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 Fayric wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Have GW confirmed who made the suits? They looks neither Votann, nor Tau in appearance.

Is it even clear how Tau got their quick technological progress? It could be Tau-ish tech, but developed by a minor species in their empire, or have an even older origin.

I recall there's a good few hints around the lore and guesswork that Eldar have some hand in it somewhere. That doesn't mean they have a big hand and it could just be one sect/group not the whole race doing it.

It could also be one of those "Imperial scientist guesses that's what happened" approach and thus is possibly entirely wrong based in the character being poorly informed in-setting.




Tau advance is very very swift and considering how slow the Imperium operates, we have to assume that the Tau are abnormal in how quickly they advanced, otherwise the Imperium would have a lot more viable advanced Xenos species running around.

If the spyrer suits are Tau technology, if feels strange they focus on close combat and agility. Perhaps they could be some prototype superhero suits the physically awkward Tau nerds liked to imagine themself in.

 Overread wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Have GW confirmed who made the suits? They looks neither Votann, nor Tau in appearance.

Is it even clear how Tau got their quick technological progress? It could be Tau-ish tech, but developed by a minor species in their empire, or have an even older origin.

I recall there's a good few hints around the lore and guesswork that Eldar have some hand in it somewhere. That doesn't mean they have a big hand and it could just be one sect/group not the whole race doing it.

It could also be one of those "Imperial scientist guesses that's what happened" approach and thus is possibly entirely wrong based in the character being poorly informed in-setting.




Tau advance is very very swift and considering how slow the Imperium operates, we have to assume that the Tau are abnormal in how quickly they advanced, otherwise the Imperium would have a lot more viable advanced Xenos species running around.

The Imperium notes Tau development is uncommonly rapid and speculates about outside interference. The Tau origin story about Ethereals (presumably from their own legends) talks about seeing lights in the sky and mysterious glimpses of half-seen figures prior to the sudden arrival of the Ethereals. Xenology (from the perspective of an Inquisitor being fed information by a Necron scouting force) points out the similarity between Ethereal forehead glands and the scent glands of Q'orl queens, speculating that the Ethereals use pheromones to control their subjects (Tau have an exceptional sense of smell). The captured Ethereal has feet not hooves though, which is weird. The Q'orl hate Eldar for stealing a Queen, and Xenology also has a recovered fragment from the Eldar talking of Tau as a bulwark against Chaos due to their lack of overt warp souls.

So nothing is confirmed, but the most likely course of events is that an Eldar faction engineered Ethereals based on Q'orl glands to control and unify the Tau as an anti-Chaos weapon.

 Mr_Rose wrote:


Edit: oh, forgot another fun correlating fact from the canon; retired Custodes (eight foot tall slabs of muscle) can take off their armour and blend into Imperial society to the point they can run spy rings without being instantly identified as Custodes.

I hate that bit of fluff with so much hate.

At the very least there should be a bit about them needed to take polymopheme or spend some time in vats beings resculpted.

There was another one, The Last Church, where the Emperor passes for human through a psychic illusion but the priest can hear the floor groan with each step he takes.

I always figured the 8' version was the illusion...

Thing is when you consider how many regular citizens in certain environments can be gene boosted - a big person just doesn't mean "Marine". Look at the goliaths in Necromunda.

Granted that's not going to be universal and some Imperial societies might be might shorter on average; but with abhumans, gene modifications, bionics and more going on chances are a tall person can blend in pretty easily into Imperial society.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:


Edit: oh, forgot another fun correlating fact from the canon; retired Custodes (eight foot tall slabs of muscle) can take off their armour and blend into Imperial society to the point they can run spy rings without being instantly identified as Custodes.

I hate that bit of fluff with so much hate.

At the very least there should be a bit about them needed to take polymopheme or spend some time in vats beings resculpted.

There was another one, The Last Church, where the Emperor passes for human through a psychic illusion but the priest can hear the floor groan with each step he takes.

I always figured the 8' version was the illusion...

On The Emperor? If he can fool your eyes, he can fool your ears.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:


Edit: oh, forgot another fun correlating fact from the canon; retired Custodes (eight foot tall slabs of muscle) can take off their armour and blend into Imperial society to the point they can run spy rings without being instantly identified as Custodes.

I hate that bit of fluff with so much hate.

At the very least there should be a bit about them needed to take polymopheme or spend some time in vats beings resculpted.

There was another one, The Last Church, where the Emperor passes for human through a psychic illusion but the priest can hear the floor groan with each step he takes.

I always figured the 8' version was the illusion...

On The Emperor? If he can fool your eyes, he can fool your ears.

Yeah, I figure that was psychosomatic noise from the priest being slightly warp-sensitive. Kinda like that blind woman who could suddenly “see” in the presence of primarchs because their warplight.

As for the Custodes infiltrators; pretty much what Overrread said: with the right environment the locals could easily mistake them for some other kind of augment and even if speaking High Gothic with a Terran accent should be anomalous I’m sure they can learn the local dialect in a few hours no problem. And who would expect that bulk hauler synth-drone owned by the local Imperial Express depot was secretly the mysterious cloaked figure running the spy ring out of the spare room in the back of the warehouse?

My first thought on seeing the spyrers was to wonder if I could use one of the Blackstone fortress spindle drones as a head for them. Maybe that's where they come from? The designs seem to be closer to that than tau Or necrom. Or some other ancient tech, I'm sure the book will provide some lore on them.

James12345 wrote:
My first thought on seeing the spyrers was to wonder if I could use one of the Blackstone fortress spindle drones as a head for them. Maybe that's where they come from? The designs seem to be closer to that than tau Or necrom. Or some other ancient tech, I'm sure the book will provide some lore on them.

I'm sure that the book will say "Redacted" or "Unknown Origin" or something of that nature.

 Haighus wrote:


The Imperium notes Tau development is uncommonly rapid and speculates about outside interference. The Tau origin story about Ethereals (presumably from their own legends) talks about seeing lights in the sky and mysterious glimpses of half-seen figures prior to the sudden arrival of the Ethereals. Xenology (from the perspective of an Inquisitor being fed information by a Necron scouting force) points out the similarity between Ethereal forehead glands and the scent glands of Q'orl queens, speculating that the Ethereals use pheromones to control their subjects (Tau have an exceptional sense of smell). The captured Ethereal has feet not hooves though, which is weird. The Q'orl hate Eldar for stealing a Queen, and Xenology also has a recovered fragment from the Eldar talking of Tau as a bulwark against Chaos due to their lack of overt warp souls.

So nothing is confirmed, but the most likely course of events is that an Eldar faction engineered Ethereals based on Q'orl glands to control and unify the Tau as an anti-Chaos weapon.

There's also a mention about how the crystal in the forehead of the Ethereal is structurally similar to Eldar crystals.

Firepower
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/27/when-firepower-is-more-important-than-the-law-necromunda-gangs-reach-for-the-trazior-sentry-gun/

I 100% love these.

Now you too can start to re-create Alien 2! All you need are a bunch of hormagaunts; a tervigon; a few corridors; guns and some scared gaurdsmen!

These are neat.

 Overread wrote:
Now you too can start to re-create Alien 2! All you need are a bunch of hormagaunts; a tervigon; a few corridors; guns and some scared gaurdsmen!

Oh, that's going to be a problem. I'm fresh out of scared Guardsmen. The Commissar shot the last one I had left.

It very much looks like GW went borrowing with Hive Secundus again. We're getting new Genestealers and the Patriarch is the appropriate stand-in for the queen. We now have guns and already had walls.

Kind of a shame GW picked the anime guys as explorers for the new box, but I guess you have to change the odd thing if you're going to copy someone's homework.

Hmm, I'm guessing they're going to be a bit small, but depending on how big they are, they could make good Tarantula Sentry guns in 30k. With a little bit of conversion work, of course.

Oh those are funky!

Smoke Grenades just became even more of a good idea!

 Geifer wrote:
These are neat.

 Overread wrote:
Now you too can start to re-create Alien 2! All you need are a bunch of hormagaunts; a tervigon; a few corridors; guns and some scared gaurdsmen!

Oh, that's going to be a problem. I'm fresh out of scared Guardsmen. The Commissar shot the last one I had left.

It very much looks like GW went borrowing with Hive Secundus again. We're getting new Genestealers and the Patriarch is the appropriate stand-in for the queen. We now have guns and already had walls.

Kind of a shame GW picked the anime guys as explorers for the new box, but I guess you have to change the odd thing if you're going to copy someone's homework.

Counterpoint:

Spyrers=Predators
Tek Hunters=Colonial Marines
GSC=Weyland Yutani Synths
Malstrains=Weyland Yutani modded Xenomorphs.

But to be honest, I feel like treating the "gang" as one whole side of explorers is a bit...simplistic? The Tek Hunters, from what it reads as, are more filling the role of hunting party support for the Orrus.

 Geifer wrote:
These are neat.

 Overread wrote:
Now you too can start to re-create Alien 2! All you need are a bunch of hormagaunts; a tervigon; a few corridors; guns and some scared gaurdsmen!

Oh, that's going to be a problem. I'm fresh out of scared Guardsmen. The Commissar shot the last one I had left.

It very much looks like GW went borrowing with Hive Secundus again. We're getting new Genestealers and the Patriarch is the appropriate stand-in for the queen. We now have guns and already had walls.

Kind of a shame GW picked the anime guys as explorers for the new box, but I guess you have to change the odd thing if you're going to copy someone's homework.

Indeed, they could have gone for Necromunda Spiders Guardsmen, or Jagerkin for this one

Nice! Meanwhile, the Fox legal team is cheerfully about to make a drop on Nottingham...

"Okay sweethearts, we're a team and there's nothing to worry about. We come here and we gonna conquer and we're gonna kick some. Is that understood?"

SamusDrake wrote:
Nice! Meanwhile, the Fox legal team is cheerfully about to make a drop on Nottingham...

Disney owns Aliens now and they have a license with GW.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Disney owns Aliens now and they have a license with GW.

Really? I didn't know that. Whats the license to do with?

Also if they didn’t jump on the third edition hormagaunts they were never going to.

Sentry grenade launchers is an interesting choice - the heavy stubbers make perfect sense, though.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Disney owns Aliens now and they have a license with GW.

Really? I didn't know that. Whats the license to do with?

He might be thinking of the Marvel 40k comics

Love these! I wonder if the legs and feet are adjustable to prop them up higher if you wanted. Necromunda Tarantulas look sick.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Disney owns Aliens now and they have a license with GW.

Really? I didn't know that. Whats the license to do with?

He might be thinking of the Marvel 40k comics

Correct.

I missed it on the first read-through, but it says the rules for the sentry guns will be in an upcoming expansion book. So presumably not the Hive Secundus rulebook(?). Hopefully we see it sometime this year. I am really excited to learn what happened to Haera and what Necromunda looks like under Ozostium's rule.

Wonder if the Grenade Launchers will be limited to Frag and Krak? Whilst not necessarily a good idea, a sentry lobbing smoke grenades could be a challenge. Stick your bonce out, lose LoS. Do it in the wrong order, and lose even more.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

He might be thinking of the Marvel 40k comics

Correct.

Ah, of course, I'd forgotten about those.

In hindsight, a 2000AD Necromunda comic would have been great.

A neat but unambitious release? 1 of each in the picture doesn't even look like it fills up the usual tiny Necromunda sprue.

It's also kindergarten grade edgyness to say these things are outlawed and you are a baaad mofo for using them