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2017/01/09 20:53:07
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
ThirstySpaceMan wrote: Thanks to all for explaining LotD to me. I personality like ghostly version over plague marines version. My head canon had them as echoes of fallen marines from the warp. Or the SM version of saint Celestin.
Sure, but...
Spoiler:
a brotherhood of Space Marines, horribly disfigured, on the brink to madness and awaiting their unsung, terrible death, that choose to fight until the last one of them dies, is also a strong theme. They know there's no return, no help and they would be attacked and killed instantly by the Imperium they still serve. Fulfilling their duty as Marines to defend humanity and laying their destiny in the Emperor's hand is all they can... they want do...
2017/01/09 21:52:40
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Wulfey wrote: That Triumvirate of the Imperium formation has to be like 500-700 points. I wonder what you could really run that with.
About 1150 points of other stuff, I'm guessing.
Battle Company fits into that pretty easy.
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2017/01/09 22:00:13
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Are the 40k rules getting AoSed down to 4 pages and you basicly moving your minis around going pew pew I doubt it, but even on the little info we have on FoC it certainly looks like the setting/fluff is going to get AoSed within an inch of it's life.
I fully expect Wardian and Goto level fluff [MOD EDIT - Please find a different way to express that - thanks! Alpharius], I also expect that if your not a smurf or CSM player then your in for a bumpy ride if you enjoy the current fluff of.your army.
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Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
2017/01/09 23:04:32
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
SeanDrake wrote: Are the 40k rules getting AoSed down to 4 pages and you basicly moving your minis around going pew pew I doubt it, but even on the little info we have on FoC it certainly looks like the setting/fluff is going to get AoSed within an inch of it's life.
I fully expect Wardian and Goto level fluff [MOD EDIT - Please find a different way to express that - thanks! Alpharius], I also expect that if your not a smurf or CSM player then your in for a bumpy ride if you enjoy the current fluff of.your army.
My Guard are already the galaxy's punching bags. Only way is up for our fluff
Just took another look at Celestine's new model. How on God's green earth am I supposed to fit her or her bodyguards into a case without snapping something?
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TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
Space Marine flyers are shaped for the greatest possible air resistance so that the air may never defeat the SPACE MARINES!
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
2017/01/10 04:04:55
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Wulfey wrote: I ordered Saturday morning. I figured they would sell out by the end of Saturday. Surprised that stocks lasted til Monday.
U.S. and GB have been sold out since yesterday afternoon.
I pre-ordered on Saturday and had it directed to my FLGS 5 miles up the road. How does that store delivery thing work? It should be there this Saturday, right?
Did you have it delivered to a GW or a different shop?
If it's to a GW, expect a "talking to"(you having it delivered to the store doesn't count as a sale for the manager, but if you had gone in on Saturday morning and preodered it through the terminal in-store and had it delivered to your house but selected the "Pay In Store" option--it would count as a sale for the manager) but yeah your models will be there on Saturday assuming the weather didn't futz anything up.
If you had it delivered to an independent shop, I have no idea why you would do that instead of just having it shipped to your house/apartment.
I buy some things in the store. I have pre-ordered in the store once. I have ordered and pre-ordered from the web and had it shipped to my local store for pick-up many times. The local store is there for my convenience, I'm not there for theirs. While I would never tolerate a store manager giving me a "talking too" about my buying habits I've never had to. The staff at my local store has never been anything but pleasant, friendly and enthusiastically helpful.
I buy some things in the store. I have pre-ordered in the store once. I have ordered and pre-ordered from the web and had it shipped to my local store for pick-up many times. The local store is there for my convenience, I'm not there for theirs. While I would never tolerate a store manager giving me a "talking too" about my buying habits I've never had to. The staff at my local store has never been anything but pleasant, friendly and enthusiastically helpful.
I totally agree with this sentiment - the store staff are employed at company level, not store level. Individual store metrics mean bupkiss beyond manager bonuses. If they haven't linked online orders and in store delivery locations for tracking of sales down to store level that's their issue and not ours as a consumer.
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Those damn monkeys keep stealing my saving throws
Azrael13: Conversions should be a choice, not a necessity to make a "premium" product acceptable.
2017/01/10 05:51:07
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
BrookM wrote: According to the posts, they had beaten back the invaders, but at a heavy price.
They also said that, once Abaddon regroups (which he'll do more quicklier than the imperium) he'll take Cadia no problem. As someone else said, this is just setting the scene for the conquest proper.
So instead of 1 minute to midnight we're at 59 seconds to midnight?
More like 59.5 seconds, tbh.
At least stuff happens in AoS. You may disagree with it or not find it very good but you get a good grasp of something actually going on with these events.
The thing a lot of people miss is that pretty much nothing has happened in 40K for 25 years, and a lot of people were perfectly fine with that.
It's not a story. It's a setting for us to play plastic toy soldiers with other people. It doesn't need to get ' up with stupid storylines. Just let us all keep making them up in our heads.
What's worse is that there is 10,000 years of back story to explore for pretty much all the armies aside from Tau, Necrons and Tyranids (and Tyranids don't need much of a story). Just go back in time. Tell us about some big war of the past if you want to tell a story. Especially if it's just the same old Chaos vs Imperium.
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
About slaanesh this has been known if you have been following the narrative of AOS and people are still misinformed about this?
Doesn't mean they couldn't have Slaanesh go missing in 40k as well to return later. Easy as stealing a candy from a kid if they want to. Real Q therefore is what is timeline for the return. Not that return in AOS means it couldn't go missing in 40k in turn though.
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2017/01/10 07:21:51
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
The fall of Slaanesh is the key to the rise of the Eldar. Everyone knows Eldar outsell Slaanesh models. They can make a whole new greater-Eldar storyline about the purging of the webway and the reclaiming of what the Eldar once were.
2017/01/10 08:09:10
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Does that tzeench model have more options like the Magnus model? I wonder when they release the keeper of secrets that it will have tame options and more classical version options.
Question; the Cellestine's 2 accompanying sisters of Battle, do they come with helmet option also?
Jehan-reznor wrote: Does that tzeench model have more options like the Magnus model? I wonder when they release the keeper of secrets that it will have tame options and more classical version options.
Question; the Cellestine's 2 accompanying sisters of Battle, do they come with helmet option also?
Doesn't look like it. No helmets that I can see on the sprues.
Jehan-reznor wrote: Does that tzeench model have more options like the Magnus model? I wonder when they release the keeper of secrets that it will have tame options and more classical version options.
Question; the Cellestine's 2 accompanying sisters of Battle, do they come with helmet option also?
I think Atia said you can make a couple of different looking LoC, and Fateweaver.
Wulfey wrote: The fall of Slaanesh is the key to the rise of the Eldar. Everyone knows Eldar outsell Slaanesh models. They can make a whole new greater-Eldar storyline about the purging of the webway and the reclaiming of what the Eldar once were.
Purging all the souls in the infinity circuits would be an odd way to kick it off.
2017/01/10 08:58:25
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
BrookM wrote: According to the posts, they had beaten back the invaders, but at a heavy price.
They also said that, once Abaddon regroups (which he'll do more quicklier than the imperium) he'll take Cadia no problem. As someone else said, this is just setting the scene for the conquest proper.
So instead of 1 minute to midnight we're at 59 seconds to midnight?
More like 59.5 seconds, tbh.
At least stuff happens in AoS. You may disagree with it or not find it very good but you get a good grasp of something actually going on with these events.
The thing a lot of people miss is that pretty much nothing has happened in 40K for 25 years, and a lot of people were perfectly fine with that.
It's not a story. It's a setting for us to play plastic toy soldiers with other people. It doesn't need to get ' up with stupid storylines. Just let us all keep making them up in our heads.
What's worse is that there is 10,000 years of back story to explore for pretty much all the armies aside from Tau, Necrons and Tyranids (and Tyranids don't need much of a story). Just go back in time. Tell us about some big war of the past if you want to tell a story. Especially if it's just the same old Chaos vs Imperium.
there are also lots of people that are perfectly fine with an advancing story. I am super exited and my Wolves just got kicked in the nuts...
What makes you think that your group of nurglish stagnation is more important than my group of tzeenchian change?
If you want to play pick up games or tournaments, the fluff doesn't matter at all. Or are you one of those guys that tell complete strangers the detailed story of their army before starting the game?
If you play with like-minded friends, just don't read any new fluff if you don't want to. I really don't see why you have such a big issue with it. It's fantasy events in a fantasy universe. It's your decision if you let it affect you. Some people don't like that the mysteries of the Heresy are revealed. They just don't read the books and are done with it.
2017/01/10 09:02:08
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Wulfey wrote: The fall of Slaanesh is the key to the rise of the Eldar. Everyone knows Eldar outsell Slaanesh models. They can make a whole new greater-Eldar storyline about the purging of the webway and the reclaiming of what the Eldar once were.
So you think that Slanneshi Boogaloo, part 2 (Part 1 courtesy of Age of Sigmar) is the way to go with the Eldar storyline? Khaine just pops Slannesh with his sword and Isha manages to convince her husband (Nurgle) to give that freak the worst case of diarrhea possible? Making him/it/her regurgitate every single soul of the Eldar that has been consumed for all ages from every orifice?
No thanks. The Fall of the Eldar is long been at hand, and I hope they die off.
PourSpelur wrote: It's fully within the rules for me to look up your Facebook page, find out your dear Mother Gladys is single, take her on a lovely date, and tell you all the details of our hot, sweaty, animal sex during your psychic phase.
I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
There's no rule that says I can't.
A reaction to several hysteria posts on websites (Robbie didnt name them) and forums. These were misinterpreting the bombarding of Midgardia artwork at the end of the Warzone Fenris I book (confirmed at the time by the artist on Deviantart, and by the Curse of the Wulfen campaign book, that it is showing Midgardia) as 'the Dark Angels destroying the homeworld of the Wolves and the end of Warhammer 40k as we know it'. It wasnt planet Fenris, GW hasn't removed the Space Wolves from the game, the reboot of the universe and system into an 'Age of the Emperor' did not happen :-D And the Dark Angels and Space Wolves have settled their issues and are fighting side by side again - so are not at war with each other which was the underlying thesis back then to stir up controversy.
Here are two examples of these articles and discussions circulating at the time to give an impression what the mood was like in early 2016
The game and its factions are still here. I'm sure the Cadia miniature range won't be removed either. I would like more IG regiments in plastic though. I recently bought some Moonraker SciFi Troopers (sculpted by Mark Copplestone) as they work well as Necromunda security forces. Maybe I should order a start collecting box of Tempestus to bulk them out.
TLDR; It is not the end of 40k as we know it
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Vorian wrote: New developments have the potential to tell new and interesting stories, to have new and interesting units / models.
Change will not always be along the lamest path you can imagine.
+1
And I actually enjoy that GW is fleshing out the story aspect of the game again. It may not be perfect. But it has been quite entertaining so far.
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2017/01/10 12:04:13
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
If we've hit 'Story vs Setting' debates for the 97th time, can we all pray to the Emperor for some more teaser images? If enough of us try He may hear us and bless us with plastic Sisters/Chaos/TurboCadians to fill the rumour void.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2017/01/10 12:19:21
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
I buy some things in the store. I have pre-ordered in the store once. I have ordered and pre-ordered from the web and had it shipped to my local store for pick-up many times. The local store is there for my convenience, I'm not there for theirs. While I would never tolerate a store manager giving me a "talking too" about my buying habits I've never had to. The staff at my local store has never been anything but pleasant, friendly and enthusiastically helpful.
I totally agree with this sentiment - the store staff are employed at company level, not store level. Individual store metrics mean bupkiss beyond manager bonuses. If they haven't linked online orders and in store delivery locations for tracking of sales down to store level that's their issue and not ours as a consumer.
Just don't go complaining when the store closes and you loose your "convenience".
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2017/01/10 12:44:50
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
I buy some things in the store. I have pre-ordered in the store once. I have ordered and pre-ordered from the web and had it shipped to my local store for pick-up many times. The local store is there for my convenience, I'm not there for theirs. While I would never tolerate a store manager giving me a "talking too" about my buying habits I've never had to. The staff at my local store has never been anything but pleasant, friendly and enthusiastically helpful.
I totally agree with this sentiment - the store staff are employed at company level, not store level. Individual store metrics mean bupkiss beyond manager bonuses. If they haven't linked online orders and in store delivery locations for tracking of sales down to store level that's their issue and not ours as a consumer.
Just don't go complaining when the store closes and you loose your "convenience".
His point(I think) wasn't he shouldn't be punished for GW's options.
GW gives you chance to order to GW store pickup. They can EASILY track those just as well as sales from store. Therefore either GW needs to stop offering service or not punish player by using it by say...closing store despite knowing just how much that store is used for store pick up.
Why offer service your customers aren't supposed to use? "Hey we offer free delivery to our store nearest to you! But if you use it you are bad person! Don't use our service!"
Makes zero sense.
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2017/01/10 12:54:39
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
I buy some things in the store. I have pre-ordered in the store once. I have ordered and pre-ordered from the web and had it shipped to my local store for pick-up many times. The local store is there for my convenience, I'm not there for theirs. While I would never tolerate a store manager giving me a "talking too" about my buying habits I've never had to. The staff at my local store has never been anything but pleasant, friendly and enthusiastically helpful.
I totally agree with this sentiment - the store staff are employed at company level, not store level. Individual store metrics mean bupkiss beyond manager bonuses. If they haven't linked online orders and in store delivery locations for tracking of sales down to store level that's their issue and not ours as a consumer.
Just don't go complaining when the store closes and you loose your "convenience".
His point(I think) wasn't he shouldn't be punished for GW's options.
GW gives you chance to order to GW store pickup. They can EASILY track those just as well as sales from store. Therefore either GW needs to stop offering service or not punish player by using it by say...closing store despite knowing just how much that store is used for store pick up.
Why offer service your customers aren't supposed to use? "Hey we offer free delivery to our store nearest to you! But if you use it you are bad person! Don't use our service!"
Makes zero sense.
Fair enough and well said. Thing is the way I read it, it didn't come out that way but an almost middle finger to cooperate attitude.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2017/01/10 14:57:46
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Jehan-reznor wrote: Does that tzeench model have more options like the Magnus model? I wonder when they release the keeper of secrets that it will have tame options and more classical version options.
Question; the Cellestine's 2 accompanying sisters of Battle, do they come with helmet option also?
Doesn't look like it. No helmets that I can see on the sprues.
Keep in mind that you can use the helms from the Immolator sprue to give them helmets since the heads are separate.
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Inquisition, 2500 points
Baneblade
' up with stupid storylines. Just let us all keep making them up in our heads.
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