Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

So yes people, I have just spotted this from 40k Radio guys, who posted this on their FB page :

The big 40k rumor is: This summer GW will release 7th edition 40k , and 9th edition Fantasy has been shelved, for now.

They claim the source is the same whose recent information has been quite reliable :

All right before all of you blow us up step back and take a deep breath. This is from the source that have us pictures of the Space Marines and the Codex a month early. Also gave us pics of the Dark Elves which we described accurately a month early. Also gave us the info on the Sentinels of Terra. He also let us know that Nids were in January NOT December like so many other rumors sites predicted. So yeah he has been very accurate with the info he has given us. They way it was explained to us is that 7th Edition will be made to include the new Escalation and Stronghold rules. I would also not be surprised to see the Dataslates added to the main rule book.

Yes this is a rumor at this stage so take it with a grain of salt. But then again everything out source has said has come true. Only time will tell. Have a Merry Christmas with your families and don't let this put a knot in your undies.

6th edition would be only 2 years old at the time. If this is true, should we only expect a debugged V6.1 ruleset, along with Escalation added-in and Stronghold replacing current fortification section ?



From Bell of Lost souls, Larry Vela (January 27th).
____________________________

Launch Window - @September
Rules Summary : Updated Mini-rulebook contains FAQs, minor tweaks and clarifications, and much of Stronghold Assault rolled into a new shiny package.
Miniatures included: @70

Armies:
Blood Angels (plastic quick assembly)
- Assault Marine Squad
- Tactical Marine Squad
- Death Company Squad
- Captain (kitted out for assault)
- Chaplain
- Sanguinary Priest (limited edition, similar to the Dark Vengeance mini was)

Orks (plastic quick assembly)
- 'Ardboys (full mob)
- Nobs (small squad)
- Warboss
- Big Mek
- Ork themed fortification

This was described as simply an updated Warhammer 40,000 Starter Set and specifically "NOT 7th Edition."
____________________________________________________________________________________


2014 march 31th :

The Dark Vengence starter box may be removed from the stores in following days.
According to a Faeit212 source, this appears to be the case at least in Netherlands :

http://natfka.blogspot.fr/2014/03/confirmed-dark-vengeance-is-going-away.html

So these rumors of a new edition (7th or patched V6.5) appear to be more than a vaporous idea.
There is still no "confirmation" of the new starter box content.

__________________________________________________

From an anymous source on faeit212 :

40k 7th edition and the new starter kit Beachhead Stygia. It is small kit, with only five scouts, five blood angels, a commander with jump pack, five meganobs, 10 armoured ork shootas including a nob with two-handed axe and 10 gretchins. There are some destroyed columns, destroyed gothic stone walls and a three-piece stone bridge carried by gargoyles. It has a 96 page book, but only about the half is used for rules including three scenarios. Expert rules like all vehicle-related stuff are omitted completely. There are a handful of dice, a ruler, but no blast markers.

At the same time, there will be a new starter painting kit with 10 snapfit miniatures that will bring the tactical marines from the starter box to a full squad size and gives the ork player 5 additional boyz. It has a 48 page booklet with additional scenarios and hobby guides, brushes, basing sand and glue.
________________________________________________

Perhaps its for the best.

 Iechine wrote:
Perhaps its for the best.

I disagree, but that's just my opinion. Personally, I don't enjoy many of the changes that I have taken place recently. I still like playing with my armies, but....let's put it this way, I spent all my holiday money on Malifaux.

If this is true, I'm also assuming (which may be wrong) that this new edition will out before all the codices have been updated?

Hmm, interesting. I expect that it will only be minor fixes, and with the new books stuck in, at least in part. If that is the case, I expect a great amount of backlash from those who have already bought the books.

I'll wait to hear more on this, but it does seem a little unlikely, abandoning the game that desperately needs a fix (And that is losing players to Kings of War left and right) in favour of one that is doing pretty well as is. Then again, this is GW.

 Ravajaxe wrote:
So yes guys, I have just spotted this from 40k Radio guys, who posted this on their FB page :

The big 40k rumor is: This summer GW will release 7th edition 40k , and 9th edition Fantasy has been shelved, for now.

They claim the source is the same whose recent information has been quite reliable :

All right before all of you blow us up step back and take a deep breath. This is from the source that have us pictures of the Space Marines and the Codex a month early. Also gave us pics of the Dark Elves which we described accurately a month early. Also gave us the info on the Sentinels of Terra. He also let us know that Nids were in January NOT December like so many other rumors sites predicted. So yeah he has been very accurate with the info he has given us. They way it was explained to us is that 7th Edition will be made to include the new Escalation and Stronghold rules. I would also not be surprised to see the Dataslates added to the main rule book.

Yes this is a rumor at this stage so take it with a grain of salt. But then again everything out source has said has come true. Only time will tell. Have a Merry Christmas with your families and don't let this put a knot in your undies.

6th edition would be only 2 years old at the time. If this is true, should we only expect a debugged V6.1 ruleset, along with Escalation added-in and Stronghold replacing current fortification section ?

If an edition is considered "broken" then a revamp usually has to be rushed out as soon as possible. Of course, that assumes GW actually does listen to its fan base.

The change from Dungeons and Dragons 3.0 to 3.5 was only 3 years. The difference between editions was added depth and combat tweaks.

If GW is thinking of faster release times, this pretty much falls in line with how fast the release schedule of codices has occurred. Once the last few books in 6th are updated, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 7th edition roll around not too long afterwards.

Well, 40K Radio got some more attention again.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Well, 40K Radio got some more attention again.

They garter this attention only because GW is so inept.

To be fair, we keep indulging GW in its lingerie of horrors from Matt Ward all the way to its money gouging tactics.

 WarOne wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Well, 40K Radio got some more attention again.

They garter this attention only because GW is so inept.

To be fair, we keep indulging GW in its lingerie of horrors from Matt Ward all the way to its money gouging tactics.

I think you mean menagerie,


At least I hope you do...

 WarOne wrote:
we keep indulging GW in its lingerie of horrors

This statement conjures up some very confusing mental images...

Heh, makes sense.

Throw that £50 rulebook and £40 codexes into the trash and buy new ones 2 years later.

Any other company would simply release a free FAQ and update pack to balance the rules.

I'm fine with this.

I'm surprised what it means for Fantasy. This is pure speculation of course but seems like GW is really focusing on 40K and leaving Fantasy become a specialist game. Back in the day these games were neck and neck and many a times Fantasy was more popular than 40K.

As far as stronghold and escalation getting integrated in the main rules goes I'm fine with it. It changes very little as those who want to ban official rules and army list extensions can do it whether the rules are printed in one book or several.

Like I said in another thread if the games are officially becoming bigger and everyone uses dozens of flyers and superheavies, I want GW to change the size of the battlefield. It should for example scale with the points values. I find it ridiculous that so large armies with artillery, bombers and superheavy vehicles stare eachother down on supermarket parking lots. They could just sell the tables themselves as they already have the realm of battle product going.

Even if this is true I seriously doubt it's because they want to clean up the edition and bring it back to a sane level like it was in 4th-5th edition.. I honestly do not believe they have any rule designers currently employed at the company any longer.

I sense it would be a money grab to add in even more absurd time wasting rules.

I don't even care about editions that much, can't get any worse than 5th was. I'd buy a new edition every year if it came with a new awesome starter set.

How about just a new starter set and ditch the rules?

This fits with what I've heard too, however it's coming out earlier than I was told (if true).

What I was told is that IF there was a new 7th ed it would be out after all the codex's are out, I was told this was to allow for a flat reboot and put all armies on an equal footing in regards to the core rules, doubt its true but it's what I was told

 WarOne wrote:
They garter this attention only because GW is so inept.

To be fair, we keep indulging GW in its lingerie of horrors from Matt Ward all the way to its money gouging tactics.

You know a Freudian slip? It's saying one thing when you meant to say your mother another.

I doubt this would be 7th edition, so much as a compilation release. GW have such a boner for selling as many digital releases as possible lately I can see them releasing a consolidated rulebook that includes certain expansions.

Plus with the pace of recent and upcoming codexes/supplements or expansions, I doubt they have anyone free to write new rules to the extent of a new edition.

If this is true my money says it's a repackage rather than a new release.

Its just a misunderstanding on 40k radio's part. The new edition of the rulebook is just a compilation of the 6th rules with escalation and stronghold assault meshed together and updated with the FAQ and errata.
Call it an upgrade rather than a brand new completely different edition of the rules.

cyberjonesy wrote:
Its just a misunderstanding on 40k radio's part. The new edition of the rulebook is just a compilation of the 6th rules with escalation and stronghold assault meshed together and updated with the FAQ and errata.
Call it an upgrade rather than a brand new completely different edition of the rules.

How will they handle the price of this new book, I wonder? Combine the cost of the supplements and the BrB, or will the BrB be the same price?

I'd much rather have a new edition** that a compilation/cleanup of the current edition. It would take more than a simple editorial pass to make the current rules more than the pile of gal they are.




** Assuming they are written from the ground up, streamlined, play tested and proofread. Wishful thinking, I know.

In my opinion 6th is pretty spot on to be honest, the only things I could really ask for in 7th would be:

A more fluff-true and indepth allies chart (tau-marines are battle brothers but tau-guard arent, why? and allowing for genestealer cults and traitor guard)
More allies options, ie battle brothers can ride in transports, if some armies ally then certain bonuses or limitations apply, ie traitor guard may select marks or icons, but are limited in tank availability, genestealer cults may only select foot soliders and 0-1 vehicle with armour over 33 all facings, etc
Roll in updated rules for planetstrike and cities of death, including scenarios and strategems
Roll in rules for killteam and combat patrol
Include stronghold assault and escalation but nerf D-weapons somewhat and remove AV15
Give buildings hull points
Xenos fortifications, webway gates, ork watchtowers/forts, chaos shrines, tau turrets, necron obelisks etc
less random psychic powers and a bit more balance to the disciplines, ie improve telekinesis and iron out divination
a rerollable invun can never be better than a 4+

Thats all I can think of really

heres a thought though, what if they changed an allies relationship that suddenly makes your collection illegal to field? ....oh gw...

Maybe instead of FAQs (which they haven't released for the last half year or so) they will release edition 6.1, fully updated?

As it happens I heard a rumour from a chap at GW HQ not long back, he said that the 6th Ed will be bundled with all the updated codex in one bumper pack, after they are all updated later this year.
Maybe thats what this release is hinting at ?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
The Mrs informs me that he did in fact say "all the other books" not all the other codex's, seems ive been told !

Like some others, I too think that this will be just a 6th Edition + book. Most probably it will be the 6th >Rulebook + Stronghold Assault and Escalation + An updated wording on the Rules incooperating the Erratas + some Glitch fixes. So it that is true why should I bother to buy Stonghold Assault and Esclation? Coming to think why should I bother to buy anything at all? Well nevermind.

would be happy if true...they souped up shooting too much and made assault inferior...

they need to fix a few things,

I like random charges
I do not like no charge from reserves
I do not like no charge out of a vehicle that has not moved
If shooting is going to remain king then its time to bring back consolidation into other units...you want your tau in range to help with overwatch then Im gonna run into the next unit (as if people used fire warriors and not just riptide spam...)

Some would say that Assault's leadership drop is an issue...it probably is, time to bring in BSBs and use a warlord's leadership in range to help make troops stick around...if thats too much like fantasy then go back to 4th edition rules...
smash attacks need to be toned down to 1 smash attack, no one is out there smashing twice but hulk...
Bring back Modifiers to everything...terminator armor used to be 3+ on 2d6 but different weapons had modifiers...
Bring back Movement values
Okay you toned down vehicles, now fix shooting them even more, its harder to shoot a moving vehicle, its even harder to shoot one going super fast, use modifiers to fix this...A DE raider should be much harder to hit when its moving flat out than a land raider...

The removal of cover saves (which I've never been a fan of, even when they first came in) in favour of a return to To Hit modifiers would be awesome, and add a whole load of depth back in to the game IMO.

new edition = new starter set. So i`m fine with this.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Heh, makes sense.

Throw that £50 rulebook and £40 codexes into the trash and buy new ones 2 years later.

Any other company would simply release a free FAQ and update pack to balance the rules.

False

My money is on 6.1 I would say we will get updated 6th ed with all the errata and faq built into the book, stronghold, escalation, and death from the skies.