Finally, following the release of Codex: Adepta Sororitas earlier this month, we are very excited to announce the next digital exclusive codex.
(drumroll……..)
This November, you will be able to download the brand new Codex: Inquisition.
A full codex, packed with background and artwork on the forces of the Imperium’s most secretive and powerful organization. You’ll soon be able to field an Inquisitor and their retinue in any Imperial army in games of Warhammer 40,000.
We’ll be releasing more details on this book through our Facebook page as the date approaches, so make sure you’re signed up to follow us.
In fact, once we reach 5,000 likes, we’re going to reveal the full cover of the book (so get your friends to sign up to if you want to see it) Here’s a little snippet.
Didn't see that coming!
Update: 30/10/13
Codex Artwork released on Digital Editions Facebook page.
The rules in this book allow you to add the agents of the Inquisition into any Imperial force (as well as fielding them, begrudgingly, alongside the armies some of the less belligerent alien races), or field them as an army in their own right.
The main focus is very definitely on the individual Inquisitors themselves, with every Inquisitor now having access to a bewildering array of options, wargear and armour, making them one of the most customisable characters in the galaxy (as it should be).
There are also plenty of ways to represent your Inquisitor’s alignment to a particular Ordo, from weapons, unique Inquisitorial relics and three Warlord Traits tables for Xenos, Hereticus and Malleus Inquisitors.
Speaking of Warlords, this codex allows you to have an Inquisitor leading your Imperial forces, even when he isn’t part of your Primary Detachment (would you argue with an Inquisitor about who’s in charge?).
Of course, Inquisitors rarely travel alone. Instead they bring with them experienced warriors and specialists, not to mention their pick of the best transports from across the Imperium.
This is great way to represent your Inquisitor’s own particular field of expertise. Will you have a radical Inquisitor leading ethereal squadrons of Daemonhosts, or an experienced alien hunter with a pack of Jokaero Weaponsmiths in tow? Of course, you’re welcome to mix the two if you like (but we can’t promise that your space-ape and possessed monstrosity will play well together).
You’ll be able to pre-order your codex this Saturday, both as an interactive edition for iBooks, and as an eBook edition for your phone, tablet, computer and eReader.
Join us next week, when we’re going to take a look at the next supplement for Codex: Space Marines – ‘Clan Raukaan’ of the Iron Hands.
The Question to Forgeworld
I had a question concerning the newly released PDF for "SPACE MARINE CHAPTER TACTICS FOR SIXTH EDITION WARHAMMER 40,000".
For the section that addresses the Red Hunters on the that states the following:
"By this Seal: When using the Allies Matrix, all models in
the Red Hunters detachment count units from Codex: Grey
Knights and Sisters of Battle as Battle Brothers so long as an
Inquisitor is also present in the allied detachment."
Sisters of Battle (now known as Adeptus Sororitas as in the new codex release) no longer have an inquisitor in their codex and haven't since they were part of the Witch Hunters codex. Can you please clarify how a sisters of battle/adeptus sororitas is suppose to be able to take the Red Hunters as allies if they cannot take an inquisitor in their army list?
The Response via Forge World
Thank you for your email. The Chapter Tactics update is fully up to date with the current codex's and is in fact future proofed. All we can say is that it is correct and the Red Hunters Chapter Tactics will make sense at a later date.
Yep , could be interesting, quite exciting actually, and would be an interesting modelling project.
My only reservation is the bit about "inquisitor and his retinue in any Imperial army" which kinda implies that it won't be a stand alone list. Not a big deal though, probably fluffier that way.
I like how this is out of nowhere. No one had this one predicted. Digital Releases, not only keeping things under wraps but also previewing. GW, take note!
Nafarious wrote: Hmm that might be interesting indeed. Maybe I will start an inquisition army with completely non-gw models. I have been waiting for an excuse.
Nafarious wrote: Hmm that might be interesting indeed. Maybe I will start an inquisition army with completely non-gw models. I have been waiting for an excuse.
My thoughts exactly!
Except that it sounds like (from little we know) that it is an add-on to an existing. So you could make an inquisition ally with completely non-gw models.
Fafnir wrote: Would have totally bought this if it was a standalone boxed game, as was rumoured earlier. But this isn't worth getting back into 40k for.
I don't think that rumor had anything to do with this. It was really specific and, apparently, completely off base. Unless they plan on getting a boxed game out to go with a supplement, which is really unlikely.
Nafarious wrote: Hmm that might be interesting indeed. Maybe I will start an inquisition army with completely non-gw models. I have been waiting for an excuse.
My thoughts exactly!
Except that it sounds like (from little we know) that it is an add-on to an existing. So you could make an inquisition ally with completely non-gw models.
Oh, I'm aware, but I've got 5K or so of Marines to add on to!
Yeah, this is probably where the whole Inquistor box game rumor came from. Oh well. Boxed game would have been cool. This is neat I guess, but just another book to buy with probably not alot of new rules.
Depending on what they do for rules, the DF troopers may be pretty awesome for Storm Troopers. Also, RH, if they ever actually happen.
Aaaannyways. I'm guessing we'll get Inquisitors as Battle Brothers for all Imperial Factions. With a selection of units (Inquisitor, Inq Lord, Henchmen Squad) that you can slap in.
I am not surprised, given how Grey Knights are being treated as a Space Marine army in a lot of ways now. I expect when we see the GK codex the Inquisitors, Henchmen and Assassains will be stripped out and the focus will be on the Knights themselves.
I guess this is the flip side of removing the Templars as a more or less Independant codex.
It does make me wonder what will happen with Wolves and Blood Angels. Will they turn be independant Imperium Codexes or are they joining the Black Templars as an add on to Space Marines. Right now I say they will stay Independant, but I could see GW making a mint off of having 1 SM codex and then a supplement aimed at each of the most famous chapters.
Could we finally see some real background on the Ordo Xenos (that isn't just rehashed stuff on the Deathwatch)? Because I've been waiting for that since way back in 3rd edition when they cancelled the last Codex in the Inquisition Trilogy.
Jefffar wrote: I am not surprised, given how Grey Knights are being treated as a Space Marine army in a lot of ways now. I expect when we see the GK codex the Inquisitors, Henchmen and Assassains will be stripped out and the focus will be on the Knights themselves.
I guess this is the flip side of removing the Templars as a more or less Independant codex.
It does make me wonder what will happen with Wolves and Blood Angels. Will they turn be independant Imperium Codexes or are they joining the Black Templars as an add on to Space Marines. Right now I say they will stay Independant, but I could see GW making a mint off of having 1 SM codex and then a supplement aimed at each of the most famous chapters.
I'm okay with this. Heck, GK would be a supplement as well.
That would indeed be cool to see. Though since this will likely seperate the Inquisition and the GK I don't think that the Deathwatch will be here. We might see a future supplement though.
From the way the Chapter Tactic reads I'd say it's more likely the book is just basically new units (i.e. HQ or Elite or Whatever) that take that spot in an Imperial Codexes force org. Otherwise you still wouldn't be able to allie in Sisters with your Red Hunters since the allied slot would be the Inquisitors in the first place.
That said i'm actually kinda pumped about this. My hope is Inquisitors and retinues and a few new units. Not many, like an HQ Inquisitor and a single elite, single FA, and single HS units. Either way this sounds hella cool but I'm trying to temper my excitement based on previous supplements.
Granted this sounds like something completely different from the current supplements. Or it could be similar to the Tau book which actually gave us a few characters and that might be it.
Hulksmash wrote: From the way the Chapter Tactic reads I'd say it's more likely the book is just basically new units (i.e. HQ or Elite or Whatever) that take that spot in an Imperial Codexes force org. Otherwise you still wouldn't be able to allie in Sisters with your Red Hunters since the allied slot would be the Inquisitors in the first place.
Actually, good call. I forgot about that. So probably slot them into your existing army. Hmm. That might not be bad.
Take an Inqusitor, Assassin, Henchmen. Cheap scoring for everyone.
To be fair to GW the are advertising it as a FULL codex and, to date, have always made a distinction between when announcing a codex and a supplement.
They are also saying it is the second digital exclusive codex. So I'm expecting something similar to the Adepta Sororitas in regards to the amount of content (units and fluffwise).
It's starting to feel like 3rd Edition again. But better because it's all available online and I don't have to find a white dwarf. 6th edition 40k is probably the most excited I've been about 40k (excluding prices) since I was in Highschool (over a decade ago).
I am very pleased to read this. Like others, I would have preferred the Inq 28mm box set that was rumored, but this at least opens the door to using one's Inq conversions in a regular game (provided you have an Imperial army)
I've just started work on some Inquisitor warband/retinue conversions, and this only encourages that project. My armies are Eldar, CSM, and Necrons though. Maybe I need to resurrect my Angels Encarmine...
I wouldn't bank on a model release. This is suppose to be out in November but the November White Dwarf didn't show any 40k Inquisitor models in the price list. But then again it didn't show the codex either so maybe
I think models are really unlikely. In my uninformed opinion this will likely just be the inquisitorial bits of the Grey Knights codex pulled out and made available to all, and maybe tweaked slightly (inquisitor, retinue, assassins, and done)
pretre wrote: That would be huge (if they copy AS) since they had pretty much a 50% of a codex worth of content.
I foresee the 50% content plus padding (Indoctrinated guard for troops, Orbital Bombardment for Heavy Support and other tid bits from Imperial codices) to make up the bare minimum of the full force organisation sections.
Very glad its actually coming, but not getting my hopes for up for anything great.
Maybe this is where the box set rumor came from? Possible mini release to support the new codex?
Not what I was referring to.
I think he got that. He was responding with a semi non-sequitor. I doubt there are many people on here unfamiliar with an 'No one expects the spanish inquisition' reference.
Yep, pretty interested in this. Looks like something that be quite fun to play around with. A Inquisitorial retinue has always been a very customisable thing, in the fluff, so hopefully this will reflect that and let people really get creative with it.
Also the perfect way to get the Inquisition back in with the SoB, they can be fielded alongside but don't get put pushed into one codex together. I like it. And, as per the Chapter Tactics of the Red Hunters from FW, it also nets the Sisters Space Marines as battle brothers (assuming that your opponent is okay with FW).
Jefffar wrote: It does make me wonder what will happen with Wolves and Blood Angels. Will they turn be independant Imperium Codexes or are they joining the Black Templars as an add on to Space Marines.
I dunno, they've kept them distinct for this long. And there's rumours of a SW update, which would kinda go against this outlook, We'll see, but I doubt it.
Grinshanks wrote: To be fair to GW the are advertising it as a FULL codex and, to date, have always made a distinction between when announcing a codex and a supplement.
Just for the record: This is the second "full Codex" exclusively for English speakers that bring a mobile computer to their games.
For everyone else: Sucks being you!
Grinshanks wrote: To be fair to GW the are advertising it as a FULL codex and, to date, have always made a distinction between when announcing a codex and a supplement.
Just for the record: This is the second "full Codex" exclusively for English speakers that bring a mobile computer to their games. For everyone else: Sucks being you!
xruslanx wrote:so...if i don't have a tablet, i can't get this?
As Kroothawk knows quite well, but apparently feels like spreading disinformation... Even if you do not have a tablet computer, you can still get this. In fact, you can use it on any desktop computer that can run a mobi or ePub file. AND you have the right to print one copy under the license agreement.
So, if you want the inquisition book, go ahead and get it and then print it out. That's what I did with Codex: Adepta Sororitas.
edit: To be clear, Kroothawk was correct on the 'only for English speakers' part but not the rest.
Verses wrote: I think the license for these things lets your print them out?
It does. The agreement thing on there lets you print out one copy for personal use. Though formatting it to look nice can be a bit tricky, I think that people had issues getting the AS codex looking nice in print.
From the announcement it doesn't appear to be quite as extensive as I would have hoped, though. Will it really just be Inquisitors and their retinue? Like, an alternate HQ? There would have been potential for more.
But who knows, maybe it will end up being more and they just didn't accurately convey the amount of contents. Fingers crossed.
pretre wrote:I don't think that rumor had anything to do with this. It was really specific and, apparently, completely off base. Unless they plan on getting a boxed game out to go with a supplement, which is really unlikely.
Yeah. Were those rumors not rather specific about a skirmish game? Unless the sources really messed up and just invented 90% of what they report, if not more.
Troike wrote:Though formatting it to look nice can be a bit tricky, I think that people had issues getting the AS codex looking nice in print.
Verses wrote: I think the license for these things lets your print them out?
It does. The agreement thing on there lets you print out one copy for personal use. Though formatting it to look nice can be a bit tricky, I think that people had issues getting the AS codex looking nice in print.
It wasn't terribly difficult. You can use something like Calibre to convert it to PDF and change the font size. It is definitely not beginner friendly though.
Grinshanks wrote: To be fair to GW the are advertising it as a FULL codex and, to date, have always made a distinction between when announcing a codex and a supplement.
Just for the record: This is the second "full Codex" exclusively for English speakers that bring a mobile computer to their games.
For everyone else: Sucks being you!
or tablets, or phones, or printed copies of the epub version..
Maybe this is where the box set rumor came from? Possible mini release to support the new codex?
Not what I was referring to.
I think he got that. He was responding with a semi non-sequitor. I doubt there are many people on here unfamiliar with an 'No one expects the spanish inquisition' reference.
Yes, the joke was used frequently in the other Inq. Thread.
Which I was referring to.
Still would like to see some new minis or maybe a return of some of the whitch hunter figs?
pretre wrote:It wasn't terribly difficult. You can use something like Calibre to convert it to PDF and change the font size. It is definitely not beginner friendly though.
That might technically already be a breach of license (as you're altering stuff), though I'm sure nobody would actually call you out on it.
If I were to print it, I'd probably go all the way and just re-design the entire layout, copying texts and pictures but rearranging them in classic codex fashion.
Lynata wrote: Yeah. Were those rumors not rather specific about a skirmish game? Unless the sources really messed up and just invented 90% of what they report, if not more.
There isn't really a lot on it. Really only one source said Inquisition boxed game. One other source mentioned an Inq codex but it was pretty bad.
Related rumors:
Spoiler:
Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (183 TRUE) / (284 FALSE) / (33 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Release Schedule - April 2013
via an Anonymous Source
Wolves early / middle 2014, PENDING Inquisition fall / end 2014, PENDING Blood Angels fall / end 2015. PENDING Not many releases for Wolves, just specific flyer variants. PENDING Finecast big predator wolf. PENDING Wulven units included. PENDING They also get almost all Marine releases till then, apart of flyers. PENDING Inquisition all three ordos, two different armies (grey knights and sororitas). Inquisitors can replace IGHQs. PENDING Blood Angels on early re-design. SPECULATION
Tastytaste at Blood of Kittens - Total rumors: (120 TRUE) / (20 FALSE) / (12 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Big Box Release - July 2013
Everyone and their mother claims it will be Bloodbowl 2013, sadly I have news for you it ain't coming. PENDING Warhammer 40k: Inquisition PENDING Inquisition is designed for 2-4 players and each side will use custom cards and dice. PENDING
Army sizes consist of about 5-10 models per side. A whole new set of models drawn from Blanche artwork will accompany. The game should be flexible as you can make and design your own Inquisitorial retinue. As for rules complexity that is anyone's guess, but the general marketing goal for Inquisition is a gateway game into the greater Warhammer 40k universe. PENDING Beyond that GW, seems to be taking cues from Kickstarter projects like Sedition Wars and home-brewed rules like Inq28 for Inquisitor. This also might not end up as a limited edition run, but that all depends on sales, and if any support is continued will be done through digital expansions and updates.
As it is that is all I have for now, but if my sources hold true expect more information as it comes! PENDING
I didn't say tablet for a reason.
So we now have:
For English speakers with a tablet/notebook or people with a desktop, a printer, a good amount of time, reformating skills and programs. Once you messed-up your one (1) legal print out, it is again tablet/notebook. So yeah, simple as that.
BTW I doubt that it is strictly legal to reformat the document and print it out. It seems only allowed to print out ONE unformatted copy. Is that correct?
Kroothawk wrote: I didn't say tablet for a reason. So we now have: For English speakers with a tablet/notebook or people with a desktop, a printer, a good amount of time, reformating skills and programs. Once you messed-up your one (1) legal print out, it is again tablet/notebook. So yeah, simple as that.
BTW I doubt that it is strictly legal to reformat the document and print it out. It seems only allowed to print out ONE unformatted copy. Is that correct?
Yes, it is in English only, which sucks for non-English reading folks. No, you don't need a printer, actually, as any number of private companies will print things for you. Heck, you don't even need a computer since you could walk into Office Max (or the equivalent), log in to black library and download it to their location for them to print for you. No, You don't need to reformat it, as it will work fine printed in the original format. (the font will be pretty big though. I imagine most people would just have the print print it in 'booklet' format to compensate.) Yes, I may have violated my license agreement by changing the format because I like to tinker with things. No, you do not have to do so in order to print it.
You keep raging against the digital books though! Fight the good fight!
Pretty sure if you "mess up your 1 legal printout" you could destroy it (say, shred it or burn it) and do another one. You're allowed one copy for your personal use. Or are you saying you believe if I print one copy that I'm happy with but then I spill tea on it, or lose it, or my kid eats it, I'm not allowed to print another?
Bull0 wrote: Pretty sure if you "mess up your 1 legal printout" you could destroy it (say, shred it or burn it) and do another one. You're allowed one copy for your personal use. Or are you saying you believe if I print one copy that I'm happy with but then I spill tea on it, or lose it, or my kid eats it, I'm not allowed to print another?
Bull0 wrote: Pretty sure if you "mess up your 1 legal printout" you could destroy it (say, shred it or burn it) and do another one. You're allowed one copy for your personal use. Or are you saying you believe if I print one copy that I'm happy with but then I spill tea on it, or lose it, or my kid eats it, I'm not allowed to print another?
I wasn't going to even respond to that one, since it was silly.
pretre wrote: No, you do not have to do so in order to print it.
You keep raging against the digital books though! Fight the good fight!
What would a 200 page copyshop print out with download service cost extra, if done to survive more than one game?
As much as one current softcover Codex (in addition to the download fee that is)?
BTW I am not raging a war against digital books per se, I am thinking of the target customer little Timmy, who just wants to play with his toy soldiers without extra computer equipments and programming skills.
pretre wrote: No, you do not have to do so in order to print it.
You keep raging against the digital books though! Fight the good fight!
What would a 200 page copyshop print out with download service cost extra, if done to survive more than one game?
BTW I am not raging a war against digital books per se, I am thinking of the target customer little Timmy, who just wants to play with his toy soldiers without extra computer equipments and programming skills.
To bad for little timmy (though in the School district I work at we give all the kids Ipads..)
pretre wrote: No, you do not have to do so in order to print it.
You keep raging against the digital books though! Fight the good fight!
What would a 200 page copyshop print out with download service cost extra, if done to survive more than one game?
I'm not sure what this sentence is supposed to mean? How much would it cost? 5-10 cents a page. So at worse 20 bucks. Generally double sided are less so closer to 10. Pretty easy to tell them not to print pages 51-111 which knocks a bunch off too.
I am thinking of the target customer little Timmy, who just wants to play with his toy soldiers without extra computer equipments and programming skills.
Little Timmy is not the target audience for Supplements and Digidexes.
pretre wrote: Although, it appears that the license does not provide for physical copies anymore. Whoops:
GW eBook License
So it's mobile computer (tablet, notebook) only again?
pretre wrote: I'm not sure what this sentence is supposed to mean? How much would it cost? 5-10 cents a page. So at worse 20 bucks. Generally double sided are less so closer to 10. Pretty easy to tell them not to print pages 51-111 which knocks a bunch off too.
You forgot the binding and the download service in your scenario. My point is that you must pay the price for an extra softcover Codex in addition to the download price to get a functional Codex for people without mobile computer.
Little Timmy is not the target audience for Supplements and Digidexes.
That's what I said: Sucks to be poor and/or in the colonies: GW is not meant for you.
Ouch, they've taken the right to print it out away? Even though people are very likely to want to do that? I'mma go write an email to Black Library to tell them how disappointed I am in them
I like this. The Inquisition portion of the GK Codex always seemed like an add-on any way. Lots of Grey Knight fluff in the dex and almost no mention of the Inquisition.
I think the inquisition are some of the most interesting and exciting parts of 40k. That's where the good stories are that let you use your imagination and give great conversion possibilities. That's where the best novels are and why they based the 54mm game around them and one of the strands of the RPG is published, alongside deathwatch and rogue traders. I think they deserve more than a digital codex, at least new models.
Wonder if we'll get any one-click bundles to go alongside it? Maybe things like retinues for each Ordo? Not sure which army's page they'd go into, though. Maybe just every Imperial army's page.
Crablezworth wrote: I can't see any new kits being released alongside this codex. Maybe some more finegak err finecast.
A few Inquisitor models have actually vanished, in fact. At least from the UK site.
New, or at least updated, models would be nice. Wouldn't get your hopes up, though.
From the Agreement if you buy it now " 1.3 to print one (1) hard copy of the e-book for your personal use only. If you accidentally destroy or damage this hard copy, you shall be entitled to create a further copy provided that you obliterate any remaining elements of the previous copy."
marcus.iscariat wrote: From the Agreement if you buy it now " 1.3 to print one (1) hard copy of the e-book for your personal use only. If you accidentally destroy or damage this hard copy, you shall be entitled to create a further copy provided that you obliterate any remaining elements of the previous copy."
Troike wrote: Wonder if we'll get any one-click bundles to go alongside it? Maybe things like retinues for each Ordo? Not sure which army's page they'd go into, though. Maybe just every Imperial army's page.
Crablezworth wrote: I can't see any new kits being released alongside this codex. Maybe some more finegak err finecast.
A few Inquisitor models have actually vanished, in fact. At least from the UK site.
New, or at least updated, models would be nice. Wouldn't get your hopes up, though.
Ya hopefully it will have all three ordos in there. If I really wanted to get my hopes up I'd wish for deathwatch rules.
Troike wrote: Wonder if we'll get any one-click bundles to go alongside it? Maybe things like retinues for each Ordo? Not sure which army's page they'd go into, though. Maybe just every Imperial army's page.
Crablezworth wrote: I can't see any new kits being released alongside this codex. Maybe some more finegak err finecast.
A few Inquisitor models have actually vanished, in fact. At least from the UK site.
New, or at least updated, models would be nice. Wouldn't get your hopes up, though.
Ya hopefully it will have all three ordos in there. If I really wanted to get my hopes up I'd wish for deathwatch rules.
Look at the latest Apocalypse book. There's Deathwatch rules in there.
Oh, the lack of ability to print it legally is a bit weak. For me it doesn't make much difference, but not cool for those who are affected. Ah well, they have said the more popular titles will likely make it to print form, and I could possibly see this being one of those...small hope, but at least it's something.
So on the line of models, is it particularly difficult to find good stand ins/alternatives?
Troike wrote: Wonder if we'll get any one-click bundles to go alongside it? Maybe things like retinues for each Ordo? Not sure which army's page they'd go into, though. Maybe just every Imperial army's page.
Crablezworth wrote: I can't see any new kits being released alongside this codex. Maybe some more finegak err finecast.
A few Inquisitor models have actually vanished, in fact. At least from the UK site.
New, or at least updated, models would be nice. Wouldn't get your hopes up, though.
Ya hopefully it will have all three ordos in there. If I really wanted to get my hopes up I'd wish for deathwatch rules.
Look at the latest Apocalypse book. There's Deathwatch rules in there.
Verses wrote: Oh, the lack of ability to print it legally is a bit weak. For me it doesn't make much difference, but not cool for those who are affected. Ah well, they have said the more popular titles will likely make it to print form, and I could possibly see this being one of those...small hope, but at least it's something.
It sounds like the BL needs to update their site, since the actual agreement when you purchase it is different and allows printing.
it may well be there are special t&c for the digital only dexes (ie you can make a single print copy) compared to the ones where GW will (eventually) sell you a hard copy where you can't
So it's mobile computer (tablet, notebook) only again?
Any computing device.
"personal computers, e-book readers, mobile phones, portable hard drives, USB flash drives, CDs or DVDs"
So you are talking about putting a USB stick or CD on the table or dragging the PC to the local store?
They are talking about where you can store a copy... though it you have it on a USB device you could plop it onto a Surface tablet and have the rules right there...
Hulksmash wrote: I wouldn't bank on a model release. This is suppose to be out in November but the November White Dwarf didn't show any 40k Inquisitor models in the price list. But then again it didn't show the codex either so maybe
Well, there is still that female Inquisitor from the Grey Knights codex that doesn't have an official model. I'd love to see a multipart basic Inquisitor kit to go along side this, but that's been a wishlist item for near a decade now.
Troike wrote: Wonder if we'll get any one-click bundles to go alongside it? Maybe things like retinues for each Ordo? Not sure which army's page they'd go into, though. Maybe just every Imperial army's page.
Crablezworth wrote: I can't see any new kits being released alongside this codex. Maybe some more finegak err finecast.
A few Inquisitor models have actually vanished, in fact. At least from the UK site.
New, or at least updated, models would be nice. Wouldn't get your hopes up, though.
Ya hopefully it will have all three ordos in there. If I really wanted to get my hopes up I'd wish for deathwatch rules.
Look at the latest Apocalypse book. There's Deathwatch rules in there.
The pandorax one?
The Damnos version. Hopefully they'll have DW that would be awesome
I don't think GWS has the ability to either grant or revoke your ability to maintain a single printed copy of your digital media since format shifting is a recognized fair use.
All the little Timmy's I know are better with computers than 95% of the people over 30. Pretty sure this format is better for little Timmy than old grognards like most of us.
@Ouze
Exactly. A single copy is legit period. Which is probably why it's in the actual purchase ToA.
Im going to call it now. Pretre, don't add me to the list.
A super-duper deluxe master collector's edition that includes Codex SM, AS, Inq, GK and IG. That'll be 600$ please. To pay for the leatherette case, you see.
Still no love for the Dark Angels, because screw them.
And Little Timmy will have it on his phone while tweeting how his Taudar are smashing you.
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Mathieu Raymond wrote: A super-duper deluxe master collector's edition that includes Codex SM, AS, Inq, GK and IG. That'll be 600$ please. To pay for the leatherette case, you see.
Still no love for the Dark Angels, because screw them.
Don't forget your choice of Different cover for a further $100.
Ahhh, good stuff. In that case I'm back to thinking it's not too much hassle to print a copy out. Understand why it might be difficult for those who aren't so up to date with tech, though.
Maybe this is where the box set rumor came from? Possible mini release to support the new codex?
I wonder if there will be a skirmish scenario in it and that may be where the rumor came from. We might see a re-release of older models in a small box set. Who knows heh.
Troike wrote: Wonder if we'll get any one-click bundles to go alongside it? Maybe things like retinues for each Ordo? Not sure which army's page they'd go into, though. Maybe just every Imperial army's page.
Crablezworth wrote: I can't see any new kits being released alongside this codex. Maybe some more finegak err finecast.
A few Inquisitor models have actually vanished, in fact. At least from the UK site.
New, or at least updated, models would be nice. Wouldn't get your hopes up, though.
Ya hopefully it will have all three ordos in there. If I really wanted to get my hopes up I'd wish for deathwatch rules.
Look at the latest Apocalypse book. There's Deathwatch rules in there.
Wow. GW look at you releasing lots of stuff that is relevent to my interests. I will certainly be picking this up, one of the draws to C: Witch Hunters. Now I've full AS and will be getting a full -I- Dex. Oh happy day.
Maybe this is where the box set rumor came from? Possible mini release to support the new codex?
I doubt it. It was probably from this month's White Dwarf that has two small battle boards made to fit John Blanche's 40k warbands that he likes to create.
Furthermore, my prediction based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever is that the Sisters will get a full Codex, incorporating to core Order forces, and Ecclesiarchy support (Arco-flagellants, Penitent Engines, priests, and so forth) with undoubtedly a few new units.
The =][= on the other hand will become a Supplement for all Imperial armies. Therefore granting the three Ordos Majoris, with their own little gimmicks, Assassin operatives, Orbital Strikes, Special Characters, and some interesting thematic units. Some simple special rules keeps all parties happy- I get my Witch Hunters, purists get SoB Codex.
Called it on 08/08. Couldn't be happier and will definitely be checking it out!
This is extremely interesting. I wonder if they'll have access to Deathwatch units? This also makes me wonder what will happen with the GK codex when it gets updated.
Looking over past digital supplements, I think we're looking at two units (Inquisitors + Henchmen), a Warlord Trait Table, some scenarios, and pages and pages and pages of fluff. No real army in there.
Bull0 wrote: It's so wrong that I want to buy a £50 book just to get rules for Deathwatch
Well there is a whole game called "Deathwatch". Sure, it has nothing to do with 6th Ed, but still...
Looking over past digital supplements, I think we're looking at two units (Inquisitors + Henchmen), a Warlord Trait Table, some scenarios, and pages and pages and pages of fluff. No real army in there.
Bull0 wrote: It's so wrong that I want to buy a £50 book just to get rules for Deathwatch
Well there is a whole game called "Deathwatch". Sure, it has nothing to do with 6th Ed, but still...
Crablezworth wrote:Ya hopefully it will have all three ordos in there. If I really wanted to get my hopes up I'd wish for deathwatch rules.
Look at the latest Apocalypse book. There's Deathwatch rules in there.
The pandorax one?
The Damnos version. Hopefully they'll have DW that would be awesome
Damnos apparently has a datasheet for a Deathwatch strike force made from two kill-teams. No Inquisitor, though.
The necessary models (2 Marine squads and the Ordo Xenos pauldrons + boltguns with M44 targeter and fire selector) are being sold on the GW website as a one-click bundle: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod2160206a
It'd certainly be cool if the supplement would have an option for the classic Kill-team with an Inquisitor or Deathwatch Captain leading a single squad of Deathwatch Marines.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Hmm...
A Codex: Inquisition you say?
Looking over past digital supplements, I think we're looking at two units (Inquisitors + Henchmen), a Warlord Trait Table, some scenarios, and pages and pages and pages of fluff. No real army in there.
Regardless of whether the supplement works by placing the Inquisitor as an Allied Detachment, or as additional HQ choices, I don't see the problem. What armies aside from those that can already be fielded with current codices would you have looked at? Even assuming that it won't have its own rules for ISTs and DW Marines (which I hope it will), I'm sure you can easily pair the supplement with C:SM or C:IG for a similar effect.
Looking over past digital supplements, I think we're looking at two units (Inquisitors + Henchmen), a Warlord Trait Table, some scenarios, and pages and pages and pages of fluff. No real army in there.
Bull0 wrote: It's so wrong that I want to buy a £50 book just to get rules for Deathwatch
Well there is a whole game called "Deathwatch". Sure, it has nothing to do with 6th Ed, but still...
Yeah, I have the Deathwatch book! I really only bought it for the pictures and fluff. I tried running the game with a few of my friends and it was really complicated, so I gave up. I don't really have the time to invest or enough relevant experience to get that working. I'd love to play in someone else's campaign at some point.
Looking over past digital supplements, I think we're looking at two units (Inquisitors + Henchmen), a Warlord Trait Table, some scenarios, and pages and pages and pages of fluff. No real army in there.
To be fair, they never actually said it was an army. The BL blog post is quite upfront about it only letting you take an Inquisitor and their retinue in an Imperial army.
This is a complete surprise for me, I thought that Codex: GK had killed off the Inquisition completely. I think it is great news, I wanted some Inqisition allies for my IG before GK came along and made them an elite choice in a space marine codex.
I don't even care if they don't get new models, I think the old ones are very cool. I even have a Kindle, but I wonder how the codex will look in black and white.
Troike wrote: To be fair, they never actually said it was an army. The BL blog post is quite upfront about it only letting you take an Inquisitor and their retinue in an Imperial army.
And we need a whole bloody supplement for that?
Once upon a time an Inquisitorial Retinue would have been an article in WD and then a free PDF on the website a few months later. In fact... it was an article in WD.
What's next? A full priced supplement for a revamped Imperial Guard High Command?
Anyway, ranting aside, I kinda want an Inquisitorial army. Back in the day I had a combined DH/WH army with nary a GK or SoB in sight. Easily one of the most fun armies I ever played (even if it was terrible on the table).
I have to admit, if it's really just the units from codex:GK, I already own codex:GK so I'm definitely just homebrewing that, there's no way I'm buying it as a separate book.
Bull0 wrote: Pretty sure if you "mess up your 1 legal printout" you could destroy it (say, shred it or burn it) and do another one. You're allowed one copy for your personal use. Or are you saying you believe if I print one copy that I'm happy with but then I spill tea on it, or lose it, or my kid eats it, I'm not allowed to print another?
I expect the core of the book will be built around the inquisitors/henchmen in the GK book; Ward-Hate aside, it was well-written rules wise and very modular; you could do almost anything with it. Throw in a few more options related to models available to other Imperial armies with some special rules (Deathwatch, Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, etc) and you're good to go with some background fluff.
Given the subject, I don't expect this to be as a fluff-centric as the supplements; note they're not calling this a supplement themselves, and nomenclature is important for GW. I expect it to have a lot more rules than existent supplements; probably not as many as I'd like due to the restriction every entry must have a model, but how much more do they need to add to the GK mechanic to make it fun and worthwhile? Modernize the rules a little bit, add a little more flair to the henchmen retinues, give some special rules based on ordos and boom, product completed.
Looking over past digital supplements, I think we're looking at two units (Inquisitors + Henchmen), a Warlord Trait Table, some scenarios, and pages and pages and pages of fluff. No real army in there.
Except that it's not a supplement. It's a codex. They advertise supplements as supplements. They advertised the SOB digital release as a codex. So if we're looking over past digital only "codexes" we are looking at the sisters book, not the supplements. Which could mean an actual fieldable army. My guess is actually something similar to the previous DH or WH books as far as being able to be taken in imperial lists or incorporating them into a C:I list. Possibly with the only troop choice being Storm Troopers.
Just some random thoughts but I think it's more than a 1pg set of rules.
Given the subject, I don't expect this to be as a fluff-centric as the supplements; note they're not calling this a supplement themselves, and nomenclature is important for GW.
All Codexes are supplements.
My Space Marines and my Eldar Codex have say "supplement for Warhammer 40000" in bright, white letters right on the book.
Given the subject, I don't expect this to be as a fluff-centric as the supplements; note they're not calling this a supplement themselves, and nomenclature is important for GW.
All Codexes are supplements.
My Space Marines and my Eldar Codex have say "supplement for Warhammer 40000" in bright, white letters right on the book.
'supliment' is generally used to mean 'suppliments to codexes', not 'suppliments to the warhammer 40,000 rulebook'.
Given the subject, I don't expect this to be as a fluff-centric as the supplements; note they're not calling this a supplement themselves, and nomenclature is important for GW.
All Codexes are supplements.
My Space Marines and my Eldar Codex have say "supplement for Warhammer 40000" in bright, white letters right on the book.
'supliment' is generally used to mean 'suppliments to codexes', not 'suppliments to the warhammer 40,000 rulebook'.
By the interwebs? Yes.
But the post I was quoting was referring to "official" GW nomenclature, where the same is not true. They use the term supplement in a variety of ways, including Supplements to their games, supplements to the supplements to their games (e.g. Codexes), etc..
Fafnir wrote:Would have totally bought this if it was a standalone boxed game, as was rumoured earlier. But this isn't worth getting back into 40k for.
But a standalone boxed game wouldn't have been 40k; it would have been a standalone boxed game. You can choose to get back into 40k with or without a standalone boxed game.
Cant wait to see whats up. im really hoping the moving of assassins so i can use them in any number of my armies without having to take coteaz or GK models. Weeeeeee
Fafnir wrote:Would have totally bought this if it was a standalone boxed game, as was rumoured earlier. But this isn't worth getting back into 40k for.
But a standalone boxed game wouldn't have been 40k; it would have been a standalone boxed game. You can choose to get back into 40k with or without a standalone boxed game.
Well, you know. There are degrees of 'getting back into 40k'. I think in this context, it works. I got what he meant. You are technically right, though.
Lynata wrote: Yeah. Were those rumors not rather specific about a skirmish game? Unless the sources really messed up and just invented 90% of what they report, if not more.
There isn't really a lot on it. Really only one source said Inquisition boxed game. One other source mentioned an Inq codex but it was pretty bad.
Related rumors:
Spoiler:
Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (183 TRUE) / (284 FALSE) / (33 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Release Schedule - April 2013
via an Anonymous Source
Wolves early / middle 2014, PENDING Inquisition fall / end 2014, PENDING Blood Angels fall / end 2015. PENDING Not many releases for Wolves, just specific flyer variants. PENDING Finecast big predator wolf. PENDING Wulven units included. PENDING They also get almost all Marine releases till then, apart of flyers. PENDING Inquisition all three ordos, two different armies (grey knights and sororitas). Inquisitors can replace IGHQs. PENDING Blood Angels on early re-design. SPECULATION
Tastytaste at Blood of Kittens - Total rumors: (120 TRUE) / (20 FALSE) / (12 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Big Box Release - July 2013
Everyone and their mother claims it will be Bloodbowl 2013, sadly I have news for you it ain't coming. PENDING Warhammer 40k: Inquisition PENDING Inquisition is designed for 2-4 players and each side will use custom cards and dice. PENDING
Army sizes consist of about 5-10 models per side. A whole new set of models drawn from Blanche artwork will accompany. The game should be flexible as you can make and design your own Inquisitorial retinue. As for rules complexity that is anyone's guess, but the general marketing goal for Inquisition is a gateway game into the greater Warhammer 40k universe. PENDING Beyond that GW, seems to be taking cues from Kickstarter projects like Sedition Wars and home-brewed rules like Inq28 for Inquisitor. This also might not end up as a limited edition run, but that all depends on sales, and if any support is continued will be done through digital expansions and updates.
As it is that is all I have for now, but if my sources hold true expect more information as it comes! PENDING
It is highly possible my source on the matter might have gotten things confused either on purpose or not and combined what he knew about Inquisition with the Fantasy Expansion. I will have to email him and see what he says.
I would say the rumor mongers should get at least a partial true in Pretre's rumor thread. Those who said we were getting a game based on inquisitor in November were half right after all. We ARE getting an inquisition item. It's just not a full fledged game, it's a 40k supplement. Hence partially true. Right pretre?
Furthermore, my prediction based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever is that the Sisters will get a full Codex, incorporating to core Order forces, and Ecclesiarchy support (Arco-flagellants, Penitent Engines, priests, and so forth) with undoubtedly a few new units.
The =][= on the other hand will become a Supplement for all Imperial armies. Therefore granting the three Ordos Majoris, with their own little gimmicks, Assassin operatives, Orbital Strikes, Special Characters, and some interesting thematic units. Some simple special rules keeps all parties happy- I get my Witch Hunters, purists get SoB Codex.
Called it on 08/08. Couldn't be happier and will definitely be checking it out!
But you forgot to tell us, that it costs 52€ for just the allowance to reformat and print the updated Witchhunter Codex (Sororitas plus Inquisition) on your computer and crappy printer
timetowaste85 wrote: I would say the rumor mongers should get at least a partial true in Pretre's rumor thread. Those who said we were getting a game based on inquisitor in November were half right after all. We ARE getting an inquisition item. It's just not a full fledged game, it's a 40k supplement. Hence partially true. Right pretre?
I'll check each one once it releases but it sounds like a lot of false.
To be fair to Tasty, he gets a lot of stuff right so when he gets something wrong it isn't a big deal. Not like Natfka.
Is this what people mistakenly thought was the mystery box? Or will this have any physical releases with it? I mean there are only a handful of inquisitor models at the moment, there will eventually need to be some sort of new models.
I'm a little confused as to the substance this codex contains. Does this mean assassins will be able to be taken by any imperial army again? While that is exciting, I also don't want to take the time repaint another callidus/vindicare assassin only for them to remove it from every imperial army to be given to another army next edition all over again.
Commissar Benny wrote: While that is exciting, I also don't want to take the time repaint another callidus/vindicare assassin only for them to remove it from every imperial army to be given to another army next edition all over again.
I hope we do see some of the Inquisitor and retenue models return. Assuming it's gonna be like the Adepta Sororitas dex there won't be new units or anything but hopefully we'll get some cool rules and fluff. Has a release date been mentioned do we know?
Considering this seems focus on groups of models that can be added to any Imperial force, would it be outside of the realm of possibility that this Codex might be released with a few models along with it?
I could expect an Inquisitor model with a few options and then an acolyte warband of 5-10 models with a lot of options, like the Sternguard/Guard Command Squad boxes.
This means people with have models for GK armies with Inquisitors and those with Coteaz heavy lists, as well as covering the new availability that this codex provides.
I would love to see if I am right, coz that could explain the rumours of people seing models for this Inquisitor28 game that floated around.
As long they remove the Inquisitor silliness from codex: Grey Knights, I'm fine with this.
Besides, I expect there will be more units than just two in this supplement. Would be quite a good opportunity to make all different Ordos now. Of course, they would be limited to the released models only, like what happened in the codex: Adepta Sororitas.
I have no problem letting GK keep their Inquisitors/Henchmen.
I would love to see more than those two I mentioned but what else is there that cannot be created with what is currently available?
Puritan Xenos -
2 Sternguard + 1 Tactical Squad + 2 sets of Deathwatch Pads = 2 Squads of Deathwatch.
Captain Box = Makes your HQ for them if you need a Watch Captain.
Radical Xenos -
A box of Kroot/Orks/Eldar for whatever Mercs they hire to represent whatever unit they come out with for that.
Lead by my fictitious Inquisitor clamshell/box.
Puritan Malleus -
Just add Henchmen + GK
Radical Malleus -
Just add Henchment + Deamons, though a 28mm daemonhost wouldnt go astray.
Puritan Hereticus -
Just add Henchmen + Priests + SoBs
Radical Hereticus -
Just add Henchmen + Sanctioned Psykers ....actually you might want some radical stuff for human psykers rather than the relatively tame Guard ones.
Vain wrote: Considering this seems focus on groups of models that can be added to any Imperial force, would it be outside of the realm of possibility that this Codex might be released with a few models along with it?
Given we know this is out in November if there were new models attached we'd surely have seen them by now. I really don't think it's worth getting your hopes up over
Wonder if special characters will end up in this too? If so, could that herald the removal of the Inquisition from the GK book?
evildrcheese wrote: I hope we do see some of the Inquisitor and retenue models return. Assuming it's gonna be like the Adepta Sororitas dex there won't be new units or anything
Call me overly optimistic, but there's a good reason that we didn't get new models with the SoB update, they probably weren't ready yet. There's no such issue for the Inquisition, so they could release some new models, if they wanted. If only a few Inquisitors to give them some variety. They wouldn't even have to be all-new, just some plastics of some of the OOP models, if that's possible. We'll see, I guess.
Whoo! This is actually amazing news! Finally I can have inquisitors without those bloody Grey Knights! I hope Inquisitors can now get an invulnerable save too. I'm really exited, they better not feth this up.
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We’ve reached 5,000 likes, and that means we can now reveal the new cover for Codex: Inquisition.
Feast your eyes on this awesome new piece by Marek Okon.
Look how cool this guy is!
He could not be more Warhammer 40,000 if he tried: he’s got the sword, he’s got the boltgun, power armour, purity seals, bionics - the whole package.
We’ll be posting more details on this codex over the coming weeks right here on Facebook so stay posted.
- Eddie
PS: We actually reached 5,000 likes last night at about 23:00, but I was asleep, sorry.
Thanks for waiting!
Games Workshop: Digital Editions wrote:Look how cool this guy is!
He could not be more Warhammer 40,000 if he tried: he’s got the sword, he’s got the boltgun, power armour, purity seals, bionics - the whole package.
Would be odd if he wasn't, considering he's based off a Citadel miniature released a decade ago! This totally proves we'll get new minis alongside the codex!
3D rendered codex art? That's a first, isn't it? It's cool, but I think I prefer Raymond Swanland's art on the 6E hardcovers so far; the 3D art makes it look more like it's from a video game.
I think it looks great, and it's a good rendering. IMO it's better than a lot of the other 6th edition codices, but that might be because I simply like the Inquisition more.
Yeah, I think that the artwork's pretty nice. Fits right in with the Inquisition. Seems like they're pretty strong with cover art in general, right now.
Vain wrote: Considering this seems focus on groups of models that can be added to any Imperial force, would it be outside of the realm of possibility that this Codex might be released with a few models along with it?
The models already exist.
I was going to get all snarky about the lack of Henchmen unit models but then looked in the Grey Knight army section of the website and saw there was a Box of plastic henchmen that I never realised were there.
Bull0 wrote: Pretty cringey text. File that alongside the "Why are you even reading this? Go buy it and come back!" gak from the main store page.
I think it's a tongue-in-cheek comment on 40k style - "Look how cool this guy is!
He could not be more Warhammer 40,000 if he tried: he’s got the sword, he’s got the boltgun, power armour, purity seals, bionics - the whole package. "
Vain wrote: but then looked in the Grey Knight army section of the website and saw there was a Box of plastic henchmen that I never realised were there.
Where? I'm not seeing any plastic henchmen boxes.
Also, noticed that the Australian site still has all of the Inquisitors on it. We actually lost quite a few, on the UK site. It'd be nice if this codex supplement brought them back.
I was going to get all snarky about the lack of Henchmen unit models but then looked in the Grey Knight army section of the website and saw there was a Box of plastic henchmen that I never realised were there.
What a fool of a took I have been...
Good lord, I'm gullible. Or my sarcasm detector's on the fritz. Anyway, y you do dis
You people really will bitch about anything. The community person/people responsible for posting this on the FB page is supposed to try and generate excitement for upcoming products. Chances are all they're allowed to work with right now is that image, so yeah, that's what they focus on.
And it IS a cool picture. The text seems like an excited young player drooling over a new 40K image.
None of us has ever done that, right?
Sorry Troike and Bull0.
That was just some Aussie on Aussie snark that I couldn't resist when HBMC declared that the models all exist.
As your excitement shows there isn't any dedicated and non-converted options for Henchies just yet.
I just thought this would be an awesome time to release them if some had been made (and possibly peeked at)
TL;DR = There aren't any magical plastic henchmen models on the Australian site, well at least not yet.
Actually if the only thing they do is allow you to take an Inquisitor and some henchmen without having to mention Codex: GK, that is good enough for me!
Eh was cool tell I saw it was digital only. I don't own a tablet and I'm not buying one just for GW over priced idex. Since I csnt drag my pc along with me and all the local shops have a requirement of a physical codex. No copies allowed then it makes no since to buy it.
wowsmash wrote: Eh was cool tell I saw it was digital only. I don't own a tablet and I'm not buying one just for GW over priced idex. Since I csnt drag my pc along with me and all the local shops have a requirement of a physical codex. No copies allowed then it makes no since to buy it.
You're allowed to print a copy out for personal use. If you want it, it's just a matter of converting it to a PDF, maybe doing a bit of reformatting, and printing it. There, physical copy.
wowsmash wrote: Eh was cool tell I saw it was digital only. I don't own a tablet and I'm not buying one just for GW over priced idex. Since I csnt drag my pc along with me and all the local shops have a requirement of a physical codex. No copies allowed then it makes no since to buy it.
You're allowed to print a copy out for personal use. If you want it, it's just a matter of converting it to a PDF, maybe doing a bit of reformatting, and printing it. There, physical copy.
Or just accepting books are going that way. You can get a Kobo e-reader for £30.
Anyway, I am so excited about this. Hopefully this is a sign of the future. Perhaps a stealer cult one, maybe minor races or something else if this goes well. All the stuff we saw months ago as a supposed allies supplement.
No. Not everybody wants to spend money on a tablet just for carrying around wargaming rules. It's simple enough to turn them into physical copies if you so desire, and BL allows for allows for this in its terms and conditions. Alternatively, one can be patient and wait for an eventual physical release. Either way, there's no need to buy a tablet for these just because GW likes digital stuff.
Troike wrote: No. Not everybody wants to spend money on a tablet just for carrying around wargaming rules. It's simple enough to turn them into physical copies if you so desire, and BL allows for allows for this in its terms and conditions. Alternatively, one can be patient and wait for an eventual physical release. Either way, there's no need to buy a tablet for these just because GW likes digital stuff.
Shesh... All I was doing was pointing out that there are inexpensive ways to get the digital books. Fine, some people may not want one, but cost is not a reason. £30 for the e-reader and a £5 discount on e-book codex's. I was just putting that up because some people are under the impression that digital versions somehow exclude people, and others will say they are not aloud printed versions at X event or store.
Troike wrote: No. Not everybody wants to spend money on a tablet just for carrying around wargaming rules. It's simple enough to turn them into physical copies if you so desire, and BL allows for allows for this in its terms and conditions. Alternatively, one can be patient and wait for an eventual physical release. Either way, there's no need to buy a tablet for these just because GW likes digital stuff.
I am hoping that codex wise, all the digital ones are eventually coming out in physical form, just at a later date. Like the Black Legion one that is coming out in hardback next month.
I really dont want to have to use yet another electronic device, especially to read books, of all things !!
Squidbot wrote: The community person/people responsible for posting this on the FB page is supposed to try and generate excitement for upcoming products. Chances are all they're allowed to work with right now is that image, so yeah, that's what they focus on.
And it IS a cool picture. The text seems like an excited young player drooling over a new 40K image.
None of us has ever done that, right?
As with anything, there are many facets:
1) GW releases nothing and shuts down leaks. People complain.
2) GW releases preview images and tries to create buzz. People complain.
3) GW starts snuffing drifters. People complain.
4) GW cures cancer and gives out free puppies. People complain.
Squidbot wrote: The community person/people responsible for posting this on the FB page is supposed to try and generate excitement for upcoming products. Chances are all they're allowed to work with right now is that image, so yeah, that's what they focus on.
And it IS a cool picture. The text seems like an excited young player drooling over a new 40K image.
None of us has ever done that, right?
As with anything, there are many facets:
1) GW releases nothing and shuts down leaks. People complain.
2) GW releases preview images and tries to create buzz. People complain.
3) GW starts snuffing drifters. People complain.
4) GW cures cancer and gives out free puppies. People complain.
The only constant? Complaints.
No. But forum (internet?) bias.
The majority of people simply enjoy things (quietly).
A vocal minority complaints on the web, and since they are the visible part, they (foolishly) think they represent the majority.
This has clearly been the case for a lot of complaints about GW: Matt Ward, Dreadknights, Random Psychic Powers, etc.. . Why should it be different for Digital Releases?
I'm new to the digital codex thing and have had no problems with them running on a desktop. Only problem I've encountered is getting use to a non paper format. Different but not a bad thing.
Definitely excited about this rumor though. New sisters followed by an inquision book? Christmas came early this year!
Squidbot wrote: The community person/people responsible for posting this on the FB page is supposed to try and generate excitement for upcoming products. Chances are all they're allowed to work with right now is that image, so yeah, that's what they focus on.
And it IS a cool picture. The text seems like an excited young player drooling over a new 40K image.
None of us has ever done that, right?
As with anything, there are many facets:
1) GW releases nothing and shuts down leaks. People complain.
2) GW releases preview images and tries to create buzz. People complain.
3) GW starts snuffing drifters. People complain.
4) GW cures cancer and gives out free puppies. People complain.
The only constant? Complaints.
No. But forum (internet?) bias.
The majority of people simply enjoy things (quietly).
A vocal minority complaints on the web, and since they are the visible part, they (foolishly) think they represent the majority.
No.
Personal bias?
I doubt many people think they represent the majority.
I think the majority of people think their opinion represents their opinion.
Steve steveson wrote: Shesh... All I was doing was pointing out that there are inexpensive ways to get the digital books. Fine, some people may not want one, but cost is not a reason. £30 for the e-reader and a £5 discount on e-book codex's. I was just putting that up because some people are under the impression that digital versions somehow exclude people, and others will say they are not aloud printed versions at X event or store.
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound rude. I just really don't like the idea of people feeling that they have to go and buy a product unrelated to 40K to use these rules, when there exists good ways of getting said rules into a physical format. It's just something that I feel a bit strongly about.
Rayvon wrote: I am hoping that codex wise, all the digital ones are eventually coming out in physical form, just at a later date.
This very much seems to be what's happening with digital products in general. The previous supplements have steadily been released in hardback, Cruddace said that the SoB digital codex would get a physical release if it sold well (which I think it has). So a physical release for this is a very real possibility.
A super-duper deluxe master collector's edition that includes Codex SM, AS, Inq, GK and IG. That'll be 600$ please. To pay for the leatherette case, you see.
Still no love for the Dark Angels, because screw them.
Made me laugh.
If GW liked the Dark Angels they wouldn't make them wear dresses into battle.
Squidbot wrote: The community person/people responsible for posting this on the FB page is supposed to try and generate excitement for upcoming products. Chances are all they're allowed to work with right now is that image, so yeah, that's what they focus on.
And it IS a cool picture. The text seems like an excited young player drooling over a new 40K image.
None of us has ever done that, right?
As with anything, there are many facets:
1) GW releases nothing and shuts down leaks. People complain.
2) GW releases preview images and tries to create buzz. People complain.
3) GW starts snuffing drifters. People complain.
4) GW cures cancer and gives out free puppies. People complain.
The only constant? Complaints.
Well giving away puppies free or otherwise is pretty irresponsible no matter what way you look at it... Someone think of the puppies.
I am liking what I hear about the inquisition fitting into normal imperial charts.
Maybe they will be able to ride in that armies transports? An inquisitor (with divination ) riding along with some IG vets in a chimera is fluffy and cool.
Happygrunt wrote: I am liking what I hear about the inquisition fitting into normal imperial charts.
Maybe they will be able to ride in that armies transports? An inquisitor (with divination ) riding along with some IG vets in a chimera is fluffy and cool.
Giving IG access to cheap divination and (maybe) servo skulls would be...incredible.
Happygrunt wrote: I am liking what I hear about the inquisition fitting into normal imperial charts.
Maybe they will be able to ride in that armies transports? An inquisitor (with divination ) riding along with some IG vets in a chimera is fluffy and cool.
Giving IG access to cheap divination and (maybe) servo skulls would be...incredible.
Throw in some anti-daemon stuff and we are all set!
pretre wrote: As with anything, there are many facets:
1) GW releases nothing and shuts down leaks. People complain.
2) GW releases preview images and tries to create buzz. People complain.
3) GW starts snuffing drifters. People complain.
4) GW cures cancer and gives out free puppies. People complain.
The only constant? Complaints.
Curing cancer? Okay. Showing pics to create buzz? Now, let's not get crazy!
Anyway, this release is another step for reducing potential customers. More and more rules become English only, now the second full Codex. Also the requirements of non-gaming technical devices and financial ressources grow exponentially. And even now, revenue grows at inflation rate at best. This is not a strategy to grow a business, but to milk the few remaining customers of as much as you can before they also quit.
Kroothawk wrote: Also the requirements of non-gaming technical devices and financial ressources grow exponentially.
You don't need an e-reader. You need a computer. How many gamers don't have a computer and/or a printer?
Also, found another good one from 2000: "I think GW is in more trouble than they let on - having your stock drop by 50% overnight and not recover at all, is a real problem in gross capital. Plus they just bought out their plastics subcontractor, and I'm sure that was expensive.
Make no mistake, they are squeezing Game Shack and others because they are overextended, having trouble in Japan, etc. Watch for Hasbro to make a generous offer in the near future. It could be a case of "the Devil we know" vs. "the Devil we don't know.""
Brother Weasel wrote: Maybe they are only doing digitals in English because we all seam to be the ones that have digital devices
I lol'd.
I really don't get the English only decision. It seems silly but oh well. Maybe they figure most folks who play warhammer can find someone to help them translate it? Are translation services for documents like codexes expensive for a company like GW? I.e. You get some company to translate your Codex: AS into 5 languages and it costs 10k or something?
Could be a lot of reasons why they haven't translated these digital books yet, doesn't mean they never will or that this is how it will be from now on.
pretre wrote: Also, found another good one from 2000:
"I think GW is in more trouble than they let on - having your stock drop by 50% overnight and not recover at all, is a real problem in gross capital. Plus they just bought out their plastics subcontractor, and I'm sure that was expensive.
GW would have been in trouble, if not for Lord of the Rings and DeAgostini's effective TV marketing and introductory material. After the bubble, GW went back to pre-LOTR revenue level (2001) and stayed there. The number of sold boxes should have halved by now.
pretre wrote: I really don't get the English only decision. It seems silly but oh well.
Keep in mind that some time ago, GW disbanded the German translation team in Germany and transferred it back to someone at GWHQ. Requiring all teens in foreign countries to first learn the master race's language (and alphabet in the case of Japan and China) good enough to read and comprehend 200 pages of rules is just out of this world and arrogant.
pretre wrote: Also, found another good one from 2000: "I think GW is in more trouble than they let on - having your stock drop by 50% overnight and not recover at all, is a real problem in gross capital. Plus they just bought out their plastics subcontractor, and I'm sure that was expensive.
GW would have been in trouble, if not for Lord of the Rings and DeAgostini's effective TV marketing and introductory material. After the bubble, GW went back to pre-LOTR revenue level (2001) and stayed there. The number of sold boxes should have halved by now.
I found another one from 2020 referencing this very thread!!!: "GW would have been in trouble, if not for their increased release schedule and cut back in costs by reducing stores and translation costs for codexes. After the revenue slowdown, their sales went back to 2004 levels and continued that way until 2016."
Seriously, we don't know yet. The point isn't that the guy in 2000 was right. It was that he had some very good points about GW's financial stability, just as you do and yet was still wrong about the demise of the company.
pretre wrote: Also, found another good one from 2000:
"I think GW is in more trouble than they let on - having your stock drop by 50% overnight and not recover at all, is a real problem in gross capital. Plus they just bought out their plastics subcontractor, and I'm sure that was expensive.
GW would have been in trouble, if not for Lord of the Rings and DeAgostini's effective TV marketing and introductory material. After the bubble, GW went back to pre-LOTR revenue level (2001) and stayed there. The number of sold boxes should have halved by now.
I found another one from 2020 referencing this very thread!!!:
"GW would have been in trouble, if not for their increased release schedule and cut back in costs by reducing stores and translation costs for codexes. After the revenue slowdown, their sales went back to 2004 levels and continued that way until 2016."
Seriously, we don't know yet. The point isn't that the guy in 2000 was right. It was that he had some very good points about GW's financial stability, just as you do and yet was still wrong about the demise of the company.
edit: Also, label your damn graph.
A quote from 2020? By the Gods, Pretre is a time-travelling Daemon!
Brother Weasel wrote: Maybe they are only doing digitals in English because we all seam to be the ones that have digital devices
I lol'd.
I really don't get the English only decision. It seems silly but oh well. Maybe they figure most folks who play warhammer can find someone to help them translate it? Are translation services for documents like codexes expensive for a company like GW? I.e. You get some company to translate your Codex: AS into 5 languages and it costs 10k or something?
Maybe they will at some point... It's all new to them, are Bl books all translated? maybe they don't have a proper way to (or way they like) to sell them separately yet. If they get and remain popular, i could see them translating them all, and doing short hard copy runs. As much as i feel bad for other languages on translation, i'm just happy they are doing more and more.
Brother Weasel wrote: Maybe they are only doing digitals in English because we all seam to be the ones that have digital devices
I lol'd.
I really don't get the English only decision. It seems silly but oh well. Maybe they figure most folks who play warhammer can find someone to help them translate it? Are translation services for documents like codexes expensive for a company like GW? I.e. You get some company to translate your Codex: AS into 5 languages and it costs 10k or something?
Maybe they will at some point... It's all new to them, are Bl books all translated? maybe they don't have a proper way to (or way they like) to sell them separately yet. If they get and remain popular, i could see them translating them all, and doing short hard copy runs. As much as i feel bad for other languages on translation, i'm just happy they are doing more and more.
BTW if you have a pdf-software to edit the digital Codex for print, can you also easily alter the stats and point costs of the units?
On BL books. A selected few are translated to German and French. ATM though the following books are not available anymore in German, because BL cancelled the licence to the former producers: Eisenhorn and Ravenor triology, first 10 or so HH books including the essential first 4, most gaunt's Ghosts books, most Gotrek&Felix books, basically anything released before 2012.
"via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Codex inquisition still uses your allies slot.
They were written as "battle brother allies" in witch hunters and grey knights before the allies rules were actually implemented an edition later. Now they'll play that way, requiring a troop etc
The difference now though is that the troop choice can be the retinue, full of fun stuff, or the retinue can be an HQ choice without taking a slot so that you can take storm troopers.
It's not a full codex in a sense, you'll find fast attack and heavy support a little light on options.
It's the first of what will be ally intended codexes which as I explained about a year ago can stand alone, but not with the same breadth as other armies.
Also, immediately afterward we'll be seeing the Forgeworld forces of the space marines and inquisition to update all those rules as well. "
Kroothawk wrote: BTW if you have a pdf-software to edit the digital Codex for print, can you also easily alter the stats and point costs of the units?
Not really? At least as far as I know.
A PDF is not like a Word document, where you can just highlight something and hit backspace to edit it out.
Not that it really, really matters, but if a person did want to, likely they could just edit the ePub directly - all they are is a compressed set of html files and some other stuff, meaning that you can open them with something like WinRAR or whatever and change things like that with notepad etc. Editing the PDF would (probably?) be more troublesome.
"via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Codex inquisition still uses your allies slot.
They were written as "battle brother allies" in witch hunters and grey knights before the allies rules were actually implemented an edition later. Now they'll play that way, requiring a troop etc
The difference now though is that the troop choice can be the retinue, full of fun stuff, or the retinue can be an HQ choice without taking a slot so that you can take storm troopers.
It's not a full codex in a sense, you'll find fast attack and heavy support a little light on options.
It's the first of what will be ally intended codexes which as I explained about a year ago can stand alone, but not with the same breadth as other armies.
Also, immediately afterward we'll be seeing the Forgeworld forces of the space marines and inquisition to update all those rules as well. "
Guess we'll have to see who is right. Random dude or the FW rules team. Only time will tell!
Oh, and I think most of us figured it wouldn't be a codex on par with IG, Nids, Orks or such. I expect it to be similar to sisters. 1-3 HQ (not counting Special IC's), 2-3 Elites, 1 Troop, 2-3 FA, and 2-3 Heavy Support. And I more expect 2 than 3 for the most part.
pretre wrote:Yeah, I think that that Natfka rumor is really suspect. He REALLY needs to figure out which of his sources are pulling his leg.
Hulksmash wrote:Yeah, it's not like it's hard to have a special rule in the army that basically says "can also be this slot in an Imperial Army".
Either way, I'm still excited to see what comes out of it.
Agreed on the excitement, will probably be the first purchase I make from GW since 2011. The Black Library news page says it's a "FULL CODEX" I don't think it can get any more explicitly stated than that.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Oh look. pretre is once again being disingenuous about people complaining about GW and trolling Kroothawk. Goody.
If you ever feel that I am being inappropriate in a thread, feel free to use the little yellow triangle with an exclamation point in it. That's what it is for. Cheers!
pretre wrote: It's not a full codex in a sense, you'll find fast attack and heavy support a little light on options.
Just as I thought.
Umm, I didn't say that. Natfka said that when quoting an anonymous source.
wowsmash wrote: Eh was cool tell I saw it was digital only. I don't own a tablet and I'm not buying one just for GW over priced idex. Since I csnt drag my pc along with me and all the local shops have a requirement of a physical codex. No copies allowed then it makes no since to buy it.
You're allowed to print a copy out for personal use. If you want it, it's just a matter of converting it to a PDF, maybe doing a bit of reformatting, and printing it. There, physical copy.
Or just accepting books are going that way. You can get a Kobo e-reader for £30.
Anyway, I am so excited about this. Hopefully this is a sign of the future. Perhaps a stealer cult one, maybe minor races or something else if this goes well. All the stuff we saw months ago as a supposed allies supplement.
Sorry, I think you meant to say "the smallest, cheapest model of Kobo with a teeny wee 5" screen", which is totally just as good as an A4-scale printed book
Listen, I'm the last person to denigrate technology and its advancement, hell if I could I'd end up looking like a tubby Adam Jensen, but I support technological advancement as a good in and of itself because it is supposed to provide a superior alternative. If you want a way to carry hundreds of mass-market paperbacks with you in less space than it would take to carry a single physical one, these wee pocket e-readers are great, but as a platform for large-format reference books they're atrocious - hell, even full-sized tablets are only really useful in such a role because of a combination of extremely tailored formatting and a search function.
Don't pretend this is a "Luddites versus THE FUTURE! and those intelligent enough to grasp it" thing.
Kroothawk wrote: Also the requirements of non-gaming technical devices and financial ressources grow exponentially.
You don't need an e-reader. You need a computer. How many gamers don't have a computer and/or a printer?
Erm, lots of people? My desktop doesn't even have an optical drive any more, I think I've printed off one thing in the last three years(at my previous workplace, since I don't have a printer), documents go via email and it's faster/easier to transfer digital media online or via USB thumbdrive. What you're essentially arguing here is that people should have to use an antiquated but still not awfully cheap technology(home printers) in order to make up for the shortcomings of a new but even more expensive technology, and that anyone who points out the inherent absurdity of this whole "everyone has a tablet/printer/Gutenberg Press in their back pocket these days" routine is being unreasonable.
Digital technology is not yet completely ubiquitous, nor is it fully capable of taking over from printed media. The technology to use digital media at anywhere near the same standard of quality as print media is expensive. It necessarily follows that digital-exclusive releases are exclusionary to some degree, that's not a judgement of whether digital-only is positive or negative, merely a fact. Personally, despite being able to consume digital media at-will myself, I still consider digital-only releases to be regressive bordering on unfair, because once you make something exclusively digital, you're no longer talking about limiting who buys you product based on who can afford that product, but on a much broader scale based on socio-economic class. It's all very well to talk about how "everyone" has a tablet or a smartphone these days, but I know plenty of solid working-class people who save carefully and go without other luxuries in order to spend some of their limited budget on their favourite hobby, and adding the completely unrelated requirements of a PC with internet and printer access or a tablet/e-reader is essentially pricing them out of the game. And for no good reason either, considering how monumentally easy it would be for GW to offer these digital-only products through a print-on-demand service(for barely more than GW charge for a normal codex, I might add), if they weren't so ludicrously insular as a company.
Still, setting that aside, and also setting aside that this used to be the sort of thing that GW would put out in the Dwarf or the Journal -both for under a fiver- or even free on their website; something is better than nothing, I suppose. It could prove very useful for counts-as AdMech especially if, as I suspect, they give the Marine treatment to the new Guard 'dex and limit special characters to certain regiments(and thus taking away Straken, the only truly combat-capable HQ they have). Plus it will be nice to be able to play even an approximation of my old WH/DH armies without being forced into taking GK's.
pretre wrote: You don't need an e-reader. You need a computer. How many gamers don't have a computer and/or a printer?
Erm, lots of people? My desktop doesn't even have an optical drive any more, I think I've printed off one thing in the last three years(at my previous workplace, since I don't have a printer), documents go via email and it's faster/easier to transfer digital media online or via USB thumbdrive. What you're essentially arguing here is that people should have to use an antiquated but still not awfully cheap technology(home printers) in order to make up for the shortcomings of a new but even more expensive technology, and that anyone who points out the inherent absurdity of this whole "everyone has a tablet/printer/Gutenberg Press in their back pocket these days" routine is being unreasonable.
You missed the and/or there. If you have a computer and a thumb drive, you can load it and walk into Kinkos/Office Max, wherever.
considering how monumentally easy it would be for GW to offer these digital-only products through a print-on-demand service(for barely more than GW charge for a normal codex, I might add), if they weren't so ludicrously insular as a company.
That's a really good idea and one that BL already uses so the infrastructure is already there.
So I'll just ask this here, since I don't think that it warrants its own thread. How do FW's Red Hunters work? Do they just let you use the entirety of the Marines codex? Do they have any special rules (chapter tactics aside)?
Its still C:SM, with the added stipulation that if they are red hunters they can ally (as battle brothers) with C:AS as long as they have an inquisitor present, making me think that the inquisitor doesn't actually take up a ally spot.
Bull0 wrote: Pretty cringey text. File that alongside the "Why are you even reading this? Go buy it and come back!" gak from the main store page.
I think it's a tongue-in-cheek comment on 40k style - "Look how cool this guy is!
He could not be more Warhammer 40,000 if he tried: he’s got the sword, he’s got the boltgun, power armour, purity seals, bionics - the whole package. "
Shame he only has one skull really
Two, actually. There's one on the gun. I found it lighter on skulls than usual. And that's a good thing! Also, he looks just like the Inquisitor that comes with FFG's Relic. Yes, I realize GW let FFG make the game. But the similarities are very nice.
HisDivineShadow wrote: How does this make Inquisitors any easier to Ally in then the GKCodex?
If the FW rules for Red Hunters are any indication, they're not allies at all, they just become HQ, or Troops, or whatever in your main Detachment, which means that people can now ally in Inquisitors and retinues without having to take either Coteaz or GK Troops choices. It also means you can combine Inquisition, Guard, and Marines say, in order to replicate the old(and superior IMO) system from C:WH and CH.
HisDivineShadow wrote: How does this make Inquisitors any easier to Ally in then the GKCodex?
If the FW rules for Red Hunters are any indication, they're not allies at all, they just become HQ, or Troops, or whatever in your main Detachment, which means that people can now ally in Inquisitors and retinues without having to take either Coteaz or GK Troops choices. It also means you can combine Inquisition, Guard, and Marines say, in order to replicate the old(and superior IMO) system from C:WH and CH.
HisDivineShadow wrote: How does this make Inquisitors any easier to Ally in then the GKCodex?
Because you don't need Grey Knights. You can actually have an Ordo Hereticus or Ordo Xenos inquisitor without a squad of Ordo Malleus' rare and secret supersoldiers tagging along.
Bull0 wrote: Pretty cringey text. File that alongside the "Why are you even reading this? Go buy it and come back!" gak from the main store page.
I think it's a tongue-in-cheek comment on 40k style - "Look how cool this guy is!
He could not be more Warhammer 40,000 if he tried: he’s got the sword, he’s got the boltgun, power armour, purity seals, bionics - the whole package. "
Shame he only has one skull really
Two, actually. There's one on the gun. I found it lighter on skulls than usual. And that's a good thing! Also, he looks just like the Inquisitor that comes with FFG's Relic. Yes, I realize GW let FFG make the game. But the similarities are very nice.
I imagine with the new emphasis on smaller "DLC" type expansions - and with the amount of additional background and such fleshed out in the FFGRPG books, that Deathwatch could be their own standalone supplement, with tacticals, devastators, techmarines, psykers - the lot.
I imagine with the new emphasis on smaller "DLC" type expansions - and with the amount of additional background and such fleshed out in the FFGRPG books, that Deathwatch could be their own standalone supplement, with tacticals, devastators, techmarines, psykers - the lot.
My friend and I debate this all the time, but I fully believe that deathwatch can be (almost) perfectly represented with the marine codex as-is. Sternguard or Vanguard are basically elite kill teams. Pedro makes Sternguard scoring and gives you preferred enemy (orks). You don't often hear about Deathwatch deploying in force, so pedro+sternguard+stormraven and a sniper scout squad gives a pretty good allied Deathwatch detachment for your Inquisition army. It's really not a bad stopgap.
But yeah I could see a Deathwatch supplement in the future. Preferred enemy (xenos), some good anti-monster Relics, scouts with battle brother stat-lines, and access to special issue ammo for all bolter weapons would do the trick in my opinion.
This smells like an update for the inquisition stuff that was in the 3rd edition witch hunters book. And another digital only release for the inquisition? This really screams to me that when the grey knights are up for release we might actually get print versions of this and the sisters of battle in the form of a combined inquisition codex. I'll sign for that. Maybe they can actually throw out those plastic sisters that have suppossedly been done for ages now for that codex release then. I mean there isnt much plastic that could go with a new GK codex unless we get a bunch of new units. but if sisters are in the new book that would make a lot of sense. And give a reason why a codex would be digital only... for now!
Azazelx wrote: I imagine with the new emphasis on smaller "DLC" type expansions - and with the amount of additional background and such fleshed out in the FFGRPG books, that Deathwatch could be their own standalone supplement, with tacticals, devastators, techmarines, psykers - the lot.
Oh, you mean C:SM?
It could happen as you say, but I will be incredibly saddened if there are no Sternguard style Marines occupying an Elite slot in the upcoming =][= codex.
As a side note, how is this going to interact with the Grey Knights codex? Will you no longer be able to take the Inquisitors and their Retinues in there? Or are these going to just be DIFFERENT Inquisitors?
As a side note, how is this going to interact with the Grey Knights codex? Will you no longer be able to take the Inquisitors and their Retinues in there? Or are these going to just be DIFFERENT Inquisitors?
According to replies by GW digital edition, Codex =][= will not affect Grey Knights, but it will "just" let us use Inquisition forces into any imperial army; and there will be no new models (yet?). So what I get is: GK codex stays the same, but you can use inquisitors and their forces, maybe reorganized, with IG, SM (any loyalist), AS... and still with GK themselves.
Azazelx wrote: I imagine with the new emphasis on smaller "DLC" type expansions - and with the amount of additional background and such fleshed out in the FFGRPG books, that Deathwatch could be their own standalone supplement, with tacticals, devastators, techmarines, psykers - the lot.
Oh, you mean C:SM?
It could happen as you say, but I will be incredibly saddened if there are no Sternguard style Marines occupying an Elite slot in the upcoming =][= codex.
Why, when for Deathwatch you just add the Inquisitor and some henchmen to a Marine army made up heavily of Sternguard. Deathwatch are primarily a variant chapter of marines, with additional wargear.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Why, when for Deathwatch you just add the Inquisitor and some henchmen to a Marine army made up heavily of Sternguard. Deathwatch are primarily a variant chapter of marines, with additional wargear.
So that you can run a Guard army with =][= support including said Deathwatch Marines?
According to replies by GW digital edition, Codex =][= will not affect Grey Knights, but it will "just" let us use Inquisition forces into any imperial army; and there will be no new models (yet?). So what I get is: GK codex stays the same, but you can use inquisitors and their forces, maybe reorganized, with IG, SM (any loyalist), AS... and still with GK themselves.
I'm looking forward to the next GK codex, as it is most likely that it will not include Inquisitors any longer. Not that I do not like having Inquisitors in the codex, but with an Inquisition supplement it stands as an opportunity to remove Inquisitors from the book and add more GK units in their place.
It does make me wonder what will happen with Wolves and Blood Angels. Will they turn be independant Imperium Codexes or are they joining the Black Templars as an add on to Space Marines. Right now I say they will stay Independant, but I could see GW making a mint off of having 1 SM codex and then a supplement aimed at each of the most famous chapters.
I'd venture to guess that SW and BA will continue on with stand-alone codexes, since they were not included in the new SM codex.
pretre wrote: BA at least just got a digital update which supports that idea.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I won't be surprised if SW get a digiupdate soon.
Did the BA actually get an 'update'? I was under the impression that it was just a digital version of the current dex with no amendments? I'm sure I read a comment somewhere on how it's the same as they didn't want to invalidate the existing dex (which is still widely available) - unlike the situation with Sister where it was impossible to get a dex officially ptior to the digital release. I don't really understand why they released the BA dex digitally if I'm honest.
So 6th edition has 2 product lines?
A general publications one, available everywhere and digital 'codices' and 'updates' to download for some?
We know of:
- Sisters of Battle, returned as digitial Adepta Sororita "Full" codex
- Inquisition may show up again as digi-dex.
- Blood Angels may gain an digital 'update'.
- none of those seem to have a model release alongside....
- Tyranids, IG, Orks have rumor threads and are unlikely to be limited to digital; I'd guess standard release plus Models.
- GW loves DLC now.
Maybe their aim has shifted? No more focusing on Minis? Make money from DLC and recycled material plus hobby content delivered by fans? Go for regions, like the video game industry did?
Would enjoy new products. But the rumor mill is filled with: "play our existinggames with our existing minis differently and pay for it" , "did we tell you about 3rd company of chapter xyz?", " buy the same content we gave you in the good old days in printed books, but this time piecemeal as DLC" etc etc...
Really Sad.
Codex BA isn't getting an update. All they are doing is putting in the current errata from their FAQ and/or the rulebook. It's the exact same codex otherwise. Just like all the other books they've released in Digital being the same as the released codex.
1hadhq wrote: So 6th edition has 2 product lines?
A general publications one, available everywhere and digital 'codices' and 'updates' to download for some?
Available to everyone, just not in every language.
- Inquisition may show up again as digi-dex.
- Blood Angels may gain an digital 'update'.
These have both been confirmed.
Maybe their aim has shifted? No more focusing on Minis? Make money from DLC and recycled material plus hobby content delivered by fans? Go for regions, like the video game industry did?
Except they are still putting out tons of minis. They just figured out that they can release supplements as well and make money off them. In fact, they are putting out more minis than they did before, I would bet.
Would enjoy new products. But the rumor mill is filled with: "play our existinggames with our existing minis differently and pay for it" , "did we tell you about 3rd company of chapter xyz?", " buy the same content we gave you in the good old days in printed books, but this time piecemeal as DLC" etc etc...Really Sad.
Supplements are getting hardcopies. GW Digital said digidexes may get hardcopies if they sell well enough.
1hadhq wrote: So 6th edition has 2 product lines?
A general publications one, available everywhere and digital 'codices' and 'updates' to download for some?
Available to everyone, just not in every language.
Everywhere and everyone is the same thing?
Am pretty sure you don't get digital publications in a brick and mortar store. Excludes the FLGS from these releases.
As I said, the product line is split.
Consider the fact they supply the Apoc material and BL in multiple languages.
Compare this to additional material like supplements and digi-dexes they limit to a single one and zero minis to support those releases.
I am still favoring the ancient method of nice new minis and books which I may fork over good money to whoever offers the best services.
If I wanted bits and bytes I'd buy computer games.
So back on Topic: when will they support any digitial release with minis?
Inquisitional Stormtroopers for example could have fit nicely... oh wait its not available in their stores and thus their employees can't offer those to us.
Too bad. No minis = no money.
1hadhq wrote: So 6th edition has 2 product lines?
A general publications one, available everywhere and digital 'codices' and 'updates' to download for some?
Available to everyone, just not in every language.
Everywhere and everyone is the same thing?
Am pretty sure you don't get digital publications in a brick and mortar store. Excludes the FLGS from these releases.
As I said, the product line is split.
Consider the fact they supply the Apoc material and BL in multiple languages.
Compare this to additional material like supplements and digi-dexes they limit to a single one and zero minis to support those releases.
I am still favoring the ancient method of nice new minis and books which I may fork over good money to whoever offers the best services.
If I wanted bits and bytes I'd buy computer games.
So back on Topic: when will they support any digitial release with minis?
Inquisitional Stormtroopers for example could have fit nicely... oh wait its not available in their stores and thus their employees can't offer those to us.
Too bad. No minis = no money.
My FLGS has wifi so I can buy a digital codex while I'm there.
1hadhq wrote: Everywhere and everyone is the same thing?
Am pretty sure you don't get digital publications in a brick and mortar store. Excludes the FLGS from these releases.
You also don't get the entire line of direct-only products at a FLGS. So I guess we have three product lines: Stuff available in FLGS, Direct-Only and Digital.
I am still favoring the ancient method of nice new minis and books which I may fork over good money to whoever offers the best services.
They still do that, or have you missed the army release a month schedule?
If I wanted bits and bytes I'd buy computer games.
So don't buy them. These are IN ADDITION to their existing lines. No sweat if you don't want it.
I love the Deathwatch, and have all of the FFG stuff...and I already have a Deathwatch army.
Use Codex: Blood Angels. Two Assault Squads as Troops. They are Kill-teams armed for assault. Two Sternguard Squads as Elites. They are normal Kill-teams. Librarian with Jump Pack as an HQ. Sanguinary Priest with Jump Pack for flavor.
Everyone is magnitized, so I can represent 12 different Chapters in every role.
I added two Razorbacks, and I have 1,000 points of Deathwatch.
It actually says in the fluff that a particular threat may require more than one Kill-team to deal with.
So, even though I WANT the Deathwatch to be in the new Codex, it is not impossible to represent them on the table. They do well, but MSU units can be destroyed if not played well...
With all this speculation about the Inquisition, do you think this will affect the Grey Knights much? I'm looking to get into Grey Knights but I'm a little unsure now..
dalloskid wrote: With all this speculation about the Inquisition, do you think this will affect the Grey Knights much? I'm looking to get into Grey Knights but I'm a little unsure now..
Anyone able to give me advice either way?
According to GW: Digital Editions this basically doesn't effect the Grey Knights codex.
1hadhq wrote: Everywhere and everyone is the same thing?
Am pretty sure you don't get digital publications in a brick and mortar store. Excludes the FLGS from these releases.
You also don't get the entire line of direct-only products at a FLGS. So I guess we have three product lines: Stuff available in FLGS, Direct-Only and Digital.
Now we are getting closer to the point: Less sales through FLGS is GW's idea of more profit.
dalloskid wrote: With all this speculation about the Inquisition, do you think this will affect the Grey Knights much? I'm looking to get into Grey Knights but I'm a little unsure now..
Anyone able to give me advice either way?
According to GW: Digital Editions this basically doesn't effect the Grey Knights codex.
Keep in mind that GW Digital Editions just skrewed all people that bought the WD Codex Sororitas just two year ago.
1hadhq wrote: Everywhere and everyone is the same thing?
Am pretty sure you don't get digital publications in a brick and mortar store. Excludes the FLGS from these releases.
You also don't get the entire line of direct-only products at a FLGS. So I guess we have three product lines: Stuff available in FLGS, Direct-Only and Digital.
Now we are getting closer to the point: Less sales through FLGS is GW's idea of more profit.
Not to nit-pick, but that's exactly what it is. We might not agree with that idea, but it is pretty simple:
Sale through FLGS = Retail Price of Item - Discount for FLGS Sale through GW direct = Retail Price of Item
By definition, that's more profit for GW.
Of course, there are other things involved but more money for the same item, that's everyone's idea of more profit.
What I would REALLY like is for there to be other units in the Codex, rather than just an Inquisitor and their retinue. I own 40 Adeptus Arbites miniatures. I was able to use them in the old Witchhunters codex, but now I have to use Veteran Guardsmen...which means that I cannot use the Riot Shield and Shock Maul guys, or Inquisitorial Henchmen...but that is still not accurate, and I have to take Coteaz...there is no such thing as a Psi-marshall in Artificer Armor...with a Deamon Hammer...
Come on GW...throw us a bone! Let us take Inquisitorial Storm Troopers and Arbites again! Please!!!
CaptainLoken wrote: What I would REALLY like is for there to be other units in the Codex, rather than just an Inquisitor and their retinue. I own 40 Adeptus Arbites miniatures. I was able to use them in the old Witchhunters codex, but now I have to use Veteran Guardsmen...which means that I cannot use the Riot Shield and Shock Maul guys, or Inquisitorial Henchmen...but that is still not accurate, and I have to take Coteaz...there is no such thing as a Psi-marshall in Artificer Armor...with a Deamon Hammer...
Come on GW...throw us a bone! Let us take Inquisitorial Storm Troopers and Arbites again! Please!!!
Arbites weren't technically even in the Witchhunters book (ISTs with Shotguns note at the bottom is about it) and there was certainly no unit for Riot Shield/Shock Maul.
Nowadays, you can use henchmen squads to do mixed Arbites using C:GK (Crusaders for Shockmaul/Shield, Arco-flagellants for attack dogs, Warriors for standard dudes in Carapace). I imagine you'll be able to do much the same with Codex: Inquisition. At least now though, you won't have to take Coteaz.
pretre wrote: Not to nit-pick, but that's exactly what it is. We might not agree with that idea, but it is pretty simple:
Sale through FLGS = Retail Price of Item - Discount for FLGS Sale through GW direct = Retail Price of Item
By definition, that's more profit for GW.
Of course, there are other things involved but more money for the same item, that's everyone's idea of more profit.
May I remind you of the White Wolf story:
White Wolf was famous for doing the Vampire The Masquerade roleplay game, with rules also supporting a huge Live Action RPG community. They then revised the background so that the LARP community wasn't supported anymore. They then had the gloriuos idea that they could make even more profit by stopping sales through FLGS and make every book a digital download (with optional print on demand version). Noone has ever heard from this company and the game again, even while the website is still alive.
GW might profit from the 40k scene not dying quick enough without support, but it will. First in non-Englsh speaking countries of course.
Total profit is profit per product times products sold. GW sells less products every year for 8 years. They are now in a state where doubling prices just keeps revenue flat. That strategy killed Hobbit sales from the start: Double profit marge but still no profit. Limited Edition starter box still available after 11 months.
Kroothawk wrote: Keep in mind that GW Digital Editions just skrewed all people that bought the WD Codex Sororitas just two year ago.
Do you mean the WD Codex: Sisters of Battle that was OOP for 2 years? How is that mean we got screwed?
Also don't blame Digital Editions, they're just the face that handles the issues and sells them, it's GW who makes the things they sell.
EDIT: Where was the price doubling this year Kroot? And why aren't we considering the price increases have to do with demand exceeding supply thus leading to the increase to control supply because they can't just wave a wand and increase production?
It's like we're trying to ignore other possibilities to vilify a company again.
Kroothawk wrote: May I remind you of the White Wolf story: White Wolf was famous for doing the Vampire The Masquerade roleplay game, with rules also supporting a huge Live Action RPG community. They then revised the background so that the LARP community wasn't supported anymore. They then had the gloriuos idea that they could make even more profit by stopping sales through FLGS and make every book a digital download (with optional print on demand version). Noone has ever heard from this company and the game again, even while the website is still alive.
As I said, there's some differences, but, by definition, they make more profit selling directly than indirectly. They also have higher overhead, etc so on.
White Wolf is a completely different beast and doesn't have retail stores, a distribution chain, etc. (Also, White Wolf is part of CCP right now so is probably focusing on their MMO.)
ClockworkZion wrote:Where was the price doubling this year Kroot?
All Hobbit boxes cost double than comparable existing LOTR ones.
All Codices and armybooks cost double than their previous edition at release.
All Elite boxes make Goldswords look cheap.
All new flyers now cost double DE flyer price, for the same number of sprues.
All collossal walkers cost 30% more than the one from last month.
Single plastic Space Marine for 30$ (Librarian).
pretre wrote:Yeah, we totally got screwed by getting an army update with new rules, fluff, artwork, etc.
Those bastards!
... and all those new miniatures ... wait!
BTW you can't fool me: I have seen the digital Codex: Pretending that it includes new background is an insult to all veteran players.
ClockworkZion wrote:Where was the price doubling this year Kroot?
All Hobbit boxes cost double than comparable existing LOTR ones. All Codices and armybooks cost double than their previous edition at release.
That's not 'doubling this year' that's doubling since the last release which was, wait for it, not last year.
All Elite boxes make Goldswords look cheap. All collossal walkers cost 30% more than the one from last month. Single plastic Space Marine for 30$ (Librarian).
Which of these are double?
All new flyers now cost double DE flyer price, for the same number of sprues.
So the DE flyer is twice what it cost before? Oh wait, no different models are twice what the DE flyer cost. So where is the price doubling again?
... and all those new miniatures ... wait!
Move goalposts much?
BTW you can't fool me: I have seen the digital Codex: Pretending that it includes new background is an insult to all veteran players.
Or the truth, either way.
Also, shouldn't you be managing your sanctioned GW complaint thread rather than trolling us?
The codex is primarily designed to be included as allies, but you will be able to take a primary detachment if you like.
there aren't any Space Marines in the book, so no Deathwatch (but we've certainly got our eye on them for their own digital something in the future).
The codex is primarily designed to be included as allies, but you will be able to take a primary detachment if you like.
there aren't any Space Marines in the book, so no Deathwatch (but we've certainly got our eye on them for their own digital something in the future).
- Eddie
Lots of relevant info here guys!
This goes completely against the "Sisters/Inquisition/Red Hunters" info we were going on earlier.
The codex is primarily designed to be included as allies, but you will be able to take a primary detachment if you like.
there aren't any Space Marines in the book, so no Deathwatch (but we've certainly got our eye on them for their own digital something in the future).
- Eddie
Lots of relevant info here guys!
This goes completely against the "Sisters/Inquisition/Red Hunters" info we were going on earlier.
Well against what we're expecting them to do. It still doesn't mean there can't be other rules in there we don't know about yet. Either way I remain hopeful that this will be something interesting that pairs well with my Sisters.
Kroothawk wrote: May I remind you of the White Wolf story:
White Wolf was famous for doing the Vampire The Masquerade roleplay game, with rules also supporting a huge Live Action RPG community. They then revised the background so that the LARP community wasn't supported anymore. They then had the gloriuos idea that they could make even more profit by stopping sales through FLGS and make every book a digital download (with optional print on demand version). Noone has ever heard from this company and the game again, even while the website is still alive..
Sorry, friend, but this is rubbish. Does the name Exalted ring any bells? Vampire: The Requiem? Hunter: The Vigil? No? Anyone? Bueller? White Wolf still publishes games, contrary to your fantasy.
Kroothawk wrote: May I remind you of the White Wolf story:
White Wolf was famous for doing the Vampire The Masquerade roleplay game, with rules also supporting a huge Live Action RPG community. They then revised the background so that the LARP community wasn't supported anymore. They then had the gloriuos idea that they could make even more profit by stopping sales through FLGS and make every book a digital download (with optional print on demand version). Noone has ever heard from this company and the game again, even while the website is still alive..
Sorry, friend, but this is rubbish. Does the name Exalted ring any bells? Vampire: The Requiem? Hunter: The Vigil? No? Anyone? Bueller? White Wolf still publishes games, contrary to your fantasy.
And oddly enough, sales actually grew with the Digital Download system and it allowed them to easily produce and update rules as a result. They even managed to revive the Vampire the Masquerade series after going on so long with the New World of Darkness thanks to the money they both saved from printing costs and with all the new fans they've gained as a result.
In 2011, White Wolf announced a 20th anniversary edition of Vampire: The Masquerade, and started making Old World of Darkness gamebooks available via print on demand. At that year's Gen Con, they announced they would now be releasing new books for both old and new Worlds of Darkness with the Onyx Path imprint. In late 2011 they began development of the 20th anniversary edition of Werewolf: The Apocalypse.
I have no clue what fantasy he's under though to think they are dead, they are even working on the next edition of Exalted right now.
In 2012, Rich Thomas, White Wolf's Creative Director, announced he'd created a new company, Onyx Path Publishing, which had licensed the old World of Darkness, the new World of Darkness, and Exalted from WW/CCP, bought Scion and Trinity Universe from them outright, and was planning to publish their own games.
ZebioLizard2 wrote: I have no clue what fantasy he's under though to think they are dead, they are even working on the next edition of Exalted right now.
ZebioLizard2 wrote: I have no clue what fantasy he's under though to think they are dead, they are even working on the next edition of Exalted right now.
1hadhq wrote: Everywhere and everyone is the same thing?
Am pretty sure you don't get digital publications in a brick and mortar store. Excludes the FLGS from these releases.
You also don't get the entire line of direct-only products at a FLGS. So I guess we have three product lines: Stuff available in FLGS, Direct-Only and Digital.
Now we are getting closer to the point: Less sales through FLGS is GW's idea of more profit.
How dare games workshop do the same thing as every other publishing house in the world in offering digital only books! I mean it's almost like they are embracing the future of publishing, but this can't be the case as GW are the evils and hate technology and refuse to change.
And I hardly call updating a two year old WD codex as screwing people over. If it was a reprint of the WD codex you would be complaining about them not updating anything.
Seriously, the blind anger at everything GW do is getting old. There is stuff to criticism, but not everything. Look at the GW digital FB page this came from. They are talking to customers. They are giving previews. Stuff is changing, but some people are just to angry to see it.
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Troike wrote: How would one take them as a primary detachment, I wonder? I'm guessing that retinue units can be troops and such?
I suspect they will be mostly HQ with options to use subbed in to other codexes, possibly with some troops to fill the troops slot on an allies to give you access to some tasty SM/GK/SoB/Guard elites fast attack or heavy options as allies. I suspect we are going to see something that has some options in it but works more like a supplement than a main codex.
The codex is primarily designed to be included as allies, but you will be able to take a primary detachment if you like.
there aren't any Space Marines in the book, so no Deathwatch (but we've certainly got our eye on them for their own digital something in the future).
- Eddie
Lots of relevant info here guys!
This goes completely against the "Sisters/Inquisition/Red Hunters" info we were going on earlier.
As long as they don't explicitly say there is not an option to replace a HQ choice with/ add an Inquisitor to one of the aforementioned armies, it doesn't change anything... All it says is that they are primarily designed to be allies, which is what at least I expected.
The codex is primarily designed to be included as allies, but you will be able to take a primary detachment if you like.
there aren't any Space Marines in the book, so no Deathwatch (but we've certainly got our eye on them for their own digital something in the future).
- Eddie
Lots of relevant info here guys!
This goes completely against the "Sisters/Inquisition/Red Hunters" info we were going on earlier.
As long as they don't explicitly say there is not an option to replace a HQ choice with/ add an Inquisitor to one of the aforementioned armies, it doesn't change anything... All it says is that they are primarily designed to be allies, which is what at least I expected.
Yes, but the point of the Red Hunter rule was that it implied you could ally Sisters to Marines as Battle Brothers is one force had an Inquisitor in it, but if the Inquisition stuff uses the normal Allies rules then that makes no sense since you can only ally two forces together not three.
Cortez667 wrote: I think we'll be seeing Inquisitors as the HQ choices for a lot of Imperial Armies, as they won't take up the Allies slot to get access to them.
OR Inquisitor will be able to take Sisters of Battle squad as troops in their Inquisition detachment.
Why have Sisters as troops in the Inquisition codex when the Inquisition codex is meant to ally to the Sisters, and can ally them in anyway? Seems a bit redundant.
I'm guessing that the troops will just be retinue members. Basically Corteaz's ability army-wide. Maybe Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, since all of the Ordos have those, IIRC.
The codex is primarily designed to be included as allies, but you will be able to take a primary detachment if you like.
there aren't any Space Marines in the book, so no Deathwatch (but we've certainly got our eye on them for their own digital something in the future).
- Eddie
Lots of relevant info here guys!
This goes completely against the "Sisters/Inquisition/Red Hunters" info we were going on earlier.
As long as they don't explicitly say there is not an option to replace a HQ choice with/ add an Inquisitor to one of the aforementioned armies, it doesn't change anything... All it says is that they are primarily designed to be allies, which is what at least I expected.
Yes, but the point of the Red Hunter rule was that it implied you could ally Sisters to Marines as Battle Brothers is one force had an Inquisitor in it, but if the Inquisition stuff uses the normal Allies rules then that makes no sense since you can only ally two forces together not three.
No, these are three separate but compatible notions:
1. An Inquisition army can be fielded as a main contingent (but since the unit choices are few, this is not to recommend)
2. An Inquisitor can be chosen as a HQ choice in any Imperial army, replacing a HQ slot in the main contingent
3. An Inquisition army can be fielded as an allied contingent
GW staff has said that the new codex is primarily designed for role number 3, but can also fulfil number 1. But unless they directly deny option 2 - which is very much alluded to by the SoB and Red Hunters rules - we cannot exclude it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The likely unit choices will probably be:
HQ: Inquisitors of the various Ordos
Elites: Assassins
Troops: ISTs and Henchmen
Fast Attack: Inquisitorial Valkyries
Heavy Support: Orbital Strike, maybe but unlikely an Inquisitorial Land Raider
Dedicated transports: Inquisitorial Chimeras and maybe but unlikely Inquisitorial Rhinos
If the codex features anything else, I would be surprised. On the other hand, I fully expect to see new interesting Warlord Traits and new wargear, possibly even quite a few changes to the Henchmen unit.
