xruslanx wrote: It is also digital only so it seems that it isn't taking away any resources from actual codexes.
The real issue with digital codecies is that they are only sold to a small part of the community. I don't own an apple tablet and barring one magically appearing in my hands for free I don't ever intend to. So until they start selling their digital products through Goggle's mobile store it is irritating in the least, because I would definitely buy this book. if I actually had access to it.
Skriker
This is becoming one of the single most annoying misconceptions about GW. They have made it incredibly clear between the digital Facebook page and Black Library, as well as in the descriptions of the products that they are available on a multitude of formats. It is only the enhance versions that is iPad exclusive, which is fine, since you pay a big fat premium on top of the standard price.
Wait....$10USD is a premium?
Is it $10USD more than the standard issue? Yes, then it us a premium, I never said how great a premium it was, but it is still a premium.
It's only $10 more than the BL version, but is the same cost as normal books. I don't see that as a premium, I see the BL one as a discount.
Eldercaveman wrote: And the fact this comes up about 20 times in every digital thread, and gets clarified in every single thread, it can become very tiring. My rant wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. Nor should it be taken that way, more at the general misconception. Happening, over and over and over... But meh, I'm tired maybe I'm just getting ratty.
There. I added it to my sig. Draigo's Law was getting tired anyways.
You should have had Kid Kyoto make a little graphic out of it. That would be hilarious.
Eldercaveman wrote: And the fact this comes up about 20 times in every digital thread, and gets clarified in every single thread, it can become very tiring. My rant wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. Nor should it be taken that way, more at the general misconception. Happening, over and over and over... But meh, I'm tired maybe I'm just getting ratty.
There. I added it to my sig. Draigo's Law was getting tired anyways.
I think every thread about digital products needs to put it in the title.
Eldercaveman wrote: And the fact this comes up about 20 times in every digital thread, and gets clarified in every single thread, it can become very tiring. My rant wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. Nor should it be taken that way, more at the general misconception. Happening, over and over and over... But meh, I'm tired maybe I'm just getting ratty.
There. I added it to my sig. Draigo's Law was getting tired anyways.
I think every thread about digital products needs to put it in the title.
I know when I do my review of the Inquisition codex here in a couple of days I'm covering that in paragraph 1 just to get it out of the way.
Eldercaveman wrote: And the fact this comes up about 20 times in every digital thread, and gets clarified in every single thread, it can become very tiring. My rant wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. Nor should it be taken that way, more at the general misconception. Happening, over and over and over... But meh, I'm tired maybe I'm just getting ratty.
You and me both on the tired and ratty side of things...let's just move on then. We seem to have hit a sudden busy cycle in our fire calls with way too many late night calls and 2 working fires in the last 3 days, so feeling a bit sleep deprived on this end of the conversation...
I generally don't spend much time in the digital edition threads due to not knowing they had finally expanded to other formats, so never saw those notices either. Being a big fan of the earlier mostly failed "hunters" codecies I jumped into this one to check things out. Checked my latest white dwarf mags and in October they started adding in an "ebook" section to the Digital downloads part of the mag, but the big obvious wording and text is still about apple, ipads and the iBook store so I just never noticed and kept moving on as before. As I said in one of my follow ups I am happier knowing this now.
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ClockworkZion wrote: It's only $10 more than the BL version, but is the same cost as normal books. I don't see that as a premium, I see the BL one as a discount.
I generally find the pricing schema behind ebooks in general to be rather crazy. Same price as the actual book which needs to be printed, stored, and have a shipping infrastructure available to get it to the customer when all the customer has to do is click to buy and download. Would really like to see better pricing. The fact that GW has the "non-enhanced" versions for less than book shelf price is actually rather bizzare within the context of GW's normal approach to pricing. Still not sure a $10 discount is enough to make me buy all the books like I did in previous editions, though. Have to think on that...
I haven't pre-ordered it yet, but I think I'm going to.
I have.
For anyone who is on the fence about it, I'll be posting a review up as quickly as I can after it goes live. I'll then link it here so people can read it an get an idea of if they want/need the book or not.
I haven't pre-ordered it yet, but I think I'm going to.
I have.
For anyone who is on the fence about it, I'll be posting a review up as quickly as I can after it goes live. I'll then link it here so people can read it an get an idea of if they want/need the book or not.
Thank you Zion, Im really on the fence about this. I'll need that extra bump in order for me to consider buying it.
I sold some stuff last night, so broke and pre-ordered.
Funny story, if you buy multiples of the codex it is only 15.99. Almost bought two. lol
edit: Since it came up last time, here's the T&CS
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(jointly, "the parties")
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1.2 to access the e-book using an appropriate electronic device and/or through any appropriate storage media; and
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1.2 to access the e-book using an appropriate electronic device and/or through any appropriate storage media; and
1.3 to print one (1) hard copy of the e-book for your personal use only. If you accidentally destroy or damage this hard copy, you shall be entitled to create a further copy provided that you destroy any remaining elements of the previous copy.
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By downloading an e-book, you agree for the purposes of the Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations 2000 that Black Library may commence the service (of provision of the e-book to you) prior to your ordinary cancellation period coming to an end, and that by purchasing an e-book, your cancellation rights shall end immediately upon receipt of the e-book.
You acknowledge that all copyright, trademark and other intellectual property rights in the e-book are, shall remain, the sole property of Black Library.
On termination of this license, howsoever effected, you shall immediately and permanently delete all copies of the e-book from your computers and storage media, and shall destroy all hard copies of the e-book which you have derived from the e-book.
Black Library shall be entitled to amend these terms and conditions from time to time by written notice to you.
These terms and conditions shall be governed by English law, and shall be subject only to the jurisdiction of the Courts in England and Wales.
If any part of this license is illegal, or becomes illegal as a result of any change in the law, then that part shall be deleted, and replaced with wording that is as close to the original meaning as possible without being illegal. Any failure by Black Library to exercise its rights under this license for whatever reason shall not be in any way deemed to be a waiver of its rights, and in particular, Black Library reserves the right at all times to terminate this license in the event that you breach clause 2 or clause 3.
You know, after I read the full terms and service agreement, I find it laughable. How do they expect to enforce a person only printing out one copy? If you break their conditions you must terminate your hard copy? They gonna go to everyone's house and check the bookshelf? Telling them torrents are illegal makes sense. That can technically be monitored. Sharing with friends can somewhat be monitored at a store. Making yourself two copies? Ridiculous. And I'd say that about any company. A better clause would probably be around the lines of "we realize we can't enforce 1 hard copy limits on all of our customers, but for each copy we sell, it improves our abilities to continue paying the team that makes digital codexes possible. Please support them in their hard work." Or maybe I'm just nuts. I'm actually considering grabbing this, since it looks like I can use it just on my laptop and possibly my kindle (I have an older black and white that still has ads on it). I'm jut mocking their terms and services. Again, I'd mock anyone who put those particular unenforceable demands together.
1.3 to print one (1) hard copy of the e-book for your personal use only. If you accidentally destroy or damage this hard copy, you shall be entitled to create a further copy provided that you obliterate any remaining elements of the previous copy.
Wow. That's pretty strong - so shredding wouldn't be enough
timetowaste85 wrote: You know, after I read the full terms and service agreement, I find it laughable. How do they expect to enforce a person only printing out one copy? If you break their conditions you must terminate your hard copy? They gonna go to everyone's house and check the bookshelf? Telling them torrents are illegal makes sense. That can technically be monitored. Sharing with friends can somewhat be monitored at a store. Making yourself two copies? Ridiculous. And I'd say that about any company. A better clause would probably be around the lines of "we realize we can't enforce 1 hard copy limits on all of our customers, but for each copy we sell, it improves our abilities to continue paying the team that makes digital codexes possible. Please support them in their hard work." Or maybe I'm just nuts. I'm actually considering grabbing this, since it looks like I can use it just on my laptop and possibly my kindle (I have an older black and white that still has ads on it). I'm jut mocking their terms and services. Again, I'd mock anyone who put those particular unenforceable demands together.
It is not like they are going to enforce this house by house. However, this gives them standing should they catch you mass producing them.
Super Newb wrote: *facepalm.* How many times are people going to make the same comment about pre-ordering. Let it go already.
As long as there is no bonuses or pre-install , i agree with hbmc on preordering digital. See no reason for it
no reason NOT to pre order it. (if you are going to buy it day one anyways)
Oh there can be lots of reason "not" to pre-order sth although they are incredibly off topic. I personally am not going to pre-order it at least until i see what i actually will buy. If not for GW digital i would be still wondering if it was like iyanden supplement with only 2 pages of rules and other stuff.
pizzaguardian wrote: Oh there can be lots of reason "not" to pre-order sth although they are incredibly off topic. I personally am not going to pre-order it at least until i see what i actually will buy. If not for GW digital i would be still wondering if it was like iyanden supplement with only 2 pages of rules and other stuff.
Seeing as this is potentially my only other Battle Brother ally choice for my Sisters I was getting the book regardless. I'm just turning it into a potential plus because I can then use it to give a good review/overview for other so they can see if they want the book or not for themselves.
no reason NOT to pre order it. (if you are going to buy it day one anyways)
Oh there can be lots of reason "not" to pre-order sth although they are incredibly off topic. I personally am not going to pre-order it at least until i see what i actually will buy. If not for GW digital i would be still wondering if it was like iyanden supplement with only 2 pages of rules and other stuff.
you will note that I stated if you are going to buy it anyways...
yup, eldar + INQ sounds like it will be reality, you can "begrudingly" feild them with xenos, so im pretty sure everyone but the REAL bad guys like chaos/nids will have at least some acess
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1.3 to print one (1) hard copy of the e-book for your personal use only. If you accidentally destroy or damage this hard copy, you shall be entitled to create a further copy provided that you obliterate any remaining elements of the previous copy.
Wow. That's pretty strong - so shredding wouldn't be enough
And if you fail to obliterate it in one turn, you need to use a different weapon on your second try.
1.3 to print one (1) hard copy of the e-book for your personal use only. If you accidentally destroy or damage this hard copy, you shall be entitled to create a further copy provided that you obliterate any remaining elements of the previous copy.
Wow. That's pretty strong - so shredding wouldn't be enough
And if you fail to obliterate it in one turn, you need to use a different weapon on your second try.
At least they didn't say to decimate it. Reducing your copy by 1/10 doesn't really solve anything.
Eldercaveman wrote: And the fact this comes up about 20 times in every digital thread, and gets clarified in every single thread, it can become very tiring. My rant wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. Nor should it be taken that way, more at the general misconception. Happening, over and over and over... But meh, I'm tired maybe I'm just getting ratty.
There. I added it to my sig. Draigo's Law was getting tired anyways.
You should have had Kid Kyoto make a little graphic out of it. That would be hilarious.
Nice Kid. The starry background creates a little bit of visual noise that distracts from the text being as legible as possible, but that got a chuckle out of me just the same.
The inquisitor lord, standing in the middle of the bridge, told the tired and hungry guardsman,
"You must answer me these questions three if you wish to cross!"
The guardsman accepted, knowing if he were to refuse the inquisitor would kill him outright. The legendary tools of the inquisitors were known to all, fear and surprise being only a couple.
"What... is your name?"
"Henry, sir." said the Guardsman.
"What... is your quest?"
"To find the- I mean serve the emperor sir."
"What... is your favorite color?"
"Blue- no Green!"
The guardsmen was suddenly sprung into the air and fell into a fiery pit, cursing Matt Ward with his final desperate words.
The only reason I could think of to pre-order a digital product would be so you can skip the payment step on launch day. With tons of people trying to throw money at GW online It might "pay" to go straight to downloading the product instead of going through their payment system. As payment systems are separate from the product servers it is one less point of failure.
Like going to go pick up your PS4 or Xbox and having their cash register down, so only people that have pre-ordered could get it with receipt. Thats my line of thought anyway, I could be wrong.
What is the timing for the digital release? For some reason I was thinking it would release on Saturday, but on iTunes it's scheduled for the 15th (45 minutes from now here in Texas).
Do I stay up and wait for Santa Claus to get here in the next hour, or just go to sleep and at some point tomorrow I'll just see it on my iPhone?
portugus wrote: The only reason I could think of to pre-order a digital product would be so you can skip the payment step on launch day. With tons of people trying to throw money at GW online It might "pay" to go straight to downloading the product instead of going through their payment system. As payment systems are separate from the product servers it is one less point of failure.
Like going to go pick up your PS4 or Xbox and having their cash register down, so only people that have pre-ordered could get it with receipt. Thats my line of thought anyway, I could be wrong.
Never underestimate the value of time in getting people to buy things. Pre-ordering keys into that for most people by eliminating a step the day of and makes it easier for them thus lowering a perceived cost when they order it.
Such is a "trick" of a number of industries to get people to buy certain goods over others, or to purchase things in general. The easier it is on the consumer when it comes time to purchase the more likely it is they'll buy it if they are considering it.
Naturally this doesn't work on people who have their minds made up so much, but when dealing with people who are on the fence it gets them to be customers even if they weren't really committed to buying what you're selling.
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davidgr33n wrote: What is the timing for the digital release? For some reason I was thinking it would release on Saturday, but on iTunes it's scheduled for the 15th (45 minutes from now here in Texas).
Do I stay up and wait for Santa Claus to get here in the next hour, or just go to sleep and at some point tomorrow I'll just see it on my iPhone?
It's not tonight but tomorrow night. GW releases it about 10pm in the BL in the UK, and I think iTunes is sometime between that and 10pm EST.
Eldercaveman wrote: And the fact this comes up about 20 times in every digital thread, and gets clarified in every single thread, it can become very tiring. My rant wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. Nor should it be taken that way, more at the general misconception. Happening, over and over and over... But meh, I'm tired maybe I'm just getting ratty.
There. I added it to my sig. Draigo's Law was getting tired anyways.
You should have had Kid Kyoto make a little graphic out of it. That would be hilarious.
davidgr33n wrote: What is the timing for the digital release? For some reason I was thinking it would release on Saturday, but on iTunes it's scheduled for the 15th (45 minutes from now here in Texas).
Do I stay up and wait for Santa Claus to get here in the next hour, or just go to sleep and at some point tomorrow I'll just see it on my iPhone?
It's not tonight but tomorrow night. GW releases it about 10pm in the BL in the UK, and I think iTunes is sometime between that and 10pm EST.
Ok, so just wait til tomorrow. Thanks, you saved me from staying up the rest of the night hoping and waiting LOL
The reason I pre-ordered both is that I want the bean counters at GW to take notice of 2 of the 40k factions I love (AS & =I=). GW is a business and if these pre-order make them want to invest in these product ranges then I'll be happy. I essentially voting with my wallet for the type of products I want to see from GW.
evildrcheese wrote: The reason I pre-ordered both is that I want the bean counters at GW to take notice of 2 of the 40k factions I love (AS & =I=). GW is a business and if these pre-order make them want to invest in these product ranges then I'll be happy. I essentially voting with my wallet for the type of products I want to see from GW.
D
This is me as well, with digital codexes I could get an illegal copy and nobody would be able to tell but SoB & Inquisition haven't been properly supported for so long when I want them properly supported so voting with my wallet (only thing that matters to GW these days) seems like the only way to make it happen.
I'm building a valkyrie at the moment and would love to make it an Inquisition one as I have a ton of Inquisition bling in my bits boxes, really hope we see that as a transport option for Inquisitors.
alanmckenzie wrote: Sorry if this has been covered, but is this getting a physical release? And is there a date for it?
No immediate plans for a physical release,
but they have said for the Adepta Sororitas that if it was popular enough a physical book might be possible, so hopefully they will go the same way with this one
Popular belief is that if the digital copy is popular, then a physical copy might manifest.
Cool, thanks. Hope that's not the case though, it's a bit of a catch 22. As nice and fancy as the digital codicies are (from what I've seen), I'd still only ever actually stump up the cash for a physical book. Just like 'em better.
alanmckenzie wrote: Sorry if this has been covered, but is this getting a physical release? And is there a date for it?
No immediate plans for a physical release,
but they have said for the Adepta Sororitas that if it was popular enough a physical book might be possible, so hopefully they will go the same way with this one
Difference is that Adepta Soroitas Digital Codex has at least half as much units as the old thin Witchhunter Codex. Inquisition Digital Codex is at best an ally "Codex", basically a maxed out alternative HQ unit, filled with a fluff paragraph on Eisenhorn etc to justify the release (but seems to miss even Assassins).
Let's see... we had 19 total units (not counting DTs) and we lost 7 (one of which is the ability to take an Immolator as a heavy choice). That'd be 36.8%. Not quite half.
I'm not counting Chimeras or Land Raiders because you couldn't take those on your own.
As for the no Assassins thing, I've seen people claim it, but no one has linked it or quoted it verbatim. Anyone got that or are we stuck running in circles with scuttlebutt and we don't even know it yet?
ClockworkZion wrote: As for the no Assassins thing, I've seen people claim it, but no one has linked it or quoted it verbatim. Anyone got that or are we stuck running in circles with scuttlebutt and we don't even know it yet?
There's a selection of 'Inquisitorial Models', and the Assassins are not among them. But yeah, the Land Raider isn't listed there either, and we know that one is in for sure, so take from that what you will.
alanmckenzie wrote: Sorry if this has been covered, but is this getting a physical release? And is there a date for it?
No immediate plans for a physical release,
but they have said for the Adepta Sororitas that if it was popular enough a physical book might be possible, so hopefully they will go the same way with this one
Difference is that Adepta Soroitas Digital Codex has at least half as much units as the old thin Witchhunter Codex. Inquisition Digital Codex is at best an ally "Codex", basically a maxed out alternative HQ unit, filled with a fluff paragraph on Eisenhorn etc to justify the release (but seems to miss even Assassins).
Oh good, you've seen it then. So what options does this alternative HQ have?
ClockworkZion wrote: As for the no Assassins thing, I've seen people claim it, but no one has linked it or quoted it verbatim. Anyone got that or are we stuck running in circles with scuttlebutt and we don't even know it yet?
There's a selection of 'Inquisitorial Models', and the Assassins are not among them. But yeah, the Land Raider isn't listed there either, and we know that one is in for sure, so take from that what you will.
I'm betting that those models/units (outside of the actual Inquisitors) are just Inquisitorial Henchmen options again (like they are now). Well I'll know more tonight and can actually follow up on it properly when I do my review.
ClockworkZion wrote: It's not tonight but tomorrow night. GW releases it about 10pm in the BL in the UK, and I think iTunes is sometime between that and 10pm EST.
ClockworkZion wrote: It's not tonight but tomorrow night. GW releases it about 10pm in the BL in the UK, and I think iTunes is sometime between that and 10pm EST.
ClockworkZion wrote: As for the no Assassins thing, I've seen people claim it, but no one has linked it or quoted it verbatim. Anyone got that or are we stuck running in circles with scuttlebutt and we don't even know it yet?
There's a selection of 'Inquisitorial Models', and the Assassins are not among them. But yeah, the Land Raider isn't listed there either, and we know that one is in for sure, so take from that what you will.
Afair, gwde stated that there will be no assassins i =][= codex, but that they might be covered in subsequent publications (speculations: 6e codex gk or - more probably - codex assassins)
ClockworkZion wrote: It's not tonight but tomorrow night. GW releases it about 10pm in the BL in the UK, and I think iTunes is sometime between that and 10pm EST.
I'm curious, what's BL?
Black Library, Games Workshop's fiction arm.
Lol, that would make sense. For some reason I didn't think of that in that context.
ClockworkZion wrote: As for the no Assassins thing, I've seen people claim it, but no one has linked it or quoted it verbatim. Anyone got that or are we stuck running in circles with scuttlebutt and we don't even know it yet?
There's a selection of 'Inquisitorial Models', and the Assassins are not among them. But yeah, the Land Raider isn't listed there either, and we know that one is in for sure, so take from that what you will.
Afair, gwde stated that there will be no assassins i =][= codex, but that they might be covered in subsequent publications (speculations: 6e codex gk or - more probably - codex assassins)
You know we know Death Cult Assassins are in this or do they not count anymore?
Ribbing aside, I can't find any post that says the Assassins themselves won't be in this. We'll know in a few hours though so no point stressing it.
Damn it, getting to use the Vindicare with my IG was going to be one of the selling points on this codex for me. If I can't have him, I probably wont buy this.
ultimentra wrote: Damn it, getting to use the Vindicare with my IG was going to be one of the selling points on this codex for me. If I can't have him, I probably wont buy this.
evildrcheese wrote: The reason I pre-ordered both is that I want the bean counters at GW to take notice of 2 of the 40k factions I love (AS & =I=). GW is a business and if these pre-order make them want to invest in these product ranges then I'll be happy. I essentially voting with my wallet for the type of products I want to see from GW.
ultimentra wrote: Damn it, getting to use the Vindicare with my IG was going to be one of the selling points on this codex for me. If I can't have him, I probably wont buy this.
You can use him with your IG right now.
Not really, I'm not keen on having allies that aren't BB. I don't want my 1 troop choice from the ally contingent denying my own objectives.
ultimentra wrote: Damn it, getting to use the Vindicare with my IG was going to be one of the selling points on this codex for me. If I can't have him, I probably wont buy this.
You can use him with your IG right now.
Not really, I'm not keen on having allies that aren't BB. I don't want my 1 troop choice from the ally contingent denying my own objectives.
Allies of Convenience don't deny your own objectives. They can be scoring.
Well we're either about an hour out from the epub version or three hours out now. The iPad one (which I keep buying for some reason) tends to be a little later from what I can tell.
Yeah I'm excited.
Also I noticed that on the BL page it says that GWDE has a new release every week. Guess they're counting the Munititorium books in that.
ClockworkZion wrote: Well we're either about an hour out from the epub version or three hours out now. The iPad one (which I keep buying for some reason) tends to be a little later from what I can tell.
Yeah I'm excited.
Also I noticed that on the BL page it says that GWDE has a new release every week. Guess they're counting the Munititorium books in that.
So do we know what time (PST) the codex will drop?
ClockworkZion wrote: Well we're either about an hour out from the epub version or three hours out now. The iPad one (which I keep buying for some reason) tends to be a little later from what I can tell.
Yeah I'm excited.
Also I noticed that on the BL page it says that GWDE has a new release every week. Guess they're counting the Munititorium books in that.
So do we know what time (PST) the codex will drop?
pst is GMT-8 so if it drops at midninght in england it's 4 pm on the left coast.
Desubot wrote: Oh sweet hopefully some one will do some reviews before 5pm on the Best coast.
Just curious about the whole assassins thing.
As soon as I can download it I'm going to start working on the review. The thing is that I'm stuck with whenever iTunes releases it so it might be later than that.
Its up and its... different. Short of it is the codex consists of HQs, Elites and Transports. No Assassins but a wide variety of transports.
You now get the option of an Inquisitorial Detachment (Primary, Secondary and Inquisitorial can all be fielded together. I.e. Marines with Guard with Inquisitors)
Arg. I dislike waiting but for some reason my bank hates the BL (I'm guessing because it's an out of country thing) so the iPad is my only option and it's not out yet.
It's pretty meh. I guess the good thing is that any Imperial army can include an Inquisitor as a stand alone allied HQ choice. So rad and psychotroke grenades for everyone!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Having Coteaz as a Battle Brother can provide a good boost to Sisters armies as disgusting as that thought is.
Amerikon wrote: It's pretty meh. I guess the good thing is that any Imperial army can include an Inquisitor as a stand alone allied HQ choice. So rad and psychotroke grenades for everyone!
Does it count as your ally slot? Is Coteaz in the new book?
Amerikon wrote: It's pretty meh. I guess the good thing is that any Imperial army can include an Inquisitor as a stand alone allied HQ choice. So rad and psychotroke grenades for everyone!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Having Coteaz as a Battle Brother can provide a good boost to Sisters armies as disgusting as that thought is.
Coteaz and Karamazov are in the book along with all the other generic Ordo Inquisistors. It looks like a copy/paste job from C:GK. I think it does count as your ally slot. I'll check though.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Nope. An Inquisition detachment is taken "in addition to any other attachments". It's an orgy of allies y'all!
It's worth noting that an Inquisition Detachment is limited to 1-2 HQ and 0-3 Elites where Henchmen are Elites. If you take the Inquisition Detachment as your primary you get to count your 0-3 Warbands as scoring units.
So, whats actually inside it? Just the generic Xenos/Malleus/Hereticus Inquisitors, the SCs, henchmen and vehicles? Are there any differences to their versions in the GK codex? What about the relics?
Amerikon wrote: Coteaz and Karamazov are in the book along with all the other generic Ordo Inquisistors. It looks like a copy/paste job from C:GK. I think it does count as your ally slot. I'll check though.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Nope. An Inquisition detachment is taken "in addition to any other attachments". It's an orgy of allies y'all!
Hmm if thats the case i suppose i could still take GK allies for a single assassin
There's not a whole lot to blog. Althought the Acolytes are an interesting item. If you want to run some Frateris Militia mobs you can take up to 36 of the little buggers for 4pts each and stick a Priest with them.
Priests are the same as they are for Sisters except their bound to their Warband and not independent characters, which is a pretty big deal.
Fluff question: is anything said about the SoB being Chamber Militant to the Hereticus? If not, is the term "Chamber Militant" used anywhere else?
Green is Best! wrote: NO, it specifically states you can take SPace Marines, IG as an ally, and Inquistors as a special ally that does not take up a slot.
So essentially it is exactly what some people warned it would be (i.e. just a HQ book, with transports) except they've separated henchmen to be pseudo-Elites so they can say "see?! It isn't JUST a HQ book!" when in fact that's exactly what it is.
Glad I didn't bother.
Wake me up please if there are new models for the fraternis militia. I'd buy them for Sisters allies if they exist.
The only direct reference to someone being a "Chamber Militant" is to the Deathwatch and Ordo Xenos. They refer generally to "Chambers Militant" in the section on Acolytes. No mention of the ladies other than that the Ordo Hereticus "keeps and eye on them" along with a few other groups.
Crimson wrote: One question: can Inquisitors finally get an invulnerable save? (Other than 5+ from termie armour.)
Doesn't look like it. Only Malleus can take Termie armor and no one gets anything like a Rosarius or Storm Shield as an option that I can see. There's a Warlord Trait that gives a 6++
4 Sub Ordos (Chronus, Scriptorum, Machinum, Sicarius)
Fluff on the Philosophies.
Tons of Inquisitor fluff on different famous Inqs\
Take as Primary of a special Ally, in addition to existing allies
Different FOC chart (1 HQ (Req), 1 HQ, 3 Elites)
If primary, Warbands are scoring
BB to BA, DA, GK, IG, Inq, SOB, SM, SW Desperate to DE AOC to Eldar, Tau
CtA Ork, Tyranid, Necron, Chaos, Chaos Daemons
Hereticus Warlod Traits
1) Choose to pass/fail morale
2) Roll two and choose for Reserves, OUtflank and Mysterious
3) Orbital Bombardment
4) PE Psyker
5) Adamantium Will
6) No inflitrate within 24 of Warlord
Malleus
1) Choose to pass/fail morale
2) Roll two and choose for Reserves, OUtflank and Mysterious
3) Orbital Bombardment
4) PE Daemon
5) -1 to all daemon invuls within 12"
6) +1 Warp Charge or Adamantium Will
Xenos
1) Choose to pass/fail morale
2) Roll two and choose for Reserves, OUtflank and Mysterious
3) Orbital Bombardment
4) PE vs any Xenos list
5) 6+ Invul, +1 S and Rending on a ranged weapon
6) Hatred
Conversion Beamers
Hellrifle (36, S6 AP3, H1 Rend
Orbital Strike with three different types of bombs ., Can still charge. Lol S6 AP4, Ord D3, Large
S10 AP1, Heavy 1 Lance, Blast
S6 AP4, Ord 1, Large Blast, PsiShock
Daemonblades
Null rod
Sythian Venom Talon
Special Issue
Brain Mines
Psybolt
Psychotroke
Psyk-out
Psyocculum
Rad Grenades
Servo Skulls
Plasma Syphon
Psychic
Hammerhand
Dark Exc
Sanctuary
Psy Communion
Psy Barrage (S3, AP6, Assault 1, Large Blast, 36", S and AP increase by 1 for each model who knows the model after the first.)
Relics
Liber Heresius (15)
Take a Ld Test at start of friendly turn, bearer and unit gain: Scouts, Split-fire, Counter-attack, fear, Hatred. Scouts is pregame leadership test. Each one only once.
Grimoire of TN (5): If in a challenge with daemon, tehy get -5 WS, Init and Ld Tome of Vehtric (20): Bearer gains abilities depending on opponent's list. Ex: Against DE, you get night vision. Eldar, split fire. Orks, counter-attack. Necrons, tank hunter. Tau, furious charge. Tyranids, Monster hunter.
Coteaz and Kara Looks the same
Inquisitors look the same as GKinqs.
Henchmen look pretty comparable. They get Power Weapons, not swords for Crusaders and DCA.
They get Priests now in Henchmen squads which work like AS priests (i.e. War Hymns)
Rhinos, Razors, CHimera, Valks, LR, LRC, LRR are all DT
Amerikon wrote: No mention of the ladies other than that the Ordo Hereticus "keeps and eye on them" along with a few other groups.
Huh, that's really odd. I think of all Imperial organisations, the Hereticus should have very little cause to "keep an eye on" the Sisters.
Remember that the Ecclesiarchy is not immune to having heretics and rabblerousers in their midst. The Sororitas follow the Ecclesiarchy and while they might not necessarily do it blindly, there's always that chance.
I am very intrigued as to what the "Hellrifle" is. It sounds familiar, like Codex: Witchhunters familiar.
So there's not even any mention of them working together anymore, just the Hereticus treating them like any other Imperial organisation. Guess that puts that question to rest, then.
But I still think that having the Hereticus watching the Sisters makes no sense...
Rules copied from GK and fluff copied from the free Inquisitor rule book and the rpg's.
1/10 laziest effort by gw yet and a waste of money.
For fanatics only
Desubot wrote: Oh my. im still not sure how scout could possibly work if it must take a LD at the start of a friendly turn.
are Rad grenades only in CC like GK or can it be thrown?
Scout has an exception to make a pre-game LD test to get scout.
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SeanDrake wrote: Rules copied from GK and fluff copied from the free Inquisitor rule book and the rpg's.
1/10 laziest effort by gw yet and a waste of money.
For fanatics only
Or people who want to add inquisitors to their armies.
Kanluwen wrote: Remember that the Ecclesiarchy is not immune to having heretics and rabblerousers in their midst. The Sororitas follow the Ecclesiarchy and while they might not necessarily do it blindly, there's always that chance.
True, but the Sisters also police the Ecclesiarchy, so they too are specifically on the lookout for that sort of thing. Though I suppose that they may not also be 100% objective, so having the Hereticus watching too makes sense. But the Sisters themselves are a non-risk when it comes to heresy.
It just seems like a really odd change in tone, to me. I mean, the Sisters and Hereticus being buds makes a lot of sense, IMO. Both extremely zealous, both hate heretics, both hunt down Imperial forces who go heretic. They've gone from working closely together (to the point of sharing a codex) to pretty much nothing.
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pretre wrote: Liber Heresius with Ordo Xenos inquisitor with Rad and Psychotroke in an SOB blob.
Oh, so we get the special allies rules with them? The Red Hunters thing is valid?
All in all I'm quite happy with the codex to have a small inquisitorial warband without taking Coteaz. The limit to having 3 warbands (and upto 2 inquisitors) really does keep it to being primary at sub 700 points for me, however it odes give the option to expand a previous ally detachment into becoming the primary one.
Crimson wrote: One question: can Inquisitors finally get an invulnerable save? (Other than 5+ from termie armour.)
Doesn't look like it. Only Malleus can take Termie armor and no one gets anything like a Rosarius or Storm Shield as an option that I can see. There's a Warlord Trait that gives a 6++
For feth's sake, even IG officers get a refractor field, and every bloody priest has rosarius, yet the most powerful agents of the Imperium cannot get either!
xruslanx wrote: Is anyone going to tell me what the troop option is? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaseeeeee?
Take as Primary of a special Ally, in addition to existing allies
Different FOC chart (1 HQ (Req), 1 HQ, 3 Elites)
If primary, Warbands are scoring
Ah so there's no stormtroopers or anything? No actual troop choice?
It seems so. you have to make them out of acolytes like the GK book but they score if you take them as a primary whatever that means (im to assume taken as your warlord)
xruslanx wrote: Is anyone going to tell me what the troop option is? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaseeeeee?
Take as Primary of a special Ally, in addition to existing allies
Different FOC chart (1 HQ (Req), 1 HQ, 3 Elites)
If primary, Warbands are scoring
Ah so there's no stormtroopers or anything? No actual troop choice?
It seems so. you have to make them out of acolytes like the GK book but they score if you take them as a primary whatever that means (im to assume taken as your warlord)
So Karamatzov is just a cut and paste from CH then? Guess there's no reason for me to buy C:I then... If I can field him with my Sisters without "needing" to buy anything else...
Eldarain wrote: If you use the inquisitorial ally rule to take models from three factions are you required to take 3 HQs?
Or can an Inquisitor be the mandatory HQ from your primary detachment?
You (currently) have to have a HQ for each detachment. Codex inquisitor allows you to nominate an inquisitor-HQ as your warlord, instead of your main detachment HQ, but doesn't remove requirement of taking a HQ choice.
I will admit the units section is a copy paste of the GK dex and the priest from the AS dex. The interesting stuff is in the new ability to take an additional allies slot where the HQ can be the warlord.
The warlord table is excellent with almost every option being something that can change a game.
The artifacts are all unique and something that should be really amazing since the Inq is BB to all the imperial forces. How does Monster Hunter sound against Tyranids? Or Tank Hunter against Necrons?
Karamov is going to be awesome in IG armies. Want to finish that CC your Infantry Squad is tarpitting Abadon in? Well drop an orbital relay with no scatter.
I can see alot of the psychic based armies and units cry foul with some of the stuff that shows up in this dex. An example is the psyocculam which turns the entire unit BS 10 when shooting at a unit with a psyker in it. It was popular to attach a farseer to units...not so much after that. Or take a null rod which blocks all psychic powers from targeting the unit. There are a lot of options which while not completely invalidating psykers will definitely make them avoid those units.
Now I wonder if AS can also now be BB allies with Red Hunters as the Inquisitor is in AN allied detachment if the SM are primary. Though not THE allied detachment...
The allies matrix is also pretty fluffy. Eldar as allies of convenience and Tau as desperate allies. Know your place fishmen.
I regret pre-ordering this. I should have waited and read the feedback on it. I was hoping to diversify my Imperial Guard with a cool, home-brew Inquisitor and Warband. The upgrades are too narrow and underwhelming. It is absolutely mind boggling that Acolytes have less Weapon Skill then my Veteran Guardsmen. The Warband is really disappointing to me.
Troike wrote: But the Sisters themselves are a non-risk when it comes to heresy.
Yeah, but while the Sisters focus on heresy, Inquisitors focus on a lot of other things. Including the balance of power between different organizations within the Imperium *cough cough Vandire cough cough*.
By this Seal: When using the Allies Matrix, all models in the Red Hunters detachment count units from Codex: Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle as Battle Brothers so long as an Inquisitor is also present in the allied detachment.
Yep, so you get an allied inq and you can now have allied BB Space Marines with AS
I can have 2 coteaz if i run this with my GK?s!?!?!
I was already doing an inquisitor band, now i can have two coteaz' and two other inquisitors, muwahahahahahah and thats not even STARTING with the added stuff to add in from red hunters
still 2x "power weapons" for the DCA's whew! and dedicated landraiders for them too!
AND PREISTS OMG re rollable saves or to wounds? yes please!
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Yeah, but while the Sisters focus on heresy, Inquisitors focus on a lot of other things. Including the balance of power between different organizations within the Imperium *cough cough Vandire cough cough*.
The Sisters themselves are rather vigilant for another Vandire, though. They learnt their lesson.
Being vigilant of heresy in other organisations is another trait that they share, in fact.
But yeah, I think that most of us were hoping for more than this.
Yeah, it's not often I feel let down by a release that I was looking forward to. I may get it in future as a cheap alternative to C:GK if I ever want to collect an inquisitor force, but I was hoping for a lot more - Inquisitor Lords, bucket-loads of special rules, stormtroopers, special characters - none of which would require new models.
You guys are missing the most important thing of the allies list shown by Pretre: nowhere in there does it mention how they fit with Black Templar, only BA, DA, SW, GK, SM. That says one of two things: they can't ally with BT at all, even as desperate (doubtful); or BT and SM are one and the same now. I'm gonna go with the latter. I know it was in the YMDC subforum, but I think we can safely say GW intended BT to now be counted as SMs. This new book highly suggests it.
Troike wrote: Being vigilant of heresy in other organisations is another trait that they share, in fact.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. The Sisters won't have any problem with the Ecclesiarchy becoming too powerful. They would have a problem with it being corrupt though.
Some Inquisitor will want to prevent the Ecclesiarchy from becoming too powerful.
timetowaste85 wrote: You guys are missing the most important thing of the allies list shown by Pretre: nowhere in there does it mention how they fit with Black Templar, only BA, DA, SW, GK, SM. That says one of two things: they can't ally with BT at all, even as desperate (doubtful); or BT and SM are one and the same now. I'm gonna go with the latter. I know it was in the YMDC subforum, but I think we can safely say GW intended BT to now be counted as SMs. This new book highly suggests it.
Troike wrote: Being vigilant of heresy in other organisations is another trait that they share, in fact.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. The Sisters won't have any problem with the Ecclesiarchy becoming too powerful. They would have a problem with it being corrupt though. Some Inquisitor will want to prevent the Ecclesiarchy from becoming too powerful.
Depends on what you mean by too powerful, though. Exerting lots of influence over a world the Sisters would probably like, sure. But overstepping their political bounderies would probably not go down well.
It's not even so much that the Hereticus are keeping an eye on the Sisters, it's that that's all they're said to be doing in regards to them. They should work very well together, considering how some of their prominent duties overlap. But there is, apparently, no mention of this.
I can see alot of the psychic based armies and units cry foul with some of the stuff that shows up in this dex. An example is the psyocculam which turns the entire unit BS 10 when shooting at a unit with a psyker in it. It was popular to attach a farseer to units...not so much after that. Or take a null rod which blocks all psychic powers from targeting the unit. There are a lot of options which while not completely invalidating psykers will definitely make them avoid those units.
Eh psychic powers give you twin-linked.. and BS10 isn't twice as good as BS5.. its barely better. So being TL vs units with psykers is not exactly a big buff considering every army seems to have prescience now. (yes I understand its TL on a 2+ to hit, but thats still not a ton different than TL on BS4).
Also, Null rod isnt that special since the best powers are those that buff your own units and don't have to worry about DTW.
Sounds like this book is what I figured, a way to sell inquisitors without needing any new ideas. Oh well, I don't need to spend money to include Coteaz..I already have his stats.
timetowaste85 wrote:You guys are missing the most important thing of the allies list shown by Pretre: nowhere in there does it mention how they fit with Black Templar, only BA, DA, SW, GK, SM. That says one of two things: they can't ally with BT at all, even as desperate (doubtful); or BT and SM are one and the same now. I'm gonna go with the latter. I know it was in the YMDC subforum, but I think we can safely say GW intended BT to now be counted as SMs. This new book highly suggests it.
Actually they list even tyranids and Chaos in the allies matrix. So BT would have to be the SM entry.
Kirasu wrote:
I can see alot of the psychic based armies and units cry foul with some of the stuff that shows up in this dex. An example is the psyocculam which turns the entire unit BS 10 when shooting at a unit with a psyker in it. It was popular to attach a farseer to units...not so much after that. Or take a null rod which blocks all psychic powers from targeting the unit. There are a lot of options which while not completely invalidating psykers will definitely make them avoid those units.
Eh psychic powers give you twin-linked.. and BS10 isn't twice as good as BS5.. its barely better. So being TL vs units with psykers is not exactly a big buff considering every army seems to have prescience now. (yes I understand its TL on a 2+ to hit, but thats still not a ton different than TL on BS4).
Also, Null rod isnt that special since the best powers are those that buff your own units and don't have to worry about DTW.
Sounds like this book is what I figured, a way to sell inquisitors without needing any new ideas. Oh well, I don't need to spend money to include Coteaz..I already have his stats.
Actually prescienced IG hit 75% of the time or conscripts hit 44% of the time. With this in the unit they hit 97% of the time. This thing is practically made to be abused by IG. Additionally subtracting 10 from blast weapons is huge.
The rod will be very annoying for Daemons and SW players who have very nasty offensive powers. It will also take some of the oomph from seer councils when they cannot doom or hex your guys.
Okay sorry I didn't take into account Imperial Guard conscripts, that was my mistake.
I agree it's good with blast weapons for sure, if you can stack enough of them into a unit and make sure the enemy puts a psyker in said unit.
Yes, they both have uses but I see nothing that would cause those other armies to "cry foul". There are plenty of much more powerful abilities than BS10 vs pyskers or null rods. I'd be more annoyed about Rune Priests
Well, this was truly disappointing. I did not expect much, but I expected more than this. It is just a boring copy-paste job. All the flaws of that existed in GK book have been merrily reproduced.
pizzaguardian wrote: I did, must have misread i supose. Should have not read right after my nap.
Naps do f with you.
Yes, it's a cut and paste. It has some new stuff in it and some tweaks. It is exactly like C:AS in that regard, mostly cut and paste and some new stuff on top. No one should be surprised.
Yes, it's a cut and paste. It has some new stuff in it and some tweaks. It is exactly like C:AS in that regard, mostly cut and paste and some new stuff on top. No one should be surprised.
Adepta Sororitas was much more substantial revision. I think it was exactly because I was so positively surprised by the effort they had put in C:AS, that made me expect much more from this Inquisition thing.
Yes, it's a cut and paste. It has some new stuff in it and some tweaks. It is exactly like C:AS in that regard, mostly cut and paste and some new stuff on top. No one should be surprised.
Adepta Sororitas was much more substantial revision. I think it was exactly because I was so positively surprised by the effort they had put in C:AS, that made me expect much more from this Inquisition thing.
I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think this is supposed to be a big change. I think the rumors of codexes meant to be allies are finally coming true and then next GK codex is going to drop all the Inquisition stuff.
Also, bloody feck that's a lot of stuff in the wargear!
Wow. Nice review. Seems like this codex will mostly be used to stick Inquisitors with other units from other armies for nice Battle Brother shenanigans.
Also, bloody feck that's a lot of stuff in the wargear!
Wow. Nice review. Seems like this codex will mostly be used to stick Inquisitors with other units from other armies for nice Battle Brother shenanigans.
Thanks! And I agree.
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pretre wrote: Missed that Coteas has daemon hunter. Is that the PE one?
I'd have to look again, but I think it's Hatred actually.
Hmmm wonder what happens when GK/AS/Inquisition ally as 2 of them are bb and 2 are allies of convenience. Can GK and AS units join an inquisition unit at the same time?
schadenfreude wrote: Hmmm wonder what happens when GK/AS/Inquisition ally as 2 of them are bb and 2 are allies of convenience. Can GK and AS units join an inquisition unit at the same time?
It is probably based on the squad you're joining.
So an SOB character and a GK character could join an Inq Henchman squad. But a Inq character and GK character could not join a SOB squad. (Inq character could though)
Paladins or regular GK termies with a 2+ invo staff+ inquisitor grenade caddy + priest with shred + priest for rerolls of invos/armor saves in cc=Hard counter for a CC army. Shooting armies can still light it up, but all CC armes can do is try to avoid it.
schadenfreude wrote: Paladins or regular GK termies with a 2+ invo staff+ inquisitor grenade caddy + priest with shred + priest for rerolls of invos/armor saves in cc=Hard counter for a CC army. Shooting armies can still light it up, but all CC armes can do is try to avoid it.
Inquisition priests aren't ICs they are part of the henchman squad. So no BB IC priests for GK.
Still, 55 points for an Inquisitor with Hammerhand to give an IG blob S4 thanks to Hammerhand. Plus you get Ld 10 stubborn, meaning you don't need a commissar.
That may have been possible before but now I can take them without a troop tax.
schadenfreude wrote: Paladins or regular GK termies with a 2+ invo staff+ inquisitor grenade caddy + priest with shred + priest for rerolls of invos/armor saves in cc=Hard counter for a CC army. Shooting armies can still light it up, but all CC armes can do is try to avoid it.
Inquisition priests aren't ICs they are part of the henchman squad. So no BB IC priests for GK.
Does inquisition still have access to any GKTEQ under their own force org charts?
MrFlutterPie wrote: I own the Grey Knight codex can somebody give me a page number for "Psychic Communion" power? I can not for the life of me find it.
MrFlutterPie wrote: I own the Grey Knight codex can somebody give me a page number for "Psychic Communion" power? I can not for the life of me find it.
Page 23 I believe.
Thank you I didn't think to check the brother captain entry.
I hate the way 5ed codexs are set up. Give me the 3ed codex set up any day
schadenfreude wrote: Is the GK selections in codex inquisitors only inquisitorial units thus excluding all GK and assassins?
Correct.
A lazy supplement made good because its possible to make some pretty powerful combos due to it being an additional ally and adds back in the Inquisition to SoB.
I like that it does exactly what I wanted the book to do. Enable me to get an inquisitor into my army(for theme) relatively easily.
Only thing that makes me sad is that coteaz is almost a no brainer. For 136 points I get coteaz and three scoring units. Great way to cheaply bulk out scoring potential, LOS blocking in your table quarter and you are good for home objectives.
Lazy or not, it suits my needs and gives me the opportunity to dip a foot back in to 40k, work on some squads I enjoy from different armies and still field everything together.
Kazzigum wrote: Quick couple questions for those in the know.
1. Does the Daemonblade specify that it must be a sword?
2. For Inquisitors, if you choose to use pyskic powers from the main rulebook, which schools are available?
1) No, but it has a set strength and ap.
2) Div, Pyro, Telek
Thanks for the answers, they are much appreciated. Couple more if I could.
3. The Null Rod. Is it the same as in the Grey Knights -- meaning the inquisitor and his unit are immune to psychic powers but they themselves can still use them, as long as they are not blessings on their own unit or themselves?
4. Are all the points costs the same as in Grey Knights?
I'm really hoping that I didn't miss somebody asking this.... two questions. One, so is Eisenhorn just in there as fluff? Just a blurb and then no way to make him a real thing (asking this more because they had an entire page for him and pondering the reasoning for him being there)? Two, so I guess the female ordo xenos radical inquisitor is no more (apologies forgot her name)? Sorry, just was hoping they would at least try and represent her considering the fact that they don't really have many models for the inquisitors left anyways
Does Coteaz still have his Lord of Formosa rule in Codex: Inquisition? In other words, does he still make Warbands troops/scoring, even if they are allied?
Redemption wrote: Does Coteaz still have his Lord of Formosa rule in Codex: Inquisition? In other words, does he still make Warbands troops/scoring, even if they are allied?
So... You can only have 3 units? A GK Coteaz army can have 6 warbands. This makes me sad.
Can I take two Inquisitor detachments? That would redeem the money I just spent. Otherwise, what a waste. You can't do an army with only three unit. I mean, why?
MakesKidsKill wrote: So... You can only have 3 units? A GK Coteaz army can have 6 warbands. This makes me sad.
Can I take two Inquisitor detachments? That would redeem the money I just spent. Otherwise, what a waste. You can't do an army with only three unit. I mean, why?
Codex: Inquisition is listed as Battle Brothers, so I guess you can ally with yourself to get more units. Although you could also just ally to GK with Coteaz in that case, and get even more troops.
MakesKidsKill wrote: So... You can only have 3 units? A GK Coteaz army can have 6 warbands. This makes me sad.
Can I take two Inquisitor detachments? That would redeem the money I just spent. Otherwise, what a waste. You can't do an army with only three unit. I mean, why?
Codex: Inquisition is listed as Battle Brothers, so I guess you can ally with yourself to get more units. Although you could also just ally to GK with Coteaz in that case, and get even more troops.
Ah, thanks, I missed that. That redeems it to me, as I have 2 shooty Jokaero/acolyte squads, 2 Psyker squads and 2 crusader/DCA squads.
I can ally them with themselves and get 4 inquisitors with Divination, and drop DCA/crusader blocks outta Vendettas. Me happy. I could even take 2 Inq detachments and another primary, I think.
So, when do you think GW will announce the electronic-only Codex: Assassins?
It seems like the next logical choice since they aren't in the Inquisition one, and they can make even more money if we all hav to buy another £20 book to use them in out IG army...
I have a question. When I take Inquisitors as my primary detachment does he take up one of my HQ slots? As in if I was playing sisters of battle, I could take an Inquisitor as my only HQ and not take any sister HQs?
If not can I do the following?
Take 2 Inquisitors as my Inquisitor Detachment, take 2 Grey Knight Inquisitors and ally in another Inquisitor for a total of 5 Inquisitors.
1. Did any of the options change for inquisitors? Like can a hereticus inquisitor take rad grenades? Isn't that xenos only?
2. If we already have the grey knights codex, the sisters codex, the guard codex, is this really worth the purchase? Just for artwork, fluff (which can be found online) and warlord traits?
3. Is a daemon blade changed at all? Have any other weapon profiles or point costs changed?
4. Is there a way to give an inquisitor an invul save?
MakesKidsKill wrote: So... You can only have 3 units? A GK Coteaz army can have 6 warbands. This makes me sad.
Can I take two Inquisitor detachments? That would redeem the money I just spent. Otherwise, what a waste. You can't do an army with only three unit. I mean, why?
Codex: Inquisition is listed as Battle Brothers, so I guess you can ally with yourself to get more units. Although you could also just ally to GK with Coteaz in that case, and get even more troops.
Ah, thanks, I missed that. That redeems it to me, as I have 2 shooty Jokaero/acolyte squads, 2 Psyker squads and 2 crusader/DCA squads.
I can ally them with themselves and get 4 inquisitors with Divination, and drop DCA/crusader blocks outta Vendettas. Me happy. I could even take 2 Inq detachments and another primary, I think.
If playing 2k with GK primary you could have18 inquisition warbands. 12 from the primary detachment and 6 from having two inquisition detachments. You would still have the option for 2 allied detachments as well.
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Necrosis wrote: I have a question. When I take Inquisitors as my primary detachment does he take up one of my HQ slots? As in if I was playing sisters of battle, I could take an Inquisitor as my only HQ and not take any sister HQs?
If not can I do the following?
Take 2 Inquisitors as my Inquisitor Detachment, take 2 Grey Knight Inquisitors and ally in another Inquisitor for a total of 5 Inquisitors.
-You still have to take a SoBHQ for the primary detachment FoC, but the InqHQ can be your warlord if you want.
-You could take 2 Inq from GK as a primary detachment , then 2 more from Inquisition detachment if you wanted. Inquisition detachment never counts as an allied detachment. Just primary or Inquisition detachment.
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monkeypuzzle wrote: When is it actually released? The Black Library is still saying pre-orders and I can't find the actual release date anywhere.
1) No assassins. Gawd knows why, probably because they're going to charge us for a separate supplement later;
2) No dedicated IST. Technically you can build them as acolytes, but they're weirdly expensive that way and you they only have basic guardsman stats, when they should be veterans. This was always one of my big gripes with codex GK, if you're going to force us to build them, at least give us the tools to do it;
3) They haven't even included all the Inquistor special characters (e.g. Valeria) they created for codex GK?! There were never any specific models for these, so why not do the cut and paste job thoroughly?! Could possibly have included Rex and Lok from FW too.
4) Finally, and most frustratingly, they've left the henchmen war band as that horrible massive table as per codex GK, with all of the unit descriptions crammed onto a single page. It's a nightmare to try and read. They had to reformat it for ebook/iBook anyway, but they couldn't take the time to just put in a few sub headings?! It would only take a couple of extra pages and make it so much easier to read. Plus it might even make the book feel a little meatier...
1) No assassins. Gawd knows why, probably because they're going to charge us for a separate supplement later;
2) No dedicated IST. Technically you can build them as acolytes, but they're weirdly expensive that way and you they only have basic guardsman stats, when they should be veterans. This was always one of my big gripes with codex GK, if you're going to force us to build them, at least give us the tools to do it;
3) They haven't even included all the Inquistor special characters (e.g. Valeria) they created for codex GK?! There were never any specific models for these, so why not do the cut and paste job thoroughly?! Could possibly have included Rex and Lok from FW too.
4) Finally, and most frustratingly, they've left the henchmen war band as that horrible massive table as per codex GK, with all of the unit descriptions crammed onto a single page. It's a nightmare to try and read. They had to reformat it for ebook/iBook anyway, but they couldn't take the time to just put in a few sub headings?! It would only take a couple of extra pages and make it so much easier to read. Plus it might even make the book feel a little meatier...
I really agree. I'm disappointed that they didn't do at least two or three of these simple steps, then the codex would have bee an instant buy for me. Now, not so much.
Necrosis wrote: I have a question. When I take Inquisitors as my primary detachment does he take up one of my HQ slots? As in if I was playing sisters of battle, I could take an Inquisitor as my only HQ and not take any sister HQs?
If not can I do the following? Take 2 Inquisitors as my Inquisitor Detachment, take 2 Grey Knight Inquisitors and ally in another Inquisitor for a total of 5 Inquisitors.
Yo dawg, we heard you like Inquisitors...
It's a shame this book turned out this way. I was hoping they'd put a bit more effort into it than this. Feels very cynical. Great if you don't already have Codex GK, I suppose... even then, with some named Inquisitors missing from Codex GK, you're probably better off getting that and house ruling the force org/detachment stuff...
Think youd be capped at 4 inquisitors, they can either be taken as your primary or as an Inquisitorial Detachment. So 2 from GK Primary, 2 from Inquisitorial.
A major change no one else seems to have noted yet, the priests are the ones from Codex Adeptus Soritas. Our warbands get war hymns now. And you can take multiple priests per squad and have them cast different hymns. That is huge.
1) No assassins. Gawd knows why, probably because they're going to charge us for a separate supplement later;
2) No dedicated IST. Technically you can build them as acolytes, but they're weirdly expensive that way and you they only have basic guardsman stats, when they should be veterans. This was always one of my big gripes with codex GK, if you're going to force us to build them, at least give us the tools to do it;
3) They haven't even included all the Inquistor special characters (e.g. Valeria) they created for codex GK?! There were never any specific models for these, so why not do the cut and paste job thoroughly?! Could possibly have included Rex and Lok from FW too.
4) Finally, and most frustratingly, they've left the henchmen war band as that horrible massive table as per codex GK, with all of the unit descriptions crammed onto a single page. It's a nightmare to try and read. They had to reformat it for ebook/iBook anyway, but they couldn't take the time to just put in a few sub headings?! It would only take a couple of extra pages and make it so much easier to read. Plus it might even make the book feel a little meatier...
Sounds totally worth the 21€ everyone paid for it No IST and no assassins is really weird. Advertising Eisenhorn and then no rules or model is a shame.
10 years ago, this would have been a WD article with "you can attach the Inquisition units to other Imperial armies as well" plus wargear plus warlord tables, 5 pages max.
If this sells well, I guess we will see more of these "pay per unit" releases.
"Oh hey we know you bought the model we just realsed, but you cant play with it since we didn't put the rules in the box"
"So what am i going to do?"
"You can just buy the rules for that single model for $9.99 and have your army just like you want it!"
Probably not but it is fun to rant.
I also had a chance to check the codex from a friend, as a gk player who nearly had the same tools for several years it surely is a lazy ruleset. But for any other imperial army; they can surely use it to add inquisitors with official rules which is nice
Its actually harking back to the older days when we had very small codexes - Assassins, Catachan etc
Codex Assassins only had the four main Temples - now they could have some of the other Temples that have appeared in the fluff - although as they don't have models...............
All in all - disapointed in the Codex - more what it could have been rather than what it is .................
I am not complaining about the lack of Imperial Assassins, nor the lack of units in general; we have inquisitors and their warbands, and that's fine -- or at least it would be if they would've done them properly.
The Inquisitors are a straight copy-paste from the GK book. There is absolutely zero thought put into them, apart from the three relics there are no new options, not even point adjustments. Now that all other codices have armouries and random psychic powers, the Inquisitors are stuck in 5th edition format (now, you could argue that fixed powers is a good thing, but it still shows that they didn't bother to change them to work like the real 6e codices.) We still have three identical inquisitor profiles with mostly identical options. It would have been much easier to have an armoury with some items marked only available for specific Ordos. And it would have been awfully nice if the Inquisitors could have finally taken invulnerable saves. There cannot be any logical reason, either fluff- or balance-wise, for them to not have them, it is just that Ward originally forgot to give them access to such, and whoever copy-pasted this didn't stop to read what he was actually copy-pasting, or think whether any adjustments were needed.
The same problem is repeated in the henchen rules: the same ridiculously expensive armour and weapon options have been copied from the GK book with no thought given to them and with no new options added. (Power armour 10 points, really!) And if the intent was to allow people to make crazy and fluffy warbands, point costs be damned, then at least give Acolytes more options, bolt pistols, autoguns, shotguns, etc. But no,again that would have required something other than a straight copy-paste.
There is also a continuity problem with C:AS, as some things in C:I work differently than in it. Condemnor Boltguns, Crusaders and Death Cult Assassins all work slightly differently in these two books. And again, I don't believe this is any carefully considered revision, merely a product of copy-pasting stuff from the GK book without realising it was changed in newer C:AS.
Oh, and Inquisitor Valeria is not in this book, so the only way to use this famous agent of Ordo Xenos is to field her alongside the Grey Knights of Ordo Malleus. This is also sad because she was one of the few female special characters in the entire 40K. And she was also an Inquisitor with an invulnerable save! Can't have that!
While previous supplements and digital additions to the game may not have been perfect, there has at least been some thought put into them. This book exemplifies every bad thing said about GW supplements, it is an uninspired copy-paste for a quick money-grab.
you can thank the [Mod Edit - Watch the language - Alpharius] at chapterhouse studios for the lack of new units, i'm sure.
It wouldn't work as a white dwarf article though. Not only is white dwarf still a third the price of this, but once it's gone it's gone. At least now you'll always be able to get a copy, people who get into the hobby in a few years time won't be shafted.
davou wrote: Anyone else noticed that the condemnor boltgun on this book says that the target suffers a perils only for unsaved wounds?
Yup. The C:AS epub says the same thing. The iPad version is lagging on the update though.
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Piperi wrote: So, Inquisitor Valeria is not in the book?
Nope. No model = no rules is my guess.
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Necrosis wrote: I have a question. When I take Inquisitors as my primary detachment does he take up one of my HQ slots? As in if I was playing sisters of battle, I could take an Inquisitor as my only HQ and not take any sister HQs?
No. If you take him as your primary detachment he uses his own FOC and is your only mandatory choice for that FOC. The Warbands in the Primary detachment would also be scoring.
Necrosis wrote: If not can I do the following?
Take 2 Inquisitors as my Inquisitor Detachment, take 2 Grey Knight Inquisitors and ally in another Inquisitor for a total of 5 Inquisitors.
Yes. I think. I'm still wrapping my head around the changes to the FOC with this thing honestly.
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Commissar Merces wrote: 1. Did any of the options change for inquisitors? Like can a hereticus inquisitor take rad grenades? Isn't that xenos only?
The Hellfire is back, and the relics are different but no, it's basically the same.
Oh and the Dedicated Transports list is a lot longer now for Warbands.
Commissar Merces wrote: 2. If we already have the grey knights codex, the sisters codex, the guard codex, is this really worth the purchase? Just for artwork, fluff (which can be found online) and warlord traits?
It's artwork, fluff, a unique allies chart, and unique FOC mainly. I recommend it for those who like the sound of it.
Commissar Merces wrote: 3. Is a daemon blade changed at all? Have any other weapon profiles or point costs changed?
sharkticon wrote: A major change no one else seems to have noted yet, the priests are the ones from Codex Adeptus Soritas. Our warbands get war hymns now. And you can take multiple priests per squad and have them cast different hymns. That is huge.
Just because I am ignorant, how do those hyms work again? I think there is one to re-roll wounds, but I heard it was cast not at assault but at an assault sub-phase? Does that mean at the priest's initiative?
1) No assassins. Gawd knows why, probably because they're going to charge us for a separate supplement later;
A codex you won't even have to use. These "mini-dexes" aren't being sold as supplements but as codexes. I'm thinking when it does happen it'll be a return of Codex: Assassins.
Jadenim wrote: 2) No dedicated IST. Technically you can build them as acolytes, but they're weirdly expensive that way and you they only have basic guardsman stats, when they should be veterans. This was always one of my big gripes with codex GK, if you're going to force us to build them, at least give us the tools to do it;
That was an issue I had with C:GKs too.
Jadenim wrote: 3) They haven't even included all the Inquistor special characters (e.g. Valeria) they created for codex GK?! There were never any specific models for these, so why not do the cut and paste job thoroughly?! Could possibly have included Rex and Lok from FW too.
GWDE said they don't have any plans to include FW stuff in any of their books at this point in time. And Valeria looks like a casualty of "no model = no rules" that GW has been doing (we don't even have a female Inquisitor model available anymore).
Jadenim wrote: 4) Finally, and most frustratingly, they've left the henchmen war band as that horrible massive table as per codex GK, with all of the unit descriptions crammed onto a single page. It's a nightmare to try and read. They had to reformat it for ebook/iBook anyway, but they couldn't take the time to just put in a few sub headings?! It would only take a couple of extra pages and make it so much easier to read. Plus it might even make the book feel a little meatier...
I never had any issues with it honestly before and it looked okay to me on my iPad.
sharkticon wrote: A major change no one else seems to have noted yet, the priests are the ones from Codex Adeptus Soritas. Our warbands get war hymns now. And you can take multiple priests per squad and have them cast different hymns. That is huge.
Just because I am ignorant, how do those hyms work again? I think there is one to re-roll wounds, but I heard it was cast not at assault but at an assault sub-phase? Does that mean at the priest's initiative?
It's done at the start of the Fight Sub-Phase so before the I10 stuff occurs.
Crimson wrote: While previous supplements and digital additions to the game may not have been perfect, there has at least been some thought put into them. This book exemplifies every bad thing said about GW supplements, it is an uninspired copy-paste for a quick money-grab.
While I think it is very cool that Inquisitors can now show up in more armies, since they are Battle Brothers with tons of stuff now, you are absolutely right. This "codex" could have been made by one person in one afternoon. So little of it is new or even modified from the GK codex that it is ridiculous.
Jadenim wrote: 3) They haven't even included all the Inquistor special characters (e.g. Valeria) they created for codex GK?! There were never any specific models for these, so why not do the cut and paste job thoroughly?! Could possibly have included Rex and Lok from FW too.
GWDE said they don't have any plans to include FW stuff in any of their books at this point in time. And Valeria looks like a casualty of "no model = no rules" that GW has been doing (we don't even have a female Inquisitor model available anymore).
I was all ready to go "nah-uh there are still lady inquisitors around" but dammit, it looks like you are right! When did they get turfed?
Jadenim wrote: 3) They haven't even included all the Inquistor special characters (e.g. Valeria) they created for codex GK?! There were never any specific models for these, so why not do the cut and paste job thoroughly?! Could possibly have included Rex and Lok from FW too.
GWDE said they don't have any plans to include FW stuff in any of their books at this point in time. And Valeria looks like a casualty of "no model = no rules" that GW has been doing (we don't even have a female Inquisitor model available anymore).
I was all ready to go "nah-uh there are still lady inquisitors around" but dammit, it looks like you are right! When did they get turfed?
A few months at least.
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Oaka wrote: Is it safe to assume that someone who already has the Grey Knights codex can simply add Coteaz to an army and wouldn't need to actually buy this book?
Generally speaking if you want to use the rules of the book you should have the book. Same thing I say about using FW.
I haven't followed the whole digital book thing, but keep seeing ads for preordering the book.
Why preorder a digital book that can never run out and you can just buy it when it comes out.
Genoside07 wrote: I haven't followed the whole digital book thing, but keep seeing ads for preordering the book.
Why preorder a digital book that can never run out and you can just buy it when it comes out.
That's already been covered several times. Basically convenience is a big factor.
Genoside07 wrote: I haven't followed the whole digital book thing, but keep seeing ads for preordering the book.
Why preorder a digital book that can never run out and you can just buy it when it comes out.
In the words of GW Digital Editions...
You don’t have to pre-order if you don’t want to, but if you do it on the iBookstore with the interactive edition, it does mean that your codex downloads automatically, as soon as the book is available, which is kind of cool.
Also, whenever we don’t do pre-orders, people always ask when they can pre-order it – some people just like to pre-order stuff.
It’s kind of like christmas when your present’s under the tree: you can see it, and you have a week to get excited about it, making the opening all the sweeter.
- Eddie
They are quite communicative, actually. You can ask them questions like that on Facebook
pretre wrote: Weird, Coteaz and Karamazov don't have set Warlord Traits.
Cos that would have required actual effort...
I think it's rather a question of “Let's not put anything that would invalidate or even change in any way Codex: Grey Knight, because they are marines so we truly care about them more than we will ever for the Inquisition”-syndrome.
pretre wrote: It is exactly like C:AS in that regard, mostly cut and paste and some new stuff on top.
I has less nerf^w change (Celestine, Acts of Faith, …).
The Inquisition book had a few things to the Inquisitor for Codex: Grey Knight, but as far as I know without modifying anything (except maybe for Priests), and without fixing stuff like the Inquisitors not having access to any kind of field. They definitely should have access to force fields, displacer fields and all that !
davou wrote: Anyone else noticed that the condemnor boltgun on this book says that the target suffers a perils only for unsaved wounds?
They changed it to that in Codex: Adeptus Sororitas too. They thought something potentially powerful was totally unfit to their vision of what Codex: Adepta Sororitas should be !
pretre wrote: Space Wolves shouldn't have been BB with Inquisition.
Neither should Dark Angels, because the rules don't allow to shot Battle Brother allies in the back !
I want to check if I understood everything correctly. Can I have a unit with 2 Inquisitors, one to get scout (Liber Heresius) and one for radiation and psychotrope grenades, along with 7 crusaders (or acolytes with storm-shield, whichever is cheaper), 6 priests that are part of the unit, and one more priest from an allied detachment of Adeptus Sororitas which comes with the Litany that makes War Hymns auto-pass, put that sweet sweet deathstar into a land-raider, and launch maniacally when I scout and then charge my opponent on the first turn of the game with a unit that has not only rerollable 3++ saves and fearless, but also comes 20 reroll to hit, reroll to wound S5 AP2 I3 (and don't forget the -1 T due to the grenade) attacks, 8 reroll to hit, reroll to wound S5 AP4 I3 attacks, 14 reroll to hit, reroll to wound S3 AP3 I3 attacks, and then whatever the two Inquisitors can do ? And if I need high strength, for instance against vehicules, I can get up to 21 S10 reroll to hit attacks (18 if I still want my 3++ to be rerollable) !
I call that CRAZY !
Is the priest from the Sisters of Battle an IC? That works provided the priest IC starts outside of the transport at the start of the game... no wait BB cannot ride in their ally's transport can they? And if you scout and go first on the first turn you aren't allowed to charge.
I think it's funny they're charging 30$ for what could have been a quick FAQ to Codex: GK...
"Instead of the normal ally rules and FOC rules, you may add 0-2 Inquisitors to any Imperial Army that count as Battle Brothers but do not count towards your limit of allies. If you take at least 1 Inquisitor you may also include 0-3 Henchmen Warbands as Elites. Up to 1 Inquisitor taken via this rule may be the armys Warlord despite not being taken from the Primary Detachment"
Kirasu wrote: I think it's funny they're charging 30$ for what could have been a quick FAQ to Codex: GK...
"Instead of the normal ally rules and FOC rules, you may add 0-2 Inquisitors to any Imperial Army that count as Battle Brothers but do not count towards your limit of allies. If you take at least 1 Inquisitor you may also include 0-3 Henchmen Warbands as Elites. Up to 1 Inquisitor taken via this rule may be the armys Warlord despite not being taken from the Primary Detachment"
THAT WILL BE 30$ PLEASE
Well that's what everyone is going to use this new "codex" for, but don't forget, the codex also has priests and a few relics! WOW
Along with the best new feature introduced in 6th, warlord tables! That nobody will use, because why would you ever make your squishy inquisitor with T3 and no invulnerable save a warlord?
But you are technically supposed to have the codex to use the rules from that codex, right? So for tournaments and playing with friends who are sticklers for the rules, you'll need the codex if you want to field Coteaz and/or a random inquisitor in any other imperial army.
Eldarain that's what everyone has been saying. Oh wait, he might have a set warlord trait if you make him your warlord. And I doubt his make henchmen troops power applies to other detachments in your army.
So basically he's still an amazing HQ, that you can now put into ANY imperial army, for 100 points. No troop tax. Can take allies as normal.
Eldarain, troops versus scoring wouldn't have changed anything. They would have had to alter the special FOC in the inquisition codex to let you take more than 3 warbands.
Super Newb wrote: Eldarain, troops versus scoring wouldn't have changed anything. They would have had to alter the special FOC in the inquisition codex to let you take more than 3 warbands.
Genoside07 wrote:I haven't followed the whole digital book thing, but keep seeing ads for preordering the book.
Why preorder a digital book that can never run out and you can just buy it when it comes out.
Because if people fully knew the content by word of mouth, at best 50% would actually buy it
Crimson wrote:While previous supplements and digital additions to the game may not have been perfect, there has at least been some thought put into them. This book exemplifies every bad thing said about GW supplements, it is an uninspired copy-paste for a quick money-grab.
Since I already play GK, I don't really see a reason to get this codex. Unless I am missing something. Can anyone think of any reason for me to get this?
Genoside07 wrote:I haven't followed the whole digital book thing, but keep seeing ads for preordering the book.
Why preorder a digital book that can never run out and you can just buy it when it comes out.
Because if people fully knew the content by word of mouth, at best 50% would actually buy it
Crimson wrote:While previous supplements and digital additions to the game may not have been perfect, there has at least been some thought put into them. This book exemplifies every bad thing said about GW supplements, it is an uninspired copy-paste for a quick money-grab.
Kroot, you're not right all the time. I wouldn't even say you're right half the time. And even less than that if we start looking at your rumor track record.
I think people are missing a key detail here: this isn't mean to be a full codex. About a year ago when rumors were flying for the mini-dexes there were a lot of people excited for the idea, we finally get one and now we have people complaining about it.
The problem is that until Grey Knights get updated GWcan't do a lot with this book that is drastically different. When two books share units the newer book often suffers for it. We're probably lucky Sisters even saw an update to the Arco-flagellants at all because of this.
For what it is, a cheap mini-dex expansion, I dig it. If you can't find use for it, or just don't like the Inquisition (or you're Kroothawk and you don't like anything ), then you can safely give this a pass.
Super Newb wrote: Since I already play GK, I don't really see a reason to get this codex. Unless I am missing something. Can anyone think of any reason for me to get this?
Fluff, art, more FOC slots to put stuff in and access to Ministorum Priests and Valkyries are about the only reasons I guess.
ClockworkZion wrote: We're probably lucky Sisters even saw an update to the Arco-flagellants at all because of this.
Don't forget the awesome DCA “update” that gave us those awesome power swords !
I was thinking more the points drop we saw. And honestly DCA with only swords is something I expected. It means DCA are still good....just less good versus Terminators.
Genoside07 wrote:I haven't followed the whole digital book thing, but keep seeing ads for preordering the book.
Why preorder a digital book that can never run out and you can just buy it when it comes out.
Because if people fully knew the content by word of mouth, at best 50% would actually buy it
Crimson wrote:While previous supplements and digital additions to the game may not have been perfect, there has at least been some thought put into them. This book exemplifies every bad thing said about GW supplements, it is an uninspired copy-paste for a quick money-grab.
Kroot, you're not right all the time. I wouldn't even say you're right half the time. And even less than that if we start looking at your rumor track record.
I think people are missing a key detail here: this isn't mean to be a full codex. About a year ago when rumors were flying for the mini-dexes there were a lot of people excited for the idea, we finally get one and now we have people complaining about it.
The problem is that until Grey Knights get updated GWcan't do a lot with this book that is drastically different. When two books share units the newer book often suffers for it. We're probably lucky Sisters even saw an update to the Arco-flagellants at all because of this.
For what it is, a cheap mini-dex expansion, I dig it. If you can't find use for it, or just don't like the Inquisition (or you're Kroothawk and you don't like anything ), then you can safely give this a pass.
I may be the odd one out, but being that I've been working on digitizing my GW library and don't have the GK dex, this works out fine for me.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I want to check if I understood everything correctly. Can I have a unit with 2 Inquisitors, one to get scout (Liber Heresius) and one for radiation and psychotrope grenades, along with 7 crusaders (or acolytes with storm-shield, whichever is cheaper), 6 priests that are part of the unit, and one more priest from an allied detachment of Adeptus Sororitas which comes with the Litany that makes War Hymns auto-pass, put that sweet sweet deathstar into a land-raider, and launch maniacally when I scout and then charge my opponent on the first turn of the game with a unit that has not only rerollable 3++ saves and fearless, but also comes 20 reroll to hit, reroll to wound S5 AP2 I3 (and don't forget the -1 T due to the grenade) attacks, 8 reroll to hit, reroll to wound S5 AP4 I3 attacks, 14 reroll to hit, reroll to wound S3 AP3 I3 attacks, and then whatever the two Inquisitors can do ? And if I need high strength, for instance against vehicules, I can get up to 21 S10 reroll to hit attacks (18 if I still want my 3++ to be rerollable) !
I call that CRAZY !
It is crazy. Wrong. You can't put battle brothers in transports.
Super Newb wrote: Since I already play GK, I don't really see a reason to get this codex. Unless I am missing something. Can anyone think of any reason for me to get this?
Fluff, art, more FOC slots to put stuff in and access to Ministorum Priests and Valkyries are about the only reasons I guess.
Do I really get more FOC slots though? Not really. I can take more henchmen - I could take 9 henchmen warbands now, but only 6 of them would be scoring, since 3 would still count as elites. Other than that, what? More HQs. 4 HQs. That might be a bit much, but now's it's possible.
Priests would be nice, as would Land Raiders, if I wanted to make some sort of crazy henchmen assault army with 4+ squads like that, lol. But I don't think that's happening for me anytime soon, or ever... and were the DCA / Crusader bombs really underpowered before? Never felt like they needed any buffs....
Got a point about the Valkries but I hate flyers so no good there.
Kroot, you're not right all the time. I wouldn't even say you're right half the time. And even less than that if we start looking at your rumor track record.
I think people are missing a key detail here: this isn't mean to be a full codex. About a year ago when rumors were flying for the mini-dexes there were a lot of people excited for the idea, we finally get one and now we have people complaining about it.
The problem is that until Grey Knights get updated GWcan't do a lot with this book that is drastically different. When two books share units the newer book often suffers for it. We're probably lucky Sisters even saw an update to the Arco-flagellants at all because of this.
For what it is, a cheap mini-dex expansion, I dig it. If you can't find use for it, or just don't like the Inquisition (or you're Kroothawk and you don't like anything ), then you can safely give this a pass.
I agree with you that mini dexes are actually a great idea. The problem is there is nothing for new for rules in this dex, all of them are copy paste from GK and AS codices except for a third of warlord traits in total and 3 artifacts.
I wish it acutally had more units inside, this one feels like an alpha version instead of a full release.
ClockworkZion wrote: Kroot, you're not right all the time. I wouldn't even say you're right half the time. And even less than that if we start looking at your rumor track record.
Really?
pretre wrote: Kroothawk - Total rumors: (3 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS PENDING
ClockworkZion wrote: I think people are missing a key detail here: this isn't mean to be a full codex.
I am somewhat disappointed given the build up to "most customisable characters yet" for inquisitors that only 1 type gets termi armour, only special characters get artificer and some of the weapon options are incredibly limited (only malleus can deepstrike aswell)
However for a small list, and as someone who like inquisition but not GK this mini dex will do me and only cost 16
Kroot, you're not right all the time. I wouldn't even say you're right half the time. And even less than that if we start looking at your rumor track record.
Indeed. He is always predicting the worst, and is usually wrong.
I think people are missing a key detail here: this isn't mean to be a full codex. About a year ago when rumors were flying for the mini-dexes there were a lot of people excited for the idea, we finally get one and now we have people complaining about it.
The problem is that until Grey Knights get updated GWcan't do a lot with this book that is drastically different. When two books share units the newer book often suffers for it. We're probably lucky Sisters even saw an update to the Arco-flagellants at all because of this.
They could have easily added options and adjusted point costs. Different marine codices have similar units priced differently or acting slightly differently all the time. Besides, as GK can also ally with this codes, so GK players could have just taken the new and improved inquisitors as allies like everyone else; they need to do that anyway if they want the only improvements this dex has: the relics or the new priests.
ClockworkZion wrote: Kroot, you're not right all the time. I wouldn't even say you're right half the time. And even less than that if we start looking at your rumor track record.
Really?
pretre wrote: Kroothawk - Total rumors: (3 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS PENDING
Odd because I recall you have this rep for rumors that don't pan out.
Regardless of you're claims though, you're still not right all the time. Like some of your claims about the Sisters codex.
So yes, marketed by GW as a full Codex, iPad version costing as much as the Grey Knight Codex.
You seem to be forgetting Games Workshop Digital Editions saying it was primarilly supposed to be used for allying though you could take it as your primary army (or even on it's own) if you want. And that precedes the WD Daily blog post by over a week. As for the cover, yes it is a Codex, but it's not a full codex and GWDE never claimed that it was supposed to be one.
ClockworkZion wrote: Odd because I recall you have this rep for rumors that don't pan out.
Regardless of you're claims though, you're still not right all the time. Like some of your claims about the Sisters codex.
No, Kroothawk is accurate when he makes rumor predictions. He is inaccurate when he says all sorts of inflammatory gak about upcoming releases that is his speculation. That's different. I did not consider his speculation about Codex: Adepta to be a rumor. Same with this one. Trolling =/ rumor mongering.
ClockworkZion wrote: Odd because I recall you have this rep for rumors that don't pan out.
1.) Memories are sometimes manipulated by feelings 2.) I report a lot of rumours by other people, because I find the early. Doesn't make them "my rumours" because I credit them correctly.
3.) The video was actually a joke. I know that noone is always right, me included.
So yes, marketed by GW as a full Codex, iPad version costing as much as the Grey Knight Codex.
Nowhere in that link does it say it is a full codex. In fact it says exactly what it is, you can make inquisitors and henchmen. It's a good thing I don't track all your statements.
pretre wrote: Nowhere in that link does it say it is a full codex. In fact it says exactly what it is, you can make inquisitors and henchmen. It's a good thing I don't track all your statements.
If a car company sells you a car and you only get the motor, would you accept them saying: "But we didn't say, you get a full car."
It is marketed and named as a Codex, not a half-Codex, proto-Codex or Codex Supplement. Therefore it has to be compared with all other Codices they sell. Correct naming would have been Supplement.
And if you start tracking true and false personal opinions, let me know
Hereticus pay more for a Thunder Hammer than Malleus do for a Nemesis Daemon hammer, despite (as far as I can see) the Daemon Hammer being Thunderhammer+
Ok, I was maybe going to get back into 40k (only played one game of 6th, and did not like it, but then I've not really been a fan of 40k since 2nd ed) with this but from what im hearing it may not be worth it. So can I have an Inquisitor Lord as my HQ some Demon hosts and Assasins as Elites, Stormtroopers as troops in rhinos and some form of tanks as heavy support?
overtyrant wrote: Ok, I was maybe going to get back into 40k (only played one game of 6th, and did not like it, but then I've not really been a fan of 40k since 2nd ed) with this but from what im hearing it may not be worth it. So can I have an Inquisitor Lord as my HQ some Demon hosts and Assasins as Elites, Stormtroopers as troops in rhinos and some form of tanks as heavy support?
You can have an Inquisitor HQ, with upto 3 warbands who if Inquisitor is your primary detachment are scoring. Each warband may have as transport from a variety of choices. You can then ally this into another army.
This codex has no assassins (other than Death cult) and no stormtroopers.
Henchmen warbands are massively customisable and can be used to represent a variety of things (carapace+hotshot acolytes for storm troopers, power+bolters for highly trained operatives, barebones lasguns for fanatics etc) aswell as the massive variety of profiles in a warband (daemon host, assassins (dca), acolytes, jokero, priests, mystics, psykers, crusaders)
pretre wrote: It is crazy. Wrong. You can't put battle brothers in transports.
Even independant characters that joined a embarked unit ? Too bad ! Still, even with a priest from the Inquisition detachment, it stays a very very good choice.
Still not sure a $10 discount is enough to make me buy all the books like I did in previous editions, though. Have to think on that...
