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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

I just don’t get the need to harp on constantly about it, or comment on it.

I could list a great number of well loved TV series that I utterly loathe. But I don’t feel any compulsion to do so. I just don’t watch them, and let each be about their own. And that includes follow ups to series I have enjoyed. And indeed, specific seasons of shows I loved, loathed, then loved again.

I mean, what’s the actual point? What does such an activity achieve? What’s the endgame? Where’s the gain?

Harp on it constantly? It was literally my first post in this thread in 30 days that garnered your derisive response, love. Again, if responding after one month is "harping constantly" in your opinion, you *REALLY* need to look into starting a blog so as not to inconvienence yourself with actual discussion since you're clearly not looking for anything other than vapid agreement. As for that great number of well loved TV shows, how many are still on air? How many are actively being discussed on dakka recently? How many had significant news like you posted about today that I responded to? I'm guessing that number is a big fat zero so whatever comparison you're thinking of with I love Lucy or Kindred: The Embraced is moot.

As for the actual point, it's the same point as that of dakka as in to drive discussion although in a more polite manner than you've steered the discussion (and admittedly that I'm responding in kind with). If you can't handle a dissenting opinion (and I freely admit it's simply an opinion/preference that you're free to disagree with), you should take a step back and look at the toxic fandom that you're guilty of instead of chiding others. All I literally said was that it was disappointing... that's it. Congrats, though, because now I think I'll be a more regular contributor to the thread so I hope you have some calming earl grey tea (preferably hot) to sooth your nerves in the coming days/weeks.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s nice pet.

Have you tried, like, not watching stuff you don’t enjoy, and letting each be unto their own?

You mean like I'm doing this season by not watching after having watched the first and being disappointed? This is a discussion forum and I'm discussing the recent development on the show. If you don't like it, have you tried, like, starting a blog where you can just post monologues all day/every day and approve comments before posting so that you don't risk encountering opinions that don't match your own?

I just don’t get the need to harp on constantly about it, or comment on it.

I could list a great number of well loved TV series that I utterly loathe. But I don’t feel any compulsion to do so. I just don’t watch them, and let each be about their own. And that includes follow ups to series I have enjoyed. And indeed, specific seasons of shows I loved, loathed, then loved again.

I mean, what’s the actual point? What does such an activity achieve? What’s the endgame? Where’s the gain?

It’s like The Last Jedi. I for one enjoyed it. And whilst I get opinions very much vary, I don’t actually care. Yet try starting a Star Wars thread on Dakka, and not have it devolve into mindless, repetive tripe by those that didn’t like The Last Jedi. You can’t. At all.

That’s not say those that didn’t enjoy it are wrong. Just that they’ve proven to be crushing bores over the matter.


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 Formosa wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s nice pet.

Have you tried, like, not watching stuff you don’t enjoy, and letting each be unto their own?

You mean like I'm doing this season by not watching after having watched the first and being disappointed? This is a discussion forum and I'm discussing the recent development on the show. If you don't like it, have you tried, like, starting a blog where you can just post monologues all day/every day and approve comments before posting so that you don't risk encountering opinions that don't match your own?

Hahaha Burn..ham.

Anywho, anyone seen this fan theory that says the Red angel might be spock trying to merge the timelines? so STD, Prime and Kelvin timelines? if true that would go a long way to fixing some of the inconsistencies within the series and could mean Picard series could be part of it, what do you all think?

On the second bit, I did postulate there may be a link twixt Spock, Red Matter and The Red Angel. I’ve not put much thought into it (thinks are for work, where I’m paid well for them). Would be an interesting plot point. Which doesn’t mean it’s immune to poor execution or criticism.

I would like it to go down that route, it would be more interesting that the posibility of Burnham being the Red Angel and in the off chance she is, well that means she will probably turn up in Picard series, I shudder at the prospect of that.

Spock is the most likely candidate for the red angel to me though

But warboss.

We all know you don’t enjoy Disco. And totally fair enough.

Yet you took the time out of your day, which I assume is at least as busy as my own, to express disappointment that a show you don’t like, and don’t watch, is getting a further season for you to, erm, well, seemingly, not watch.

I just don’t get it.

I mean, I utterly loathe Friends. I think it’s completely awful in every aspect. Yet I don’t seek threads and comments explicitly about an otherwise popular show to express just how much I effing loathe it.

Take ‘The Orville’. It may be very good, and if peeps enjoy it, that’s cool. But me? I cannot stand it’s point of origin. It’s creator. Yes, I could go into great and indeed deeply verbose reasons as to why I’m not interested on that count. But I don’t. I see the inherent futility of doing so.

All the next person has (not needs. Nobody needs to know my opinion. Well, outside of my profession, on account I’m genuinely paid for my opinion) get is that I don’t want to watch it.

The whys and wherefores just don’t matter at all. I could kick up a self righteous crusade of indignation here on Dakka, and achieve nowt. So I don’t bother. Because I get that nobody actually gives much of a toss what I think. And if they do?

Outside of the gaming aspect, where they might seek to learn my successes and failures?

In the words of Vic and Bob?

It doesn’t matter. Can’t say it matters. It doesn’t really matter. Don’t matter.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But warboss.

We all know you don’t enjoy Disco. And totally fair enough.

Yet you took the time out of your day, which I assume is at least as busy as my own, to express disappointment that a show you don’t like, and don’t watch, is getting a further season for you to, erm, well, seemingly, not watch.

I just don’t get it.

I mean, I utterly loathe Friends. I think it’s completely awful in every aspect. Yet I don’t seek threads and comments explicitly about an otherwise popular show to express just how much I effing loathe it.

Take ‘The Orville’. It may be very good, and if peeps enjoy it, that’s cool. But me? I cannot stand it’s point of origin. It’s creator. Yes, I could go into great and indeed deeply verbose reasons as to why I’m not interested on that count. But I don’t. I see the inherent futility of doing so.

You remember my thoughts from a month ago when I lasted my opinion on dakka regarding Discovery? I'm both flattered and have to commend you on your eidetic memory that would make Sheldon jealous (that's a Big Bang Theory reference btw in case you're not into that sitcom). Also, who is this we that you're speaking for? Was there a vote that I missed in thread? Regardless, I took time out of my day to simply say that I was disappointed and hoped for better. What triggered you was literally less than one line in my first post on the subject in 30 days and you're criticizing me at length for that snippet yet simultaneously wondering why I post about a franchise that I have long been interested in. I watch semi-regularly the Orville and watched Friends in the 90's but those aren't great comparisons in my case. I haven't followed either one for over a dozen movies, two dozen TV seasons, dozens of books, multiple games in each category of miniatures/RPG/videogame, many comics, and several large scale models over the course of the last three decades nor do I make custom rules for either on my blog like I do with Trek. I think that type of dedication to the franchise permits me the luxury of commenting on important new information regarding a series that I think has made a remarkable turn for the worse in recent years regardless if the tone is consistently to your disliking. I'll also continue to comment on it (largely negatively in all likelihood) so you may just want to block me instead of getting triggered by relatively innocuous comments from someone who occasionally expresses a dissenting opinion.

Can we keep this to discussing Discovery please.

Heh. Another place I frequent has a big warning in the thread "NO ORVILLE!".

Anyway, yay Season 3!

 ingtaer wrote:
Can we keep this to discussing the Orville please.

I see what you did there XD

 LordofHats wrote:

 ingtaer wrote:
Can we keep this to discussing the Orville please.

I see what you did there XD

Got distracted

 Formosa wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s nice pet.

Have you tried, like, not watching stuff you don’t enjoy, and letting each be unto their own?

You mean like I'm doing this season by not watching after having watched the first and being disappointed? This is a discussion forum and I'm discussing the recent development on the show. If you don't like it, have you tried, like, starting a blog where you can just post monologues all day/every day and approve comments before posting so that you don't risk encountering opinions that don't match your own?

Hahaha Burn..ham.

Anywho, anyone seen this fan theory that says the Red angel might be spock trying to merge the timelines? so STD, Prime and Kelvin timelines? if true that would go a long way to fixing some of the inconsistencies within the series and could mean Picard series could be part of it, what do you all think?

Given the absolute dumpster fire every other amalgamated continuity has wound up being, I'm dreading what that could do to the Trek U at large. However, since there's this teeny issue with the separate production houses I don't see it happening.

I suppose it's just that I'm hoping that after discoveries eventual cancellation we will get a series set after voyager and a continuation of the story that most people I have spoken to and seen wanted, honestly if disco keeps going the way it is I can't see it lasting more than 4 seasons, if the viewer numbers reported are true it's not doing too well, I do wonder about that though, I know it's on Netflix and CBS all access, but I get the feeling it has higher viewer numbers but most of those are piracy, nothing solid to base that on, just a feeling.

You realize that people are going to get a bit annoyed when what you post is essentially "I hope this thing you enjoy gets cancelled so I can have more stuff I like instead"?

I can agree that trying to merge the continuities would be horrible though.

I am still watching Star Trek: Burnham and Tilly but no longer excited......

It still has some good bits but they are being increasingly smothered by the total obsession with two characters who are just poorly written and the best at everything - yawn.

Hopeful for the Empress spin off and would love to see a proper Cap Pike series rather than (Ok I'll just keep the seat warm for Burnham).

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
You realize that people are going to get a bit annoyed when what you post is essentially "I hope this thing you enjoy gets cancelled so I can have more stuff I like instead"?

I can agree that trying to merge the continuities would be horrible though.

fair one that was not my intent.

I should be a bit clearer, I think this series will only last 4 seasons due to cost and low (allegedly) viewer numbers, CBS simply wont pay for a failing series (allegedly), now would I prefer this series got better, of course I bloody would, STNG was crap in the first series, so was DS9, voyager was crap for the first 2 series and Enterprise was just crap until the last series, I would rather STD "got good", that they stopped bringing in writers WHO HAVE NEVER WORKED WITH A SCI FI setting, boggles my mind that one, I would prefer that they got some proper writers in to do dialogue, I would prefer they just fixed the series and brought it up to scratch.

because if it does not fix its glaring problems, it WILL be cancelled and we will have to wait another 10 god damn years for a new star trek series, or god forbid...... JJ movies.


Now the good stuff

Saru, Every single damned time that person is on screen I love him, I want to know more about him and his species, I want to know what the deal with the spike launcher earmuffs is, they better make him captain.

Robot lady/cyborg, WTF is going on with her, what is she, who is she, give me more dammit!

Crazy robut eye lady, again, whats the deal here, how did she get the robut eye, is she human? she looks human with crazy cyborg eye but we dont know.

Pike, urgh i dont want to like him but his charm won me over, he has grown on me.

Dr gay jesus, I was a bid saddened when he died last season, it was so unexpected, I like nice calm collected dr type characters, now he is back from the interdimetional mushroo.... jesus this series is stupid, great i am happy that we got him back, but bloody hell, dead people in mushroom space...

If by "crazy robot eye lady" you mean Detmer the helmswoman, she was one of the crew of Georgiou's ship in the pilot episode and was badly wounded in the initial battle with the klingons. She blamed Burnham at first and was very hostile when she first came on the discovery, but has mellowed as she came around to realise it wasn't really her fault.

Totally with you on Saru. He's great.

Detmer is great but is underused - I also like the fact she is one of the very few Mirror Universe characters still alive......

Agreed on all the rest - it has the pontential to be much much better

Bridge Crew do need to see more use.

So watched episode 4 or 5 yesterday and I was like WTF.



Also, my two cents in the discussion of why criticize the show if you don't like it (I know I really shouldn't but). Well I see it as because the person probably loves star trek and wants it to be good. Its actually the reason I still watch this show hoping they can turn it around and there are points where it looks like it might and than they do something stupid or try to shoe horn something in the plot. And as for all the people who like the show, just because you like something doesn't necessarily make it good. Hell I like Star Wars Episode 1 & 3 but that doesn't magically make them good movies. The main point of a discussion is to give your views of it and try to see other's point of view too and not just blindly praise or criticize something.

Well, the Super Powers of the 60’s and that had not-so-secret-secret-Police.

Now, we apparently don’t. Not that anyone is admitting to.

I can see something broadly similar with Section 31. Easy enough to erase them from history and sink into the Shadows. Particularly when all your records are computerised.

I expect that may be covered at some point during Disco.

new episode is up, lets see how this goes shall we


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Hmmm not too bad this week, we actually got a star trek episode.

... I quite like the actor/character but cannot help but feel that if you are pretending to be dead -- beheaded by the Klingon Empress/similar in fact -- then walking around using your regular name on the the command deck of one of the, if not the, most famous ships in the universe might not be the best way to go about maintaining such a charade.

.. least he's changed out of the klingon clothing/uniform anyway eh ?

enjoyable enough overall -- thought the Spock actor -- thus far -- has been alright.

Spock thing is starting to get on my pip a bit.

Rest of it was good. Building up some interesting stuff to explore later.

As ever, Georgiou has the most memorable moments.

I love it when she gets to go all Crouching Tiger on people.

I mean...isn't it obvious that Star Trek Discovery is a retcon? So was Enterprise. This is one of the general issues with prequels.

Vaulk (sort of former Klingon dude) should at least have a shave and a haircut. Unless his appearance is meant to be him hanging onto a form of identity?

I am getting an internet cookie that Tilly is the Red Angel.

Very interested to see how things play out with Robo-Spod.

We’ve had little info on her so far, so the last episode promises much.

Will it deliver? Who knows? Could lead to fascinating backstory, or she’ll be a mere viral vector. And indeed everything in between.

 Souleater wrote:
Vaulk (sort of former Klingon dude) should at least have a shave and a haircut. Unless his appearance is meant to be him hanging onto a form of identity?

I am getting an internet cookie that Tilly is the Red Angel.

Yeah - not quite as bad as yet more Super Burnham but nearly as much.

Another highly variable episode - Suru taking over was nicely done and showed how he would work as a captain.

Pike and Tyler are good fun together in comparison to the whole Spock (well Burnham) story is just dull and badly done. Whilst the Empress working her way through Section 31 is good and nicely in character, the whole fly away and hide in a shuttle was laughable.

Sarak remains well played but Amanda is all over the place like most of the other faults - thats the writters.

Was that a Borgified probe?

The cyborg/robot woman being taken over - ok - as long as its not a story that is solved in five minutes by "sigh" Burnham and Tilly - as always

I doubt it would be Borg, it's not green enough, plus the Borg are kinda a trump card to bring in and a fan favourite (for the most part), I can't see them bringing in the Borg unless the series is doing really badly, I am hoping they are not building up to the temporal cold war story line either, that ruined enterprise for me :(

Unless it's City on the Edge of Forever or The Voyage Home, time travel in Star trek is awful.

Honourable mentions for the episode of TNG where they get stuck in a loop with Frasier, the tribbles episdoe of DS9 (which is where they should have left the whole thing with Klingon foreheads - in fact, they should have given Mchael Dorn TOS-era Klingon makeup and never referred to it) and First Contact - where the time travel is stupid but the rest of the film makes up for it.

Kinda feeling they're missing an opportunity with Cpt. Leeland. He'd be a much more interesting character if he were actually a nice guy, instead of SURPRISE MIND EXTRACTOR. The dichotomy of having a genuinely decent character in Section 31 would have been nice to explore; surely they're not ALL sociopaths?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Kinda feeling they're missing an opportunity with Cpt. Leeland. He'd be a much more interesting character if he were actually a nice guy, instead of SURPRISE MIND EXTRACTOR. The dichotomy of having a genuinely decent character in Section 31 would have been nice to explore; surely they're not ALL sociopaths?

Agreed - could have been really interesting with Pike and him being old friends - one assumes that they are mostly people who believe what they do has to be done......there was an element to this in conversation between Pike and Leeland about shades of grey.

I wonder if we are going to see Georgio climb further and eventualy end up with it as her own organisation which is when it becoems even mroe shadowy?