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 KidCthulhu wrote:
So people expect gigantic werewolves now, I guess?

Gigantic? No. Bigger than avarage human? Yes.

I'm happy with wolf-men that have around the same mass as in human / wolf form (a large wolf is about the same weight as an average person, 70 kg or so). I would have preferred it if they were a bit more lean and 'stretched out', and if at least some of them were more horizontal (running ape posture rather than crouching humanoid), but I think I'm going to be getting some.
However, I rather question how many people want twenty (or however many come in a box) man-sized werewolves. I would suspect that a smaller number of larger ones would sell better, or a mixture of humanoid ones and full-wolf (or at least close to wolf) form.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

However, I rather question how many people want twenty (or however many come in a box) man-sized werewolves. I would suspect that a smaller number of larger ones would sell better, or a mixture of humanoid ones and full-wolf (or at least close to wolf) form.

Well, I did suggest here (a year ago?) to WGA a box that would allow for both normal wolves and werewolves to be built. That way it could be useful also for those that want normal sized wolves in multiples.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

However, I rather question how many people want twenty (or however many come in a box) man-sized werewolves. I would suspect that a smaller number of larger ones would sell better, or a mixture of humanoid ones and full-wolf (or at least close to wolf) form.

Both of these kits are also in danger of being underwhelming in the amount of options, each only gets half a sprue so you're gonna get a box of 6 or 8 copies of one half sized sprue, that's not great in this day and age.

Could this be the start of occasional smaller, more niche unit boxes for WGA with less models and a smaller price point?

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Could this be the start of occasional smaller, more niche unit boxes for WGA with less models and a smaller price point?

Like two sprues per box = 8 models (using those two shown sprues example)? Could be a nice surprise for those that want some for skirmish games instead rank&file.

The original halflings were on the half sprue and came 40 to a box. They had a good amount of options. I think the afghans are half sprues too.

Edit: looking at the sprues at Mcdougals. The skeletons, grognards, raumjagers and space dwarves are half sprues too. I didn’t go past page 1 so I am sure there are more. I don’t mind the half sprues especially if we get 2 kits (like the werewolves and ratlings ) released at the same time.

The other issue with the small werewolves is that with normal fantasy figures (the majority of which are 32mm to the eyes), they will look even smaller since they appear to be 28mm to the eyes scale.

Werewolves should be monstrous..A typical way to convey the horror of a werewolf is through making it appear larger and stronger than an average human.

But whatever, it is their money on the line. They can make undersized wolves if they want.

 Gallahad wrote:
The other issue with the small werewolves is that with normal fantasy figures (the majority of which are 32mm to the eyes), they will look even smaller since they appear to be 28mm to the eyes scale.

Werewolves should be monstrous..A typical way to convey the horror of a werewolf is through making it appear larger and stronger than an average human.

But whatever, it is their money on the line. They can make undersized wolves if they want.

Yeah, as much as I wanted them, if they really are as small as they appear to my eyes then there is no point of buying them, when even my zombies and peasants (Fireforge ones) will tower over them.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
The other issue with the small werewolves is that with normal fantasy figures (the majority of which are 32mm to the eyes), they will look even smaller since they appear to be 28mm to the eyes scale.

Werewolves should be monstrous..A typical way to convey the horror of a werewolf is through making it appear larger and stronger than an average human.

But whatever, it is their money on the line. They can make undersized wolves if they want.

Yeah, as much as I wanted them, if they really are as small as they appear to my eyes then there is no point of buying them, when even my zombies and peasants (Fireforge ones) will tower over them.

I'm in the same boat. Was going to buy them, but they've moved off the list.

Maybe they would be useful as feral Skaven, or Wererats or something with a head swap?

I will still likely get a box, but mostly just because I like werewolves. But maybe I can make some starwars Aliens out of them.

I still have a few dozen Confrontation Wolfen, Hordes Tharn and Skinwalkers and Wrath of Kings not-Wolfen, having man-sized werewolves fills a better void in my collection than larger monstrous werewolves would have. Reaper and Mantic also have ogre sized werewolves. I'm not sure if larger werewolves would have sold better for WGA, but I feel like there's plenty of ogre-sized models out there already and I like finally having a smaller option.

Seems like a good opportunity for having a monstrous Alpha werewolf as the Big Bad (pun intended) and his village of turned lesser werewolves for our plucky heroes to fight against.

That's a good point

 Kalamadea wrote:
Seems like a good opportunity for having a monstrous Alpha werewolf as the Big Bad (pun intended) and his village of turned lesser werewolves for our plucky heroes to fight against.

This is exactly what I was thinking

 Kalamadea wrote:
Reaper and Mantic also have ogre sized werewolves.

They are not hard plastic. Also we are not talking about ogre sized creatures, which usually are at least 2,5 - 3 metres tall. Bigger than avarage man means for me 190 - 210 cm max. Main problem is that they will be tiny unless your collection is Frostgrave/most historicals sized.

Well, personally I would prefer the ogre-sized. But larger than man-sized would be good too.

I have some rebased hero clix. And there was a Warcraft board game that had some man-sized werewolves. Here are a couple pics. There is also the Raging heroes femme werewolves (there are 4 varieties) and the prepainted plastic confrontation ones.. and the Tehnolog (not tehnolog but cant remember the company) werewolf (army man plastic)

Finally got textured bases. And they really look great, better than on official pics.

 Smokestack wrote:
Well, personally I would prefer the ogre-sized. But larger than man-sized would be good too.

I have some rebased hero clix. And there was a Warcraft board game that had some man-sized werewolves. Here are a couple pics. There is also the Raging heroes femme werewolves (there are 4 varieties) and the prepainted plastic confrontation ones.. and the Tehnolog (not tehnolog but cant remember the company) werewolf (army man plastic)

Thanks for that comparison shot. Very useful information. You're correct that Tehnolog is the company for the guy at the far right.

I think that the Confrontation size is kind of my ideal. I've got a unit of 6 of the pre-painted ones that I slightly touched up the paint on, dipped and put on 40mm squares. They've been great fillers for several fantasy armies over the years and my only regret is that I had 12 and sold 6 of them.

That said, for a smaller skirmish game, I can see the value of something in between 28mm and 40mm. I think the disconnect is that I (and other folks I imagine) think of werewolves as being larger creatures than the Gnolls and Ratmen that are often closer to man-height.

 Eilif wrote:

I think the disconnect is that I (and other folks I imagine) think of werewolves as being larger creatures than the Gnolls and Ratmen that are often closer to man-height.

Aren't gnolls described as 2 metres tall? I may be wrong about that but I think I read it somewhere.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

I think the disconnect is that I (and other folks I imagine) think of werewolves as being larger creatures than the Gnolls and Ratmen that are often closer to man-height.

Aren't gnolls described as 2 metres tall? I may be wrong about that but I think I read it somewhere.

Google says "In Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition, the average gnoll is between 7'0" and 7'6" (2.1–2.3 m) tall." "In Pathfinder 2e, gnolls are typically between 6 and 7 feet tall, but women are usually a head taller than men and are also stronger."

@Eilif I bought a ton of the confrontation prepaints when miniature market kept having them on sale. So have maybe 50? Same with the Wrath of Kings Skorza so have a ton of those as well. The female confrontation prepaints dont look as good but I have a bunch too.

 Smokestack wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

I think the disconnect is that I (and other folks I imagine) think of werewolves as being larger creatures than the Gnolls and Ratmen that are often closer to man-height.

Aren't gnolls described as 2 metres tall? I may be wrong about that but I think I read it somewhere.

Google says "In Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition, the average gnoll is between 7'0" and 7'6" (2.1–2.3 m) tall." "In Pathfinder 2e, gnolls are typically between 6 and 7 feet tall, but women are usually a head taller than men and are also stronger."

@Eilif I bought a ton of the confrontation prepaints when miniature market kept having them on sale. So have maybe 50? Same with the Wrath of Kings Skorza so have a ton of those as well. The female confrontation prepaints dont look as good but I have a bunch too.

I think you're right about Gnolls. I can accept them being man height, but ideally they're at least somewhat taller. In my head they're just one of many 6-8 foot monsters that an adventuring warband might encounter. Gnolls, Orcs, Small Ogres, werewolves, etc, etc....

Great score with the pre-paints! I got a few from the MM sale but should have bought a few more. What are the Female Confrontation prepaints?

As it happens I was just rebase/repainting one of those starter set hills/altar pieces this weekend along with some other pieces.

Sorry about the tangent....

I’m hoping the plastic werewolves will be at least a bit bulkier than the average WA historical or Death Fields mini, but if not I will still use them as alien mercenaries or something.

At the very least I hope they look capable of holding off a German Shepherd for a good minute or two.

Well here is my community good deed of the year

Scaled the werewolf sprue exactly to a WGA ww2 german sprue (because who else are you gonna compare werewolves to) by matching outer frame size



It's not bad, looks like a good match for classic movie werewolves to me. Y'know, back when they were dudes in costume, not CGI.

@Eilif

This pic is from google but there was 2 or 3 different sets... Which were the same sculpts but different paint schemes. I never liked the bikini outfits on them.

Oh gawd, those. I bought some because I wanted to have all the werewolf types, but they’re called Vestals and obviously sculpted for maximum yiff, so I was always too embarrassed to play with them.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well here is my community good deed of the year

Scaled the werewolf sprue exactly to a WGA ww2 german sprue (because who else are you gonna compare werewolves to) by matching outer frame size



It's not bad, looks like a good match for classic movie werewolves to me. Y'know, back when they were dudes in costume, not CGI.

Thank you. That is bigger than they seemed eyeballing it, but smaller than I'd hoped (another 5-7mm height would have been perfect for me)

They will still seem small compared to majority of fantasy miniatures out there, but at least they aren't ratman size.

I'm gonna get some wolfies; they're big enough for me to work with. Thanks for the side-by-side, Blackfang!

New SP

Please don't let that be epic scale

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well here is my community good deed of the year

Scaled the werewolf sprue exactly to a WGA ww2 german sprue (because who else are you gonna compare werewolves to) by matching outer frame size



It's not bad, looks like a good match for classic movie werewolves to me. Y'know, back when they were dudes in costume, not CGI.

Thanks for that. Not as bad as it could be, but as it's shown with a historical, it's going to seem even smaller than pictured placed next to their fantasy and sci Fi figures.

Still, if you need some werewolves these will be cheap and you could always base them taller (on a rock maybe...) to make them seem more intimidating.