you can swap to a thunderhammer and then change to a black shield.

Then for things like terminators where you are required to swap specific gear if you do weapon swaps before hand then you no longer meet the requirements.

So on and so forth.

That's how I thought it was.

The SM FAQ says that we can't do that though.

What do you mean? It specifically says the opposite. You can buy stuff then upgrade.

Spoiler:

I'm sorry if someone told you already, since I missed your reply and it was pages ago, but that was a typo as stated by GW. It's in the comments section of that FAQ. The correct answer is No.

**Eldarain**

Crazyterran wrote:
He specified in the Codex.

What a pre-6th concept

He says as he looks at the litany of rules sources to play any of his armies.

**pm713**

Eldarain wrote:
Shrouded Jester is named isn't he?

He's a named Jester who can replace other Jesters which is not a HQ.

**russian69hitman**

Kanluwen wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
General Hobbs wrote:

Did I read that right? DW Veterans don't have bolt pistols??????

( looking at all his counts as DW/SG...with bolt pistols....)
This is correct. They do not, nor do they have any way of getting them. It also makes Rodricus Grytt's loadout (Frag Cannon and Bolt Pistol with an added CCW) illegal. Also, Drenn Redblade has an extra CCW. They appear to be the only ones that are wrong from Kill Team Cassius though. What does make things more hilarious is that GW is re-releasing Kill Team Cassius, despite it having illegal loadouts.

Given that Kill Team Cassius is a named formation, who cares if the loadouts don't exactly match the codex?

They've been making it for quite some time that special characters have loadouts that others might not get access to; so is it really that much of a surprise that named formations(which are essentially special character versions of units) have loadouts that are not necessarily usable?
That is certainly true. I just find it pretty funny. I hope they revamp the rules for Kill Team Cassius to be more in line with the codex though (give the units Mission Tactics, allow Kill Team Cassius to be used in a Black Spear Strike Force).

If they had wanted Kill Team Cassius to be in line with the Codex, they would have made it actually be present within the codex.

Watch Captain Artemis isn't in the book either, so unless they're seriously planning the "all free digital download for the bulk of the material with specific formations tied to campaign books" route like AoS for 8th edition, I would be surprised as hell to see KTC get updated.

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/35139484/aview/DeathwatchKillteamCassius.jpg

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/08/40k-new-deathwatch-rules-in-death-masque.html

The Kill Team Cassius is also the Strategium Command Team on page 97 of the DW codex....

**General Hobbs**

Crikey.....I hope they FAQ that! Normal Tacticals have them, but DW Vets don't??? Silly!

**russian69hitman**

The Kill Team Cassius is also the Strategium Command Team on page 97 of the DW codex....

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Artemis is mentioned on 34 as a Watch Captain, so use page 74 to "create" him or use the Masque stats for him if your opponent will allow it (I guess)....

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QUESTION - The Corvus states it can transport 12 models. Then says including bikers and jump infantry. Nowhere does it say that jump or bikers take up two spots. On page 45 it shows Kill Team Cassius/Strategium Command Team debarking from a single Corvus. So, can I have 1 Corvus for my Kill Team Cassius/Strategium Command Team?

**pm713**

Bikers and Jump Infantry still have the Bulky rules don't they?

**Mr_Rose**

russian69hitman wrote:
The Kill Team Cassius is also the Strategium Command Team on page 97 of the DW codex....

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Artemis is mentioned on 34 as a Watch Captain, so use page 74 to "create" him or use the Masque stats for him if your opponent will allow it (I guess)....

Automatically Appended Next Post:
QUESTION - The Corvus states it can transport 12 models. Then says including bikers and jump infantry. Nowhere does it say that jump or bikers take up two spots. On page 45 it shows Kill Team Cassius/Strategium Command Team debarking from a single Corvus. So, can I have 1 Corvus for my Kill Team Cassius/Strategium Command Team?

Nowhere except the core rulebook where it specifies that jump infantry and bikes are bulky and very bulky respectively?

**Brother Xeones**

Mr_Rose wrote:
russian69hitman wrote:
The Kill Team Cassius is also the Strategium Command Team on page 97 of the DW codex....

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Artemis is mentioned on 34 as a Watch Captain, so use page 74 to "create" him or use the Masque stats for him if your opponent will allow it (I guess)....

Automatically Appended Next Post:
QUESTION - The Corvus states it can transport 12 models. Then says including bikers and jump infantry. Nowhere does it say that jump or bikers take up two spots. On page 45 it shows Kill Team Cassius/Strategium Command Team debarking from a single Corvus. So, can I have 1 Corvus for my Kill Team Cassius/Strategium Command Team?

Nowhere except the core rulebook where it specifies that jump infantry and bikes are bulky and very bulky respectively?

This. Also, it's generally an exercise in futility to try to glean rules insight from any of GW's pictures.

**Selym**

Y'know, the more I build the DW parts of my bawks, the more I like them. Your Dudes indeed,

**shade1313**

Wolfblade wrote:
The only codexes without named chars are the "ally" codexes iirc. MT, Harlies, Admech of both kinds, etc. DW and harlies got some only because of this release obviously

And the Harlequin named character promptly died in his first outing.

**Yodhrin**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
General Hobbs wrote:

Did I read that right? DW Veterans don't have bolt pistols??????

( looking at all his counts as DW/SG...with bolt pistols....)
This is correct. They do not, nor do they have any way of getting them. It also makes Rodricus Grytt's loadout (Frag Cannon and Bolt Pistol with an added CCW) illegal. Also, Drenn Redblade has an extra CCW. They appear to be the only ones that are wrong from Kill Team Cassius though. What does make things more hilarious is that GW is re-releasing Kill Team Cassius, despite it having illegal loadouts.

Given that Kill Team Cassius is a named formation, who cares if the loadouts don't exactly match the codex?

They've been making it for quite some time that special characters have loadouts that others might not get access to; so is it really that much of a surprise that named formations(which are essentially special character versions of units) have loadouts that are not necessarily usable?
That is certainly true. I just find it pretty funny. I hope they revamp the rules for Kill Team Cassius to be more in line with the codex though (give the units Mission Tactics, allow Kill Team Cassius to be used in a Black Spear Strike Force).

I'd rather they fix the bizarro Codex rules myself; again, so much could have been cleared up by giving them Bolter, BP, CCW and doing the upgrades as Bolter for Ranged/Special and CCW for Melee.

**conker249**

I was looking at the picture, there are 5 power armor from the team, plus the bike to make 10 total occupants for the Corvus Blackstar. That team you can make. They left out the jump pack dudes and a few others. So maybe they did that on purpose?

**Lythrandire Biehrellian**

The solitaire IS a named character...

Unique and everything.

**Wolfblade**

By that logic so were the assassins in previous editions.

Unique =/= named.

There are many SM chapter masters, there is only one grimnar/Calgar/etc.

**Selym**

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
The solitaire IS a named character...

Unique and everything.

Unique = can only take one per army.

Named = "This is Captain Bob, he commands my space marine army"

**angelofvengeance**

I thought the Kill-Team Cassius formation was basically the same as the Aquila Kill-Team? Am I mistaken here?

**Selym**

Aquila teams cannot take chaplains.

**casvalremdeikun**

angelofvengeance wrote:
I thought the Kill-Team Cassius formation was basically the same as the Aquila Kill-Team? Am I mistaken here?

Kill Team Cassius is a Strategium Command Team composed of an Aquila Kill Team(Squad Donatus is the Kill Team, two Vanguard Veterans, one Terminator, a Biker, and a Librarian) and a Chaplain (Cassius).

**Bulldogging**

Selym wrote:
Aquila teams cannot take chaplains.

Holy crap I missed that. That sucks. Was working on trying to make a viable melee team out of a Corvus, cause reasons, and a chaplain was being used to get the average wounds up high enough to kill a Stormsurge.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Bulldogging wrote:
Selym wrote:
Aquila teams cannot take chaplains.

Holy crap I missed that. That sucks. Was working on trying to make a viable melee team out of a Corvus, cause reasons, and a chaplain was being used to get the average wounds up high enough to kill a Stormsurge.

Strategem Command Team lead by a Chaplain with an Aquila Killteam as the Killteam Component.

**Bulldogging**

VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Bulldogging wrote:
Selym wrote:
Aquila teams cannot take chaplains.

Holy crap I missed that. That sucks. Was working on trying to make a viable melee team out of a Corvus, cause reasons, and a chaplain was being used to get the average wounds up high enough to kill a Stormsurge.

Strategem Command Team lead by a Chaplain with an Aquila Killteam as the Killteam Component.

Is the consensus that you can take 4 of the same type of team? Or max 1 of each? Not sure how GW has handled this type of wording before.

EDIT: OOps thought you mean the Watch Company.

Yeah the Strategium works well.

**GoonBandito**

Mr_Rose wrote:
russian69hitman wrote:
The Kill Team Cassius is also the Strategium Command Team on page 97 of the DW codex....

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Artemis is mentioned on 34 as a Watch Captain, so use page 74 to "create" him or use the Masque stats for him if your opponent will allow it (I guess)....

Automatically Appended Next Post:
QUESTION - The Corvus states it can transport 12 models. Then says including bikers and jump infantry. Nowhere does it say that jump or bikers take up two spots. On page 45 it shows Kill Team Cassius/Strategium Command Team debarking from a single Corvus. So, can I have 1 Corvus for my Kill Team Cassius/Strategium Command Team?

Nowhere except the core rulebook where it specifies that jump infantry and bikes are bulky and very bulky respectively?

It does indeed say that Jump Infantry have the Bulky rule and Bikers have Very Bulky in the core rulebook.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Bulldogging wrote:
VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Bulldogging wrote:
Selym wrote:
Aquila teams cannot take chaplains.

Holy crap I missed that. That sucks. Was working on trying to make a viable melee team out of a Corvus, cause reasons, and a chaplain was being used to get the average wounds up high enough to kill a Stormsurge.

Strategem Command Team lead by a Chaplain with an Aquila Killteam as the Killteam Component.

Is the consensus that you can take 4 of the same type of team? Or max 1 of each? Not sure how GW has handled this type of wording before.

EDIT: OOps thought you mean the Watch Company.

Yeah the Strategium works well.

Any combination for the Company would to me imply any combo, if you want 4 Aquila teams take that. If you know the guy take alot of HQ and throws them in Frontline Squads, take 4 Purgatus Squads, cause the re-roll also applies to the Squad the HQ is attached to.

**gungo**

I know people are still all excited about deathwatch but competitively until grav cannons get nerfed I still don't see how deathwatch is better. At best I see a token alpha kill team formation with 4 frag cannons but grav cannons are still better at killing most things.
they feel like more expensive devastator squads but they are deathwatch....just not seeing what makes them special.

**Leth**

With the recent GW faq stating that basically all units count as all types/factions etc

I could see the IC one being very useful since you will get the benefit against any unit that contains an IC.