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 kodos wrote:
don't think that they change the scale, but people not understanding that 40mm model size is not the same as 40mm scale is a good reason to remove that until model previews are out

we already had that with Warpath when it was said that an Enforcer is 12mm tall, people going bonkers because again another scale, when it is 10mm scale.

and 40mm is Primaris sized (who still claim to be 28mm scale)

If it references a 40mm scale, then a marine in this case could the unit of measure which would put a spartan or elites around 53mm

Dudeface wrote:

 kodos wrote:
don't think that they change the scale, but people not understanding that 40mm model size is not the same as 40mm scale is a good reason to remove that until model previews are out

we already had that with Warpath when it was said that an Enforcer is 12mm tall, people going bonkers because again another scale, when it is 10mm scale.

and 40mm is Primaris sized (who still claim to be 28mm scale)

If it references a 40mm scale, then a marine in this case could the unit of measure which would put a spartan or elites around 53mm

Except apparently it wasn't. It was a Spartan that was 40mm.

they explicit said a Spartan is 40mm tall, I don't know why one should think that this means it is actually 50mm tall

and 40mm tall is very much the same size and scale as a Primaris

 kodos wrote:
they explicit said a Spartan is 40mm tall, I don't know why one should think that this means it is actually 50mm tall

and 40mm tall is very much the same size and scale as a Primaris

I can't remember the exact quote, I don't think it verbatim referenced their height. Iirc it mentioned seeing spartans at 40mm, which is neither a height nor a scale with any clarity.

Edit: Goonhammer, gamesradar, wargamer.com all use language like:

but we do know that it's opting for the unusual 40mm scale.

Which is very disambiguous, or rather, not many people interpreted it as 40mm spartans.

It’s a shame it’s just Spartans, I’d love a little Covenant force. Still this is pretty cool, my non-wargaming brother is a big Halo fan so might be an on ramp for him.

How tall are Spartans in halo? I always thought they were 6'6" to 7'?

~2,2 meter, whatever that is in imperial

Dudeface wrote:

I can't remember the exact quote

it said 40mm tall Spartan

Dudeface wrote:
Edit: Goonhammer, gamesradar, wargamer.com all use language like:

guess thats why they removed it, if even the reliable news sites (and wargamer) are not able to get that right

chaos0xomega wrote:
How tall are Spartans in halo? I always thought they were 6'6" to 7'?

Depending on the type of Spartan the height of a Spartan II (fully armored) is ≈2.4 meters (≈8 feet tall), a Spartan III (Fully armored) is ≈2.1 meters (≈7 feet tall), and a Spartan IV (Fully armored) stands on average a little shorter at ≈2.05 meters (≈6+ feet tall), all while boasting a reinforced endoskeleton.

Well, we've got frequent news sites saying scale, one person saying specifically mini height is stated and no facts for either.



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A bit of digging later:

> Launching directly to retail in September 2024, Halo fans can eagerly look forward to amazing new 40mm Spartan miniatures that bring Halo multiplayer battles to life in an expertly crafted team combat game experience for tabletop newcomers and veterans alike.

It does not explicitly state "scale" nor miniature height/"tall".

That explicitly is height. 40mm miniature. Referring to spartan miniature. So a spartan being 40mm.

Anyway they answered the questions many times since saying it’s ‘normal heroic scale’ and Spartans are a good but taller than regular human height so that’s why they are 40mm.

The edit out of the announcement is to save confusion is all I guess.

Well, according to the bit about height that dude face posted, a 40mm Spartan IV essentially is 40mm scale, whereas if its a 40mm II or III they would be in two entirely different scales.

I'm worried about it being Spartans only and "bringing multiplayer battles to life". Wizkids Haloclix made that mistake, the game was awful. I don't want to replicate a slayer-style matchmaking computer game lobby with respawn-points and weapon upgrade packs on a tiny map.

However, if it's a full co-op where players play different members of a Spartan team against an AI driven enemy like Dungeon Saga Origins, I'm all-in! Spartan Ops in Halo 4 was some of my favorite Halo content besides Reach. I'm REALLY hoping it's Spartan-Ops and not Red vs Blue pvp

Quite interesting to see which direction they take with it.

It's a great IP too, Mantic is almost now the GW of the mid to late 80s of taking popular shows/games and making games for them (except now we have WTD, Worms and Halo rather than Judge Dredd and Doctor Who)

The only good thing about Mantic getting the Halo license is that they didn't try and get the Titanfall license - that would have been really depressing.

I suspect that Mantic has looked at what AMG has done and wants a bite of that. Let's say £30 for two Spartans with optional builds and a bunch of cards would undercut Crisis Protocol, compete to a degree against GW, and have that brand recognition to get it in shops like Game (who interesting, recently started to stock Umbrella Academy...), a significantly less outlay then there offerings in a similar price range. Whether that has legs or not I don't know

Mantic seems to be going through its Warlord Games phase - releasing as many different systems, scales, and products and seeing what sticks regardless of whether it competes against an existing product it sells. I'm also not sure where this fits into their general release schedule without something else feeling abandoned. It sort of feels like Mantic need to keep putting out a whole new 'thing' rather than supporting which can't be a healthy way to run a miniatures business long term.

All that said, my main concern is with the community that sprang up after Spartan Games collapsed that have actively been supporting and making models available for Ground Command for some time... I cant see Mantic letting that carry on...

> Mantic seems to be going through its Warlord Games phase - releasing as many different systems, scales, and products and seeing what sticks regardless of whether it competes against an existing product it sells.

Good point. FFG's also been doing this, with trading card games, and miniature games. Star Wars: X-Wing and Arkham Horror LCG are still around, but Star Wars: Legion, Star Wars: Armada, Star Wars: Destiny, Runewars Miniatures Game, L5R LCG, plus Keystone: LCG, Call of Cthulhu LCG, and Android LCG are gone (or disappearing?). Runewars miniatures was so poorly received that doubts of FFG supporting the game pretty much became a self-fulfilling prophecy, as its potential audience kept waiting for support, but without initial purchases, FFG didn't support it.

I should mention that, towards the end of a CCG glut many years back (who still has their History Channel collectible game?) companies were putting out IP-based card games, rather than non-IP games. Star Wars Shatterpoint, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Game of Thrones, Elder Scrolls, Walking Dead, and now Halo come to mind as IP-tied miniature games, from someone who hasn't even played any of these games...

I would think it insane if they did two models for £30, however many cards and stuff it comes with.

It’s going to be along the same lines price wise of classic Mantic.

I'm happy this is happening, bit of a shame its just spartans to start with but hope in builds into the full armies for both UNSC and Covenant.

 Tamereth wrote:
I'm happy this is happening, bit of a shame its just spartans to start with but hope in builds into the full armies for both UNSC and Covenant.

It would be interesting if it didn't, but likely a potential way to cut ties with the game if it doesn't pick up traction if they only have to sculpt 40mm tall Spartans for both "factions".

If it bombs they are only out the sculpts for what is in the long run the equivalent of a single skirmish scale starter box since everything is shared. Not having to initially invest into multiple factions worth of unique models gives them room to grow if they plan to emulate the multiplayer modes.

Introducing Covenant and Flood minis to be the bad guys in a "Firefight" mode later on, and expanding into a larger ground combat game if it continues to sell is something I could see.

I've got a ton of Halo Action Clix and about 10 copies of the Halo Board game, shich had 28mm miniatures. A new Halo game will finally give me something to use them in.

I am expecting a skirmish/small miniature count game (along the lines of Infinity or Kill Team), rather than a mass combat game.

It reads to me like an arena battler even so more like Underworlds model count.

What's that weird fetish everyone has with wanting all their game systems to have the same scale? No seriously, it's as if you have ever used your 40K stuff with Old World Models or your Age of Sigmar with Historical games.

If you want to play model agnostic games go 3D print some stuff and let companies do any scale they think is best for their game.

Yeah tbh I was excited by a larger scale, especially with a small model count. I like Shatterpoint being a bit bigger too. Easier to paint and for a small model count, add more individual detail to each model, especially for a naff painter like me. Was a bit disappointed that wasn’t the case. Ah well.

Sasorijap wrote:

If you want to play model agnostic games go 3D print some stuff and let companies do any scale they think is best for their game.

People are free to choose whatever scale is best for their collections as much as companies are free to choose theirs.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah tbh I was excited by a larger scale, especially with a small model count. I like Shatterpoint being a bit bigger too. Easier to paint and for a small model count, add more individual detail to each model, especially for a naff painter like me. Was a bit disappointed that wasn’t the case. Ah well.

Pretty sure "normal" humans like Captain America and Captain Marvel are in the 40mm to 42mm range. A 40mm tall Spartan wouldn't feel different.

If the Halo game isn't limited to Spartans and adds humans and aliens, yeah, it'll be a bit different.

A bit of fun with numbers based on the Spartan sizes posted above:

A 40mm Spartan II at 2.4m is 1/60 scale. A normal human at 1.8m is 30mm tall.

A 40mm Spartan III/IV at 2.05m to 2.1m is about 1/52 scale. A normal human at 1,8m is about 34.5mm tall

The former is in the range of what you'd expect from a game sold as 28mm, the latter 32mm. Seems pretty much in line with what you would commonly expect these days. On the bright side, the Spartans will be compatible with a lot of miniature ranges out there.

Sasorijap wrote:
What's that weird fetish everyone has with wanting all their game systems to have the same scale? No seriously, it's as if you have ever used your 40K stuff with Old World Models or your Age of Sigmar with Historical games.

If you want to play model agnostic games go 3D print some stuff and let companies do any scale they think is best for their game.

My 'wierd fetish' with having the same scale across ranges is compatible terrain. Not everything crosses over, but a lot can.

Gonna guess this game won't need external 3d terrain.

If memory serves, Haloclix figures were actually quite tall, very possibly 40mm tall. Last I checked (which was a couple years ago) many good Haloclix minis were still available and fairly cheap.

Sculpt-wise, Haloclix was really a much better line than it appeared to be because the miniatures' quality and level of detail was well-camouflaged beneath bad factory paint jobs. Most people won't be willing to bother stripping the paint off old Haloclix minis, of course, and if Mantic uses Archon again, the new figures should look superb and crisp. Still, repainted Haloclix miniatures may hold up better than people might expect, since many Haloclix figures were produced in a harder translucent plastic than most Heroclix miniatures are. It would be interesting to see a comparison after Mantic's Spartans are published.

Depending on their stylistic direction, Mantic's Spartans could end up looking much chunkier than Haloclix models. Haloclix Spartans were very "true scale."

Impressed by their crisp detail, I stripped the paint off of a few Haloclix minis and have had them prepped for repainting for a couple of years now; the main thing holding me back is that they are larger than most other sci-fi miniatures I own, and I suffer from the awful mental illness of wanting everything to be in the same scale.

I wrote Mantic about the scale, and for what it's worth, this is the reply I got:

"We are still working on the game so the scale is not fully confirmed yet, any comments saying otherwise may be someone jumping the gun on this

Keep an eye out for the next announcement on the game in March "

 pancakeonions wrote:
I wrote Mantic about the scale, and for what it's worth, this is the reply I got:

"We are still working on the game so the scale is not fully confirmed yet, any comments saying otherwise may be someone jumping the gun on this

Keep an eye out for the next announcement on the game in March "

FWIW The terms of licence would have given them a scale to adhere to. So, they know but are saving it for future announcements.

Sasorijap wrote:
What's that weird fetish everyone has with wanting all their game systems to have the same scale?

Trying to pin peoples' desire to use the same terrain and peripherals in one scale for ease and economy on a 'fetish' is a fairly ignorant or just rude.