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**Dawnbringer**

warboss wrote:
Five years is my personal minimum time period for an edition of a game (whether board, rpg, or wargame) that wasn't completely messed up at the design stage to begin with. Three is too short especially when it's bloated enough that you have to maintain a breakneck pace to cover your existing factors before you rinse lather and repeat. By seven years, it's starting to get a bit long in the tooth but that last two years gives you some time to revisit the first year or two of factions for tweaks/updates as well as test out optional mechanics in the wild for the next edition ahead of time and weed out the potential stinkers. That 3rd-5th year should be where the game's ecosystem/foundation are solid and folks can just enjoy new scenarios/campaigns/styles if they want or just have their wallet take a breather while they enjoy what you've already set up.

That would be nice, and that it isn't that way is one of the reasons I'm pretty much just a modeler / painter now, I haven't played a game in years. LoTR is the only rules from GW I still enjoy, and unfortunately my models for that are the other side of the Atlantic.

**His Master's Voice**

Shakalooloo wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
The Chaos Lord is okay, I guess.

Which one?

Certainly not the jumppack one.

**Dudeface**

His Master's Voice wrote:
Shakalooloo wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
The Chaos Lord is okay, I guess.

Which one?

Certainly not the jumppack one.

It's ok, there's a mountain of conversions people have sat on a shelf/in the bin given the outrage from when the option went in 9th, so I doubt many people who care need the new one anyway.

**CMLR**

Shadow Walker wrote:
So Spearhead is basically a Combat Patrol for AOS?

They already have those: Vanguards.

The Power Cosmic wrote:
On the bright side, it means 40k 10th will not be around for very long, and we can all rejoice in that.

Hope is the first step to disappointment.

**Shadow Walker**

CMLR wrote:
Shadow Walker wrote:
So Spearhead is basically a Combat Patrol for AOS?

They already have those: Vanguards.

I meant them as a new game mode not just box of minis

**StudentOfEtherium**

CMLR wrote:
Shadow Walker wrote:
So Spearhead is basically a Combat Patrol for AOS?

They already have those: Vanguards.

and GW recently said that vanguard boxes are getting renamed to spearhead. it's the same thing

**Voss**

ImAGeek wrote:
StudentOfEtherium wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Voss wrote:

GSC just have brood brothers now as their own kit. Quite a few look like they can be head swapped back to looking like normal guard squads to add some variety.

Are the brood brothers not just an upgrade sprue for the Cadian kit?

there was an upgrade sprue for cadians, but that was only for the old kit, so it went away with the new one. there's also the generic GSC upgrade sprue, but that's just that: generic, meant to go with a wider range of kits

No, I mean this new one in the Kill Team set. I’m pretty sure it’s just an upgrade sprue for the new Cadian kit but Voss is implying it’s a full kit.

I thought it was. If its just some bits and bobs for a shock trooper sprue then its much less exciting than new bodies with options.
It also seems entirely in keeping with current GW to hard lock the different army ranges and not allow cross-faction models.

**silverstu**

Love the new Votann unit, the ToW dwarfs look great- the plastic Lord on Shield is a nice surprise and they seem to be bringing back a ton of stuff which is great.

Pretty happy all in all..

**ImAGeek**

Voss wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
StudentOfEtherium wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Voss wrote:

GSC just have brood brothers now as their own kit. Quite a few look like they can be head swapped back to looking like normal guard squads to add some variety.

Are the brood brothers not just an upgrade sprue for the Cadian kit?

there was an upgrade sprue for cadians, but that was only for the old kit, so it went away with the new one. there's also the generic GSC upgrade sprue, but that's just that: generic, meant to go with a wider range of kits

No, I mean this new one in the Kill Team set. I’m pretty sure it’s just an upgrade sprue for the new Cadian kit but Voss is implying it’s a full kit.

I thought it was. If its just some bits and bobs for a shock trooper sprue then its much less exciting than new bodies with options.
It also seems entirely in keeping with current GW to hard lock the different army ranges and not allow cross-faction models.

**kodos**

just because the models are identical does not mean it is not a full standalone kit
just using the same digital base to make to models (and save time & money)

**The Power Cosmic**

It's 100% an add-on sprue for the Cadian box. What would make you think otherwise?

**Souleater**

They've done several add-sprues. That's pretty much what I was expecting this to be.

I was just hoping it would be more interesting.

**Dawnbringer**

It also sticks with Killteam (outside of 'launch boxes' for new seasons) habit of one all new kit and one formed with an upgrade sprue.

**TalonZahn**

kodos wrote:
just because the models are identical does not mean it is not a full standalone kit
just using the same digital base to make to models (and save time & money)

Just like how new Chaos Jump Lord is just the current Dante flipped horizontally and retextured?

**Dudeface**

The Power Cosmic wrote:
My biggest takeaway is that GW clearly has no intention of getting away from the 3-year, churn-and-burn release schedule for new editions. Might as well stuff new editions of the side games in there between AoS and 40k while you're at it. It's disappointing, to say the least.

On the bright side, it means 40k 10th will not be around for very long, and we can all rejoice in that.

I won't rejoice, I'm quite enjoying myself at the moment and kinds getting tired of perpetual invalidation of stuff.

**StudentOfEtherium**

Dudeface wrote:
The Power Cosmic wrote:
My biggest takeaway is that GW clearly has no intention of getting away from the 3-year, churn-and-burn release schedule for new editions. Might as well stuff new editions of the side games in there between AoS and 40k while you're at it. It's disappointing, to say the least.

On the bright side, it means 40k 10th will not be around for very long, and we can all rejoice in that.

I won't rejoice, I'm quite enjoying myself at the moment and kinds getting tired of perpetual invalidation of stuff.

fwiw, i don't expect them to totally rewrite the rules between editions again. the 8th edition rules rewrite lasted two editions, so i expect this new ruleset to last at least as long

**The Power Cosmic**

TalonZahn wrote:
kodos wrote:
just because the models are identical does not mean it is not a full standalone kit
just using the same digital base to make to models (and save time & money)

Just like how new Chaos Jump Lord is just the current Dante flipped horizontally and retextured?

You piqued my interest, so I had to check. It's tough to tell because the images aren't 100% from the same angle, but they're really, REALLY close. Do I think they took the Dante file and reskinned it to chaos? No, but I'd bet they have a common ancestor.

Check out those glutes too!

**lord_blackfang**

The opera singing pose is pretty bad in itself, let alone being copy pasted.

**TalonZahn**

I mean, it's not an *exact* copy, but it's too damn close to *not* be a bend here and there in Blender and add spikes, lol

We'll go with the classic GW "inspired by" line.

[Edit] I'm also not saying that it's stupid to reuse assets. I'm just suggesting making it a little less obvious.

**Overread**

GW do use digital sculpting now (and have done for a long while) so you could very well get the same creator using poses, assets and so forth that are known to work repeating their use.

Considering that GW has to produce everything for plastic injection moulding it might even be policy to investigate new designs using poses and positions that have worked before so that the cutting and parting can be more developed already.

Much the same as how if you look back at classic hand sculpted models you'd also spot similarities in many of the poses as they'd again aim to try and use styles that would work for the nature of casting

**CMLR**

There's Space Marine Syndrome and then there's this.

**insaniak**

Overread wrote:
Much the same as how if you look back at classic hand sculpted models you'd also spot similarities in many of the poses as they'd again aim to try and use styles that would work for the nature of casting

A lot of GW's old metal range featured the same base models replicated throughout the range with different details added on. It's by no means something specific to digital sculpting.

**Overread**

insaniak wrote:
Overread wrote:
Much the same as how if you look back at classic hand sculpted models you'd also spot similarities in many of the poses as they'd again aim to try and use styles that would work for the nature of casting

A lot of GW's old metal range featured the same base models replicated throughout the range with different details added on. It's by no means something specific to digital sculpting.

Yep, the first that came to my mind is that standard "standing square and facing you whilst holding the gun across their chest at an angle" pose that was pretty common.

Digital sculpting and some very complex cutting has really opened GW's pose options up a lot, but they still have limits as to how far they can take it so chances are using known patterns and positions is still a very key part. It's just a lot easier to hide now that they can repose and adjust on the fly with digital sculpts.

**Fayric**

From this reveal I like the fantasy dwarfs and slaves to darkness.

Really dissapointed by the sylvaneth. I have a big collection of sylvaneth I just collect for the models, but these guys do nothing for me. They need to do more large bugs, not swirly plastic blob swarms.

The CoS zealots look particulary stupid, but that game system can afford some weird units and thats great for variation of the game atleast.

**kodos**

insaniak wrote:
Overread wrote:
Much the same as how if you look back at classic hand sculpted models you'd also spot similarities in many of the poses as they'd again aim to try and use styles that would work for the nature of casting

A lot of GW's old metal range featured the same base models replicated throughout the range with different details added on. It's by no means something specific to digital sculpting.

which is sad as the advantage of digital should be to make it easier to have more different poses/sculpts and not just saving even more time to make more of the same
also with modelling by hand you never got perfect copies as things were always a little different by default, with digital it is much more obvious of you just replace the armour pattern

**xttz**

kodos wrote:
which is sad as the advantage of digital should be to make it easier to have more different poses/sculpts and not just saving even more time to make more of the same
also with modelling by hand you never got perfect copies as things were always a little different by default, with digital it is much more obvious of you just replace the armour pattern

They've produced literally hundreds of humanoid models per year for decades. At this point the only way to avoid similar poses is to add more limbs.

Spoiler:

**NAVARRO**

If this is about digital vs classic, both are tied to the material they were casted, one more than the other.

As for poses from an artistic point of view... no. If you look at collectors painting miniatures market you will see plenty on untapped poses for humans... theres so much that can be done there. If you look at classic fine art sculpting then the scope is even wider. Theres really room for so much better clever posing.

Both hands in the air is still a thing for GW XD

**Shakalooloo**

NAVARRO wrote:

Both hands in the air is still a thing for GW XD

Used to be so that the weapons were easily identifiable to the opponent across the table (also why the guns were so big).

**Dysartes**

Gimgamgoo wrote:
Are those really the new Votann names?
I guess the leader will be the Yaegir Maester.

I presume the Grenadier chap is chucking Yaegir Bombs around...

**NAVARRO**

Shakalooloo wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:

Both hands in the air is still a thing for GW XD

Used to be so that the weapons were easily identifiable to the opponent across the table (also why the guns were so big).

Well big silly guns means big hands and if you have two you cannot holster something that is bigger than your full body. Bit ridiculous hey.