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I am super disappointed that Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus lost the main thing that set them apart from other factions, Imperatives and Canticles. That just feels like a major slap in the face. There is pretty much no reason to play either of those factions in KT aside from list tailoring now. Might as well play Imperial Guard and be able to use orders or play Sisters for their acts of faith. bs IMO. If Skitarii and Cult Mech don't get their rules then Space Marine shouldn't get any kind of Chapter Tactics.

 ultimentra wrote:
I am super disappointed that Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus lost the main thing that set them apart from other factions, Imperatives and Canticles. That just feels like a major slap in the face. There is pretty much no reason to play either of those factions in KT aside from list tailoring now. Might as well play Imperial Guard and be able to use orders or play Sisters for their acts of faith. bs IMO. If Skitarii and Cult Mech don't get their rules then Space Marine shouldn't get any kind of Chapter Tactics.

I'd've thought the reason to play a Skitarii or a Cult army is because you want to play one of those armies. I mean hell, if I want to play some crazy machine-brain psychos, then Imperial Guard just isn't going to cut it.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
I am super disappointed that Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus lost the main thing that set them apart from other factions, Imperatives and Canticles. That just feels like a major slap in the face. There is pretty much no reason to play either of those factions in KT aside from list tailoring now. Might as well play Imperial Guard and be able to use orders or play Sisters for their acts of faith. bs IMO. If Skitarii and Cult Mech don't get their rules then Space Marine shouldn't get any kind of Chapter Tactics.

I'd've thought the reason to play a Skitarii or a Cult army is because you want to play one of those armies. I mean hell, if I want to play some crazy machine-brain psychos, then Imperial Guard just isn't going to cut it.

In addition to that though, I would like to actually use the armies rules that my codex is supposed to have and that I am paying for with the point cost of those units. I hate that for this specific game, I can't use all the tools that I am supposed to have available to me just because I am playing a particular army, when other factions do not have the same stipulation.

 ultimentra wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
I am super disappointed that Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus lost the main thing that set them apart from other factions, Imperatives and Canticles. That just feels like a major slap in the face. There is pretty much no reason to play either of those factions in KT aside from list tailoring now. Might as well play Imperial Guard and be able to use orders or play Sisters for their acts of faith. bs IMO. If Skitarii and Cult Mech don't get their rules then Space Marine shouldn't get any kind of Chapter Tactics.

I'd've thought the reason to play a Skitarii or a Cult army is because you want to play one of those armies. I mean hell, if I want to play some crazy machine-brain psychos, then Imperial Guard just isn't going to cut it.

In addition to that though, I would like to actually use the armies rules that my codex is supposed to have and that I am paying for with the point cost of those units. I hate that for this specific game, I can't use all the tools that I am supposed to have available to me just because I am playing a particular army, when other factions do not have the same stipulation.

Easily one of the most powerful army-specific tools in Kill-Team, and a representation of a larger directive than occupies Kill-Teams agenda.
5 skiitari with guns fighting some random orks probably aren't the focus of the magus, so that could explain the fluff side.
But hey, at leasy you have cool guns and tech no other imperial faction has access to.

Again, no interest in a new GW release. So many other skirmish games I would play ahead of this [Infinity, Bushido, Marvel, Mordheim...]

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Again, no interest in a new GW release. So many other skirmish games I would play ahead of this [Infinity, Bushido, Marvel, Mordheim...]

Thanks for stopping by to share that.

Neronoxx wrote:
Easily one of the most powerful army-specific tools in Kill-Team, and a representation of a larger directive than occupies Kill-Teams agenda.
5 skiitari with guns fighting some random orks probably aren't the focus of the magus, so that could explain the fluff side.
But hey, at leasy you have cool guns and tech no other imperial faction has access to.

Actually a nicely fluffy way of putting it.

And yeah, for these smaller engagements the weapons these guys tote should more than suffice in most cases. Radium carbines in particular, especially in the hands of a specialist are quite nasty.

Good news for folks who bought the digital Kill Team book on iBooks/Black Library. Free upgrade to the new version

Wish they'd done that for DFTS too, mind.

Neronoxx wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
I am super disappointed that Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus lost the main thing that set them apart from other factions, Imperatives and Canticles. That just feels like a major slap in the face. There is pretty much no reason to play either of those factions in KT aside from list tailoring now. Might as well play Imperial Guard and be able to use orders or play Sisters for their acts of faith. bs IMO. If Skitarii and Cult Mech don't get their rules then Space Marine shouldn't get any kind of Chapter Tactics.

I'd've thought the reason to play a Skitarii or a Cult army is because you want to play one of those armies. I mean hell, if I want to play some crazy machine-brain psychos, then Imperial Guard just isn't going to cut it.

In addition to that though, I would like to actually use the armies rules that my codex is supposed to have and that I am paying for with the point cost of those units. I hate that for this specific game, I can't use all the tools that I am supposed to have available to me just because I am playing a particular army, when other factions do not have the same stipulation.

Easily one of the most powerful army-specific tools in Kill-Team, and a representation of a larger directive than occupies Kill-Teams agenda.
5 skiitari with guns fighting some random orks probably aren't the focus of the magus, so that could explain the fluff side.
But hey, at leasy you have cool guns and tech no other imperial faction has access to.

BrookM wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:
Easily one of the most powerful army-specific tools in Kill-Team, and a representation of a larger directive than occupies Kill-Teams agenda.
5 skiitari with guns fighting some random orks probably aren't the focus of the magus, so that could explain the fluff side.
But hey, at leasy you have cool guns and tech no other imperial faction has access to.

Actually a nicely fluffy way of putting it.

And yeah, for these smaller engagements the weapons these guys tote should more than suffice in most cases. Radium carbines in particular, especially in the hands of a specialist are quite nasty.

Eh I suppose that makes sense, really I'm just salty that I don't get to use my special rules because they come in so clutch for me so often.

EDIT: Nvm.

TheCustomLime wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
What amuses me is that they seem to believe that £40 is $65 USD. That is pretty wishful thinking on GW's part.

I'm sure this has been discussed ad nausium. But the differences in prices between regions are not solely down to currency fluctuations. How much does it cost to ship all those Kill Team Box Sets to North America, what taxes do GW pay? How are their overheads in that region different to the ones in the UK.

Considering the US and UK are both members of the WTO and major trading partners I wouldn't imagine it to be very high.

Oh? I didn't know the WTO negated shipping fares across the Atlantic Ocean, as well as logistical expenses across the vast continent of North America...as well as local sales taxes and basic overheads.

My bad.

New pyshic powers in interesting, Even if I hate having to use formations. Will wait and see if this gets me excited for 40k agien. Other wise I have been enjoying 30k and AoS's 1.5 ed alot more.

 General Kroll wrote:

TheCustomLime wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
What amuses me is that they seem to believe that £40 is $65 USD. That is pretty wishful thinking on GW's part.

I'm sure this has been discussed ad nausium. But the differences in prices between regions are not solely down to currency fluctuations. How much does it cost to ship all those Kill Team Box Sets to North America, what taxes do GW pay? How are their overheads in that region different to the ones in the UK.

Considering the US and UK are both members of the WTO and major trading partners I wouldn't imagine it to be very high.

Oh? I didn't know the WTO negated shipping fares across the Atlantic Ocean, as well as logistical expenses across the vast continent of North America...as well as local sales taxes and basic overheads.

My bad.

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say negated. I said they probably aren't that high. Certainly not high enough to justify a 20% hike. And furthermore we do get charged for sales tax in the states but that cost isn't bult in to the price. You pay extra at checkout.

If I had to guess the price is based off of the pre-brexit exchange rate of 40k products. Before then the USD and Pound price were more or less at parity with a slight edge in favor of the pound. Usually to round off the price. GW is not want to lower their prices because that's not in their corporate mindset. Thus, the discrepency.

The way Gdub keeps slapping new covers on the mini rulebooks of a lot of stuff coming out, Im getting supicious that there is gonna be a new rulebook soon, and gdub is getting rid of excess inventory.


Hope they have just the killteams rulebook somewhere. I don't want any of that other stuff!

 Phydox wrote:
The way Gdub keeps slapping new covers on the mini rulebooks of a lot of stuff coming out, Im getting supicious that there is gonna be a new rulebook soon, and gdub is getting rid of excess inventory.

You hypothesis makes no sense, since each new cover is a new print run.

If anything, GW flooding us with freshly printed mini 7E rulebooks would be an indication that 8E isn't just around the corner, as some people speculate.

Speaking of mini rulebooks, what's on the cover of the Kill Team box sets mini rulebook ? I didn't even think to check.

Really interesting. Getting rid of "army wide rules" is a good way to balance small forces (or not getting crazy with rules becoming suddenly stupid when each model is treated as a separate unit, mind you).

Will definitely use my Renegade Guard or Sisters of Battle for this.

And yes, it's a smart move from GW. If there is a kind of game that suits really well 40k detailed rules, it's definitely a skirmish wargame. Also means most of these new warbands can be recruited with one or two boxes, most of the time. And then you end with another full army, as usual.

The Emperor be damned, it feels like GW is really welcoming me back into the Hobby with open arms. That's what happens when you put people at the head who actually listen to their first line workforce (who are directly talking to their customers, after all ).

 adamsouza wrote:

Speaking of mini rulebooks, what's on the cover of the Kill Team box sets mini rulebook ? I didn't even think to check.

Based on the pictures on GW's site, looks like a PA Raven Guard marine. Looks like they're matching up the rulebook cover with the box it comes it since the one in Death Masque is Artemis (or at least a DeathWatch marine).

Where are y'all getting that Skitarii won't have Doctrina Imperatives in Kill Team? It says they have them in the example PDF.


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Oh I see it in the sample page. Why is it listed in the formation then? Weird.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Phydox wrote:
The way Gdub keeps slapping new covers on the mini rulebooks of a lot of stuff coming out, Im getting supicious that there is gonna be a new rulebook soon, and gdub is getting rid of excess inventory.

You hypothesis makes no sense, since each new cover is a new print run.

If anything, GW flooding us with freshly printed mini 7E rulebooks would be an indication that 8E isn't just around the corner, as some people speculate..

Even then, mini rule books are probably a fairly regular thing to produce, switching to 8th minis in each box will barely put any sort of restrictions on production.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

 Phydox wrote:
The way Gdub keeps slapping new covers on the mini rulebooks of a lot of stuff coming out, Im getting supicious that there is gonna be a new rulebook soon, and gdub is getting rid of excess inventory.

You hypothesis makes no sense, since each new cover is a new print run.

If anything, GW flooding us with freshly printed mini 7E rulebooks would be an indication that 8E isn't just around the corner, as some people speculate..

Even then, mini rule books are probably a fairly regular thing to produce, switching to 8th minis in each box will barely put any sort of restrictions on production.

While your point is true, it's not what I'm getting at. They're not emptying out the warehouse of 7E rulebooks to make room for 8E ones.

Do many people use Forgeworld armies for Kill Team?

I've always wanted some Corsairs but can't justify starting a new army... handful of jetpack dudes with supporting Wasp / Vyper / Hornet / jetbikes could be a cool kill team.

So the only thing in the box that's not an already "on the shelf" product, is the rule books?

Which, if you have an iOS device, you can put on that.

My friend likes the pricepoint. 80 bucks isn't that bad of a deal and could be a decent entry-way into 40k, unlike Dark Vengeance.

I managed to talk my roomate into getting back into 40k through this new Killteam box, let the GW guy talk me into the Armies on Parade and start "shilling" the 'Get Started' Boxes to other friends.

GW has changed, and I dont think any of my group were ready.

 Azreal13 wrote:

Even then, mini rule books are probably a fairly regular thing to produce, switching to 8th minis in each box will barely put any sort of restrictions on production.

To be honest I had the same thoughts that GW were running down their stock of rule books because it seems strange that they are dumping so many in these products. But as you said the assumption is that they print on demand. However I had a thought - what if did a print run using professional printers many moons ago. Then they may have roles or sheets of rules hiding away somewhere waiting to be bound an have a cover glued on. So it becomes part and part then, they have stocks of unglued paper they are clearing by producing new covered books. I suppose one way to check is whether the new FAQs are included. If they are it implies a relatively new print run, if not it is a possibility?

On an aside I feel a bit dissapointed with kill team. IIRC when it was first introduced many many years ago it was designed for a small band of elites like gaunts ghosts each with unique rules against a larger but less organised force so the strategy was to get in and get out quietly otherwise you got swamped and lost. This just feels a bit too like mini 40k.

The inclusion of a rulebook in most boxed sets these days is a pretty sweet deal though, meaning it can either serve as an alternative starter, or giving those who have the hardback rules access to a smaller booklet, something I missed out on for this edition because I didn't want to rebuy Dark Vengeance again.

The problem with the first incarnation of Kill Team was that not everybody was a champ when it came to fielding squads of Brutes, much rather wanting to field a Kill Team instead of playing the antagonist.

Plus, the old rules were not exactly elegant or easily condensed, with the game starting "cold" and only growing hotter as more klaxon counters were accrued over time.

 BrookM wrote:
The inclusion of a rulebook in most boxed sets these days is a pretty sweet deal though, meaning it can either serve as an alternative starter, or giving those who have the hardback rules access to a smaller booklet, something I missed out on for this edition because I didn't want to rebuy Dark Vengeance again.

The problem with the first incarnation of Kill Team was that not everybody was a champ when it came to fielding squads of Brutes, much rather wanting to field a Kill Team instead of playing the antagonist.

Plus, the old rules were not exactly elegant or easily condensed, with the game starting "cold" and only growing hotter as more klaxon counters were accrued over time.

I'm not saying there weren't issues, just that I think it is a missed opportunity to design small tight kill team ruleset that worked on this principle. The idea is not far off from Space Hulk in that you have one elite unit versus large numbers of 'grunts'. I just think it would it provide a more unique game rather than '40k light'.

I never had the issue of people not wanting to play the 'grunts', generally it was two quick games with each person swapping sides, but I suppose that depends on your gaming group.

Yeah, my group is far from ideal.

However, I don't know if you've read the description for the upcoming revised ruled, but included this blurb:

A section on additional gaming ideas – linked games, multiplayer Kill Team battles and games against hordes of enemies or powerful battle tanks.

I wonder how hard it would be to come up with a ruleset for 'NPC' grunts? The possibility of a co-op game where each player uses his/her own Kill Team would be pretty awesome IMO.

Edit: Never mind, I guess Geedubs have it covered!

 BrookM wrote:
Yeah, my group is far from ideal.

However, I don't know if you've read the description for the upcoming revised ruled, but included this blurb:

A section on additional gaming ideas – linked games, multiplayer Kill Team battles and games against hordes of enemies or powerful battle tanks.

It's the wording that doesn't inspire me because it's ideas rather than 'rules'. I would have liked a system that was integrated in the ruleset. But I accept we won't really know until we see the rules. My concern is it will just be tacked on "have you thought about doing this". Whereas I would have preferred full rules for some of the more unique units in the 40k World (Gaunt's Ghosts, Scheffers Last Chancers, Illlic's (sp?) rangers, Darkstriders pathfinders etc etc) and ways of creating your own. Rules for patrols, alarms, distractions etc etc. Basically allowing you to play a mini movie.