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2015/11/20 19:00:02
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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Hi
What do you lot think is the most over-powered unit in non forgeworld, non apocalypse Warhammer_40000?
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At War With Fate? Maybe I am and maybe I'm not... |
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2015/11/20 19:07:10
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Dakka Veteran
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WraithKnight, if non-gargantuan then toss up between grav cent or scatter bikes.
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2015/11/20 19:08:46
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Confessor Of Sins
WA, USA
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Wraithknight, there was actually a survey on this somewhere.
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Ouze wrote:
Afterward, Curran killed a guy in the parking lot with a trident.
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2015/11/20 19:09:53
Subject: Re:Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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I say Kairos Fateweaver when near the Grimoire Of True Names and rolling Iron Arm on Biomancy.
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At War With Fate? Maybe I am and maybe I'm not... |
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2015/11/20 19:10:49
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Confessor Of Sins
WA, USA
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Ouze wrote:
Afterward, Curran killed a guy in the parking lot with a trident.
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2015/11/20 19:31:02
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Why bother with the non-FW/Apocalypse category? The Wraithknight wins regardless.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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2015/11/21 12:47:45
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:Why bother with the non- FW/Apocalypse category? The Wraithknight wins regardless.
No, because I said Fateweaver near GoTN with Iron Arm.
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At War With Fate? Maybe I am and maybe I'm not... |
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2015/11/22 06:32:36
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Fateweaver loses. One 6 on the D or stomp and he is gone.
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I should think of a new signature... In the meantime, have a |
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2015/11/22 06:36:15
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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Just about anything with the word "Wraith" in it in general.
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts. |
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2015/11/22 10:11:47
Subject: Re:Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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Fateweaver's flying.
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At War With Fate? Maybe I am and maybe I'm not... |
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2015/11/22 10:16:29
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Why ask a question if you aren't going to listen to what people say? And does flying help protect Fateweaver from D weapons?
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2015/11/22 10:19:17
Subject: Re:Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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Firstly, sorry I didn't mean that be argumentative I just wanted an explanation. Next, because he's flying you've got to Snap Fire, meaning you need a double six to entirely annihilate him straight off.
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At War With Fate? Maybe I am and maybe I'm not... |
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2015/11/22 10:28:42
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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All you need is one failed grounding test and he's toast.
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AI & BFG: / BMG: Mr. Freeze, Deathstroke / Battletech: SR, OWA / HGB: Caprice / Malifaux: Arcanists, Guild, Outcasts / MCP: Mutants / SAGA: Ordensstaat / SW Legion & X-Wing: CIS / WWX: Union
Unit1126PLL wrote:"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"
Shadenuat wrote:Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army. |
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2015/11/22 10:30:26
Subject: Re:Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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Re-rollable grounding test.
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At War With Fate? Maybe I am and maybe I'm not... |
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2015/11/22 12:07:38
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Hallowed Canoness
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ImAGeek wrote:Why ask a question if you aren't going to listen to what people say? And does flying help protect Fateweaver from D weapons?
Name one non-template D-weapon that's not on a Tiger Shark A-X-10, which is disqualified from this competition by virtue of being Forge World.
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad. |
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2015/11/22 12:16:01
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Furyou Miko wrote: ImAGeek wrote:Why ask a question if you aren't going to listen to what people say? And does flying help protect Fateweaver from D weapons?
Name one non-template D-weapon that's not on a Tiger Shark A-X-10, which is disqualified from this competition by virtue of being Forge World.
Any melee Str. D. For that matter, Wraithguard.
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For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
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2015/11/22 12:34:21
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Hallowed Canoness
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... And melee weapons help against a flier... how exactly?
I had forgotten Wraithcannons though, you're right. So used to only hearing about D-scythes, heh.
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad. |
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2015/11/22 12:41:30
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Furyou Miko wrote: ImAGeek wrote:Why ask a question if you aren't going to listen to what people say? And does flying help protect Fateweaver from D weapons?
Name one non-template D-weapon that's not on a Tiger Shark A-X-10, which is disqualified from this competition by virtue of being Forge World.
I was genuinely asking, I'm not overly familiar with the rules for flyers.
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2015/11/22 14:03:06
Subject: Re:Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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And how you manage to do that, prey tell?
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AI & BFG: / BMG: Mr. Freeze, Deathstroke / Battletech: SR, OWA / HGB: Caprice / Malifaux: Arcanists, Guild, Outcasts / MCP: Mutants / SAGA: Ordensstaat / SW Legion & X-Wing: CIS / WWX: Union
Unit1126PLL wrote:"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"
Shadenuat wrote:Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army. |
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2015/11/22 14:31:15
Subject: Re:Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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Fateweavers allowed to re roll one D6 per player turn
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2015/11/22 15:37:17
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
Little Rock, Arkansas
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Wraithknight.
Your fate weaver scenario requires a second unit to buff him, random psychic powers to go your way, and he can't hold objectives unless he lands. If you allowed a second unit and random powers to count for something, then a council throwing invis and guide on the wraithknight is just as fair.
Take away the assist units and you have may-be-good fatey and WILL-be-good wraithknight.
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20000+ points
Tournament reports:
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2015/11/22 18:15:02
Subject: Re:Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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There are more important things to re-roll, no? Warp Storm Table, a key psychic power, an enemy's save, a charge...
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AI & BFG: / BMG: Mr. Freeze, Deathstroke / Battletech: SR, OWA / HGB: Caprice / Malifaux: Arcanists, Guild, Outcasts / MCP: Mutants / SAGA: Ordensstaat / SW Legion & X-Wing: CIS / WWX: Union
Unit1126PLL wrote:"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"
Shadenuat wrote:Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army. |
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2015/11/22 18:37:22
Subject: Re:Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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Vector Strike wrote:
There are more important things to re-roll, no? Warp Storm Table, a key psychic power, an enemy's save, a charge...
PER PLAYER TURN! Your enemy will be attempting to kill you on HIS turn. The things you listed happen on YOUR turn. There is nothing more important than ensuring future re-rolls.
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It's called a thick skin. The Jersey born have it innately. |
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2015/11/22 18:44:49
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The Grimmoire is going to be from another unit, and Iron Arm hardly helps Fateweaver.
For the points spent, Wraithknights are much better.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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2015/11/22 18:46:24
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Plus if he's flying, keeping him in range of the grimoire bearer might not be easy.
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2015/11/22 18:58:01
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Worthiest of Warlock Engineers
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The Wraithknight. Nothing should be that fast, that manoeuvrable, that tough to kill and that powerful in both shooting and melee phases and cost as little as it does.
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Free from GW's tyranny and the hobby is looking better for it
DR:90-S++G+++M++B++I+Pww205++D++A+++/sWD146R++T(T)D+
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2015/11/22 18:58:12
Subject: Re:Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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Have the Grimoire bearer flying.
T8 as a pose to T5 does make a huge difference.
Fateweaver can re-roll Warpstorm anyway due to his automatic Warlord Trait, Lord of Unreality.
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At War With Fate? Maybe I am and maybe I'm not... |
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2015/11/22 19:00:18
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Confessor Of Sins
WA, USA
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Okay, so what are you going to do with him?
If he's flying, he's just throwing psychic powers. If he's grounded, he is really not THAT nasty in melee, even with Iron Arm.
He's hard to kill, but so what? What damage is he going to do?
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Ouze wrote:
Afterward, Curran killed a guy in the parking lot with a trident.
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2015/11/22 19:00:41
Subject: Re:Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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Anyway, it seems we only have 2 units in the running. Just wondering how man points a Wraithknight is, I know that for some incomprehensible reason it's cheaper than Fateweaver.
Automatically Appended Next Post: What damage!?
Last time I checked 2 S8 AP1/2 beams +some extra was quite a lot per turn Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and that's not to mention the free units he can easily summon!
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At War With Fate? Maybe I am and maybe I'm not... |
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2015/11/22 19:17:32
Subject: Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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He can't just "easily" summon them. He requires even more Warp Charges, which adds onto his cost when you need to buy more units to contribute.
Wraithknight wins. The Wraithknight is the most disgusting thing to happen in game balance ever.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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