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With Pietro But Not That Pietro Like A Different Pietro But Not Wanda’s Pietro....
Could we be seeing a ballsy attempt to start making sense of the X-Men timeline?
Spoiler:
Question is how? Is the “Wandavision” Pietro actually her brother? I’ve seen one theory floating around that he’s actually Mephisto. But the one I saw just recently, that I actually kinda of like is that he might be Loki(!)...
The logic being that Loki managing to snag the Time Stone created the timeline fork that The Ancient One warned Hulk about. And we know that Loki is going to be involved with the Time Variance Authority. Which, since Loki is Loki, will undoubtably end up with some kind of mischief happening. Anyway, if he needed Wanda’s power for something, he might blip back to the “main” MCU timeline. Maybe because whatever Wanda’s doing in Eastview poses a threat the TVA has to deal with? Perhaps breaking down the barriers between the timelines? Cuz that never happens in the comics...
But, and here’s the bit that hooks me, if the forked timeline he was in was the one with mutants, the only “Pietro” his might know was the one from the X-Men series, not the mainline MCU one. So he shows up in Eastview, appearing as the Pietro he knows, not as the one from the main MCU timeline.
Anyway, she “recognizes” him as her brother since she’s probably aware, at some level, that X-Men Quicksilver “Is” her brother (albeit from another timeline). Hence her pause, but her seeming acceptance that he’s Pietro. Mephisto or Agatha Harkness could still be the “bad guy” proper in WandaVision since Loki, has more or less been reformed into just a trickster, not villain. That pulls the Disney+ shows together, works with the multiverse of madness potential of the next Dr. Strange movie, and gives a path to bring the X-Men into the MCU.
Anyway, just a fun “what if” exercise. It’ll be fun to see how this all plays out... I’m freaking loving what Disney’s doing here.
Valete,
JohnS
Just to be nitpicky, Loki steals the Space stone in Endgame.
As for Fox's films; it seems like we're firmly in the pre-crisis DC era of "if something doesn't fit, it was in an alternative universe" and I think we're going to see that leaned on pretty hard. It's all connected, it CAN all crossover with the right magics, but fundamentally these things exist in their own bubbles with different versions existing alongside them and only certain events impact the "main" story branch.
AduroT wrote: Interesting note. The X-Men movies, and thus this Pietro, took place in the 80’s, which happened to be the decade they were homaging in that episode.
I though Days of Future past took place in the 70s?
AduroT wrote: Interesting note. The X-Men movies, and thus this Pietro, took place in the 80’s, which happened to be the decade they were homaging in that episode.
I though Days of Future past took place in the 70s?
First Class took place in the 60s. Phoenix was 90s. It was a gimmick that stopped making sense very quickly.
Just to be nitpicky, Loki steals the Space stone in Endgame.
Slightly more picky: Alternate Universe Loki stole the space stone, and as far as we know, he's still in that alternate universe (unlike alternate Gamora, who's stuck in the main universe). I presume his show is going to start with him crossing over into the main universe, or something similar.
As for Fox's films; it seems like we're firmly in the pre-crisis DC era of "if something doesn't fit, it was in an alternative universe" and I think we're going to see that leaned on pretty hard. It's all connected, it CAN all crossover with the right magics, but fundamentally these things exist in their own bubbles with different versions existing alongside them and only certain events impact the "main" story branch.
It has the potential to get very silly very fast. I actually hope this show (and Loki, to be honest) doesn't end up as primarily as a prop to explain things that don't actually need explaining. The problem with this sort of thing is it can undercut the stakes a lot. Bob is dead? New Bob steps in from alternate/timeline/reality/future and it never matters again.
There are literally 1000s of Marvel characters and plotlines. Plenty of room for permanent ends and consequences and a reason to care about the character's circumstances. A revolving door cheapens that.
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Thus far the MCU has done a good job of making consequences stick. Even the snap was undone with some significant cost and the stones themselves never got as trivially powerful as they are in the comics.
I think key to that is the idea that pulling from another universe "costs" that universe, so we're not liking to see permanent refugees so much as just excuses to give people a chance to do stories that can be disconnected from the main MCU after a few projects that establish how it works (namely the loose trilogy of WV, Strange2, and Spidey3).
LunarSol wrote: That's the source of Rick's nihilism after all.
Thus far the MCU has done a good job of making consequences stick. Even the snap was undone with some significant cost and the stones themselves never got as trivially powerful as they are in the comics.
I think key to that is the idea that pulling from another universe "costs" that universe, so we're not liking to see permanent refugees so much as just excuses to give people a chance to do stories that can be disconnected from the main MCU after a few projects that establish how it works (namely the loose trilogy of WV, Strange2, and Spidey3).
Best bit of Infinity War was ultimately removing the Infinity Stones going forward - and Thanos’ reasoning for doing so being pretty sound.
With Wandavision’s ending, I’m thinking we’ll see a conclusion to what’s going on before the end of the series, with at least an episode starting to explore the fallout.
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I expect them to stick the landing. Everything post Ike and the council has been pretty amazing under Feige's supervision. It's not that he can't make mistakes. Just that he hasn't really so far.
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Is that a Dr Strange costume? Could he be infiltrating? Or is it Wiccan’s outfit?
Kick Ass. Lol.
Could Hayward be Hydra?
Pietro seems to know an awful lot.
Is it Wanda doing all this? (Certainly seems so now!)
Is the shape significant in any way?
Arrrfg! I hate Clowns!
Interesting that perhaps Agnes isn’t all we thought, as she seems just as affected as everyone else. We also saw another character directly ask Wanda if she wanted to change anything.
Who is Monica off to meet? We now know they’re male.
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The shape is just a clever play on the word “hex”. Forgot to mention that I really like that from last week.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also that shark advert in the middle was very...dark. I wonder if that’s a subconscious message from the townspeople (particularly the ones on the outskirts).
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I noticed immediately that there were a ton of kids in this episode, which stuck out because Vision was very specific about us not having seen any so far - addressed succinctly by Quicksilver at the end too!
We're no closer to understanding why he looks different though.
Toublingly, there's clearly a limit to how much or how much activity Wanda can or is willing to exert to keep people moving around in the town - I think it's clear now she isn't just nudging people in the right direction, sending them off to their dentist appointment and letting the people trapped within fill in the gaps.
And she just added a whole bunch more people.
Vision isn't able to leave the hex the same way others have so far - is it due to the red aura around it now, or is it because the energy field is what's animating his body? He got ripped to pieces as he left, but that damage is not consistent with the damage he sustained in Endgame, or the state his corpse was in, disassembled at the major joints.
Once again we have one of Wanda's neighbors acting psuedo-aware that she has the ability to change things, again deferential - I don't think it's that they represent some unseen third party and more like these flashes of awareness from them are Wanda's subconscious awareness that she's doing this poking through.
Quicksilver is doing the same thing (for likely the same reasons) but is more unshackled compared to the other townsfolk either because of the origin of his powers or his past relationship with Wanda.
Also his speed effect is the Marvel one, where he's a big neon blur, rather than X-Men's preferred method of pop-music driven goofy montage.
Monica continues her steady march towards her Photon power set. Which means Aaron Stack is... out there... somewhere.
Possibly being bullied by superinteligent machines that watch over the cosmos.
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Well, in the 90s Sitcoms kinda stagnated with not real big shakeups like Malcolm in The Middle did(The dropping of the Audience, the filming outside, the single camera)
So im glad we get this and maybe another 2000s+a 2010s
A little thing to notice, Wanda and Vision being horny reflected how horny the parent in malcolm in the middle where, which at the time was considered a bit of a taboo still
After S1:E6, I’m even more convinced that Pietro is actually Loki, possibly working his TVA role... He clearly isn’t the same Pietro that Wanda grew up with and he kept pushing Wanda for details of how “she did it”. Plus, he had the Loki-esque snark that led Wanda to blast him...
I guess they settled the question of whether or not Monica Rambeau is getting super powers.
I was surprised that Vision could do his “thing” on Agnes. Seemed like she was different, but she’s clearly under the effect of the Hex.
And Herb seemed to have a Agnes-like awareness that he’s “in a show”
Still loving the series and sucks that there are so few episodes left... So much goodness.
Valete,
JohnS
Valete,
JohnS
"You don't believe data - you test data. If I could put my finger on the moment we genuinely <expletive deleted> ourselves, it was the moment we decided that data was something you could use words like believe or disbelieve around"
I noticed that too but I started trying to come up with a 90s family sitcom that didn't start airing in the 80s and transition through the awkward big-hair phase covered in episode 5, the only ones I could come up with were cartoons, involved talking dinosaur puppets, or were all black.
90s sitcoms were really preoccupied with witty single 20-somethings living in unrealistically big apartments.
Family sitcom set in the 90's. Could've even done a riff on the neighbour whose face is covered.
I like Home Improvement, but I don’t know that it would have been a great fit. Even though they had a family on the series, it was very much the Tim Allen show with his family playing a supporting role. I think it would have been a little lacking on the family side of things because of that. And a show about a show about show may have been just a little much!
With the episode also focusing heavily on the kids and their development, having a very kid focused show as the template worked well though.
so guessing they both survive then, which is probably not too much of a surprise.
Premise sounds more like what I think a lot of people wanted Agents of SHIELD to be more like.
..or this is an elaborate bluff and one or both of the characters do die !
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Family sitcom set in the 90's. Could've even done a riff on the neighbour whose face is covered.
I like Home Improvement, but I don’t know that it would have been a great fit. Even though they had a family on the series, it was very much the Tim Allen show with his family playing a supporting role. I think it would have been a little lacking on the family side of things because of that. And a show about a show about show may have been just a little much!
With the episode also focusing heavily on the kids and their development, having a very kid focused show as the template worked well though.
Yeah go rewatch home improvement, and you realize no one has a story that isnt related to Tim.
Jill never had a story all to herself.
I'm surprised no one mentioned Wanda momentarily seeing Not-Pietro as a corpse, with the bullet holes from Age of Ultron, as she saw Visions corpse a few episodes back.
I'm sure it was just a mistake that they didn't show us what Darcy found in Hayward's files that she emailed off before getting absorbed into Westview.
Also Wanda didn't take Pietro's words well at the end of the episode when she blasted him. A bit of a violent outburst there at a family member, wouldn't you say?
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
So, I don't think they have the rights to be able to do this, but I could be wrong with the acquisition of Fox. But could it be...
Spoiler:
The Shadow King? He has a huge history of messing with Mutants. Especially the powerful psychic types. I know that isn't really Wanda in this case, but they could be making some changes...
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