Overread wrote: The real test is how GW will continue to support games like Bloodbowl and keep them current and popular without big model releases. That's going to be a lot easier though now that they've got lots of social media outputs; but its still going to be interesting to see how they do it.
Then again they've still a lot of AoS armies that can slip into Bloodbowl so there's a while yet.
Also lets not forget that hopefully GW's new factory comes online this year or next and that will expand GW's production considerably, esp for specialist games .
Blood Bowl is ALWAYS popular, they have dedicate community that make online game, and even go so far as creating 2 computer games. None of the other community had come even close to this.
But since I just remembered Cyanide leaked BB new edition I think they'll be staying for awhile.
In case anyone was wondering if the Warcry terrain can be mixed with the Azyrite ruins they can but ...
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I've been asked a couple of times if the #warcry ruins fit with the Azyrite ruins & yes they do. They don't have the same push-fit fitting though so you will have to glue them. The reason for the different fittings? So you can put 2 LH or RH pieces together for longer walls #AoS
Overread wrote: The real test is how GW will continue to support games like Bloodbowl and keep them current and popular without big model releases. That's going to be a lot easier though now that they've got lots of social media outputs; but its still going to be interesting to see how they do it.
Then again they've still a lot of AoS armies that can slip into Bloodbowl so there's a while yet.
Also lets not forget that hopefully GW's new factory comes online this year or next and that will expand GW's production considerably, esp for specialist games .
I think the new factory may allow for some new SG capacity hopefully.
As to what they will do once every team is out, I don’t know.
I don’t see AoS being put in, that’s a completely different setting.
Yeah it’s easy enough to do and they can do whatever they want, but BB has quite the following as others have mentioned. Part of that is the setting, I’m just not sure they’d mess with that.
These games are releasing so slowly that maybe by the time they are done, a new edition and then just start re doing the teams if they don’t want to just stop releasing new teams which wouldn’t be too crazy after so many years by then..
I've been asked a couple of times if the #warcry ruins fit with the Azyrite ruins & yes they do. They don't have the same push-fit fitting though so you will have to glue them. The reason for the different fittings? So you can put 2 LH or RH pieces together for longer walls #AoS
I think a big obstacle when it comes to making another Mordheim is that GW no longer supports converting like they used to. Every option in the rules must have a model. Which IMO is a dam shame and holds them back on multiple fronts.
Sasori wrote: I can really get behind how quick these matches are. Will be a nice change of pace instead of having to set aside 3ish hours for AOS games.
Just like old Necromunda, where it took longer for me and my friends to set up the cardstock terrain than actually play the game. We just had far too much fun with it .
NinthMusketeer wrote: I think a big obstacle when it comes to making another Mordheim is that GW no longer supports converting like they used to. Every option in the rules must have a model. Which IMO is a dam shame and holds them back on multiple fronts.
That’s not true for Necromunda, in fact only a fraction of the weapon choices actually have models for each gang. I suppose it’s true for GW main though.
Just talked to the miniatures guy at my LGS. His GW distributor told him that the Warcry booster pack box (18 packs per) is a single print run. When they are out, there will be no more.
Moreover, the box does not come with 2 of each faction. It comes with 1 each of Idoneth, Flesh Eaters and Bonesplitters & 3 each of Stormcast, Nighthaunts and Gitz.
callidusx3 wrote: Just talked to the miniatures guy at my LGS. His GW distributor told him that the Warcry booster pack box (18 packs per) is a single print run. When they are out, there will be no more.
I always thought the AoS factions were little more than an afterthought, but it seems they don't even amount to that lofty of an existence. I'm curious as hell as to how this game will go in the future.
Moreover, the box does not come with 2 of each faction. It comes with 1 each of Idoneth, Flesh Eaters and Bonesplitters & 3 each of Stormcast, Nighthaunts and Gitz.
That jives with the preorder numbers from Miniature Market. It looks some card packs have 50-60 left, while others are in the 30s, with Ironjaws, Flesh Eater Courts, and Bonesplitters basically already being sold out.
I believe the game will get more support later, just like kill team has gotten expansions. The expansions will probably flesh out the units available to the non-chaos warbands which is good for a bunch of them as they only have one or two choices. That would mean new card decks for each faction would be coming and these current ones could become just temporary patches till the full sets are released.
Are there any information about rules for non-choas warbands other than some random stuff at GW's page?
That's a scheme that you don't even now what are you PO?
Theophony wrote: I believe the game will get more support later, just like kill team has gotten expansions. The expansions will probably flesh out the units available to the non-chaos warbands which is good for a bunch of them as they only have one or two choices. That would mean new card decks for each faction would be coming and these current ones could become just temporary patches till the full sets are released.
I'd imagine the opposite with dedicated non chaos teams dropping these cards and the need for nom warcry kits altogether.
I don’t think they’re going to make sculpts for existing warbands here..
More Chaos yeah.
And some factions that don’t have times or support (like rogue traders / Inquisition and such).
Oh but some Stormcast too
Chopstick wrote: Then if the game is popular enough, we'll see GW make a compendium for them or release them as PDF 1 year from now when the new season hit.
To properly follow the Necromunda '17 model, they will need to sell quarterly books that expand the game for at least $30 USD each.
Then after they do that for about a year, they can compile everything, change the campaign system enough that players have to choose the original core book or the better, updated compilation.
The compilation can conveniently leave out some vital information like weapon descriptions and updated warband profiles. Those can be broken into a second book.
Sell both the warband book and the compilation book for around the cost of collecting the quarterly expansions.
Danny76 wrote: I don’t think they’re going to make sculpts for existing warbands here..
On the contrary, it's the perfect place for it when/if they do an "Elites"/"Commanders" styled expansion. DoK don't have a dedicated Hag Queen kit, there's no dedicated Knight-Zephyros for the Vanguard or a Lord-Aquilor on foot, there's room for the Arch-Regent to get a general release, Idoneth could use a cheaper version of the Akhelian King or something between the Lochian Princes(the unit champions of the Akhelian Knight units) and the Kings, and so on and so forth.
I'm having a really hard time believing that the cards are a "one and done" thing. The Core Book doesn't include unit profiles that I saw from flipping through it at my LGS over the weekend, they're either included with the Warbands(Chaos) or these sets.
To properly follow the Necromunda '17 model, they will need to sell quarterly books that expand the game for at least $30 USD each.
I think we can all agree that Necromunda was handled extremely poorly, but Necromunda is Specialist Games, while Warcry is GW proper, and I think we'll see something closer to Kill Team's release schedule - about six months of releases followed by a big box or two, then basically nothing except a book or token release here and there.
Chopstick wrote: Then if the game is popular enough, we'll see GW make a compendium for them or release them as PDF 1 year from now when the new season hit.
To properly follow the Necromunda '17 model, they will need to sell quarterly books that expand the game for at least $30 USD each.
Then after they do that for about a year, they can compile everything, change the campaign system enough that players have to choose the original core book or the better, updated compilation.
The compilation can conveniently leave out some vital information like weapon descriptions and updated warband profiles. Those can be broken into a second book.
Sell both the warband book and the compilation book for around the cost of collecting the quarterly expansions.
They are different game made by different team, thus have different approach on expansion. Warcry would probably see a mix of both WU and KT release for expansion, with new band and book that expand all faction a little. They won't be getting as much book as Necromunda nor they would get a compendium, since KT had not gotten any compendium yet.
Danny76 wrote: I don’t think they’re going to make sculpts for existing warbands here..
On the contrary, it's the perfect place for it when/if they do an "Elites"/"Commanders" styled expansion. DoK don't have a dedicated Hag Queen kit, there's no dedicated Knight-Zephyros for the Vanguard or a Lord-Aquilor on foot, there's room for the Arch-Regent to get a general release, Idoneth could use a cheaper version of the Akhelian King or something between the Lochian Princes(the unit champions of the Akhelian Knight units) and the Kings, and so on and so forth.
I'm having a really hard time believing that the cards are a "one and done" thing. The Core Book doesn't include unit profiles that I saw from flipping through it at my LGS over the weekend, they're either included with the Warbands(Chaos) or these sets.
There’s a lot of models that are needed and could have been released for Kill Team, but they didn’t.
I don’t see why the cards make it look like there’d be more?
Each pack of cards is just a super cheap way to get a whole new faction in without having to produce models (and sell existing kits too).
And if they want to introduce 5 new non Chaos warbands. Well it’s just 5 packs of cards, which again sell themselves and potentially existing models too. For such little cost.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I think a big obstacle when it comes to making another Mordheim is that GW no longer supports converting like they used to. Every option in the rules must have a model. Which IMO is a dam shame and holds them back on multiple fronts.
That’s not true for Necromunda, in fact only a fraction of the weapon choices actually have models for each gang. I suppose it’s true for GW main though.
Ah, I did not know that and it gives me some small hope, thank you.
I don't think the reason for GW not wanting to make another Mordheim is a question about supporting conversions or not. You can actually make it work while keeping it simple and not going into detail about the weapon. It's just a design choice about keeping the campaign system very basic as well. I guess GW's reasoning is that if the base is a skeleton, it makes it easier to add extra rules afterwards - for future extensions but also for players to make their own deeper system.
While not a knock on GW...the reality is that GW's sales philosophy now is to find a way to sell you every single component of the game. That's how they can make more money off of a game. When they were a smaller company they were more passionate about games and had big dreams...but they couldn't sell you all that stuff, so it was very much "here's a White Dwarf article on how to make your own!" etc.
They've seen the success of companies like FFG etc. who can sell you dice, tokens, cards, etc. Any expansions will not be written books, but rather physical items you buy to expand the game. They've already dove hard in on that for Blackstone Fortress, etc.
Having a lengthier, deeper, more open-ended campaign is bad for GW if it doesn't generate sales. So expect expansion packs, tournament packs, season packs, etc. etc. etc. They know peripherals are easy ways to generate a lot more income. They've no interest in you playing a game long-term unless you're still buying product for that game. It's akin to the automobile revolution in the early 90's when companies realized cars were becoming too good. They want to sell you another car, not have you drive around in one for 1,000,000 miles.
GW isn't making games for people to play 15-20 years from now (as you see large communities for the old WHQ, Mordheim, Necromunda etc.) because those communities aren't spending money at the GW store. This is not meant as a critique, it's a simple business observation.
Much like Necromunda (which, with few exceptions was extremely limited on wargear - you had to wait for the Gang War book which accompanied your Forgeworld weapon sprue releases to even add them to your gang), if GW wants you to have different weapons and items on your minis...they're damn well going to sell you those weapons/items and you won't be using them until that happens.
No rule for the optional build? and girl with throwing stars?
If the throwing star girl supposed to be the same as the 75 pts dude, then I might jump into the GMG complaint band wagon about unclear depiction of fighter on the card
I understand the lack of words on the card, but still find it mildly annoying. The name of the type of model it is not being present will lead to lots of "my leader dude attacks your grunt dude with spear" talk in game as you struggle to remember what they are called.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: I understand the lack of words on the card, but still find it mildly annoying. The name of the type of model it is not being present will lead to lots of "my leader dude attacks your grunt dude with spear" talk in game as you struggle to remember what they are called.
Can't even tell the Cypher lord's unit name from their headdress. The "mirrorblade" and "mindbound" have the same headdress. and the throwing star girl also called "Mindbound" but she had a different headdress???
Can't even tell the Cypher lord's unit name from their headdress. The "mirrorblade" and "mindbound" have the same headdress. and the throwing star girl also called "Mindbound" but she had a different headdress???
Yes you can.
The Mirrorblades have tall headdresses (they also have breastplates by the way) and the Mindbound have broad headdresses.
This makes the Luminate a bit tricky, since she has a broad headdress and a breastplate. But she is recognizable by her weapon and more elaborate headdress.
Also the Luminate and Mirrorblades are on 28mm bases while the Mindbound are on 25mm bases. The Thrallmaster is on a 32mm base.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: I understand the lack of words on the card, but still find it mildly annoying. The name of the type of model it is not being present will lead to lots of "my leader dude attacks your grunt dude with spear" talk in game as you struggle to remember what they are called.
No amount of seeing GW's ultra-trademarkable names helps me remember them, so... I'm good.
Can't even tell the Cypher lord's unit name from their headdress. The "mirrorblade" and "mindbound" have the same headdress. and the throwing star girl also called "Mindbound" but she had a different headdress???
Yes you can.
The Mirrorblades have tall headdresses (they also have breastplates by the way) and the Mindbound have broad headdresses.
This makes the Luminate a bit tricky, since she has a broad headdress and a breastplate. But she is recognizable by her weapon and more elaborate headdress.
Also the Luminate and Mirrorblades are on 28mm bases while the Mindbound are on 25mm bases. The Thrallmaster is on a 32mm base.
Nah I just figure out the Warcry website warband depiction is trash.... "Mindbound with double blade sword" is the girl, not that dude.
Chopstick wrote: Nah I just figure out the Warcry website warband depiction is trash.... "Mindbound with double blade sword" is the girl, not that dude.
Yup, exactly.
The model they show with the text "Mindbound with Double-Bladed Sword" appears to actually be a Mirrorblade with Glaive.
They also completely forgot about the Beastspeaker being part of the Untamed Beasts warband, so their track record is not great...
While Warcry is set in the Chaos-tainted wastes of the Eightpoints, the game is for every Grand Alliance. Order, Death and Destruction are well represented with 3 warbands apiece, each offering new tactical challenges. We’ll be adding more warbands to the game in future, too!
So most armies should get warband cards at some point (and it wouldn't surprise me if Stormcast get more than 1)
Would love Liberator and Judicator cards for Warcry that would allow me to use my current Stormcast models in this game rather than just picking up a few more Vanguard to fill out my Shadespire Warband in Warcry.
Should be interesting to see where the rest of the factions go from here
While Warcry is set in the Chaos-tainted wastes of the Eightpoints, the game is for every Grand Alliance. Order, Death and Destruction are well represented with 3 warbands apiece, each offering new tactical challenges. We’ll be adding more warbands to the game in future, too!
So most armies should get warband cards at some point (and it wouldn't surprise me if Stormcast get more than 1)
We already know about 2 more Chaos warbands. Everything else is wishful thinking.
Also lets not forget that hopefully GW's new factory comes online this year or next and that will expand GW's production considerably, esp for specialist games .
They will have a new factory? That is good news. I just assumed they were expanding their staff.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: I understand the lack of words on the card, but still find it mildly annoying. The name of the type of model it is not being present will lead to lots of "my leader dude attacks your grunt dude with spear" talk in game as you struggle to remember what they are called.
No amount of seeing GW's ultra-trademarkable names helps me remember them, so... I'm good.
Never a truer word spoken. Sometimes I think that GW losing the Chapterhouse case, made the fanbase the overall losers.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: I understand the lack of words on the card, but still find it mildly annoying. The name of the type of model it is not being present will lead to lots of "my leader dude attacks your grunt dude with spear" talk in game as you struggle to remember what they are called.
No amount of seeing GW's ultra-trademarkable names helps me remember them, so... I'm good.
Never a truer word spoken. Sometimes I think that GW losing the Chapterhouse case, made the fanbase the overall losers.
That was an industry wide thing. Wizards of the Coast did it in D&D 4e (and Magic) around the same time. The entire gaming industry was pretty convinced that AdjectiveNoun Color/AdjectiveNoun was a foolproof way to secure an IP. Instead it made it easier to argue that someone was just making generic public domain <nouns> that had nothing to do with a company's super special snowflake AdjectiveNouns, though obviously a customer could use them in any number of popular games. But generally people are hyper focused on having official products or absurdly cheap counterfeits, so it isn't exactly a license to print money
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: I understand the lack of words on the card, but still find it mildly annoying. The name of the type of model it is not being present will lead to lots of "my leader dude attacks your grunt dude with spear" talk in game as you struggle to remember what they are called.
No amount of seeing GW's ultra-trademarkable names helps me remember them, so... I'm good.
Never a truer word spoken. Sometimes I think that GW losing the Chapterhouse case, made the fanbase the overall losers.
That was an industry wide thing. Wizards of the Coast did it in D&D 4e (and Magic) around the same time. The entire gaming industry was pretty convinced that AdjectiveNoun Color/AdjectiveNoun was a foolproof way to secure an IP. Instead it made it easier to argue that someone was just making generic public domain <nouns> that had nothing to do with a company's super special snowflake AdjectiveNouns, though obviously a customer could use them in any number of popular games. But generally people are hyper focused on having official products or absurdly cheap counterfeits, so it isn't exactly a license to print money
End of the day it did not help anyone; the customers did not benefit, the companies did not benefit. It was eating two-week old tex-mex that gave us all horrid diarrhea and didn't even taste good.
While Warcry is set in the Chaos-tainted wastes of the Eightpoints, the game is for every Grand Alliance. Order, Death and Destruction are well represented with 3 warbands apiece, each offering new tactical challenges. We’ll be adding more warbands to the game in future, too!
So most armies should get warband cards at some point (and it wouldn't surprise me if Stormcast get more than 1)
We already know about 2 more Chaos warbands. Everything else is wishful thinking.
While Warcry is set in the Chaos-tainted wastes of the Eightpoints, the game is for every Grand Alliance. Order, Death and Destruction are well represented with 3 warbands apiece, each offering new tactical challenges. We’ll be adding more warbands to the game in future, too!
So most armies should get warband cards at some point (and it wouldn't surprise me if Stormcast get more than 1)
We already know about 2 more Chaos warbands. Everything else is wishful thinking.
Three more Chaos warbands..
Though I agree it could be wishful thinking for ‘most armies’ to get one.
It certainly will be more than three still to reveal.
As they said they are adding more in the future. Where as those have already been ‘added’ to the game, just without the models shown yet.
Danny76 wrote: They haven’t said a name yet I don’t think.
There’s 9 in the book, I did post this several pages back then again a time or two, just seems to keep getting missed or ignored..
I looked as far back as this post and all I saw was you speculating there would be nine Chaos warbands since there will be nine non-Chaos warbands. Since GW already revealed the Spire Tyrants and the Scions of the Flame will be represented in the game I see no reason to believe there's a third warband hidden in the rulebook we've not heard of.
Danny76 wrote: 8 would if they were based on the 8 realms, but as we know there is only 7 based on that...
Anyway, the Warcry rulebook has rules for 9 Chaos and 9 other Grand Alliance warbands..
I meant This post.
And then the one following was just saying I want to see the models for them
Automatically Appended Next Post: Other comments may have been in the general AoS thread to be fair, hard to keep track..
Also, I hadn’t noticed GW had mentioned the two names, I thought that was only the pictures someone took of a couple of pages..
Danny76 wrote: 8 would if they were based on the 8 realms, but as we know there is only 7 based on that...
Anyway, the Warcry rulebook has rules for 9 Chaos and 9 other Grand Alliance warbands..
I meant This post.
And then the one following was just saying I want to see the models for them
Automatically Appended Next Post: Other comments may have been in the general AoS thread to be fair, hard to keep track..
Also, I hadn’t noticed GW had mentioned the two names, I thought that was only the pictures someone took of a couple of pages..
Reviewers and stores have their copies of the game now, if there was another Chaos warband in there we’d have seen it by now. The Warcry rulebook doesn’t even have the warband rules in as far as I know, they’re all on the cards with the core rules being in the book.
Danny76 wrote: 8 would if they were based on the 8 realms, but as we know there is only 7 based on that...
Anyway, the Warcry rulebook has rules for 9 Chaos and 9 other Grand Alliance warbands..
I meant This post.
And then the one following was just saying I want to see the models for them
Automatically Appended Next Post: Other comments may have been in the general AoS thread to be fair, hard to keep track..
Also, I hadn’t noticed GW had mentioned the two names, I thought that was only the pictures someone took of a couple of pages..
Reviewers and stores have their copies of the game now, if there was another Chaos warband in there we’d have seen it by now. The Warcry rulebook doesn’t even have the warband rules in as far as I know, they’re all on the cards with the core rules being in the book.
Yeah, they’ve made mistakes on the website before. People have the book, and showed us the extra 2 Chaos warbands that we didn’t know about. They’d have shown us the 3rd if there was one.
There’s already Stormcast, and they wouldn’t be Chaos.
i think that was intended as a joke given how much Stormcasts get including multiple Underworld warbands.
I came across this article for assembling the terrain in the box set as the instructions don't actually show you how to assemble the terrain to match the cards. There's a few pieces that should not be glued in place that aren't obvious.
Danny76 wrote: 8 would if they were based on the 8 realms, but as we know there is only 7 based on that...
Anyway, the Warcry rulebook has rules for 9 Chaos and 9 other Grand Alliance warbands..
I meant This post.
And then the one following was just saying I want to see the models for them
Automatically Appended Next Post: Other comments may have been in the general AoS thread to be fair, hard to keep track..
Also, I hadn’t noticed GW had mentioned the two names, I thought that was only the pictures someone took of a couple of pages..
The last realm is Sigmar's one, I don't think there will be a chaos warband coming from there.
There’s already Stormcast, and they wouldn’t be Chaos.
i think that was intended as a joke given how much Stormcasts get including multiple Underworld warbands.
Yes, you are correct!
I'm not a fan of stormcasts at the expense of mortal humans. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of empowered humans who can go too to toe with chaos brutes, but I wish they weren't so obviously Space Marines.
Danny76 wrote: 8 would if they were based on the 8 realms, but as we know there is only 7 based on that...
Anyway, the Warcry rulebook has rules for 9 Chaos and 9 other Grand Alliance warbands..
I meant This post.
And then the one following was just saying I want to see the models for them
Automatically Appended Next Post: Other comments may have been in the general AoS thread to be fair, hard to keep track..
Also, I hadn’t noticed GW had mentioned the two names, I thought that was only the pictures someone took of a couple of pages..
The last realm is Sigmar's one, I don't think there will be a chaos warband coming from there.
That’s exactly what I say.
We know there is only 7 based on that.
Wasn’t there talk of what it possibly might be a few pages back.
Can’t remember the assumptions for it based on the name now..
Danny76 wrote: 8 would if they were based on the 8 realms, but as we know there is only 7 based on that...
Anyway, the Warcry rulebook has rules for 9 Chaos and 9 other Grand Alliance warbands..
I meant This post.
And then the one following was just saying I want to see the models for them
Automatically Appended Next Post: Other comments may have been in the general AoS thread to be fair, hard to keep track..
Also, I hadn’t noticed GW had mentioned the two names, I thought that was only the pictures someone took of a couple of pages..
The last realm is Sigmar's one, I don't think there will be a chaos warband coming from there.
That’s exactly what I say.
We know there is only 7 based on that.
Wasn’t there talk of what it possibly might be a few pages back.
Can’t remember the assumptions for it based on the name now..
Oh snap, I shouldn't have preordered the Cypher Lords. Quite the explosive realease, I think the fear that this will be Necromunda'd can now be put to rest.
GoatboyBeta wrote: The terrain box looks like its two Shattered Temple sets plus the statue and bridge sprues from the Enduring Stormvault.
It might not be quite 2 shattered temples as it looks like you only get 8 Columns rather than 16 but as only 2 are visible it’s hard to tell but it’s still a better deal than buying 2 temples for the same price
GoatboyBeta wrote: The terrain box looks like its two Shattered Temple sets plus the statue and bridge sprues from the Enduring Stormvault.
It might not be quite 2 shattered temples as it looks like you only get 8 Columns rather than 16 but as only 2 are visible it’s hard to tell but it’s still a better deal than buying 2 temples for the same price
Might be as few as 4 pillars. After the Mausoleum, don't assume the box contains anything not on the cover pic.
GoatboyBeta wrote: The terrain box looks like its two Shattered Temple sets plus the statue and bridge sprues from the Enduring Stormvault.
It might not be quite 2 shattered temples as it looks like you only get 8 Columns rather than 16 but as only 2 are visible it’s hard to tell but it’s still a better deal than buying 2 temples for the same price
Might be as few as 4 pillars. After the Mausoleum, don't assume the box contains anything not on the cover pic.
There's 6 on view (just about) in the these images of the Shattered Stormvault which is what makes me think there's 8 in the box
Losing 4 pillars for 2 statues, 2 bridges and the base board compared to two normal boxes isn't an early Kill Zone level deal, but it's not terrible. Will probably pick one up for the gorgeous board, eventhough I can make all the zigguraths I want for free on my foam cutter.
Losing 4 pillars for 2 statues, 2 bridges and the base board compared to two normal boxes isn't an early Kill Zone level deal, but it's not terrible. Will probably pick one up for the gorgeous board, eventhough I can make all the zigguraths I want for free on my foam cutter.
That board is probably the nicest looking one GW has ever produced. I'll also probably be picking this up exactly for the same reason as you, haha.
I'm really happy they are putting out the other three warbands within the month of release, it's a great way to have people, you know, actually play the game. It seems GW learned from the Necro release.
but when they drop the remaining stuff (2 weeks time?) and then have nothing for 3 months I bet we'll see a lot of complaints that they're killing the game, have abandoned it etc
(although the lack of rules conflicts, changes and all around typos is a big plus because even by GW standards Necromunda has been poor for that)
but when they drop the remaining stuff (2 weeks time?) and then have nothing for 3 months I bet we'll see a lot of complaints that they're killing the game, have abandoned it etc
(although the lack of rules conflicts, changes and all around typos is a big plus because even by GW standards Necromunda has been poor for that)
Aye but lets not forget GW can also give it a new lease of life when they get one warband up to AoS level numbers and show off what you can do in AoS with them in a Slaves army. Even without launching the Slaves battletome they can market those warbands as more models for the range.
I honestly think we will see at least one of the other 2 warbands later this year. Then probably another in jan/feb. Plus it seems obvious they would do some cards for kairic acolytes and khorne warriors.
Considering there is a campaign starting up august 10, having all 6 chaos warbands out feels good. Otherwise only 3 warbands and two of them only in the starter is not a good way to jumpstart a game. At least this way there is plenty of variety with people to play with early on.
Going to an expensive few weeks with all the warbands releasing, scenery, Necromunda enforcers, plus with GenCon and who knows what sales that entails... glad I actually planned ahead for once!
Those Crows are really growing on me. Barzam said he's going to get some, but hopefully I'll beat him to the punch and we can have Chaos Science Ninja Teams fighting each other in the near tuture.
For me warbands like the Crows and the Unmade look great as warbands for Warcry visually. Whilst bands like Iron Golems and Untamed look better for bulking up into 30ish man units for an army.
I'm very happy they're releasing my three favourite warbands so quickly. Going to grab the Splintered Fangs first, they're the most stylish clan in my opinion, and their cards look great too.
Played the game last saturday with simplified rules and loved it. It's straightforward but really fun, and it even looks balanced. Of course it's hard to say with one game, but we had to mark points by killing enemy models and we had a draw.
Thargrim wrote: I honestly think we will see at least one of the other 2 warbands later this year. .
I really expect to see them released together, like this bunch- they're not doing a dribble release for Warcry. Maybe not for a while though, otherwise we'd have seen something.
So probably both bands and a terrain pack well into Octoberish.
There’s already Stormcast, and they wouldn’t be Chaos.
Chaos Sigmarines, with added spikes
First we will see Chaos Sigmarines - Sigmar's finest corrupted by the dark powers of chaos - Stormcast with spikes
Then we'll see Death Sigmarines - Sigmar's finest stolen and corrupted by Nagash's dark powers - Stormcast with skull heads
Then - then - we'll se Sigmarines who lost their sanity and gave into their wild inner self - creating - Destruction "Orruk" Sigmarines - Stormcast without armour!
Then there will be a new edition and Sigmar will reunite all the stormcast under the Storm Grand Alliance!
There’s already Stormcast, and they wouldn’t be Chaos.
Chaos Sigmarines, with added spikes
First we will see Chaos Sigmarines - Sigmar's finest corrupted by the dark powers of chaos - Stormcast with spikes
Then we'll see Death Sigmarines - Sigmar's finest stolen and corrupted by Nagash's dark powers - Stormcast with skull heads
Then - then - we'll se Sigmarines who lost their sanity and gave into their wild inner self - creating - Destruction "Orruk" Sigmarines - Stormcast without armour!
Then there will be a new edition and Sigmar will reunite all the stormcast under the Storm Grand Alliance!
Once that's completed they will.then launch a spin off, "spacecasts" !
There’s already Stormcast, and they wouldn’t be Chaos.
Chaos Sigmarines, with added spikes
First we will see Chaos Sigmarines - Sigmar's finest corrupted by the dark powers of chaos - Stormcast with spikes
Then we'll see Death Sigmarines - Sigmar's finest stolen and corrupted by Nagash's dark powers - Stormcast with skull heads
Then - then - we'll se Sigmarines who lost their sanity and gave into their wild inner self - creating - Destruction "Orruk" Sigmarines - Stormcast without armour!
Then there will be a new edition and Sigmar will reunite all the stormcast under the Storm Grand Alliance!
I don’t know. Technically speaking we have already seen the first two in reverse, Tornus and the other Redeemed becoming Stormcast. The Anvils of the Heldenhammer were all dead spirits who became Stormcast
There’s already Stormcast, and they wouldn’t be Chaos.
Chaos Sigmarines, with added spikes
First we will see Chaos Sigmarines - Sigmar's finest corrupted by the dark powers of chaos - Stormcast with spikes
Then we'll see Death Sigmarines - Sigmar's finest stolen and corrupted by Nagash's dark powers - Stormcast with skull heads
Then - then - we'll se Sigmarines who lost their sanity and gave into their wild inner self - creating - Destruction "Orruk" Sigmarines - Stormcast without armour!
Then there will be a new edition and Sigmar will reunite all the stormcast under the Storm Grand Alliance!
I don’t know. Technically speaking we have already seen the first two in reverse, Tornus and the other Redeemed becoming Stormcast. The Anvils of the Heldenhammer were all dead spirits who became Stormcast
There was a 'Deathcast Eternal' in one of the novels, he was essentially a Knight of Shrouds in plate armor. There is also one case of a Skaven replicating the process on himself so that he could gain the same immortality SCE have (as in lightning back to base and reform) but he is a demigod-status individual and would be unlikely to share that even if he could.
Looking at the Daughters of Khaine cards it looks like Sisters of Slaughter are the better option over regular Witch Aelves for 10 points more they get range 2 attacks and crits of 4 rather than 3.
I think I’ll be trying out the following
Blood Sister Gorgai ( Leader)
Khinerai Heartrender
Blood Sister
4 SoS with whips and bucklers
1 SoS with whip and knife
1000 points exactly. Everything has range 2 or more.
Thanks for the Twitter link. Good to know what I still need to assemble to get playing right away on Saturday.
I'm of two minds about the points cost. On the one hand, I think the slight points increase of Sisters of Slaughter over Witch Elves is actually sensible. At eight wounds they are pretty fragile and any increase in offensive power cannot be valued too highly because it's just as easy to lose the more expensive model as it is to lose the cheaper one.
On the other hand, Warcry's complete lack of equipment options and relatively high points values coupled with the fact Sisters of Slaughter are a straight upgrade means whenever you end up a few points short of 1000 there's never any reason not to upgrade to them. That's not exactly good game design in my opinion.
Edit: That said, Warcry is kind of boardgamey and Daughters of Khaine seem to be at the upper end of unit variety. The core stats are probably too simplistic to support that many units in a single faction without overlap.
Expensive as expected but I did not expect 150 points for Gryph hounds that really limits their numbers at least Aetherwings at 45 points allow for some filler.
Expensive as expected but I did not expect 150 points for Gryph hounds that really limits their numbers at least Aetherwings at 45 points allow for some filler.
Surely all you need is 6 Gryph Hounds and 2 Aeatherwings - 990 points!
Baragash wrote: Dark Sphere in London have just posted that the GW Trade Division have sold out of starter sets and not getting restocked in the near future.
I'm honestly not surprised, I figured it would sell really well. Glad that my starter from Firestorm is now listed as picked! Hopefully some of the trade division running out is them selling trade for launch day sales not just filling pre-orders.
Not getting stocked in the "near future" means its possible they could get restocked one day; but at the same time it might just be the standard cover-all answer without committing to anything either way. That said the cards and rules are all out there on their own so GW can always move the starter terrain to its own box along with the warbands in their own box; which would leave the starter purely as a nice cheap entry point.
Just seen a post on Darksphere Facebook, saying they have limited numbers of WARCRY coresets, and that they don't expect any more stock for the for the foreseeable
GW being all schitzophrenic again, marketing this as the hottest thing ever while simultaneously thinking it won't sell and massively underprinting it.
lord_blackfang wrote: GW being all schitzophrenic again, marketing this as the hottest thing ever while simultaneously thinking it won't sell and massively underprinting it.
Just because its the "hottest thing ever" doesn't mean GW can just produce an insane amount of product. They have to measure their actual real expectations for sale and their production and storage and postage situation. The last thing they want to do is overproduce and get left sitting there with dozens of unsold boxes; or have the product overfly the individual content release dates. Ergo when Untamed and Golems come on individual box sale along with the terrain pack GW wants those to sell not just have everyone getting the core set and ignoring the extras.
Plus there are practical limits for how much stock they can produce in a given time frame and store within that time frame before the costs outweigh the benefits for them.
Plus don't forget the cards, book and even the ruler are all on individual sale and there's a terrain (with cards) pack, and there's 2 more warbands coming on pre-order very soon so even if they sell out of core boxes, they still have more than enough means for people to get involved.
Unmade article.
Can spam low rank fighters and render opposition immobile on doubles. That's pretty crazy. Based on the weapon profiles they're showing off, they also go in for crit fishing, which personally I dislike the randomness of that approach.
and unlike a 40K or AoS starter when the Warcry box is broken up for re-sale that's a significant chunk of all a customer has to buy
At best they hope to sell you a 2nd box of iron golems or beastie boys to fill out your 20 and maybe a bit more terrain
with a broken up 40K starter they hope that you're buying a lot more primeris, lots more terrain for a larger table etc
although selling out quite so soon is probably not ideal (unless its another titanicus GM edition issue with them planning to restock but unable to do so for 6 months becauses of all the other stuff in the pipeline)
Unmade article.
Can spam low rank fighters and render opposition immobile on doubles. That's pretty crazy. Based on the weapon profiles they're showing off, they also go in for crit fishing, which personally I dislike the randomness of that approach.
Wow they just skipped Cypher Lords warband focus.
Lots of band rely on crit, Cypher Lord for example. The long weapon poking unmade with only 2 attack won't be critting much. But they'll help buying sometimes for the leader to isolate and kill off other targets.
It's probably time that people stop thinking about starter sets for anything other than 40K and AoS,
all the rest need to be considered short term story discount boxes, so blightwar, shadowspear, the Warcry 'starter' box, Adeptus titanicus grand master box etc
it's all to easy to think of them as starters that should (and will be around) until the edition change, but that's not just the business model they're running with
I wish they stuck around longer than they are doing at the moment (blightwar was around long enough, that I missed out was down to me, shadowspear not so much),
but it's hard to decide if that's down to higher demand for some stuff, lower level of production down to capacity issues (they are working to fix both the electricity issue and the production and warehouse space),
or to them deciding deliberately they are making less either becauce they underestimated demand, or because they chose not to supply it at a discount (especially if they see a flood of broken boxes on ebay which we certainly do) and will hope people pick stuff up at full price in individual boxes
ecurtz wrote: That Nightmarish Visage ability for the Unmade is obscene. Warband wide 66% chance to disable enemy movement on a double...
You'll be able to use it on a maximum of three models per turn, and getting that many doubles is unlikely. And you're even less likely to have initiative in the event. And you won't use those dice on other abilities. And it'S not guaranteed to work even if you use it.
Now don't get me wrong, it's a powerful ability and I don't foresee enjoying being on the receiving end of it, but I think because of the way resource generation in Warcry works you can't just use it to lock down a substantial number of models. You'll have to be in the right place at the right time and you'll want to pick your target well. That's decision making during the game, and I approve of mechanics that enable that kind of play.
You're probably not going to have a good time against Unmade if you play a small elite force, though.
Don't forget the rules and cards are on individual sale at the launch time, this suggests that GW were going to exceed their production of core boxes. Also there's one terrain set this week and another next week on pre-order (along with more warbands). So really if you want to get involved you're not kept out; its just if you want the big discount box that you're blocked if you don't get one soon.
That's not a bad thing. I think the starter sets for games like AoS and 40K work well because they contain only a small fraction of the whole army, whilst for games like Warcry it contains the whole game. So there's far less for the average person to expand into in comparison unless they are the sort who "collects everything".
So it makes sense to have smaller block productions of the core discount sets and to use them to jump start popularity at the local level. The only issue I have is when core mechanic elements (like cards) vanish from sale.
You're probably not going to have a good time against Unmade if you play a small elite force, though.
At the same time the Unmade are not that high on hit points; so whilst they can lock you down, anything that isn't locked down is likely going to hurt them a lot. The trick will be not splitting up so much that you leave yourself vulnerable to being picked off one by one.
From what I gathered and from the Nighthaunt cards I got today, it seems the non Warcry-specific armies range between disappointing and good. I think it's a nice thing, as I feared that they would be stupidly good and that we'd never see the unique bands just because they're not at the level of the generic ones.
Zarbags Gitz comes to 715 pts. using Zarbag as a Boss and squigs are pricey at 140 pts. each. Use 1 Squig add 1 Squighopper and 1 Boingrot Bounder and you have a 995 point Warband.
Zarbags Gitz comes to 715 pts. using Zarbag as a Boss and squigs are pricey at 140 pts. each. Use 1 Squig add 1 Squighopper and 1 Boingrot Bounder and you have a 995 point Warband.
So why use Storm Fire instead of the Double that give +1 attack?
So why use Storm Fire instead of the Double that give +1 attack?
High Tide requires it to be turn 3, assuming that's what you're talking about?
Storm Fire is also exclusive on the Reavers(bowmen) while Sweeping Blows is on the Thralls.
So why use Storm Fire instead of the Double that give +1 attack?
High Tide requires it to be turn 3, assuming that's what you're talking about?
Storm Fire is also exclusive on the Reavers(bowmen) while Sweeping Blows is on the Thralls.
No the universal ability : Onslaught (double) : you get +1 attack this activation
Is there any extra restriction on Onslught that I didn't know of?
So why use Storm Fire instead of the Double that give +1 attack?
High Tide requires it to be turn 3, assuming that's what you're talking about?
Storm Fire is also exclusive on the Reavers(bowmen) while Sweeping Blows is on the Thralls.
No the universal ability : Onslaught (double) : you get +1 attack this activation
Is there any extra restriction on Onslught that I didn't know of?
I legitimately don't know. I haven't looked at any of the Universals, but I was under the impression that anything special had a rune associated with it that would be on the card?
I legitimately don't know. I haven't looked at any of the Universals, but I was under the impression that anything special had a rune associated with it that would be on the card?
Looking at the "non chaos" factions, I was wondering if some of the cards could be used as more "chaotic beasts" - squigs, gryphhounds, even skeletons and nighthaunts could easily be played as "wandering monsters" and, why not, be used as thralls by the chaos warbands the same way for furies and chaos chickens - I mean raptoryxes.
A large percentage of all faction abilities are just slightly stronger/cheaper versions of the generic 5, usually at the cost of being more circumstantial. No surprise that they just forgot the upside one time and just put in the downside.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: It's probably time that people stop thinking about starter sets for anything other than 40K and AoS,
all the rest need to be considered short term story discount boxes, so blightwar, shadowspear, the Warcry 'starter' box, Adeptus titanicus grand master box etc
it's all to easy to think of them as starters that should (and will be around) until the edition change, but that's not just the business model they're running with
I wish they stuck around longer than they are doing at the moment (blightwar was around long enough, that I missed out was down to me, shadowspear not so much),
but it's hard to decide if that's down to higher demand for some stuff, lower level of production down to capacity issues (they are working to fix both the electricity issue and the production and warehouse space),
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or to them deciding deliberately they are making less either becauce they underestimated demand, or because they chose not to supply it at a discount (especially if they see a flood of broken boxes on ebay which we certainly do) and will hope people pick stuff up at full price in individual boxes
It is the new GW norm. I wouldn't try to think about it too much as it doesn't make any sense. Any other planning personal who failed so epically would be fired but it has been continuous like this. My guess is they don't want to have to store it or keep the sku's on hand so they make X amount where X is a set amount to indicate one run. So if one run is 10,000 units then that is what it is. it goes from production every place gets 1-3 boxes and done. Atleast that is how it has been. Might be a few vendors who have more then 3 allotment but doubtful. For Warcry they might do a double or triple run of the amount they put out for the other box sets as they said they would have them "in stock" which only means they have to make more then the preorders realistically. I don't anticipate them lasting either way, despite what all the prophet fanboys say.
I wonder if my Warcry stuff arrives today, the store sent it out yesterday. I got stuff before Saturday from them already, so
why not Warcry too. Would be nice, as I'm away tomorrow.
I really want to preorder the upcoming bands as well, but they're a bit SOON, actually, I won't even have all the *terrain* build in a week.
PS: I'm still slaving away on a band of Egyptian "gladiators" -with animal masks like ye olde gods- fighting in the pits of Sigmars cities, though they're probably a Tzeentch cult. Besides the fact that the Cypher Lords are thematically very much like them now, I have trouble to find some more interesting bodyshapes to use. Everyone is supposed to have a different height and body type. It's surprisingly HARD to find a more classic sized GW male human without a shirt (so no Bloodreavers or Kairics, they're alteady in the huuuge group by height) The flagellant kit is semi-decent, but I already have ripped dudes en masse (based on electropriest, Exalted Deathbringer, Slaughterpriest and Thaumaturge plus Warboss). Now I'm looking at Ratskins (lotsa guns, though, and the cooler ones are pricey) and poxwalkers sans horns and boils. Mordheim gladiators (those with the crazy helmets) are out, because they're horrible sculpts). Any ideas besides maybe plundering my new Warcry bands - if they're not all huuuge, too, my GW didn't have the running peasant nearby for scale purposes.
I would have pointed to Flagellants tbh. Sly Marbo (but also ripped)?
Or Beastmen Ungors, with legs and heads swapped out? The metal ones are probably better, but that's much harder than finding or converting the newer plastics and a few of those might work.
Binabik15 wrote: PS: I'm still slaving away on a band of Egyptian "gladiators" -with animal masks like ye olde gods- fighting in the pits of Sigmars cities, though they're probably a Tzeentch cult. Besides the fact that the Cypher Lords are thematically very much like them now, I have trouble to find some more interesting bodyshapes to use. Everyone is supposed to have a different height and body type. It's surprisingly HARD to find a more classic sized GW male human without a shirt (so no Bloodreavers or Kairics, they're alteady in the huuuge group by height) The flagellant kit is semi-decent, but I already have ripped dudes en masse (based on electropriest, Exalted Deathbringer, Slaughterpriest and Thaumaturge plus Warboss). Now I'm looking at Ratskins (lotsa guns, though, and the cooler ones are pricey) and poxwalkers sans horns and boils. Mordheim gladiators (those with the crazy helmets) are out, because they're horrible sculpts). Any ideas besides maybe plundering my new Warcry bands - if they're not all huuuge, too, my GW didn't have the running peasant nearby for scale purposes.
The Eyes are Kairic Acolytes, too, so still taller than what I'm after.
I have a huge box with Warcry and some Cypher Lords laying around now, though, so I might have to take a peek into it. At least the kitbashes still unfinished are all waiting for glue to dry or putty to cure...mhm.
Binabik15 wrote: The Eyes are Kairic Acolytes, too, so still taller than what I'm after.
I have a huge box with Warcry and some Cypher Lords laying around now, though, so I might have to take a peek into it. At least the kitbashes still unfinished are all waiting for glue to dry or putty to cure...mhm.
What about Electro priests the electrical parts are easy enough to remove or cover up
I think if someone wanted to go wild with conversions those Cypher Lords would make for some interesting starting points. Especially with the way their helmets are designed so that the actual mask and headdress all attaches on the front you'd really only need the facial features of a mask.
You could do a full- on wuxia warband with the poses they are in too.
Now I need some Chinese jian swords for 30mm models and Tai Chi robes...
Well huh. I was looking at the rune marks in the rule book and there are already marks for both mounted and gargantuan models.
That bodes well for the future. Would be neat to see some sort of semi- coop mission where both warbands have to temporarily team up to take out some big nasty. Then each other afterwards naturally!
My son wants to do a highly mobile Squig Hopper warband. They're quite pricey point- wise. Not sure how viable they'd be.
Chopstick wrote: Splintered Fang had no sprue pic, I guess they didn't care enough for these Wych-wannabe to take a pic.
The unmade don’t either, but the Corvus cabal do.
Spoiler:
They do, i checked all the sprues to see what else is not showing, and the answer is not much really. The unmade get an alternative flesh face, a machete and a straight flail, while the cabal get to choose between a crow and a polearm.
The Shattered Stormvaults board is nice, but is the terrain included with it interresting for warcry ?
The two big platform seems like they would provide less terrain placement variety and tactical options than the walls and plateforms from the starter.
Do you think it's worth getting it if you don't play AoS ?
Chopstick wrote: Splintered Fang had no sprue pic, I guess they didn't care enough for these Wych-wannabe to take a pic.
The unmade don’t either, but the Corvus cabal do.
Spoiler:
They do, i checked all the sprues to see what else is not showing, and the answer is not much really. The unmade get an alternative flesh face, a machete and a straight flail, while the cabal get to choose between a crow and a polearm.
Yeah I was just coming back to edit that, I glossed over them for some reason.
The Cabal is the best of the bunch. All poses are good to great, the models look imposing but lithe with all their feather manes, brutal weapons...best GW stuff in a while, IMO. Compared to the others it looks like they shouldn't even fit all this on the tiny sprues my Cypher Lords came on. The Fangs sadly have a few boring poses and questionable weapons (the net is boring and too two-dimensional, the super long punching dagger looks off and WHAT is going on with that one dudes "gotta cover my naughty bits" crossed-arms pose). Gotta hack them up a bit, maybe mix in parts from the DEldar fly dudes I bought for their wings (harpys?).
Again, had I known they'd be releases THAT quickly I would've passed on the Lords. The question is...why did I remove their shrink wrap?!
I cracked for the Unmade instead of the Splintered Fang in the end. After examining them a bit more on the website I noticed their iron halos reminded me severely of the enemies in Darkest Dungeon, and thus I auto-hyped myself thinking about quoting the Narrator while playing. *Kills an enemy model*"BACK TO THE PIT !"
Samko wrote: The Shattered Stormvaults board is nice, but is the terrain included with it interresting for warcry ?
The two big platform seems like they would provide less terrain placement variety and tactical options than the walls and plateforms from the starter.
Do you think it's worth getting it if you don't play AoS ?
Bearing in mind that it's early days and I can't claim to have a good grip on the game yet, I'd say the Shattered Stormvault could be interesting to play on.
First, they're two big LOS blockers. You can do a good bit of maneuvering behind them without ever going to be visible to enemy archers. This may not be the biggest concern, but it may prevent on people loading up on long range fighters if they can't easily make use of their strongest attack, which as far as I'm concerned is a good thing. The starter set terrain seems more open than that and in today's game I would have benefited from having more than one archer around, simply because the terrain didn't get in the way much. It depends on the terrain cards, though, but given there are a fair few of them, you're bound to have a mix of more or less interesting placements.
Also drawing on my experience today, there was no real reason to leave the ground because the small walkways of the starter set are all well and good if you want to whack each other over the head until someone falls over, but if you'd like to maneuver and rely a little more on sophistication like my Daughters of Khaine, I could see the wider platforms of the Stormvault giving me way more options above ground level.
In addition to that, as a twist we drew marshy terrain on the ground subtracting 1" from everyone's movement. Again, due to the limited nature of the starter set terrain we just put up with it, but the Stormvault's larger footprint actually allows you to chose where to go.
The pillars and braziers, few though there are, seem good enough to hide a model behind, so you have that as an element you can use. And you get two statues on large plinths and the Stormvault entrance for smaller, so there are additional elements over the two large platforms.
Overall I think the Stormvault board can work, but again, that's just my initial impression with only few games played and none of them on that board.
After unboxing Warcry today, I have decided my first project. I am going to add 0,5mm height to both 25 and 28mm bases to match the height of 32mm bases. I hate having bases with different thicknesses..
jullevi wrote: After unboxing Warcry today, I have decided my first project. I am going to add 0,5mm height to both 25 and 28mm bases to match the height of 32mm bases. I hate having bases with different thicknesses..
It'd probably be easier to get some fine grit sandpaper and take that half millimeter off the 32mm bases...
I must say that both of the starter set Warbands are great miniatures to put together, seamless. It is just tempered by the general lack of modularity and options but they look great. Also they are bigger than I envisioned.
That said I went all in with this week's pre orders, the shattered stormvault and all three Warbands.
Has anybody tried to Mordheim-ify the terrain so far? The wall pieces are not THAT great to use as a ground floor for multilayer medieval buildings with all those iron bars for walls, but it could still work?
I can't find my sidecutter, so I haven't started assembly on my own stuff :( (and I'm out of fresh scalpels, so I'll have to take some from the hospital tomorrow, too).
I cant believe people were complaining about the price of the starter set. Considering warbands cost 30 quid, you've got 2 of them plus the monsters, which basically takes you up to the retail price anyway, before you even look at the terrain and all the other bits.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: I cant believe people were complaining about the price of the starter set. Considering warbands cost 30 quid, you've got 2 of them plus the monsters, which basically takes you up to the retail price anyway, before you even look at the terrain and all the other bits.
Well, GW could give away the starter and some people would still complain about having to build it. So you are always going to have someone complain about something. Doubly so with how easy the internet makes it.
At the same time, Warcry is on the expensive side for the, "I just want the models and don't care about the game" side. Especially since most of the warriors don't have direct use in GW's flagship games (yet). I know I had to talk myself into getting it as I don't know how much of the actual game I will be playing. There is a lot of terrain, but not quite enough for me to justify the price on it alone since I already have plenty terrain. If it weren't for the fact I like all of the warrior and creature models and enjoy painting I don't know if I would have purchased it myself. Warcry feels like it has a high risk of not catching on. I am a little concerned that game might be too shallow (or perceived to be) for long term play.
Chopstick wrote: I think we got pass the price discussion several pages ago.
And the conclusion is : Don't like the price? don't buy it.
Any other on-topic items we should steer clear from, Lord Commander of What We Can and Can't Discuss?
News and Rumour, GW speak with money mostly, not words, so complaining probably do nothing, and it already been discussed in here several pages ago. No need to bring up the dead horse again.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: I cant believe people were complaining about the price of the starter set. Considering warbands cost 30 quid, you've got 2 of them plus the monsters, which basically takes you up to the retail price anyway, before you even look at the terrain and all the other bits.
Well, GW could give away the starter and some people would still complain about having to build it. So you are always going to have someone complain about something. Doubly so with how easy the internet makes it.
At the same time, Warcry is on the expensive side for the, "I just want the models and don't care about the game" side. Especially since most of the warriors don't have direct use in GW's flagship games (yet). I know I had to talk myself into getting it as I don't know how much of the actual game I will be playing. There is a lot of terrain, but not quite enough for me to justify the price on it alone since I already have plenty terrain. If it weren't for the fact I like all of the warrior and creature models and enjoy painting I don't know if I would have purchased it myself. Warcry feels like it has a high risk of not catching on. I am a little concerned that game might be too shallow (or perceived to be) for long term play.
True. When you think about the price of regular gw plastic though, it seems like a hell of a deal to me. I don't play so I bought it just for the models, and it still seemed pretty good, plus I can probably make a bunch of that cash back selling on the cards, rulebook, board and some of the terrain.
Those Corvus Cabal miniatures are fantastic. I'd love to use them in another game system, but they're so unique it would be hard to incorporate them in with any existing miniatures I already have. Still fantastically well done though.
So far every warband looks way better in person than they do in the pictures. I saw the Cypher Lords built and they are awesome.
I've fallen in love with the Iron Golems after seeing them in person as well. I ended up snapping up a second set from someone parting out a box. The blob of them will end up seeing the battlefield as allies in my beasts of chaos in AoS as well. Though I am really looking forward to sticking 2 of the chaos dwarfs in my shield battle group in Warcry.
Received my Unmade, just had the time to build the leader (Blissful One) so far but I confirm they're even better in real. There's just the Iron Golems I definitely don't like, they feel overdone to me. But I've seen great paint schemes for the Untamed Beasts and they're starting to look appealing too.
For those wondering, the Unmade box gives you 9 models, totalling 980 pts (220 + 145 + 125 + 125 + 125 + 60 + 60 + 60 + 60).
I don't think it will be long until we see some expansion boxes for them. They promote the campaign system which requires you use more than you get with any of the current warbands and I can't imagine they'll want you just using duplicates over and over if they can sell alternate sculpts somehow.
Aaranis wrote: Received my Unmade, just had the time to build the leader (Blissful One) so far but I confirm they're even better in real.
Might seem a strange question, but can you confirm how many of the Unmade models are female? From the initial preview pics, it looked to me like 3-4 of them probably were, including the leader. But from the 360 degree views on GW's site, it looks like the leader is the only one, and I'm not even sure about that.
I really hope GW didn't decide it would be too risky/controversial/un-PC to give the sadomasochist extreme-body-modification warband any female members...
Dudeface wrote: I don't think it will be long until we see some expansion boxes for them. They promote the campaign system which requires you use more than you get with any of the current warbands and I can't imagine they'll want you just using duplicates over and over if they can sell alternate sculpts somehow.
They've said they've got a lot more coming for the game, and something has to be holding up the Slaves to Darkness battletome...
I think it may be a ways off though. They have to release individual boxes for the Iron Golems and Untamed Beasts before they do anything else. It'll probably be monthly or bi-monthly releases, so it could be October before we see something new. And they probably won't release all six expansions at one time, so if they go with two boxes a month, somebody will be waiting until 2020 to see their upgrade pack. Throw in some Ravaged Lands and boxes of chaos beasts and they could spread it out over six or seven month.
I'm thinking that we're likely to see a blister for each of the warbands with another Leader option and the first expansion book will likely do something with Champions(I've been going over the Core Book and can't find any mention of what that Runemark does? Maybe I just missed it).
I don't think we'll see any more Ravaged Lands once we get the ones out of the Core Box available.
Aaranis wrote: Received my Unmade, just had the time to build the leader (Blissful One) so far but I confirm they're even better in real.
Might seem a strange question, but can you confirm how many of the Unmade models are female? From the initial preview pics, it looked to me like 3-4 of them probably were, including the leader. But from the 360 degree views on GW's site, it looks like the leader is the only one, and I'm not even sure about that.
I really hope GW didn't decide it would be too risky/controversial/un-PC to give the sadomasochist extreme-body-modification warband any female members...
The female members are:
-the leader
-the one leaping from a rock
-the one holding a spear with two hands
-the one running who has a fork instead of a left hand
Kanluwen wrote: I'm thinking that we're likely to see a blister for each of the warbands with another Leader option and the first expansion book will likely do something with Champions(I've been going over the Core Book and can't find any mention of what that Runemark does? Maybe I just missed it).
There's also the icons for Gargantuan and Mounts and none of the current 15 warbands have these icons the Akhelian Guard don't even have the mounts icon.
I can see them stretching out the contents of the starter as separate releases plus the Spire Tyrants and Scions of Flame warbands and maybe another round of non-chaos cards to the end of year with the first "new" stuff coming next year.
faeslayer wrote: -the leader
-the one leaping from a rock
-the one holding a spear with two hands
-the one running who has a fork instead of a left hand
Oh, cool! So it seems all the ones I originally thought were female from the previews actually are, despite the 360 views on the GW site (combined with the frankly awful paint scheme) confusing the issue. Thanks for the info!
(Seems a bit odd now that the two warbands in the starter box have fewer female members than any of the others...)
It might be hard to tell with the Iron Golems armor.
At the least they could make the inevitable champions or booster models female just to mix things up.
I'm still said we didn't get any actual snake people or Melusai styled models with the Splintered Fang. Or even just a giant snake beast that they could take along like the lion for the Untamed Beasts.
In fact I think a box of unique or multiple beasts would make for a cool expansion.
I really hope we get some more cool beasties in the game, though GW can already port over several from the current line like the Chimera, Cockatrice, wolves, razorboar etc... The fact that the wild beasts cards are based on points for the Warcry system means that so long as GW gives us rules and stats for them; we can pretty much add any beasties without issue.
It wouldn't even shock me if they did a "Giant" beast hunt expansion with perhaps one or two big beasts that form the focus of a dedicated hunt.
Warcry has loads of potential for it so I really hope we see expansions and I'd love to see Forgeworld take a hand and make some AoS stuff for it - heck I'd like FW to make Something for AoS since so far they've only made a handful of stormcast heads (the Chaos dragon is technically End Times/AoS merger since it took so long to get finished - plus its right up there with titans in being quite unaffordable/not jutsifiable for many)
Overread wrote: I really hope we get some more cool beasties in the game, though GW can already port over several from the current line like the Chimera, Cockatrice, wolves, razorboar etc... The fact that the wild beasts cards are based on points for the Warcry system means that so long as GW gives us rules and stats for them; we can pretty much add any beasties without issue.
It wouldn't even shock me if they did a "Giant" beast hunt expansion with perhaps one or two big beasts that form the focus of a dedicated hunt.
Warcry has loads of potential for it so I really hope we see expansions and I'd love to see Forgeworld take a hand and make some AoS stuff for it - heck I'd like FW to make Something for AoS since so far they've only made a handful of stormcast heads (the Chaos dragon is technically End Times/AoS merger since it took so long to get finished - plus its right up there with titans in being quite unaffordable/not jutsifiable for many)
Yes! This NEEDS to be in warcry! That way how good the models surrounding it look will transfer over by osmosis!
I kid, of course. It seems like a great excuse to re-do some of those old beast sculpts IMO. New warhounds anyone?
You can already do fun things with the non chaos warbands. Taking undead miniatures as "chaotic beasts" in the graveyard terrain is very thematic, IMHO. And I can see using gryphhounds and aetherwings the same way with the Stormvaults.terrains.
I just use the adequate aptitude cards with them, and it works perfectly fine.
About the chaos warbands, I like the Cypher Lords like this :
Overread wrote: Actually that reminds me - for those with the Stormcast cards - can you do a team of just aetherwings and gryph hounds?!
Cheapest Leader is the Hunter Prime that leaves 790 points for hounds and/or Aetherwings so you could get 4 Hounds and 4 Aetherwings with 10 points to spare. You could model up a counts as Hunter Prime use an eagle perhaps put it on a 40mm base and paint it like an Aetherwing.
That may be my favorite thing about NuGW: they've been getting really good at app integration recently. Still wish they would come up with one for Warhammer Quest and Blackstone Fortress. I know they already have an app for Warhammer Quest, but it's basically just a digital version of the character cards. They should do something like the FFG's Mansions of Madness app that functions as a DM.
I haven't taken a close look at the cards needed, so I don't know how well it would fit. But I'm getting a sudden urge to do a Tomb Kings "counts as Legions of Nagash" force.
At the very least, the models themselves are available if you've still got the old GW figs (assuming that your group imposes GW-only requirements on the models used).
I haven't taken a close look at the cards needed, so I don't know how well it would fit. But I'm getting a sudden urge to do a Tomb Kings "counts as Legions of Nagash" force.
At the very least, the models themselves are available if you've still got the old GW figs (assuming that your group imposes GW-only requirements on the models used).
I just played against that today: Tomb Kings used as Legions of Nagash. Looks great !
Looking forward to seeing what the Scions and the Tyrants look like plus more cards for other factions/warbands.
Built up a small Nagash force using some normal skellies and some shadespire stuff. Might look into adding some Tomb Kings for some unique looks in matches.
I haven't taken a close look at the cards needed, so I don't know how well it would fit. But I'm getting a sudden urge to do a Tomb Kings "counts as Legions of Nagash" force.
At the very least, the models themselves are available if you've still got the old GW figs (assuming that your group imposes GW-only requirements on the models used).
I think the only difference will be that you don't have access to skeleton bowmen since Vampire Counts don't have them and that Tomb Guard with halberds have shields compared to Grave Guard with great weapons not having any. That said, the sword and halberd models are easy to tell apart, so I don't expect that to be confusing to your opponent.
I should probably buy the card pack in case I want to do that down the line. You never know how long those are going to stick around.
Baragash wrote: Dark Sphere in London have just posted that the GW Trade Division have sold out of starter sets and not getting restocked in the near future.
Does anyone have anything further on this? Supply doesn't seem to be drying up as fast as say, Looncurse.
I'm also wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the longevity of the scenery sets - didn't Kill Team lose one of its environment boxed sets very quickly?
angryboy2k wrote: There are two Killzones still on the website (Fronteris and Sanctoris). Was there a third?
Four.
Killzone: Mechanicus(what's in the upcoming Starter)
Killzone: Deathworld Forest
Killzone: Fronteris(which sold out REALLY fast in most localities)
Killzone: Sanctoris is some of the stuff from the original KT starter.
I think Warcry might last a bit longer because AoS isn't as popular as 40K; however yes if you want any of the terrain sets I'd get them sooner rather than later since they've a far higher chance of running out. GW might well re-issue some or even all of them since the card system ties them into the core game; but at the same time they could just let them laps and then GW makes new terrain sets in the future.
Remembering that whilst the terrain cards in Warcry are really nice, they are in no way essential for play.
angryboy2k wrote: There are two Killzones still on the website (Fronteris and Sanctoris). Was there a third?
Four.
Killzone: Mechanicus(what's in the upcoming Starter)
Killzone: Deathworld Forest
Killzone: Fronteris(which sold out REALLY fast in most localities)
Killzone: Sanctoris is some of the stuff from the original KT starter.
There were more,
Killzone: Wall of Martyrs
Killzone: Sector Munitorum (Shipping containers)
The Original starter had its own, Killzone: Sector Imperialis.
Plus, Arena amd Rogue Trader boards were considered their own Battlezones
You’ve crushed the Corvus Cabal, shattered the Splintered Fang and smashed The Unmade so hard that you knocked their faces off… again. But has your warband got what it takes to tackle a three-headed monster the size of a house?
In Monsters & Mercenaries, you’ll have the chance to find out! Warcry’s first expansion has a little bit of everything with loads of awesome new rules. Take monsters, for starters – you’ll be able to test yourself against them in special challenge battles and bind them to your dark will!
As well as monsters, the book contains rules for adding the eponymous mercenaries mentioned on the cover. That’s right, you can bring in a variety of special allies to your warband, from Darkoath Warqueens prophesying apocalyptic glory for your warband to bold Knight Heraldors willing to take on Daemons, madmen and raving Cygors, armed with nothing but a fancy trumpet.*
Looks like a way to sell some older kits with new rules hopefully rules/cards will be available without the mini as I don't want to have to buy some minis I already own just for a card.
I guess the Manticore will feature as well as it can be built without the chaos lord from 1 sprue
The only problem I've got is that they didn't announce a second wave of regular army card rules. It will be interesting to see how the mercenaries pan out - I kinda hope that they are either generic per grand alliance or included for ALL armies otherwise w'll have to do this whole dance over again for the second card wave.
That said I'm VERY happy to see rules for the Chimera and hope the cockatrice also appears as well as some other chaos beasties!
H.B.M.C. wrote: "Here's a book full of rules for stuff we already sell!"
Great expansion guys.
Just like KT Commanders and Elites. We pretty much knew this was coming. It'll also come with at least a second wave of card releases to represent the models. I'm curious how runemark abilities will be handled for mercenaries. Does the Darkoath Queen come with her own ability card?
It dawns on me that the book can't be full of rules for old models because Warcry puts all the rules on cards. The core book doesn't have any rules for models. If they want to add characters or more models to a faction, they release cards, not books. So what's in the book?
Sqorgar wrote: It dawns on me that the book can't be full of rules for old models because Warcry puts all the rules on cards. The core book doesn't have any rules for models. If they want to add characters or more models to a faction, they release cards, not books. So what's in the book?
New battleplan/campaign to capture your Pokémon.
Those faction-specific campaigns took a lot of pages.
Those faction-specific campaigns took a lot of pages.
More campaign quest would be great - hell, I think it would be awesome to do a Warcry Pokemon. Start with one guy and some weaker chaos beasts, catch a few, level them up to evolve. Enter a tournament to be the very best, like no one ever was. That'd be sweet. The Splintered Fang even comes with some Ekans (it's a poison type).
Frankly, as long as the book isn't 64 pages of faction-specific name and background generation tables, I'm cool.
Ironjawz cards are no longer available on the UK website. This aligns with what people have been saying about the faction cards being a splash release.
angryboy2k wrote: Ironjawz cards are no longer available on the UK website. This aligns with what people have been saying about the faction cards being a splash release.
For GW, everything with cards is a splash release. I have no idea why they decided to make cards fundamental to Warcry when they damn well know they can't keep the things in stock. You literally can not play Ironjawz without the cards. Either the cards come back, or they release a Warcry army book with the stats in them. They can't pull a Necromunda Tactics cards/AoS Warscroll cards and just not release them ever again.
angryboy2k wrote: Ironjawz cards are no longer available on the UK website. This aligns with what people have been saying about the faction cards being a splash release.
For GW, everything with cards is a splash release. I have no idea why they decided to make cards fundamental to Warcry when they damn well know they can't keep the things in stock. You literally can not play Ironjawz without the cards. Either the cards come back, or they release a Warcry army book with the stats in them. They can't pull a Necromunda Tactics cards/AoS Warscroll cards and just not release them ever again.
Might sound silly, but I've been wondering if they might be considering adding the cards to the instruction sheets for the units.
"Print your own" is already available if you know where to look, wink wink nudge nudge say no more.
And to cut off the butbutbutpiracy brigade... I preordered everything and so far the store was only able to supply me with 4 faction decks due to supply and database issues.
H.B.M.C. wrote: "Here's a book full of rules for stuff we already sell!"
Great expansion guys.
I really hope that's a sincere comment. Them basing an expansion on models that people possibly own, rather than forking out for obscure new £60 monster.
H.B.M.C. wrote: "Here's a book full of rules for stuff we already sell!"
Great expansion guys.
I really hope that's a sincere comment. Them basing an expansion on models that people possibly own, rather than forking out for obscure new £60 monster.
I think this is a case where a compromise would be best. By all means release rules for all sorts of models so people who have and/or like them can use them in their game, but also take the opportunity to expand the range and setting by adding something new to it. It's the best of both worlds and why I'm happy that the base game did just that by adding warbands from the other three Grand Alliances.
Pretty sure H.B.M.C. would rather have all new stuff than all old stuff, though.
Looks like a way to sell some older kits with new rules hopefully rules/cards will be available without the mini as I don't want to have to buy some minis I already own just for a card.
I guess the Manticore will feature as well as it can be built without the chaos lord from 1 sprue
Seeing as how the new Shattered Realm terrain cards and boards are locked behind terrain that we likely already own, I would not be surprised in the least if the stat cards were repackaged with the models. After all, this is an obvious move to sell product they didn't sell enough of...especially those $35 Malign Portents heroes...
That being said, they did release a couple of card packs for Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower/Hammerhal, so maybe the new stat cards are in something like that.
H.B.M.C. wrote: "Here's a book full of rules for stuff we already sell!"
Great expansion guys.
Could just be a hugely expensive Black Fortress expansion, instead.
At least this can let people use what they already have. Part of why I never bought the card packs is that if I was going to get into Warcry and play some Stormcast, I didn't just want to be restricted to such a small selection.
Looks like a way to sell some older kits with new rules hopefully rules/cards will be available without the mini as I don't want to have to buy some minis I already own just for a card.
I guess the Manticore will feature as well as it can be built without the chaos lord from 1 sprue
I hadn’t realized the manticore could be built without the rider spruce. That’s a sure deal, we’ll get that & the chimera (obviously) then. Sadly I doubt we’ll see the cockatrice, or jabberslythe, since they were only finecast. Maybe the Ghorgon/cygor?
Seeing as how the new Shattered Realm terrain cards and boards are locked behind terrain that we likely already own, I would not be surprised in the least if the stat cards were repackaged with the models. After all, this is an obvious move to sell product they didn't sell enough of...especially those $35 Malign Portents heroes...
That being said, they did release a couple of card packs for Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower/Hammerhal, so maybe the new stat cards are in something like that.
That's my fear alright they'll repackage those minis with the Warcry rules for them so if you want the official cards (I know they can be got in other ways) then you have to buy them again. Hopefully any rules/cards will be available separately or with the book/in the book and this won't be an issue.
Seeing as how the new Shattered Realm terrain cards and boards are locked behind terrain that we likely already own, I would not be surprised in the least if the stat cards were repackaged with the models.
Are you talking about the Ravaged Lands? The terrain cards use the specific combination of terrain found in the box that you are unlikely to have. If you have your own combination of terrain, you don't need the terrain cards. Only the board would be useful outside of what's in the box - I'd be okay with selling these separately, but they'd probably be more expensive than the equivalent (and better) neoprene game mat.
Warcry has already established the blister pack of cards distribution model, and dollars to donuts, that's how future game rules will be sold (for non-Warcry model rules). If it were me, I'd ape the AI cards used by Kingdom Death Monster or Dark Souls the Board Game and making fighting these big monsters into a huge Monster Hunter-like event. Those cards would fill out the rest of a card blister, and honestly, probably represent a pretty cool expansion overall for a single pre-existing model.
H.B.M.C. wrote: "Here's a book full of rules for stuff we already sell!"
Great expansion guys.
I really hope that's a sincere comment. Them basing an expansion on models that people possibly own, rather than forking out for obscure new £60 monster.
He (like many) would complain about GW forcing people to buy new models to use the new rules, in that case!
The awesomeness of this release will obviously depend on whether rules are provided to use the models we already have (ie. not on cards only bundled with re-released old models).
Yep, sorry, couldn't be arsed to look up the name, whatever the Warcry equivalent to Kill Team Kill Zones are called...must have got them mixed up.
I already have two sets of Morr's Garden and as such have more than enough graveyard themed terrain...so a packet of the cards from that CorpseThingy Mausoleum sold separately would have been ideal....that terrain has been around since 7th edition WFB and has already been repackaged at least twice.
Wow! So a BIG Warcry dump to preorder next weekend
New book (hydras & terrorghiests will be fightable/tameable)
Iron golems, beastclaw, and starter set beasts available separately.
As was predicted, chimera will get its own set with rules/tokens.
New terrain set defiled ruins.
Def gonna pick up another iron golems set (need more chaos dwarfs!). Also, having an orruk warboss for your ironjawz seems pretty huge. I hope the other factions get cool stuff too.
The Nova preview already showed the mighty DarkOath Warqueen going to battle in Warcry. This seems to be a very big expansion of the core rules and content of the game and is likely really going to make it jump in a big way model wise.
Also its going to work in GW's favour because I've sort of been looking for an excuse to get a terrorgast/zombiedragon. I didn't want to build a FE army, but now I might just get the one for warcry!
Going to be interesting to see how the rules will be available for the mercenaries. The chimera gets cards, but all those other models don't? Doesn't seem like the book will include cards either.
Somewhat frustrates me as I just got rid of a lot of big monster that I didn't think I'd need for smaller skirmish stuff. I guess if the rules somehow end up in the book than I can always proxy them in.
With the merc rules showing up that gets us one step closer to having completely unique warabnds as well.
Seeing both the box, and the zones in person, I'll just throw it out there that this terrain is amazing. Crazy to hear it, but GW did a serious great job on that boxed stuff. I can't wait to get a few sets to add to the Sector Imperialis stuff for Necromunda.
lord_blackfang wrote: "Print your own" is already available if you know where to look, wink wink nudge nudge say no more.
Yup But I would like to see GW actually offer this. "Buy our products, buy our cards, buy our miniatures and our games...but for the cards that have run out, here, an updated PDF for free..."
Really interested to see how they integrate the beasts into the warbands.
One off bring down the beast or fight each other while Beast rampages around sure but this sounds like "Field a Land Raider with your Astartes Kill Team"
I think a more apt analogy would be fight the original owners of the land raider, loot the land raider, attempt to not kill yourself figuring out how to use it, and then hope it still works for you by the time you get to take it to fight your enemies.
I've been thinking perhaps we'll have generic monster and merc tables to roll off of, whereas stuff like the chimera will have a special unique set to use instead.
Geifer wrote: Pretty sure H.B.M.C. would rather have all new stuff than all old stuff, though.
I'd rather see them do new stuff. Them doing new stuff is what brought us Warcry in the first place. It's a shame that they're already falling back on existing minis.
That said, they are reboxing the Chimera with cards for Warcry, so that's not bad IMO.
NinthMusketeer wrote: He (like many) would complain about GW forcing people to buy new models to use the new rules, in that case!
I'm really curious on this one. I'm definitely looking forward to the reviews.....though I still haven't even gotten my Core Set assembled and painted....and I have Corvus Cabal, Unmade, and the Stromvault to put together and paint......
I like the idea of mercenaries, but definitely do not like the idea of hero units being mercenaries.....seems a bit too much. I was thinking more along the lines of destruction being able to hire an Ogor or Chaos being able to hire a Chaos Warrior or what not.
Monster hunting scenarios sound awesome, that was one of the first things I wanted when we found some details out about the game. Not sure if anyone played the multiplayer Mordheim scenario where there was a monster in the center building guarding a horde of treasure and all the warbands wanted to kill it (and one another) to grab the loot.....but it was an absolute blast and I'd love to see something like that for Warcry.
Geifer wrote: Pretty sure H.B.M.C. would rather have all new stuff than all old stuff, though.
I'd rather see them do new stuff. Them doing new stuff is what brought us Warcry in the first place. It's a shame that they're already falling back on existing minis.
That said, they are reboxing the Chimera with cards for Warcry, so that's not bad IMO.
New stuff is always nice, but allowing people to use their existing models with the new game is a good thing too. Granted, it is not so exiting.
NinthMusketeer wrote: He (like many) would complain about GW forcing people to buy new models to use the new rules, in that case!
That literally makes no sense.
Have you not seen the massive thread on 40K general where peopl complain about GW 'forcing' them to buy the new stuff they will be releasing with the Psychic Awakening? Though you're correct: it doesn't make sense.
Sabotage! wrote: Monster hunting scenarios sound awesome, that was one of the first things I wanted when we found some details out about the game. Not sure if anyone played the multiplayer Mordheim scenario where there was a monster in the center building guarding a horde of treasure and all the warbands wanted to kill it (and one another) to grab the loot.....but it was an absolute blast and I'd love to see something like that for Warcry.
Aye, especially if the monster is too strong to be taken down by one warband alone, forcing the players to cooperate to slay it.. up until the moment it's safe to stab the other in the back, and run away with all the loot. I love scenarios like that.
lord_blackfang wrote: New stuff is good. Having to re-buy old models to get new rules like happened with Kill Team was bad.
I'm doubling down on my prediction that the monster hunts will have some sort of AI card deal going for it (like Kingdom Death Monster and Dark Souls). They way they are focusing on the Chimera and even rereleasing it with all the rules cards makes me think there is something more substantial there. No way they are going to make an old model the centerpiece of a new release with just a single stat card to justify repackaging it. If that's the case, this isn't just a matter of new rules for old models.
Update!
It seems that monsters will not be AI controlled nor will they feature in standard battles. Instead one player plays the monster the other the warband.
The Mercenaries sounds interesting too as whilst they've added around 50 mercenary units from the game; they've also noted that a regular "matched play" style warband will only have one mercenary. Whilst a campaign one can, of course, have more if you've earned it.
Overall it sounds good though curious that you're not required to "subtle" team up with an opponent against an npc/AI monster. Then again AI monsters is something GW has never done before and might be worried about trying at present, esp on a free movement board rather htan on a hexgrid, where at least the monsters potential movement "choices" are more streamlined.
Update!
It seems that monsters will not be AI controlled nor will they feature in standard battles. Instead one player plays the monster the other the warband.
The Mercenaries sounds interesting too as whilst they've added around 50 mercenary units from the game; they've also noted that a regular "matched play" style warband will only have one mercenary. Whilst a campaign one can, of course, have more if you've earned it.
Overall it sounds good though curious that you're not required to "subtle" team up with an opponent against an npc/AI monster. Then again AI monsters is something GW has never done before and might be worried about trying at present, esp on a free movement board rather htan on a hexgrid, where at least the monsters potential movement "choices" are more streamlined.
No Mangler Squigs - Individual members of the Gobbapalooza -
Update!
It seems that monsters will not be AI controlled nor will they feature in standard battles. Instead one player plays the monster the other the warband.
I'm slightly disappointed by this, but I have no one to blame but myself for it. It does make the repackaging of the Chimera into a bit more of a weird move though. And with 50 mercenaries, how are we going to get their data cards? The new campaign quests, open to everybody, is pretty exciting though. Seems like this will broaden the campaign possibilities quite a bit.
I'd have thought GW would do a single card pack for the mercenaries and monsters surely. Far easier than repacking everything whilst the chimera might be a one-off.
Hmmm...Maybe the mercenaries won't be just characters from AoS. I wonder if we won't get things like Chaos Spawns or maybe Troggoths working the same. 50 is a lot, after all...
Surprised by the prices, if they're true. So low for the book ? Maybe it won't be that big in the end ?
Defiled ruins is listed as a 5 sprue set - Azyrite Townscape is 3 sprues and presumably then the others are the Timeworn Ruins which is 2 sprues (shown as 4 on the website but it's 2 sprues split in half) but only the Braziers appear on the box. The Townscape is €42.50 and Timeworn Ruins are €32.50 worth so that's €75 worth for €70.
Defiled ruins is listed as a 5 sprue set - Azyrite Townscape is 3 sprues and presumably then the others are the Timeworn Ruins which is 2 sprues (shown as 4 on the website but it's 2 sprues split in half) but only the Braziers appear on the box. The Townscape is €42.50 and Timeworn Ruins are €32.50 worth so that's €75 worth for €70.
Definitely has parts from the Azyrite Ruins as well - the chests and the squarish doorways in the front. At least two half-sprues there. I also think it only includes two Townscape sprues and not all three. So 2 Townscape, 2 Ruins, and the brazier sprue from Timeworn.
Defiled ruins is listed as a 5 sprue set - Azyrite Townscape is 3 sprues and presumably then the others are the Timeworn Ruins which is 2 sprues (shown as 4 on the website but it's 2 sprues split in half) but only the Braziers appear on the box. The Townscape is €42.50 and Timeworn Ruins are €32.50 worth so that's €75 worth for €70.
Definitely has parts from the Azyrite Ruins as well - the chests and the squarish doorways in the front. At least two half-sprues there. I also think it only includes two Townscape sprues and not all three. So 2 Townscape, 2 Ruins, and the brazier sprue from Timeworn.
It's hard to know for definite the townscape sprue pictures on the website are wrong (they have been since release) the townscape comes with 2 of the original Azyrite ruin sprues and not the Hallowheart sprue that's shown on the website but the Defiled Ruins are shown with the Hallowheart sprue as well. But yes the Defiled Ruins are missing one of the Townscape sprues.
So then it looks like 1 Townscape sprue, 1 Hallowheart Sprue, 2 Azyrite ruins sprues (or are these half sprues and 2 count as 1?) the brazier sprue (and again is it half the sprue or the whole sprue with all of the statue?) OK I'm lost now
So to be consistent with their other Azyrite ruins releases the box contents will differ from the picture
Well on the positive side if the contents differ from the photo you can complain and they'll probably send you a replacement box..... which will be wrong again as the photo is the problem not the contents
DaveC wrote: It's hard to know for definite the townscape sprue pictures on the website are wrong (they have been since release) the townscape comes with 2 of the original Azyrite ruin sprues and not the Hallowheart sprue that's shown on the website but the Defiled Ruins are shown with the Hallowheart sprue as well. But yes the Defiled Ruins are missing one of the Townscape sprues.
FYI the Townscape including the half Ruins sprues and not Hallowheart sprue was a mispack on launch, and subsequent reprints of Townscape have corrected it. In fact I had one that I purchased last November get it's sprue replaced by GW cust svc just a couple weeks ago.
The Azyrite Townscape as shown on the website is the correct configuration.
Mercs 46 of 50 are listed. The Daughters of Khaine get 3 of the 4 missing (Slaughter Queen, Hag Queen and Bloodwrack Medusa) but aren't listed as they are in the Cauldron box and the final one is the Abhorrent Ghoul King which also doesn't have a mini available on it's own yet.
Slaughterpriest
Slaughtpriest with Hackblade
SkullGrinder
Exalted Deathbringer with Impaling Spear
Exalted Deathbringer with Ruinous Axe
Aspriring Deathbringer with Goreaxe
Tomb Banshee
Cairn Wraith
Liekoron the Executioner
Knight of Shrouds
Grawlocke the Jailor
Wight King with Baleful Tomb Blade
Lord of Plagues
Lord of Blights
Gaunt Summoner
Gaunt Summoner on Disc
Magister of Tzeentch
Tzaangor Shaman
Ogroid Thaumaturge
Great Bray Shaman
Chaos Lord
Chaos Sorcerer Lord
Darkoath Chieftain
Darkoath Warqueen
Necromancer
Savage Big Boss
Weirdnob Shaman
Warchanter
Megaboss
Clawlord
Grey Seer
Knight Questor
Knight Heraldor
Kingith Vexillor
Lord Veritant
Lord Celestant
Lord Castellant
Isharann Soulrender
Isharann Soulscryer
Isharann Tidecaster
Fungoid Cave Shaman
Brewgit
Boolgeye
Shroomancer
Spiker
Scaremonger
It should be 47, Chaos Sorcerer Lord is in the Mercenaries section.
I'm guessing that there might be a 48th in that the Spirit Torment(Crawlocke the Jailer) can take, counting separately from him, the Chainghasts that the set includes or they can be taken solo.
Oh I just had a nasty thought...it might be that the Knight-Questor and Wight King have additional profiles for different weapon options.
Wight King has the Black Axe in Finecast currently and the Knight-Questor has at least two event exclusives right?
Yep I counted the Chaos Sorcerer Lord in the 46 I doubt they will give the Finecast models stats and they seem to be sticking with the plastic versions (other than Pumbagor) and as exclusives aren't freely available they will probably be left out too.
I just realised 31 of these are direct only so you'll end up having to pay full retail for them.
Don't forget the Chimera is also not listed up there so that's another that will likely appear - that one likely because its getting a special warcry box of its own with cards inside so likely won't appear until Saturday .
Not sure if this is of any interest, but TT Combat (who do really decent MDF terrain, and have free shipping over 100 pounds) have been releasing Warcry-styled kits.
Their fantasy realms stuff is really nice. I'll vouch for it. They've put out quite a few kits since the last I ordered, and they're all quite modular in nature as well.
Only downside if I guess you can't really use the terrain cards with it.
On the plus side I've got a large chunk of the current merc options already painted! Nice surprise to see some Skaven show up!
Have we seen how powerful some of these Merc might be? I'm not exactly sure of them myself, as it sniffs of Commander repackages to me.
I'm pretty excited to hunt big beasts and throw them into combat with other warbands though. Just because that sounds like a lot of fun. The new 'challenging' quests seem interesting as well.
It does has a taste of all the expansion that got players jaded by Kill Team. The Monster hunting is a fun addition but I don't think I'm too out there for suggesting that most people would have preferred a wider range of original warbands and even special characters in the WarCry aesthetic rather than just dumping Hero level characters from AoS general in there. Suppose I shouldn't fault them for trying to dual purpose existing kits and nobody is obliged to use them but it does come across as lazy.
Remember if Warcry is like Killteam then GW's intent isn't to make a whole new game, but to use it to draw people into the main AoS game. If you look at the new model warband stats they fit very nicely into the AoS design for a larger army unit. The only bit standing out is that GW hasn't updated Slaves to Darkness and thus the warbands are more a Warcry thing than an AoS at this stage.
However them bringing in Dark Oath leaders and such makes perfect sense. The only real oddity is bringing in heroes like skaven before bringing in the cards to add skaven warbands.
I'm not surprised at this addition in the least in terms of the type of content its adding. More monsters; larger monsters and more models from the core game appearing in the intro game. The only real issue is that for AoS you have to buy more htan "one box" for many of the non-warband dedicated forces. But from GW's angle that's no bad thing and you can still make decent forces out of a single box for most of the regular armies.
Again Warcry is one of those intro games. Buy a box - get into the game and get playing FAST. Using its own points and rules and stats means it works better than trying to shoe-horn in core game rules scaled down from 2K to under 500 points. Meanwhile it also provides something short, small and different for regular players. Giving something for those hwo might not have 5 hours to game or who didn't get started early in the game evening etc...
JimmyWolf87 wrote: It does has a taste of all the expansion that got players jaded by Kill Team. The Monster hunting is a fun addition but I don't think I'm too out there for suggesting that most people would have preferred a wider range of original warbands and even special characters in the WarCry aesthetic rather than just dumping Hero level characters from AoS general in there. Suppose I shouldn't fault them for trying to dual purpose existing kits and nobody is obliged to use them but it does come across as lazy.
One thing to take into account is that AoS doesn't have an "Elite" slot for characters that aren't leaders to go into.
Things like the Soulrender or Soulscryer for Idoneth, Skullgrinders for Khorne, Spirit Torment(Crawlocke the Jailer) for Nighthaunt, etc would very very likely be put as Elite choices in 40k--but here they're just characters.
I think we will definitely see characters tied to the WarCry aesthetic down the road, but this book is seemingly just a smart-ish way to bring more stuff into the fold relatively quickly.
I may have missed this, but do we have any indication yet who may hire mercs? As in, do only Sigmarines get Sigmarines? Or does all of Order get Sigmarines? Or does everyone get Sigmarines?
I wouldn't be opposed to being able use my Questor in my Daughters warband since I don't particularly care for Vanguard and have no intention of getting a warband of those.
Personally, I'm kind of perturbed by the Stormcast selections. Once again, whiffed on the Vanguard side of things. We can have a Lord-Castellant, Lord-Celestant, either of the goofy musicians/standard bearers...but no Knight-Zephyros? No Knight-Venator or Azyros?
I get why no Lord-Aquilor or Palladors, but c'mon. They did this crap with Skirmish too.
Geifer wrote: I may have missed this, but do we have any indication yet who may hire mercs? As in, do only Sigmarines get Sigmarines? Or does all of Order get Sigmarines? Or does everyone get Sigmarines?
I wouldn't be opposed to being able use my Questor in my Daughters warband since I don't particularly care for Vanguard and have no intention of getting a warband of those.
Apparently it's by Grand Alliance so Order with Order and so on, that's the rumour on Reddit from someone who's seen the book (they posted the correct list of Mercs before they went live on the website).
plus the Warhammer Community posted this but it's not definitive
Allies allow you to add spellcasters, deadly champions and agents of the Grand Alliances to your roster.
Geifer wrote: I may have missed this, but do we have any indication yet who may hire mercs? As in, do only Sigmarines get Sigmarines? Or does all of Order get Sigmarines? Or does everyone get Sigmarines?
I wouldn't be opposed to being able use my Questor in my Daughters warband since I don't particularly care for Vanguard and have no intention of getting a warband of those.
Apparently it's by Grand Alliance so Order with Order and so on, that's the rumour on Reddit from someone who's seen the book (they posted the correct list of Mercs before they went live on the website).
Did they have whatever ones we were missing--or were those the ones that you noted were bundled?
Personally, I'm kind of perturbed by the Stormcast selections. Once again, whiffed on the Vanguard side of things. We can have a Lord-Castellant, Lord-Celestant, either of the goofy musicians/standard bearers...but no Knight-Zephyros? No Knight-Venator or Azyros?
I get why no Lord-Aquilor or Palladors, but c'mon. They did this crap with Skirmish too.
Yeah, I can't say I'm satisfied with the treatment Sigmarines got either.
I can kind of understand using the sneaky Vanguard guys to scout around the Varanspire as it's thematic, but if you have orcs trampling around with no care for who spots them, I'm not sure why Sigmarines need to be super sneaky about their operations there.
And it does not do the breadth of their model line justice to have such a meager selection to draw from. Introducing characters that don't follow the theme is the icing, if you will.
The Vanguard aren't really "sneaky", they're just scouts. They're people who were used to operating by themselves before and after Chaos took over the Realms. Huntsmen, bandits, trappers, and the like--with a smattering of what GW labeled as "vigilantes" who 'died' fighting what were effectively one-person wars against Chaos.
And really, using Orcs as an example of anything will always justify goin' louda. The Gitz are sneakin, Idoneth are sneakin', Corvus Cabal are sneakin'...why can't the Stormcast get their people who are used to working outside the ranks as their setup?
The only reason I can think of no Zephyros, Venator, Aquilor, etc is that someone really just doesn't like them.
I'm hoping we see cards show up for them and the Seraphon as their new models or repackaged stuff at least starts to show up. Seems most other factions got cards, with the exception of those guys and the dwarfs in one form or another.
The new bone construct guys should get some WarCry cards too.
I would imagine the lack of Ogor rules is because of their impending battletome. They'll probably release Warcry rules for them shortly after the tome drops. Of course, if that's true, it might mean that the Slaves to Darkness tome is further off than I had hoped.
Blood Bowl is ALWAYS popular, they have dedicate community that make online game, and even go so far as creating 2 computer games. None of the other community had come even close to this.
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The Gitz are sneakin, Idoneth are sneakin', Corvus Cabal are sneakin'...why can't the Stormcast get their people who are used to working outside the ranks as their setup?