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2014/08/11 03:14:17
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall (January releases updated OP 01/06/15)
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Freaky Flayed One
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January releases updated 1/6/15
Dindrenzi Heavy Armour Helix
Terran Heavy Armour Helix
Aquan Heavy Armour Helix
Sorylian Heavy Armour Helix
Directorate Heavy Armour Helix
Relthoza Heavy Armour Helix
more info can be found Here
Spoiler for the older pictures
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2014/08/11 03:20:09
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Models look absolutely gorgeous. Seriously competitng with Dropzone for the large scale game my brother and I are looking to start up.
Dropzone is bigger scale with better emphasis on manoeuvrability via dropships. This has giant fething robots.
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2014/08/11 03:28:53
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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What are they playing with the 28mm Models?
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2014/08/11 03:35:00
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Freaky Flayed One
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Spec ops game in the works. I don't know the time frame on that game.
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2014/08/11 04:21:25
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Very interesting looking models. Not sold on the square bases, though... what do people tend to use for Epic? The only Dropzone Commander models that I see based are infantry, or sometimes circular or rounded rectangular bases on vehicles.
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2014/08/11 04:34:30
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Interesting designs. I like what I see. I'm sure I could find some uses for those giant robots, too.
I'd also be curious to see some more of that "28mm" game. I'm curious if that's actually 28mm, or Dystopian Legions 28mm.
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2014/08/11 04:43:42
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Just the fact that they already have a 28mm infantry game in the works for this pretty much confirms that they'll ditch this game like every other game they've made.
Spartan Needs to learn to actually take time to make a good game first and keep it supported instead of this constant mill of new games.
That said, their models do look good, and they're still around so this mill of games strategy seems to be working, but in terms of customer service, I won't be touching any more of their stuff. I've got dropzone to cover this scale of gaming.
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2014/08/11 05:08:24
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Spartan Games, making and designing games one day, dropping them the next. I would seriously look into some of their games if they didn't have that rep.
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2014/08/11 05:27:21
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Serious Squig Herder
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Vertrucio wrote:Just the fact that they already have a 28mm infantry game in the works for this pretty much confirms that they'll ditch this game like every other game they've made.
Spartan Needs to learn to actually take time to make a good game first and keep it supported instead of this constant mill of new games.
That said, their models do look good, and they're still around so this mill of games strategy seems to be working, but in terms of customer service, I won't be touching any more of their stuff. I've got dropzone to cover this scale of gaming.
I'm not really up on their reputation vis-à-vis the quote here. But it does seem like they are getting stretched pretty thin for a rather redundant game.
I mean they already have Dystopian Wars - a 15mm battle game over Land, Sea and Air. Now they are expanding Firestorm Armada ( a 15mm space game) to a land-based game too. Plus they have Dystopian Legions(?) a 28mm spinoff game, and they're going to launch a 28mm spinoff from Firestorm too now? Plus they still have fantasy boat game too, which iirc is kinda of life-support.
What other games have they dropped support for?
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2014/08/11 05:29:50
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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My mouth is literally watering right now.
I have to resist the urge to buy all of this, because I know that no-one I know will play this. But I want to so bad...
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2014/08/11 05:38:02
Subject: Re:Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Elite Tyranid Warrior
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I want that mech.
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2014/08/11 05:38:28
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Brutal Black Orc
The Empire State
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Schmapdi wrote: Vertrucio wrote:Just the fact that they already have a 28mm infantry game in the works for this pretty much confirms that they'll ditch this game like every other game they've made.
Spartan Needs to learn to actually take time to make a good game first and keep it supported instead of this constant mill of new games.
That said, their models do look good, and they're still around so this mill of games strategy seems to be working, but in terms of customer service, I won't be touching any more of their stuff. I've got dropzone to cover this scale of gaming.
I'm not really up on their reputation vis-à-vis the quote here. But it does seem like they are getting stretched pretty thin for a rather redundant game.
I mean they already have Dystopian Wars - a 15mm battle game over Land, Sea and Air. Now they are expanding Firestorm Armada ( a 15mm space game) to a land-based game too. Plus they have Dystopian Legions(?) a 28mm spinoff game, and they're going to launch a 28mm spinoff from Firestorm too now? Plus they still have fantasy boat game too, which iirc is kinda of life-support.
What other games have they dropped support for?
about 2 or 3 years ago they said they will release a 10mm, 15mm and 28mm games for Firestorm. I could see them doing a 10 or 15mm for large scale games and a 28mm for skirmish games like Infinity or malifaux. But all 3? i that really needed?
Spartan has a history of making a new game every other year and put previous games on the back burner (like uncharted seas, firestorm armada went over a year before it recived anything new at one point). They also have a history of releasing a new rule book ASAP after the initial rules release for a new game. There was a joke on TMP, you pay to play test with Spartan games.
I love Spartan product but they don't show any long term dedication to their products.
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2014/08/11 05:39:23
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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STOP MAKING SUCH AWESOME STUFF.
God damn, I'm super excited about this.
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2014/08/11 05:52:07
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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God dang, those are some seriously cool models. The infantry look great and the mechs are awesome. The only thing I can think when I see the big mechs is "THOR IS HERE"
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2014/08/11 06:01:34
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Piston Honda wrote:Schmapdi wrote: Vertrucio wrote:Just the fact that they already have a 28mm infantry game in the works for this pretty much confirms that they'll ditch this game like every other game they've made.
Spartan Needs to learn to actually take time to make a good game first and keep it supported instead of this constant mill of new games.
That said, their models do look good, and they're still around so this mill of games strategy seems to be working, but in terms of customer service, I won't be touching any more of their stuff. I've got dropzone to cover this scale of gaming.
I'm not really up on their reputation vis-à-vis the quote here. But it does seem like they are getting stretched pretty thin for a rather redundant game.
I mean they already have Dystopian Wars - a 15mm battle game over Land, Sea and Air. Now they are expanding Firestorm Armada ( a 15mm space game) to a land-based game too. Plus they have Dystopian Legions(?) a 28mm spinoff game, and they're going to launch a 28mm spinoff from Firestorm too now? Plus they still have fantasy boat game too, which iirc is kinda of life-support.
What other games have they dropped support for?
about 2 or 3 years ago they said they will release a 10mm, 15mm and 28mm games for Firestorm. I could see them doing a 10 or 15mm for large scale games and a 28mm for skirmish games like Infinity or malifaux. But all 3? i that really needed?
Spartan has a history of making a new game every other year and put previous games on the back burner (like uncharted seas, firestorm armada went over a year before it recived anything new at one point). They also have a history of releasing a new rule book ASAP after the initial rules release for a new game. There was a joke on TMP, you pay to play test with Spartan games.
I love Spartan product but they don't show any long term dedication to their products.
Not just on the backburner, but they also usually release their newest games in a pretty sad state of rules, then taking years to fix it properly (as mentioned, they halfheartedly throw out another .1 rulebook soon after a release).
To be honest, if they wanted to just keep making a bunch of miniatures and sell them, they should just put all their rules online for free as a living rulebook. Don't force their customers to wait, and let the community more actively fine tune the game, supporting whatever lone designer works with them.
Another aspect is whether they're using that same tired system of exploding D6s in every game.
It's obvious this business strategy is working for them though, but it's still almost as crappy to customers as the way GW operates. My friends and I won't touch a Spartan Game again. And, like I'm doing now, I have to warn people to look past the pretty models if they happen to be looking for a game, but are otherwise okay if they're looking for new models.
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2014/08/11 06:06:15
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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Really loving the infantry (what are they, 15mm scale?), those giant mechs and the Directorate gunship.
Not so sure on those tanks yet, and the terrain sadly looks like that standard CNC stuff, which is a bit dull. :(
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2014/08/11 06:18:00
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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How bad and unfinished are Spartan Games's rules? I haven't played any of them so I don't know.
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2014/08/11 06:18:08
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Yet another range of beautiful Spartan Games models that I look forward to being priced out of.
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2014/08/11 08:15:39
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Kilkrazy wrote:How bad and unfinished are Spartan Games's rules? I haven't played any of them so I don't know.
At this point? They actually aren't. I was about ready to give them up after the last Dystopian Wars reprint, but Firestorm 2.0 was a damn solid game by any definition of the word. The 2nd Edition of Dystopian Wars is actually quite good too (only major complaint was the use of bold text in the main rules being somewhat overboard). I think DWars is probably clunkier than FSA2.0, but both are actually solid offerings that were part of a big initiative by the designers to stop putting out half-arsed work. They had a fairly big community-backed private playtest for both of them and it managed to save both games in our group's rotation.
Though I will admit they may be stretching a bit thin, but at least Planetfall could potentially have some overlap in the same way the three theatres of Dystopian Wars do. The 28mm offering does seem to go a bit far (especially since it feels like Dystopian Legions hasn't had a release in a while) but sticking to mass-army and fleet-scale combat seems to work out fairly well for them. So long as they keep making sure to keep up the quality shown in Firestorm and Dystopian Wars 2.0, then they keep me as a customer. But I do admit that if I weren't one of the folks that played several of their lines, then the waxing and waning of release schedules would certainly put me off. But their work on the last two releases has turned things around enough for me to give them the benefit of the doubt again. Probably wont be on this in the initial wave of excitement, but I will be looking forward to something filling the Epic-sized hole in my heart.
Either way, those minis look gorgeous (man, those infantry make me want to play the dirty Terrans... I'll have to wait and see what Din infantry looks like).
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2014/08/11 08:49:35
Subject: Re:Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Calculating Commissar
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It's modular resin, with pre-made magnet holes for interchangeable arms.
I was at that demo and whilst I didn't play it I spent about 15 minutes talking about it. Starter army boxes will be about £60-65, and all the boxes come with some scenery (usually resin/card buildings which is quite a cool system). All the rules and stats will be online for free.
The mechanics seem to be fairly similar to dystopian wars (in that I recognised some of it from a demo game of the last edition).
The list building mechanic is pretty cool as well, using the equivalent of a colour wheel, so you have to choose between complimenting unit types (i.e. to take another heavy unit you need to forfeit your artillery support).
I can see this being my new sci-fi game.
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2014/08/11 08:49:46
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:Yet another range of beautiful Spartan Games models that I look forward to being priced out of.
Odd to say as Spartan Games prices are some of the best on the market. Least in my view for what you get gamewise and model wise they charge a very good rate on their models. This is UK view, overseas it might be different; but UK side I'd honestly say that they are some of the best priced.
Spartan makes some awesome models - those mechs are outstanding. Though as said whilst they can design and make and sell great models they seem to have trouble supporting multiple game lines. I think they might be over the hump that was partly caused by Dystopian Wars going crazy popular very suddenly (that sapped resources from everything barring Dystopian wars - killing Uncharted Seas and nearly killing Firestorm).
I think Spartan has reached out more toward its core community - Firestorm 2.0 rules were significantly player-base tested with a beta team and Firestorm has been done the same treatment. So in theory the rules we get for Planetfall should be nearer to 2.0 than 1.0 (ergo they should be stronger and more solid due to increased testing player base size). I really hope it does well - a sci-fi wargame like this shouldn't impact Dystopian wars and should compliment it in helping to increase the size and validity of wargames on this scale which has been a pretty fringe market since Epic 40K died off.
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2014/08/11 13:40:39
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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I think the models look great. I don't think I'll ever play the game but I will most likely be buying those mechs
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2014/08/11 13:53:34
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Sickening Carrion
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FIIIINNNALLLYYYY, I feel like I've been waiting for this game forever lol
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Fantasy: Tomb Kings, Dark Elves, Wood Elves, Lizardmen, Daemons
40k: Daemon Hunters (GK,MT allied), Tallarn Armored Battle Group, Night Lords.
Firestorm Armada/Firestorm Planetfall: Dindrenzi
"I will lay down my bones among the rocks and roots of the deepest hollow, next to the streambed.
The quiet hum of the earth's dreaming is my new song."
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2014/08/11 14:57:41
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Times like this I wish Mantic and Warlord would combine and Spartan and Hawk Wargames would combine.
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2014/08/11 15:04:29
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Wraith
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Oh, well this tickles some fancies. Going to wait and see what Hawk does, but I'm liking both of their offerings. So many wargames!
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
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2014/08/11 15:10:12
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Looking forward to grabbing up a bunch of the Dindrenzi stuff.
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2014/08/11 15:31:54
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kilkrazy wrote:How bad and unfinished are Spartan Games's rules? I haven't played any of them so I don't know.
Since FSA 2.0, not at all, but only FSA and DW (their two 'main' games) have been fully updated. Both are complete, and they got a proper playtest team on them and rebalanced all the factions to a state that is far better than before.
If they treat this the same way, and work on Dystopian Legions then they may have turned around from their old model (which I think is to do with them getting excited about a new idea too easily, rather than refining the existing product).
I think this is currently in its beta playtest.
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2014/08/11 17:03:32
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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privateer4hire wrote:Times like this I wish Mantic and Warlord would combine and Spartan and Hawk Wargames would combine.
If I recall right I think the Hawk guy used to work for/with Spartan and then went off on his own direction.
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2014/08/11 17:46:10
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Overread wrote:privateer4hire wrote:Times like this I wish Mantic and Warlord would combine and Spartan and Hawk Wargames would combine.
If I recall right I think the Hawk guy used to work for/with Spartan and then went off on his own direction.
Yep.
http://www.thatsyogarbage.com/wargame-interview-david-j-lewis-director-of-hawk-wargames/
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2014/08/11 18:29:26
Subject: Spartan Games: Firestorm Planetfall
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Abhorrent Grotesque Aberration
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Kilkrazy wrote:How bad and unfinished are Spartan Games's rules? I haven't played any of them so I don't know. I picked up FSA 2.0 (the Battle for Valhalla box set and 4 starter fleets to get the basics for all 6 races) when it was released late last year. My original intent was to expand our 40k campaigns to include actual fleet battles and the BFG rules were a complete nightmare to work with. The FSA rules, by comparison, are easy to read and make complete sense. In the past 8 months we had a grand total of 2 rules questions, both of which boiled down to just skimming the relevant section instead of actually reading it. Also, in that time, FSA has released two more books for purchase while also releasing them as free downloadable PDFs. They are similar to codexes in that they feature the various races, a bit of back story and all of the ship details. I'd prefer more story, but it's really hard to compete with the depth of 40k. The rules were beta tested by actual customers and it shows. Thus far it appears that all of the races are actually pretty well balanced while each race has it's own flavor. Price wise, FSA is FAR cheaper than getting into 40k ... by an order of magnitude. Time wise, a 1200 point FSA game will take around the same amount of time as a 1500 point 40k game - 1:30 to 2:00. For people new to both games, FSA takes FAR less time as the rules are clear, to the point and don't require you to constantly flip from one section to another to figure out how simple things like MOVEMENT works. That said, I'm not interested in a ground based game in the 10mm or 15mm range. I played Battletech a long time ago and didn't get any satisfaction from painting the small infantry/tank models. 28mm is just about right imho.
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