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 Future War Cultist wrote:
Wait, I'm confused. Are the sisters of silence being wrapped up with the sisters of battle?

No one knows, we have however had it confirmed by Atia as well as the GW video that Sisters of Battle models are coming.

Anything else is just pure speculation at this point.

Or some sort of bizarre personal crusade.

 EnTyme wrote:
Or some sort of bizarre personal crusade.

Lol! Indeed.

You know... they said there was going to be a 3-5x 50mm base kit, right? Or at least, that is the scuttlebutt. What base size were the sisters of silence on? I mean, worse case scenario, it could happen.

Based on the very very small picture of the entire board game, it looks like they're on the same 32mm bases as the space marines (you can see SoSes in the middle of the board with thousand sons marines close by)

Would some kind of small, two-woman buggy be out of line? Something like the FW Tauros, but more Sister of Battle looking? It would fill the same roll as a bike or Landspeeder, but make them totally different from space Marines.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Would some kind of small, two-woman buggy be out of line? Something like the FW Tauros, but more Sister of Battle looking? It would fill the same roll as a bike or Landspeeder, but make them totally different from space Marines.

Yes, something like this please. Maybe even make it a 5 model transport.

And I know most are not going to like this but part of me kinda wants GW to go back to the drawing board with their vehicles and give them new ones. Ones that more resemble IG vehicles than marine ones. Riveted armour, wrap around tracks etc. Keep the Excorist and the Immobilator, but redesign them from the ground up, and give them a new transport of their own. I don't know, I just got this feeling that rhino and landraider based tanks should be reserved for the marines and inquisition.

I even said before that I think ordinary sisters should downgrade to carapace armour and auto guns and shotguns with some sort of special ammunition and save the bolters and power armour for the elites. Just so that we don't have another army of bolter and power armour wearing imperials because there's way too many already. That's highly controversial though.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

I even said before that I think ordinary sisters should downgrade to carapace armour and auto guns and shotguns with some sort of special ammunition and save the bolters and power armour for the elites. Just so that we don't have another army of bolter and power armour wearing imperials because there's way too many already. That's highly controversial though.

I dont agree with you. Sisters are an highly elite force, a sacred order, if you dont give them Power Armour and Bolter they became Stormtroopers. But I agree with you on the transport question. After all the Immolator STC is relative to the turret that was mounted on a Rhino chassis, but nothing excludes to equip a different transport, like the Chimera or a new one, with that turret. Ultimately I dont like the idea of a buggy. Sororitas (and Ecclesiarchy) are a force that moves with all the frills. They came with hail lauders, censers, priest that give benediction to the troops... Buggy are for a super fast army like the Elysian Drop Troopers.

 Ezr91aeL wrote:
I dont agree with you. Sisters are an highly elite force, a sacred order, if you dont give them Power Armour and Bolter they became Stormtroopers. But I agree with you on the transport question. After all the Immolator STC is relative to the turret that was mounted on a Rhino chassis, but nothing excludes to equip a different transport, like the Chimera or a new one, with that turret. Ultimately I dont like the idea of a buggy. Sororitas (and Ecclesiarchy) are a force that moves with all the frills. They came with hail lauders, censers, priest that give benediction to the troops... Buggy are for a super fast army like the Elysian Drop Troopers.

But if you do give them power armour and bolt guns then they become marines.

It is just me I know but I'd rather they had something besides bolters and power armour. And their shield of faith and acts of faith can make up the sort fall. Save the power armour and bolt guns for the elite sisters like the celestians.

 Future War Cultist wrote:


But if you do give them power armour and bolt guns then they become marines.

It is just me I know but I'd rather they had something besides bolters and power armour. And their shield of faith and acts of faith can make up the sort fall. Save the power armour and bolt guns for the elite sisters like the celestians.

But you forget something: Sisters of Battle considers themselves better than Space Marines. If you dont belive that I'll quote you sister superior celestian Miriya from "Faith and Fire"

Sister Superior Celestian Miriya - Faith and Fire, Chaper 1 wrote:
Who else could be called forth to accomplish what we shall do today? The men of the Imperial Navy or the Guard? They would be dead in moments from the shock. The Adeptus Astartes? Those abhumans willingly welcome psykers into their own ranks. No, Iona, only we, the Sisters of Battle, can stand sentinel here.

So they deserve a same level equipment (if not a superior one).

The only weapon I think could substitute Bolters are Volkite, but that kind of weapon is nearly impossible to produce in the 41th millennium...

I believe that the sisters consider themselves better than the marines for sure, but that doesn't mean that everyone else does.

Volkite weapons would be perfect but that messes with the fluff too much. However if they could imitate the effect either with special ammunition or better yet, an act of faith...mores the better! Keep the faith and you can make your enemies burst into flames!

This whole idea that just because they wear power armour and wield bolt guns, means that Sisters are just another Marine faction is bunkum.

They have a totally different stat line and play style, not to mention a completely different aesthetic as far as models are concerned.

It's nonsense, and akin to saying a Ferrari is the same as a Fiat because they are both Italian, run on petrol, and have wheels.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

I even said before that I think ordinary sisters should downgrade to carapace armour and auto guns and shotguns with some sort of special ammunition and save the bolters and power armour for the elites. Just so that we don't have another army of bolter and power armour wearing imperials because there's way too many already. That's highly controversial though.

But then all they would be would be weaker scions. How is that better? And how are they "another" they have been around since 2nd/3rd ed. They are one of the original ones.


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 General Kroll wrote:
This whole idea that just because they wear power armour and wield bolt guns, means that Sisters are just another Marine faction is bunkum.

They have a totally different stat line and play style, not to mention a completely different aesthetic as far as models are concerned.

It's nonsense, and akin to saying a Ferrari is the same as a Fiat because they are both Italian, run on petrol, and have wheels.

QFT

@ General Kroll

I know all that. I was just trying to see if there's any way to make them more different to marines.

@ Salted Diamond

I didn't necessary say that I wanted them better. I wanted them different.

But look, I understand I'm alone on this line of thinking so I won't push it. I wouldn't lose sleep if they stuck with bolt guns and power armour. I'm fine with it. But if they wanted to change their style I'd be up for it.

I want a Sisters of Silence Elite choice in the Adepta Sororitas codex.

kenbian wrote:
Found this on B&C

From 4chan:
According to a mate, these are the profiles for custodes and sisters:

Custodes:
ws6, bs4, s5, t5, w2, i5, a3, ld10, 2+/4++.
hatred, furious charge, rampage.

Sisters:
ws5, bs4, s3, t3, w1, i5, a2, ld10, 2+.
Preferred enemy (psykers), hatred (psykers)
furious charge and a pariah blade which inflicts ID on any model with the psyker special rule and otherwise is ap3.
they will have the pariah rule meaning they can never be the target of any psychic power. and all psychic powers cease to be in effect within 6" of the unit

I want a 100% Sisters of Battle codex. No Imperial Priests or inducted Guard or any of that other nonsense- especially a mandatory Imperial Preacher for anything related to the Sisters of Battle.

HQ
Cannoness
Celestians

T
Sisters of Battle Squad

E
Hospitaltors
Dominions
Some kind of Close Combat squad (not naked women with Evisorators- such a dumb idea)

FA
Seraphim
New flyer

HS
Exorcist
Land Raiders
Retributors

Dedicated Transports
Rhino
Immolator
Drop Pod

Lord of War
Saint Celestine

Simple, clean, and workable. The real fun would come in the detachments.

I'd had to argue against Drop pods. Those are (fluff wise) straight SM. They are the only ones who can supossedly survive the drop due their inhanced bodies. So I'd prefer no to drop pods.

As for priests, SoB are the army of the church after all. Priests go along with IG, why would they not go along with thier own military.

As for repenta, I don't mind mine, but to each their own.


If Saint Celestine get's EW and/or unlimited respawn, then she can go LoW.

 Salted Diamond wrote:
I'd had to argue against Drop pods. Those are (fluff wise) straight SM. They are the only ones who can supossedly survive the drop due their inhanced bodies. So I'd prefer no to drop pods.

Wrong. Drop Pods requires to wear Power Armour or special system of survability. It's written on Rogue Trader: Into The Storm RGP manual (you can buy them). In particular Adepta Sororitas uses Drop Pods in the fluff and they have their own patter: the Dominica Pattern.
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Drop_Pod

My problem with Adepta Sororita's Priests is that they should be female priests, in power armor, more like SM Chaplains and less like the same guys who run around with Astra Militarum.

Any thing that distances SoB from the perception they are female marines is a positive... anything that makes them more like marines is a negative.

So, do we have confirmation or not? Is this a true thing (finally), or just another empty wish/troll attempt from desperate fans/GWtrollHQ?

 master of ordinance wrote:
So, do we have confirmation or not? Is this a true thing (finally), or just another empty wish/troll attempt from desperate fans/GWtrollHQ?

Lady Atia says its true so it is. The video teased says 6 months or so. Give or take depending on any delays that could happen.

 adamsouza wrote:
My problem with Adepta Sororita's Priests is that they should be female priests, in power armor, more like SM Chaplains and less like the same guys who run around with Astra Militarum.

GW has never really gone into the nature of the Ecclesiarchy or the possibility that it is a patriarchy. The SoB have a certain thematic basis in Christian religious orders where sisters and nuns are forced to be compliant to a male priesthood.

That said I don't think there should be anything with female priest models but I do think they should be inline with what's in the Imperial Guard. I think changing that would create another head scratching moment similar to basic level techpriest/enginseers being absent from all the 40k mechanicus armies. But I guess it really does really come down to how the SoB are portrayed as fitting into that Ecclesiarchy hierarchy.

 Tamwulf wrote:

T
Sisters of Battle Squad

E
Hospitaltors
Dominions
Some kind of Close Combat squad (not naked women with Evisorators- such a dumb idea)

I'm of the opinion that every army needs at least 2 troops options. Repentia are the only thing at the moment that might be the second choice, but there's nothing stopping entirely new options, like sisters-in-training unit (Carapace Armor?) or a close combat version of regular sisters (no need for this to be elites) with flamers and CC kit. Personally I'd love to see a unit of Sisters with (power?) halberds.

 aka_mythos wrote:
Any thing that distances SoB from the perception they are female marines is a positive... anything that makes them more like marines is a negative.

Better get rid of the bolters then.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
My problem with Adepta Sororita's Priests is that they should be female priests, in power armor, more like SM Chaplains and less like the same guys who run around with Astra Militarum.

GW has never really gone into the nature of the Ecclesiarchy or the possibility that it is a patriarchy. The SoB have a certain thematic basis in Christian religious orders where sisters and nuns are forced to be compliant to a male priesthood.

That said I don't think there should be anything with female priest models but I do think they should be inline with what's in the Imperial Guard. I think changing that would create another head scratching moment similar to basic level techpriest/enginseers being absent from all the 40k mechanicus armies. But I guess it really does really come down to how the SoB are portrayed as fitting into that Ecclesiarchy hierarchy.

Imperial Guard run around in T-shirts and Flack armor, so a robed priest doesn't seem out of place.

Adepta Sororitas run around in divine powered armor, and their spiritual leader runs around in a robe.

If he's male because it Is patriarchy then fine, put the priest in some power armor, like an Inquisitor.

I really suspect it's more a matter of GW being lazy, or economical, and not wanting to produce a powered armored priest, than a fluffy reason.

My thoughts on what I would like to see in the Codex:

AoF, allow each unit to roll a leadership check EACH turn to use their unit specific AoF. Once a unit fails this check, or any other leadership based check they can no longer attempt to use an AoF. Simulacrum allow a re-roll for AoF checks.

Celestians, either give them close combat weapons and rosarius or give them a new AoF and role altogether.

Repentia, give them FnP base, re-roll of Shield of Faith like Seraphim and change their AoF to allow attacks after death like they used to have.

Units and IC's that are slain grant the SoB army "Martyrdom" points that grant an army wide buff that increases as losses increase. Built to fit their fluff and be the completion of the armies core Faith and Martyrdom mechanic.

Allow frateris Militia to be taken as part of an Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave. Allows players who field priests to take the nutters who follow them cheaply, but not as a troop choice, no way they are the base of the army.

Redemptionists like unit with confessors, limited to one special or heavy weapon per ten as a second troop choice.

PenEngines get IWND and FnP, re-roll of Shield of Faith saves.

Palatine returns as additional HQ choice, jump pack option returns for her and the canoness.

Reduce cost of twin inferno pistols for Seraphim to same as twin hand flamers.

Torrent for Immolator twin heavy flamer turret. Would be great for ALL SoB flamers to get a 6' torrent to set them apart (and above)

Chirurgeon as a 1-3 elite

Formations akin to the basic idea of their old apoc formations with updated rules and requirements.

The thing I want most from the new Codex is to be only average in power.

I absolutely, positively, do not ever want the Sisters of Battle Codex to ever be the most powerful Codex in the game.

I would honestly rather have Sisters of Battle be the least powerful army in the game than the most powerful.

And I, honestly, am frightened that Games Workshop might view the Sororitas history of low sales numbers, and consciously decide that to ensure the success of the new models, they need to make the Sisters of Battle Codex overpowered to convince as many people to get into the army as possible.

A situation where Sisters of Battle are overpowered is, frankly, a nightmare scenario for me.

Many of you, undoubtedly, do not understand why I fear my army being powerful. Why I do not want to be the most powerful in the game.

The reason stems back to 2012, when I was talking to a long-term Grey Knights player on Dakka, and he described what it was like for him in 2011 when the 5e Grey Knights Codex came out.

Those FotM comments that people make about people who people who play the most powerful army... Those comments are indiscriminatory. No one who makes those comments bothers to find out anything about the person they're making them about. They are not limited to only people who did switch armies to be the most powerful, they are also leveled at long-term players of the army who would've been playing it anyways.

A particular situation he described was the most damning evidence of all that no matter what, you cannot get people to stop making those comments until your army is no longer the overpowered one. He was setting up for a game against a buddy he'd been playing against for years, who knew how long he'd been playing Grey Knights and that they were his main army the whole time. That friend, who knew him, who knew how long he'd been playing Grey Knights, who had the most first-hand knowledge that is possible that the Grey Knights player he was facing was not a FotM army switcher, looked at the Grey Knights, and made one of those rude comments people make when they're up against the FotM army. The Grey Knights player pointed out how he should know Grey Knights was his main army. The answer was, as I recall, "Oh. Yeah. Been a while since you've pulled them out though."

This guy had not gotten the new models. All of his Grey Knights were metal and well-painted and based. Still, he received those comments constantly.

My main army for the past... getting close to a decade now at least... has been Sisters of Battle. They are the only faction I am willing to play in the TTG. My collection has been complete for five years and I have had faith that the plastics will come someday ever since, though my hope has wavered from time to time.

If Sisters of Battle become overpowered, every time I talk about my army to anyone online who knows about WH40k tabletop, I am going to hear those comments.

Every time I come to Dakka, I am going to receive those comments. It is inevitable.

Sisters of Battle being overpowered would make discussing WH40k tabletop unpleasant to the point I may simply stop discussing it altogether until a new FotM army appears.

And not a single one of the people on this forum will care how long I have played Sisters of Battle. Not a single person will feel bad that the things they're saying are ruining my enjoyment of WH40k. They will all feel fully justified.

And frankly, they're directing their anger at the completely wrong place. Sisters of Battle players will have had no hand in making the army overpowered. No FotM army is overpowered because the players made it overpowered. Players do not have any control over how powerful anything is. That decision lies fully, completely with the game designers. The people who wrote those rules into existence.

But people are going to insult me like I had something to do with it.

Sticks and Stones and all that Pouncey, but I hear you. I have only played my RG once since Kauyon/Angels of Death came out. Not because they are so OP, but because a bunch of less discerning players locally jumped to them immediately. Suddenly the tables were full of bare plastic Raven Guard and I would rather let my 3ed old battle company sit on the shelf than be associated with the dex jumper crowd.

The SoB dex doesnt need much, fix our three weak units and correct and expand AoF as the armies core mechanic and we are fine. Some neato things would still be out there, but the SoB don't NEED them.

 dracpanzer wrote:
Sticks and Stones and all that Pouncey, but I hear you. I have only played my RG once since Kauyon/Angels of Death came out. Not because they are so OP, but because a bunch of less discerning players locally jumped to them immediately. Suddenly the tables were full of bare plastic Raven Guard and I would rather let my 3ed old battle company sit on the shelf than be associated with the dex jumper crowd.

The SoB dex doesnt need much, fix our three weak units and correct and expand AoF as the armies core mechanic and we are fine. Some neato things would still be out there, but the SoB don't NEED them.

I suppose I'd be a bit lucky in that eventuality then. I only play at home, and my mom is a very casual gamer so she wouldn't be making any such comments.