You can't buy popular issues direct from Hachette. The situation you describe is the same for most Imperium releases that people want to buy (this was not the case for Conquest, I suspect they've refined their process to maximise profits, ie somewhat restricting the availability of the most premium offerings).
JWBS wrote: You can't buy popular issues direct from Hachette. The situation you describe is the same for most Imperium releases that people want to buy (this was not the case for Conquest, I suspect they've refined their process to maximise profits, ie somewhat restricting the availability of the most premium offerings).
So it even being listed on their site and saying "coming soon" was just misleading? Or is it something like subscribers can get them before they show up on the site so by the time it's made "available" there they're already all gone?
I was told by a chap at my local forbidden planet that they can't order the numbers they could for conquest
(now whether this is absolutely true or way to deal with somebody asking why they didn't have any issue 46 etc available i don't know)
but it wouldn't surprise me if GW just isn't able to provide the number of sprues they were when conquest was being done, at least in one go, and hachette is far more reluctant to do reprints than it was when issues like the rhino kept coming back into stock every few months
JWBS wrote: You can't buy popular issues direct from Hachette. The situation you describe is the same for most Imperium releases that people want to buy (this was not the case for Conquest, I suspect they've refined their process to maximise profits, ie somewhat restricting the availability of the most premium offerings).
So it even being listed on their site and saying "coming soon" was just misleading? Or is it something like subscribers can get them before they show up on the site so by the time it's made "available" there they're already all gone?
If they have 10 units available to buy then it was coming soon but sold out quite quickly.
They seem to do one per edition. The gap between Conquest and Imperium was about 16 months. Imperium is due to run until Marchish next year so if the pattern continues we are likely looking at 2 years until the next one.
Rzezbiarzbdg wrote: Do You think, that after Imperium we would get another W40K magazine? If yes, then who would be in?
I imagine it would be like Conquest and be the two factions from the 10th starter - so Nids versus Marines. Maybe they'll mix it up a little and include a few squads of Genestealer Cultists with the Nids, but tbh they will have enough models it's probably not necessary. They could maybe put some Guardsmen in with the Marines but again they probably don't need to.
Don’t need to. But. Need to put different stuff in to get the most out of it customer wise.
That’s why this one has all the Sisters and such. Have to make it different to Conquest.
Hasn’t each magazine started at a certain point into the prior ones run (original UK runs, probably varies a lot in other countries, but that’s just reprinting/writing etc anyway).
So for example issue 1 comes at about Issue 60 of the last one (can’t remember the exact, but they always had crossover).
Obviously maybe up in the air a bit with the magazine delay this year time round. But timeline may hold roughly true if there’s gonna be another.
Danny76 wrote: Don’t need to. But. Need to put different stuff in to get the most out of it customer wise.
That’s why this one has all the Sisters and such. Have to make it different to Conquest.
Hasn’t each magazine started at a certain point into the prior ones run (original UK runs, probably varies a lot in other countries, but that’s just reprinting/writing etc anyway).
So for example issue 1 comes at about Issue 60 of the last one (can’t remember the exact, but they always had crossover).
Obviously maybe up in the air a bit with the magazine delay this year time round. But timeline may hold roughly true if there’s gonna be another.
Not for the same game system. Mortal Realms crossed over with Conquest and Imperium but they didn't cross with each other.
I think GW looks at these more as a new customer acquisition tool than "giving lots of existing players cheap models" tbh.
But I think the marine range is big enough they could do a fairly healthy set without too much repetition, especially if they went heavy on the Phobos marines and had access to the 10th Ed starter.
GW puts a known amount of discount stock on the market with these magazines. The number made is finite and whilst they can do additional repeats of popular issues from time to time; the amount made directly controlled.
So for GW they are very much a loss-leader product line designed likely on two fronts
1) Getting new people into the game
2) Getting existing people into new armies.
They know that for all the stuff they put in them for cheap, they don't include everything and that model sales of other stuff in those armies will increase as a result. They also know not everyone will hunt down dozens of copies of the same issue so they'll take their cheap 1 subscriber copy and then expand with regular purchases.
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I'm not really worried as they've just delivered up to issue 54 with the Tau as the third premium and I've had the Chais and Tyranid premiums.
Overread wrote: GW puts a known amount of discount stock on the market with these magazines. The number made is finite and whilst they can do additional repeats of popular issues from time to time; the amount made directly controlled.
So for GW they are very much a loss-leader product line designed likely on two fronts
1) Getting new people into the game
2) Getting existing people into new armies.
They know that for all the stuff they put in them for cheap, they don't include everything and that model sales of other stuff in those armies will increase as a result. They also know not everyone will hunt down dozens of copies of the same issue so they'll take their cheap 1 subscriber copy and then expand with regular purchases.
It also gets bods in stores, which is when the real spending can start.
Danny76 wrote: Don’t need to. But. Need to put different stuff in to get the most out of it customer wise.
That’s why this one has all the Sisters and such. Have to make it different to Conquest.
Hasn’t each magazine started at a certain point into the prior ones run (original UK runs, probably varies a lot in other countries, but that’s just reprinting/writing etc anyway).
So for example issue 1 comes at about Issue 60 of the last one (can’t remember the exact, but they always had crossover).
Obviously maybe up in the air a bit with the magazine delay this year time round. But timeline may hold roughly true if there’s gonna be another.
Not for the same game system. Mortal Realms crossed over with Conquest and Imperium but they didn't cross with each other.
I think GW looks at these more as a new customer acquisition tool than "giving lots of existing players cheap models" tbh.
But I think the marine range is big enough they could do a fairly healthy set without too much repetition, especially if they went heavy on the Phobos marines and had access to the 10th Ed starter.
Well yeah that’s what I’m talking about. A new magazine won’t come till issue 60 of Stormbringer.
But 100% it’s for new players, but at the end of the day they must know that existing customers will buy, so the more they vary the better. I don’t just mean people like us who are well invested.
But like someone might have gotten in with Conquest and jut gone along each run. So Imperium was very different contents wise.
And on the Stormcast from the same, both quite different set of models.
Though repeats happened here and there yeah.
The Phazer wrote: lms crossed over with Conquest and Imperium but they didn't cross with each other.
I think GW looks at these more as a new customer acquisition tool than "giving lots of existing players cheap models" tbh.
GW are just one of the companies involved though. Hachette don't care at all about GW acquiring new customers and just want to sell as many subscriptions as possible.
The Phazer wrote: lms crossed over with Conquest and Imperium but they didn't cross with each other.
I think GW looks at these more as a new customer acquisition tool than "giving lots of existing players cheap models" tbh.
GW are just one of the companies involved though. Hachette don't care at all about GW acquiring new customers and just want to sell as many subscriptions as possible.
Absolutely, but I'm sure that Hachette are completely beholden to GW for production of the models themselves and can only make the offering what GW is willing to give them.
I'd expect the next magazine after stormbringer to be 30k based, gives them time to get the kits out and for them to shift a few before selling cheap sprues
The problem with doing a 30K one is that there's no push-fit to put in early issues for drawing in inexperienced modellers. As much as we're drawn to it, the way the magazines are actually written are very much for gradually introducing a new player to how to do the HHHobby. That whole "GW sees this as a way to get new players" is very much true if you actually read through the entire run and its progression of rules and skill teaching.
Platuan4th wrote: The problem with doing a 30K one is that there's no push-fit to put in early issues for drawing in inexperienced modellers.
A valid point. However, if the rumour/speculation that there's "beginner" sets coming for Heresy, then I could see them doing a beginners painting set like this or this. Both have a single sprue of unique push fit minis (both of which got used for early issues of Imperium) that would be ideal for an AoD partworks.
Conquest was only a year after 8th Ed launched and contained all the push fit minis from the various starter sets. Imperium was the same with the contents of Indomitus at it's core and the AoS mag was even quicker (6 months or so). So to say that we would never see any new Push Fit models in a part work in 'years' is not backed by precedent.
Reported earlier today that its been extended to from 80 issues to 90 issues. No word on whats in the extra 10 issues other than they wont be paint issues.
Memnoch wrote: Reported earlier today that its been extended to from 80 issues to 90 issues. No word on whats in the extra 10 issues other than they wont be paint issues.
Monolith.
Immolator.
Skorpius.
Electro Priests.
Imperial Guard? It is Imperium after all.
Let the speculation commence.
I'm waiting to see if there will be a subscriber's Silver Templars set style offer.
I'm waiting to see if there will be a subscriber's Silver Templars set style offer.
If it is, I wonder if it'll be available to Australia/New Zealand. We dibbed out on the premium subscription due to the fact they don't stock the chaos marine units anymore. Which rather then replacing them with something else, they just went feth it, no extra goodies for them.
And thanks by the way, this reminded me to cancel the extra binders. Not paying $20 for a binder I can get for a few quid down at the local officeworks.
I'm waiting to see if there will be a subscriber's Silver Templars set style offer.
If it is, I wonder if it'll be available to Australia/New Zealand. We dibbed out on the premium subscription due to the fact they don't stock the chaos marine units anymore. Which rather then replacing them with something else, they just went feth it, no extra goodies for them.
And thanks by the way, this reminded me to cancel the extra binders. Not paying $20 for a binder I can get for a few quid down at the local officeworks.
I normally get two binders for keeping the fluff pages. Once built and painted, those sections go to recycling.
I did pick up an extra two Conquest folders when everything went half price when Hachette did a clearance. I keep WD articles in those.
The FAQs for the US sub make it clear that the folders are part of the sub and customers cannot opt out.
Memnoch wrote: Reported earlier today that its been extended to from 80 issues to 90 issues. No word on whats in the extra 10 issues other than they wont be paint issues.
Memnoch wrote: Reported earlier today that its been extended to from 80 issues to 90 issues. No word on whats in the extra 10 issues other than they wont be paint issues.
Oh where did they say this?
The fauxhammer blog post previewing the next issues.
Memnoch wrote: Reported earlier today that its been extended to from 80 issues to 90 issues. No word on whats in the extra 10 issues other than they wont be paint issues.
Oh where did they say this?
Fauxhammer Blog. Been in the works for a while it seems but they were asked to sit on it because of something to do with the Stormbringer trial fiasco.
Huh, well I guess we'll see. It'd be great to get the Indomitus Marine character sprue but that might be hoping a bit too much given the insane amount GW sells it for.
New guard stuff definitely seems off the table.
Maybe some of the old stuff could be in there.
Definitely could have some plain stuff mixed in there (Warriors, or more Immortals or something etc).
But yeah as mentioned above could getstuff along the lines of the Monolith.
I just ordered a couple of copies from forbidden planet, not used them before, what are the chances of me actually getting them or do they cancel if stock doesn’t keep up with orders quite often? Folk 9n here seem quite experienced in this.
Andykp wrote: I just ordered a couple of copies from forbidden planet, not used them before, what are the chances of me actually getting them or do they cancel if stock doesn’t keep up with orders quite often? Folk 9n here seem quite experienced in this.
Never had any trouble with them for the Warhammer collections, you should receive your issues.
Andykp wrote: I just ordered a couple of copies from forbidden planet, not used them before, what are the chances of me actually getting them or do they cancel if stock doesn’t keep up with orders quite often? Folk 9n here seem quite experienced in this.
Yeah like 99% all will be well.
Just cancelled orders when stuff is gone gone. Very unlikely with the magazine run stuff
Danny76 wrote: New guard stuff definitely seems off the table.
Maybe some of the old stuff could be in there.
Definitely could have some plain stuff mixed in there (Warriors, or more Immortals or something etc).
But yeah as mentioned above could getstuff along the lines of the Monolith.
I mentioned the Monolith as a conversation starter but I'm not convinced it could be a reality.
The most expensive model in Conquest was the Repulsor spread over four issues.
Then again, Imperium has given us the £70 Necron Court as a one shot!
For Andykp, make me a third who has never had a problem with all the separate issues I've ordered from Forbidden Planet for both Conquest and Imperium.
My wild guess as to what would be in the last 10 issues are
Doom scythe (2 issues)
Chaplain on bike (2 issues)
Crane and servohaulers (2 issues)
An artificer brush (1 issue)
Same paints (2 issues)
not sure about the final (contents not issue), maybe a tech marine, or maybe something unexpected like a novel.
laam999 wrote: My wild guess as to what would be in the last 10 issues are
Doom scythe (2 issues)
Chaplain on bike (2 issues)
Crane and servohaulers (2 issues)
An artificer brush (1 issue)
Same paints (2 issues)
not sure about the final (contents not issue), maybe a tech marine, or maybe something unexpected like a novel.
It’s not paints 100%.
The brush I doubt also really.
Weight wise I really don’t see a book. Also different arm of GW so the deal probably doesn’t cover such things anyway.
laam999 wrote: My wild guess as to what would be in the last 10 issues are
Doom scythe (2 issues)
Chaplain on bike (2 issues)
Crane and servohaulers (2 issues)
An artificer brush (1 issue)
Same paints (2 issues)
not sure about the final (contents not issue), maybe a tech marine, or maybe something unexpected like a novel.
It’s not paints 100%.
The brush I doubt also really.
Weight wise I really don’t see a book. Also different arm of GW so the deal probably doesn’t cover such things anyway.
But yeah another terrain issue or two.
Conquest had a separate subscriber only Silver Templars novella which ended up available on the main website like the Silver Templars paint set did. Imperium subbers have already had the option of a two book novella set.
Andykp wrote: I just ordered a couple of copies from forbidden planet, not used them before, what are the chances of me actually getting them or do they cancel if stock doesn’t keep up with orders quite often? Folk 9n here seem quite experienced in this.
If the issue was in stock when you ordered you should be fine. If you are preordering certain issues its going to be dependent on how much stock of that issue they get. Issue 15 with the Flayed Ones in particular was one that loads of people had issues preordering.
laam999 wrote: My wild guess as to what would be in the last 10 issues are
Doom scythe (2 issues)
Chaplain on bike (2 issues)
Crane and servohaulers (2 issues)
An artificer brush (1 issue)
Same paints (2 issues)
not sure about the final (contents not issue), maybe a tech marine, or maybe something unexpected like a novel.
It’s not paints 100%.
The brush I doubt also really.
Weight wise I really don’t see a book. Also different arm of GW so the deal probably doesn’t cover such things anyway.
But yeah another terrain issue or two.
Conquest had a separate subscriber only Silver Templars novella which ended up available on the main website like the Silver Templars paint set did. Imperium subbers have already had the option of a two book novella set.
It did. Which 100% wasn’t in an issue. So I’d say irrelevant to the What’s in the issues query
Anyone in the US still able to find issues in stores (B&N, BaM)? They used to come out weekly/biweekly, but haven't seen anything since issues 26-27 back in July.
Both stores have them, but it's hit or miss on what issue you get from them. Asked the counter folk, and they told me that they get what they get, no counting for what's on the trucks.
One thing, though-- The boxed specific games are on clearance. You can get the figures for 25 bucks a game. 40 and 50% off, depending your store.
My statement was intended to back you up on a book not being included with an issue as, previously, they've always been a separate offer.
Yeah I got ya.
Realize that reply looked very snappy rather than sort of agreeing with the point with jest about it not being part, adding to it was what I meant.
stevopotato wrote: Anyone in the US still able to find issues in stores (B&N, BaM)? They used to come out weekly/biweekly, but haven't seen anything since issues 26-27 back in July.
I might be wrong, but I think the UK business model is that they don't stock issues 1~80 in stores. Instead they run issues 1~10 or 20 in stores with the expectation that their "real customers" will get hooked at some point in the early releases and switch to being a subscriber (via the store or via the web).
stevopotato wrote: Anyone in the US still able to find issues in stores (B&N, BaM)? They used to come out weekly/biweekly, but haven't seen anything since issues 26-27 back in July.
I might be wrong, but I think the UK business model is that they don't stock issues 1~80 in stores. Instead they run issues 1~10 or 20 in stores with the expectation that their "real customers" will get hooked at some point in the early releases and switch to being a subscriber (via the store or via the web).
Main branch WH Smiths and some Tescos carry the full run.
Every now and then, I'm lucky enough to be at the local Martins newsagents early on a Thursday and find one.
You are right that if you want to have every issue, subscribe.
stevopotato wrote: Anyone in the US still able to find issues in stores (B&N, BaM)? They used to come out weekly/biweekly, but haven't seen anything since issues 26-27 back in July.
I might be wrong, but I think the UK business model is that they don't stock issues 1~80 in stores. Instead they run issues 1~10 or 20 in stores with the expectation that their "real customers" will get hooked at some point in the early releases and switch to being a subscriber (via the store or via the web).
Main branch WH Smiths and some Tescos carry the full run.
Every now and then, I'm lucky enough to be at the local Martins newsagents early on a Thursday and find one.
You are right that if you want to have every issue, subscribe.
stevopotato wrote: Anyone in the US still able to find issues in stores (B&N, BaM)? They used to come out weekly/biweekly, but haven't seen anything since issues 26-27 back in July.
I haven't seen any in Barnes and Nobles since around May.
I'm not that interested in any of those issues but I might pick up a couple of the atv and fire-strike turrets which they say are due soon.
I don't particularly like either kit in it's standard format and I didn't want to spend cash experimenting with them at full price, however they will be half price with the mag. I think I could have some use for unmanned turrets in narrative games and if I can think of/ find an example of a cool atv conversion I'll happily add some to my white scars.
Greyfax seems good for £10, I like that style of Inquisitor a lot (back in the day I much preferred Coteaz but I've come to appreciate the WH style over the years. I think I have a couple of those Inquisitor Lorr in blister stashed away somewhere now that I think about it).
When did they sell Cawl? I don't remember that, maybe I'm thinking of a different triumvirate I know there's been more than one.
JWBS wrote: Greyfax seems good for £10, I like that style of Inquisitor a lot (back in the day I much preferred Coteaz but I've come to appreciate the WH style over the years. I think I have a couple of those Inquisitor Lorr in blister stashed away somewhere now that I think about it).
When did they sell Cawl? I don't remember that, maybe I'm thinking of a different triumvirate I know there's been more than one.
The first set was Cawl, Greyfax and Celestine. The second the Ynnari. The third was Gulliman, Cypher and Grand Master Voldus.
I guess I could see them having Cawl and Celestine in those last ten issues. But this would still be an odd one off, so I wonder if there's anything else that are going to come with these last few deliveries as an add on? There's not many plastic characters left for the Necrons, just Szeras and the Psychomancer I think? Until you get to the very expensive kits with the Silent King and Void Dragon.
I bet the Redemptor dreadnought will be the ETB kit from the beginning of 8th. Other then that, those are some great choices!
I hope they will be available in Germany, too...
Ohhh I will HAVE to grab some of these issues! Hexmark and Ulluminator Szeras are great grabs for one issue each! I'm also really tempted to get the Inquisitor. Even though I've no interest in an inquisition army she can join the small collection of character Imperial models that I've got to be one day made into a legion of the Genstealer Cults.
At least if they go to retailers as normal and thus I can order them off Forbidden Planet. Though this looks like I'll have to stalk the websites like crazy as I've feeling those character issues will sell out really fast (not as fast as flayed ones but fast all the same)
Brickfix wrote: I bet the Redemptor dreadnought will be the ETB kit from the beginning of 8th. Other then that, those are some great choices!
I hope they will be available in Germany, too...
It would seem odd to bring the ETB model back into production and repeat a release from Conquest. Fauxhammer says it's the full kit.
Brickfix wrote: I bet the Redemptor dreadnought will be the ETB kit from the beginning of 8th. Other then that, those are some great choices!
I hope they will be available in Germany, too...
It would seem odd to bring the ETB model back into production and repeat a release from Conquest. Fauxhammer says it's the full kit.
I would certainly prefer to be wrong, I'm just a little cynical at times.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: Have I missed something? It seems that the contents of issues 81-90 have been revealed but not issues 71-80?
We already knew the contents of 1-80 as a whole, 81-90 were added after the fact and we didn't know the new content. Also of note, we don't know the exact issues these are in of the 10.
Overread wrote: Did I miss issues 71-5 on Forbidden Planet? Can't tell if they've just not listed them or if they've sold out entirely
Sold out I'm afraid. They went quite quickly when they were listed. My guess is some scalpers have ordered large quantities to resell. Most actual collectors will have ordered 2-3 of each as well
Platuan4th wrote: You can subscribe directly from the Imperium website. Barnes and Noble carried them in stores for the first few months but seems to have dropped them.
It looks like you cannot actually do that at present. I was just by the website and the subscriptions are listed as Out of Stock, so if you didn't jump on initially it seems you're SoL.
Overread wrote: Did I miss issues 71-5 on Forbidden Planet? Can't tell if they've just not listed them or if they've sold out entirely
Sold out I'm afraid. They went quite quickly when they were listed. My guess is some scalpers have ordered large quantities to resell. Most actual collectors will have ordered 2-3 of each as well
Darn!
I mean I'm not surprised those were some very neat and interesting issues, though I didn't think the lychguard were going to sell out that fast :(
I'll just have to be hotter when the next wave goes on pre-order!!
Platuan4th wrote: You can subscribe directly from the Imperium website. Barnes and Noble carried them in stores for the first few months but seems to have dropped them.
It looks like you cannot actually do that at present. I was just by the website and the subscriptions are listed as Out of Stock, so if you didn't jump on initially it seems you're SoL.
Huh. I knew the Premium one had, didn't see the standard version had, too.
Overread wrote: Did I miss issues 71-5 on Forbidden Planet? Can't tell if they've just not listed them or if they've sold out entirely
Sold out I'm afraid. They went quite quickly when they were listed. My guess is some scalpers have ordered large quantities to resell. Most actual collectors will have ordered 2-3 of each as well
Darn!
I mean I'm not surprised those were some very neat and interesting issues, though I didn't think the lychguard were going to sell out that fast :(
I'll just have to be hotter when the next wave goes on pre-order!!
You can just place them on preorder as soon as they're available. Then when the contents are rumoured, you can go through and delete from your order the ones you don't want. This has proven pretty failsafe for me.
I'm trying to pre-order issues 74 & 76 on Forbidden planet, but they don't seem to be available, but issues 75 and 77 are. Anyone know what's going on with them?
Once they sell out of the copies they have available (or their pre-order allocation) they remove them from the website,
so if they've gone you'll need to try instore as my local once usually has 1 or 2 to put on the shelves even for the issues that sold out, although they don't last long for the 'great value' issue
Issues 79-82 are now available for preorder from Forbidden Planet. They've been very slow to update recently, these are the first new issues listed since early December.
Shoot, and we don't know what's in issues 81 and 82 yet.
If only the remaining issues were available now.. then I could pre-order them all and then cancel the ones I don't want once I know which issues have which models lol
Considering its almost all special characters I've put in a preorder for the two that are up and will cancel if they turn out to not be things I'm after once we get the reveal. I'm pretty sure they will sell like crazy too
Overread wrote: Considering its almost all special characters I've put in a preorder for the two that are up and will cancel if they turn out to not be things I'm after once we get the reveal. I'm pretty sure they will sell like crazy too
Yeah, I've done the same, it's not too much of a gamble if I keep my eye on things.
Is there a list of what is coming in the final ten issues?
Edit:, it's okay, I found it. I'm not keen on the Necrons so I'll cancel if it's them.
US subs: Have you guys gotten your January shipment or are they way behind this month? Just wondering as I had a small hiccup with billing due to moving and I need to know if I need to email them asking if they forgot about me.
Platuan4th wrote: US subs: Have you guys gotten your January shipment or are they way behind this month? Just wondering as I had a small hiccup with billing due to moving and I need to know if I need to email them asking if they forgot about me.
Platuan4th wrote: US subs: Have you guys gotten your January shipment or are they way behind this month? Just wondering as I had a small hiccup with billing due to moving and I need to know if I need to email them asking if they forgot about me.
Mine showed up last Thursday or Friday.
The 3rd binder was in this shipment.
Platuan4th wrote: Also, I doubt they're firing up a machine to use an OOP kit just for a magazine when a kit they currently produce anyway will suffice.
They did exactly this for the Aggressors, using the old OOP easy to build mold instead of using the current one, so I wouldn’t assume that at all.
At this point, has anyone seen any new issues at Barnes and Noble? I haven’t seen anything in months in the four stores near me.
Platuan4th wrote: Also, I doubt they're firing up a machine to use an OOP kit just for a magazine when a kit they currently produce anyway will suffice.
They did exactly this for the Aggressors, using the old OOP easy to build mold instead of using the current one, so I wouldn’t assume that at all.
At this point, has anyone seen any new issues at Barnes and Noble? I haven’t seen anything in months in the four stores near me.
At the time Imperium was released in the UK, the ETB Aggressors were still regular product and not OOP. So no, when they designed the sub, they didn't pull out an OOP mold just for it. Conversely, when they added more issues, the ETB Redemptor WAS OOP.
B&N stopped carrying around the early 20's because they had hoards of the painting issues going to returns each month and corporate decided the sales of the other issues didn't counter the wasted stock.
Platuan4th wrote: Also, I doubt they're firing up a machine to use an OOP kit just for a magazine when a kit they currently produce anyway will suffice.
They did exactly this for the Aggressors, using the old OOP easy to build mold instead of using the current one, so I wouldn’t assume that at all.
At this point, has anyone seen any new issues at Barnes and Noble? I haven’t seen anything in months in the four stores near me.
At the time Imperium was released in the UK, the ETB Aggressors were still regular product and not OOP. So no, when they designed the sub, they didn't pull out an OOP mold just for it. Conversely, when they added more issues, the ETB Redemptor WAS OOP.
This is wrong. The ETB Aggressors were out of stock for a long time when Imperium started in the UK. ETB Agressors have been OOP since before 9th came out.
B&N stopped carrying around the early 20's because they had hoards of the painting issues going to returns each month and corporate decided the sales of the other issues didn't counter the wasted stock.
Here, issue 26 came (and maybe 27, I can’t remember), then issue 11 (I know, weird), and then things stopped.
Conquest was all coloured plastic, which suggests that the sprues for the magazines are made specifically for the magazines - they're not just sourcing stock from wherever (although there might be a bit of this, hence the switch to grey plastic to allow it).
So I don't think it's a case of them caring particularly which mold gets used. The advantage of using the old kit is they can re-use the build/paint page assets from Conquest. But it's a minor advantage.
deano2099 wrote: Conquest was all coloured plastic, which suggests that the sprues for the magazines are made specifically for the magazines - they're not just sourcing stock from wherever (although there might be a bit of this, hence the switch to grey plastic to allow it).
So I don't think it's a case of them caring particularly which mold gets used. The advantage of using the old kit is they can re-use the build/paint page assets from Conquest. But it's a minor advantage.
I think the choice for ETB is two-fold:
* Easier for starting players with limited experience, for whom the magazine is developed. (I often wonder how many starting players spend $1,000+ on a weekly magazine, but that’s another discussion)
* Retain the value of the multi-part kit. “You want a better model with more weapon options? We got you covered (for extra moneys!)”
The switch to grey plastics is, I suspect, to make painting easier. Covering up that bright blue is not always easy.
At issue 80+ the starting players with no experience will have almost two years of experience at that point though (including many non-ETB kits).
Having said that, we got Necron Flayed Ones in issue 15 so I'm not entirely sure they're considering the difficulty of the build at all!
deano2099 wrote: At issue 80+ the starting players with no experience will have almost two years of experience at that point though (including many non-ETB kits).
Having said that, we got Necron Flayed Ones in issue 15 so I'm not entirely sure they're considering the difficulty of the build at all!
That’s very true, I didn’t think about the flayed ones.
I think it's a function of sprue count. They have an estimate amount of miniatures they want to deliver in total. If they can have the same miniatures in less sprues (2 vs 3 for the aggressors, 2 vs 1 for assault intercessor), they will use those. If they don't have starter set sprues, they use the full kit. At the beginning of the part work, the use the ETB figures so people can test out the painting scheme and get used to painting without the risk of incomplete units in case they mess up (also, the first issues are extremely cheap, so it makes sense the contain the cheapest miniatures in terms of production cost).
As the target audience is adults (which teen can spend 10€ every month, i sure couldn't) modeling skill plays a minor role I would guess.
Brickfix wrote: As the target audience is adults (which teen can spend 10€ every month, i sure couldn't) modeling skill plays a minor role I would guess.
Kids and adults with kids are the target demographic. It's a reasonable enough amount that a parent can say "Do X chores and do your homework and you can get this thing", especially if they also check the actual retail value of the kits that are in the lineup.
I wonder if 83 and 84 just haven't been listed yet? Because if they've sold out they sold out super fast as they weren't up this morning when I checked last.
Also note that I've defaulted to just ordering them (as I only want heroes I only need 1 issue) on pre-order and cancelling if they don't work out. It's the only way now that there's so much attention on the collection
Not necessarily, they could split them up as they've done that in the past. Might depend on how the sprue is setup. If the individual sprue can be built on their own then they could put something else there; if they all interconnect and you need all 3 to build each one then they'd have to keep them together.
Overread wrote: I wonder if 83 and 84 just haven't been listed yet? Because if they've sold out they sold out super fast as they weren't up this morning when I checked last.
Seems a bit odd, doesn't it? Like you I've been checking fairly frequently and I've never known them to sell out so fast. Will keep checking this week and hope to see them appear at some stage. I've come this far - it would be frustrating to miss some issues now.
Might be odd, but then again these aren't going on sale for a month or more so could just be a lax element in updating the listings. Could also be Hattchetworks being a pain not releasing certain info that's needed to generate the listings for the magazines.
FP list a lot for sale across many ranges so it might have just slipped into a different batch of content for updating. Heck maybe the 83-84 are mistakes and they'll have to back-add the other previous two.
As the target audience is adults (which teen can spend 10€ every month, i sure couldn't) modeling skill plays a minor role I would guess.
It's absolutely been created with kids in mind, and getting them into the hobby - its pretty clear from how they are written and laid out that are all ages. €10 a month really isn't that much. I mean White Dwarf is €9 isn't it?
Maybe he means 10 a week? As pretty sure the price for magazine is about 10 per magazine 4 a week?
But still I doubt 10e/week for hobby for parents is such a deal breaker. I know my nieces have hobbies that cost way more than that(horse riding which is about 20 euro's per lesson. Weekly...)
Depends largely does parent see that as a hobby worth funding over soccer/horse riding/basketball/whatever. Or allow both(one of my nieces had 3 hobbies at once Dance, horse riding and handball).
Of course doesn't apply for every family but ultimately it's not so much can teen afford but can parents afford the kid's hobby.
The war for the Ramasus System continues in Issues 81-90 of Imperium! You’ll receive eight new miniatures as well as new rules, missions and other exciting Warhammer 40,000 content!
Your next delivery will contain Issues 79-82, kickstarting your additional issues with your first two Paragon Warsuit miniatures – a powerful elite unit to add to your Adepta Sororitas forces.
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Seems a bit strange. You are going to be sent issues 81 and 82 only for a punter to return them if they don't want them. Fine for me, I'm going all the way to 90 but surely it would have been better to give the customer the option to stop at 80.
Well, take this as a heads up for the all the non-UK subscribers and get your rejection in early if you don't want anything past issue 80.
It's probably because of how production is done. Remember whilst they are 4 issues they are sent to subscribers in one shipment. So the warehouse/packing system they use is likely all setup for 1 order of 4 magazines and its more cost effective for them to do it that way than double their postage and shipping splitting it into two waves sent at the same time.
They then bank on people not wanting to go through the hassle of sending the two issues back; or more people being tempted to last out to 90 and not cancelling in the first place.
89 and 90 are going to sell like crazy. Going to have to hound the Forbidden Planet website to snap those two up. But at least I've got an order for the Hexmark all locked in safe
Overread wrote: 89 and 90 are going to sell like crazy. Going to have to hound the Forbidden Planet website to snap those two up. But at least I've got an order for the Hexmark all locked in safe
I subscribe but may have tolook at grabbing another of the Inquisitor.
I'm 90% decided that I will never have the time or inspiration to do the Nectins do they will likely be off to the secondary market.
They haven't grabbed me like the Plague Marines did from Conquest.
The Dreadnouggt will join my Silver Templars. The majority of the Marjnes from the latter stages if Imperium will end up as Howling Griffons.
I'm having nightmares that 40K Partwork version 3 will consist of a lot of those Desolator Marines or whatever that new Primaris unit is called.
What is on anyone else's wishlist for version 3?
I'd like to see small detachments of the various Chaos Cult Marines even if it's just a Champion type and a squad of each.
Woah cheap as! I hope my local newsagent can get me subscribed again mid-series, not sure how the model works here in Australia... Great additions to the Indomitus marines I have!
Edit - Wait whoop,s THREE issues to build a dread so not great value after all :(
3 issues for a full redemptor is still pretty good value, it beats third party discounts solidly in the UK.
FP has part 1 of the redemptor but I'm probably going to hold off for now as I don't want to be paying for shipping more than once. Need to keep eagle eyes!
Mad tempted to pick up a couple of Dreads but lord knows when they'd ever get painted.
RustyNumber wrote: Woah cheap as! I hope my local newsagent can get me subscribed again mid-series, not sure how the model works here in Australia... Great additions to the Indomitus marines I have!
Edit - Wait whoop,s THREE issues to build a dread so not great value after all :(
Three issues fir the full version is decent. The ETB version in Conquest was two issues.
Tyranid Horde wrote: 3 issues for a full redemptor is still pretty good value, it beats third party discounts solidly in the UK.
So it's 3x£8.54 =£25.62 but is the shipping combined or you need to pay £2.00 per issue? If its per issue it puts this at £31.62
Does it come with decals?
Tyranid Horde wrote: 3 issues for a full redemptor is still pretty good value, it beats third party discounts solidly in the UK.
So it's 3x£8.54 =£25.62 but is the shipping combined or you need to pay £2.00 per issue? If its per issue it puts this at £31.62
Does it come with decals?
Combined shipping yeah. I fortunately have a Forbidden Planet in relative proximity so I save on shipping. Don't think any of the Imperium mags came with decals, though I don't factor them into the value of a kit. Either way, it's still cheaper!
Yeah, decals don't enter my thoughts when I'm working out the value of kits, but I've been in the hobby long enough to have stacks of the things.
I've been waiting for the last few issues to be available on Forbidden Planet, I check multiple times a day and nothing so far. I was going to wait for them to become available before I placed an order for other issues, I'm glad that I didn't because it looks like issue 85 is now sold out.
Forbidden Planet has been hard work the last few months.... I used to be able to preorder 10+ issues at a time but recently they've only been putting preorders up 2-4 issues at a time and they do get sold out. I'm just waiting on issues 87-90 to go up and then I'm done (apart from trying to grab a couple more binders - do Hachette ever sell them off at the end of a run or am I eBay bound?).
I'm seriously considering subscribing to Stormbringer just to take the hassle out of having to check the FP website daily.
I'd like to see small detachments of the various Chaos Cult Marines even if it's just a Champion type and a squad of each.
I hope we have a bit of a break. I'm looking at subscribing to Stormbringer and my bank balance can't take two subscriptions running simultaneously for too long.
The next run will presumably be based on whatever ends up in the 10th edition box set. What's the rumour mill for that - Blood Angels vs Tyrannids? At least that would give us a bit of variety in colour scheme on the space marine side. No idea who to pair them with though.
I'm not currently very excited by 'nids but presume a new box set would mean some new sculpts which might change my mind. I'd be very tempted if they paired them with some Genestealer cults though - not sure I've seen a Genestealer model I haven't liked.
Teatonev wrote: Forbidden Planet has been hard work the last few months.... I used to be able to preorder 10+ issues at a time but recently they've only been putting preorders up 2-4 issues at a time and they do get sold out. I'm just waiting on issues 87-90 to go up and then I'm done (apart from trying to grab a couple more binders - do Hachette ever sell them off at the end of a run or am I eBay bound?).
The binders never ran out for Conquest and along with remaining issues went half price from Hachette after the run ended.
Hachette also started selling the extras that were originally for subbers only so anyone was then able to pick up the novella, the art books and even the Silver Templars paint and model set.
Imperium must have been popular because even the binders are showing out of stock on Hachette's pages.
Of note, Hachette have not discounted the remaining Mortal Realms issues even though Stormbringer is up and running.
Tyranid Horde wrote: 3 issues for a full redemptor is still pretty good value, it beats third party discounts solidly in the UK.
So it's 3x£8.54 =£25.62 but is the shipping combined or you need to pay £2.00 per issue? If its per issue it puts this at £31.62
Does it come with decals?
VS
£36.13 plus shipping £3.79 from an online store.
Subscribers don't get charged shipping at all.
Forbidden planet is combined at £2.00.
I believe it’s £5.50 for shipping of three or more issues. (£2 for one, £3.75 for two).
Teatonev wrote: Forbidden Planet has been hard work the last few months.... I used to be able to preorder 10+ issues at a time but recently they've only been putting preorders up 2-4 issues at a time and they do get sold out. I'm just waiting on issues 87-90 to go up and then I'm done (apart from trying to grab a couple more binders - do Hachette ever sell them off at the end of a run or am I eBay bound?).
Teatonev wrote: Forbidden Planet has been hard work the last few months.... I used to be able to preorder 10+ issues at a time but recently they've only been putting preorders up 2-4 issues at a time and they do get sold out. I'm just waiting on issues 87-90 to go up and then I'm done (apart from trying to grab a couple more binders - do Hachette ever sell them off at the end of a run or am I eBay bound?).
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I've been waiting for the last few issues to be available on Forbidden Planet, I check multiple times a day and nothing so far. I was going to wait for them to become available before I placed an order for other issues, I'm glad that I didn't because it looks like issue 85 is now sold out.
Forbidden Planet have some more copies of issue 85 up if anyone missed out.
Got it thanks for the heads up! I'd checked their site this morning and didn't see them so these things do go up suddenly.
Got one of each and one of the Hexmark before. Inquisitor will enter my slow-build Genstealer force (and by slow I mean its currently her and the character guardswoman from before so really slow).
Overread wrote: Got it thanks for the heads up! I'd checked their site this morning and didn't see them so these things do go up suddenly.
Got one of each and one of the Hexmark before. Inquisitor will enter my slow-build Genstealer force (and by slow I mean its currently her and the character guardswoman from before so really slow).
No problem, glad that you were able to get what you wanted
It's a shame that we can't set up some kind of alarm for future Hatchette releases, so that Dakka users who are interested can get alerted the moment that one of us notices that a big issue is released
Overread wrote: Got it thanks for the heads up! I'd checked their site this morning and didn't see them so these things do go up suddenly.
Got one of each and one of the Hexmark before. Inquisitor will enter my slow-build Genstealer force (and by slow I mean its currently her and the character guardswoman from before so really slow).
No problem, glad that you were able to get what you wanted
It's a shame that we can't set up some kind of alarm for future Hatchette releases, so that Dakka users who are interested can get alerted the moment that one of us notices that a big issue is released
If enough people asked, a tracker site like the unfortunately-named nowinstock.net might add it
The problem is as soon as someone builds a tracker that works it ends up like sniping on ebay - instead of a few hours to catch the news you've seconds before the stock is gone. If anything random updates at least might give people a chance over scalpers who love tracking solutions
Teatonev wrote: Have 87&88 been listed yet in Forbidden Planet? I've preordered 88 and 90 but haven't seen the others yet - I don't think I've missed them....
Is it now confirmed to end at 90, because they were considering extending it, and when I cleared up a delivery problem from Hachette customer services only two weeks ago I asked if 90 was the end of series and they didnt know and told me that an extension had not been ruled out.
Hachette 40K Imperium the book series was scheduled 1-80 but became 1-100.
I'll probably join up for the 10th edition run. I have been happy with this deal, and have nothing but good things to say about it. My run right now is up to Issue 15.
Had a few hiccups so far, but no show stoppers.
As a beginning players deal, I recommend it, before jumping in on the FOMO boxed sets.
Grot 6 wrote: I'll probably join up for the 10th edition run. I have been happy with this deal, and have nothing but good things to say about it. My run right now is up to Issue 15.
Had a few hiccups so far, but no show stoppers.
As a beginning players deal, I recommend it, before jumping in on the FOMO boxed sets.
Interestingly one of the fluff pieces in the magazine in issue 77 or 78 is on the Leagues of Votaan, which obviously hadn't come back and weren't even called that at the point the collection launch right? So I guess the partwork itself is not planned out as far in advance as you might expect.
Orlanth wrote: Is it now confirmed to end at 90, because they were considering extending it, and when I cleared up a delivery problem from Hachette customer services only two weeks ago I asked if 90 was the end of series and they didnt know and told me that an extension had not been ruled out.
Hachette 40K Imperium the book series was scheduled 1-80 but became 1-100.
As was the Transformers one.
Having said that I can't see them doing two extensions. They'd need to do another binder etc and the lead time on those things is non-trivial. I still think the random inclusion of Greyfax is because they accidentally produced a load and forgot that the Dreadnaught is three sprues or something.
I wouldn't completely rule out some more optional extras? I'm surprised they didn't do the Royal Court or Honoured of the Chapter at any point, and given their crazy GW prices you could probably charge £30 - £35 (one each per subscriber) and they'd go. Being subscriber only would stop too many going to scalpers for eBay.
Lord Damocles wrote: They're not writing the issues just prior to going to print. They'll probably have been largely finalised years ago.
Yeah - that's what I'd assumed which is why I was surprised by the Leagues of Votaan article. Certainly it makes me suspect the extension wasn't planned until much later so they've planned extra fluff for that and moved some of the latter issue content around a bit.
I don't think we'll see a further extension and I'm not sure we'll get any more extras either. I've just had issues 75-78 on subscription so that's three deliveries left, and they generally have to do an opt-out letter followed by bonus content in the next delivery so time is quite limited
Orlanth wrote: Is it now confirmed to end at 90, because they were considering extending it, and when I cleared up a delivery problem from Hachette customer services only two weeks ago I asked if 90 was the end of series and they didnt know and told me that an extension had not been ruled out.
Hachette 40K Imperium the book series was scheduled 1-80 but became 1-100.
As was the Transformers one.
Having said that I can't see them doing two extensions. They'd need to do another binder etc and the lead time on those things is non-trivial. I still think the random inclusion of Greyfax is because they accidentally produced a load and forgot that the Dreadnaught is three sprues or something.
I wouldn't completely rule out some more optional extras? I'm surprised they didn't do the Royal Court or Honoured of the Chapter at any point, and given their crazy GW prices you could probably charge £30 - £35 (one each per subscriber) and they'd go. Being subscriber only would stop too many going to scalpers for eBay.
The Royal Court were Issue 50. Your point stands for the Honoured of the Chapter sprue.
I'm guessing when Hatchette get around to a 10th Ed partworks, it will be Dark Angels vs Tyranids with some GSC and other Imperium, and end with the Lion kit.
MajorWesJanson wrote: I'm guessing when Hatchette get around to a 10th Ed partworks, it will be Dark Angels vs Tyranids with some GSC and other Imperium, and end with the Lion kit.
RG is a 5 year old model at this point though.
Doubt the lion will be included as a massive discount so early to be honest. Maybe in a few more years.
For info, that's the last of the UK issues in the shops. I was lucky to find an Illuminor Szeras in WH Smiths.
Once Conquest reached this stage, the Hachette website showed a restock of a fair amount of issues before starting a half price sale. It could be something for UK gamers to look out for. Additionally, Forbidden Planet are showing some restocks as well as the Firestrike Turret turned up again.
MajorWesJanson wrote: I'm guessing when Hatchette get around to a 10th Ed partworks, it will be Dark Angels vs Tyranids with some GSC and other Imperium, and end with the Lion kit.
RG is a 5 year old model at this point though.
Doubt the lion will be included as a massive discount so early to be honest. Maybe in a few more years.
We are talking about 16 months until Stormbringer ends and a new collection starts, then towards the end of that collection we are talking 2.5 years. It won't be that early by then!
Does anyone have a comprehensive list of the paints that come in Imperium? Preferably somewhere that isn't that horrific fauxhammer blog if at all possible.
For info, that's the last of the UK issues in the shops. I was lucky to find an Illuminor Szeras in WH Smiths.
Once Conquest reached this stage, the Hachette website showed a restock of a fair amount of issues before starting a half price sale. It could be something for UK gamers to look out for. Additionally, Forbidden Planet are showing some restocks as well as the Firestrike Turret turned up again.
Forbidden planet was picked clean of Szeras. Managed to find a copy tucked behind the inquisitor issue.
Thanks for the reminder about their restocking phase and sale. I scooped up a bunch of stuff with Conquest last time.
It might be worth noting the Mortal Realms magazine has been finished for ages and hasn't been discounted yet, so a sale could be quite far off as I'd imagine that would be reduced first.
Ashaar wrote: It might be worth noting the Mortal Realms magazine has been finished for ages and hasn't been discounted yet, so a sale could be quite far off as I'd imagine that would be reduced first.
A fair point. The first step towards the end for Conquest was placing on general sale the products, art books and the Silver Templars model/ paint set, that had previously been available to subscribers only.
I'd say Cawl has a chance but that's likely just hopium on my part.
