It's called freedom paper...get it right!

Racerguy180 wrote:
It's called freedom paper...get it right!

I thought that is what we wipe our with . Oh well, learn something new all the time.

Racerguy180 wrote:
It's called freedom paper...get it right!

Also known as foolscap.

I’m so torn about subbing to this one.
On the one hand I have too many models already.
On the other hand I shouldn’t be wasting money.
So I suppose all things considered I should subscribe..

Problem is, I don’t need a lot of it (read: any) really. Conquest and Mortal Realms I ended up selling a lot of the contents off, which although was good, as I made what I kept a lot lower in price (and much was already a deal at £8 an issue). I did have to sit on them for a while to do so and not sure I can be bothered another time.

I think cherry picking will be the way. Maybe just the odd nice character, sprue of sisters as they’re just nice sculpts, then the big good value pieces perhaps.
My last 7 or 8 Conquest issues I did that with just to get the last of my Death Guard characters I needed and such, making it pretty cheap with the one postage bulk order from FP..

I'm aiming to just cherry-picking the Necron stuff. Picked up Indomitus and think it's a perfect excuse to expand into them.

Quick question though, and apologies if already asked, but all the pushing at the minute, you reckon this is all for the trial run? With Conquest and Mortal Realms they did the trial before general release. I'd rather just wait for general release. There's nothing about it on Forbidden Planet yet. The best place to cherry-pick.

Yeah I think trial personally.
No confirmation as they get everyone signed up and then tell you it was just a trial.

However, if it was full release, then likely FP and the Hachette site would have it in there..

Yep this will be the trial, if it were the main release it would be all over the GW social media pages

I don't know why they even bother with a trial run.
They are asking: Do space marines sell?

Do drugs? Does cola?

 Orlanth wrote:
I don't know why they even bother with a trial run.
They are asking: Do space marines sell?

Do drugs? Does cola?

For Conquest, Space Marines were around 25% of the issues (roughly based on Marine, Death Guard, terrain, paint rotation).

For Imperium, they're sharing that 25% with Nuns and Mechanicus.

By trialling subscribers, are they perhaps gauging the numbers who will likely commit to the full run before deciding how many they will print per issue?

That said, by the end of Conquest, I was the proud owner of three £15.98 Plague Burst Crawlers, four £7.99 Blight Haulers and three cheap as chips Repulsors. Don't ask about the £7.99 Rhinos.

Of course they'll make money.

Hachette broke even on Conquest by edition 4, according to GW management sources. Though this did include predictive sales from subscriptions a percentage of which they would lose to cancellations.

 Orlanth wrote:
Hachette broke even on Conquest by edition 4, according to GW management sources. Though this did include predictive sales from subscriptions a percentage of which they would lose to cancellations.

From launch to the removal of Conquest from the website, Hachette probably broke even due to me.

GW profited after I picked up Mortarion due to Conquest.

I'm eyeiing up cheap Skitarii and the Kataphron Breachers. They'll probably persuade me to buy up an Archeaopter.


How about a £8.99 (worst case spread over two issues) Invader ATV. I certainly wouldn't pay £26.50 for one.

alphaecho wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
I don't know why they even bother with a trial run.
They are asking: Do space marines sell?

Do drugs? Does cola?

For Conquest, Space Marines were around 25% of the issues (roughly based on Marine, Death Guard, terrain, paint rotation).

For Imperium, they're sharing that 25% with Nuns and Mechanicus.

By trialling subscribers, are they perhaps gauging the numbers who will likely commit to the full run before deciding how many they will print per issue?

That said, by the end of Conquest, I was the proud owner of three £15.98 Plague Burst Crawlers, four £7.99 Blight Haulers and three cheap as chips Repulsors. Don't ask about the £7.99 Rhinos.

Of course they'll make money.

Mine was similar, though I actually only got one PBC (as I’m converting two more from Mantic’s Forge Father tanks as they were laying around and I must do things with the stuff I’ve got).
But also. One of each £20 ish character for a little under £7 with the forbidden planet discounts was great.

alphaecho wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Hachette broke even on Conquest by edition 4, according to GW management sources. Though this did include predictive sales from subscriptions a percentage of which they would lose to cancellations.

From launch to the removal of Conquest from the website, Hachette probably broke even due to me.

GW profited after I picked up Mortarion due to Conquest.

I'm eyeiing up cheap Skitarii and the Kataphron Breachers. They'll probably persuade me to buy up an Archeaopter.


How about a £8.99 (worst case spread over two issues) Invader ATV. I certainly wouldn't pay £26.50 for one.

I bought a lot of issue 80. Would an Invader spread over 2 issues not cost £18?

JWBS wrote:

alphaecho wrote:
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How about a £8.99 (worst case spread over two issues) Invader ATV. I certainly wouldn't pay £26.50 for one.

I bought a lot of issue 80. Would an Invader spread over 2 issues not cost £18?

One issue £8.99. The worst case would be if it was spread over two.

So I had some spare time and was curious about what the breakdown will actually look like. I took the list from fauxhammer and broke down what kits and how many sprues per kit there are in it. I count 73 sprues in total, and if it's like previous ones we are looking at about 1/4 of the issues being paint, so some of the issues will have more than one sprue. My guess is models like the cryptek that are split on two small sprues will still come as one issue, and we may see units of three (tomb blades, wraiths etc.) split across two issues rather than three.

Imperium
Firestrike Servo-Turret 1
Outriders 1
Primaris Invader ATV 2
Start Collecting Vanguard 3
Marneus Calgar with Victrix Honour Guard 2
Roboute Guilliman 3
Primaris Librarian in Phobos Armour 1
Primaris Captain  1
Recruit edition sprue of 5 assault intercessors 2
Paint Set Assault Intercessors  1
Primaris Lieutenant  1
Easy Build Primaris Aggressors 1
Sisters of Battle Army Box 4 (originally had 3 but I forgot the cannoness)
Kataphron Destroyers 1 (had 3 but it's a multi part sprue)
Tech-Priest Dominus 2
Tech-Priest Enginseer 1
Skitarii Rangers 1 (had 3 but it's a multi part sprue)

Necrons
Necrons Royal Court 1
Canoptek Spyder 2
Skorpekh Destroyers and plasmacyte 1
20 Necron Warriors and scarabs 2
Paint Set Necron Warriors 1
Royal Warden 1
Flayed Ones 1
Lokhust Heavy Destroyer 1
Necron Destroyer 1
Necron Overlord 1
Triarch Stalker 1 (had 3 but it's a multi part sprue)
Necron Cryptek 2
Tomb Blades 3
Annihilation Barge / Catacomb Command Barge 1 (had 3 but it's a multi part sprue)
Canoptek Wraiths 1 (had 3 but it's a multi part sprue)
Deathmarks 1 (had 2 but it's a multi part sprue)
Chronomancer 2
Necron Lychguard 1 (had 2 but it's a multi part sprue)

Terrain
Munitorum Armoured Containers 3 (1 each)
Haemotrope Reactor 2 (1 each)
Sub-cloister and Storage Fane 4 (2 sets of 2)
Thermic Plasma Conduits 1 (maybe two hard to tell from the picture)

I've probably made some mistakes, but I thought it was interesting it might give some insight on how the breakdown will actually go.

Edit: Fixed the numbers after Arcanum pointed out that some were multipart sprues, rather than sperate sprues. Brings the total sprues to 62, so pretty close to what's expected.

You can add the exclusive Canoness to the list (1) too.

a lot of kits you have listed are frames that come out of the press in one piece and are then snapped to fit in a box. I don't think they are going to split those across multiple issues.

Lord Damocles wrote:You can add the exclusive Canoness to the list (1) too.

Thanks, I updated the numbers.

arcanum wrote:a lot of kits you have listed are frames that come out of the press in one piece and are then snapped to fit in a box. I don't think they are going to split those across multiple issues.

I had a look at the online store to see the sprues, and I thought I had caught all of those, (such as the outriders being one big sprue that's broken into one large and one small), but if any are wrong feel free to let me know which ones and I'll update the numbers.

Thanks for feedback everyone. With what's been said, I'm inclined to think this is a trial. Gotta agree that if this was general release, GW would be all over it.

Though if the frames can be snapped, I suppose they may always do that into the mags

Also, a lot of mention of the paints being 25% of the issues.
But I’d say it’s a lot less as many were in with sprues etc.
there weren’t 20 paint only issues were there? I mean there could have been, I never did full runs of either. But I don’t remember seeing that many.

 ManSizedTarget wrote:

I had a look at the online store to see the sprues, and I thought I had caught all of those, (such as the outriders being one big sprue that's broken into one large and one small), but if any are wrong feel free to let me know which ones and I'll update the numbers.

Think you got most of them.

Danny76 wrote:
Though if the frames can be snapped, I suppose they may always do that into the mags

Also, a lot of mention of the paints being 25% of the issues.
But I’d say it’s a lot less as many were in with sprues etc.
there weren’t 20 paint only issues were there? I mean there could have been, I never did full runs of either. But I don’t remember seeing that many.

I doubt they are going to have their production and packaging set up to have half sprues split between issues, but it is possible. I did a full sub to Conquest (mostly through inertia towards the back third) I cannot remember the break down of pure paint issues, but 20% wouldn't surprise me.

Also noticed that the mocked up front covers all have art on them rather than pictures of models. That is going to make selective issue scalping a bit harder. In conquest and MR if the front of the magazine has models on it they are what is included with the issue.

Issues 1-4 have the models on the cover too.


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Oh also. Some of the conquest issues definitely just had pictures but I think they might have been paint only ones or repeats maybe?
Either way. The blurb at the bottom always said the name of the unit or character in both runs. So I’d assume the same here too.

Apperantly this will also be coming to Canada?



Question was: Will it be available in Canada?
Translation: This collection will be available soon, but we are not able to give the exact date because it is not yet confirmed by the head office

 ManSizedTarget wrote:


Annihilation Barge / Catacomb Command Barge 1 (had 3 but it's a multi part sprue)
.

This could still come in 2 magazines like rhino in previous(and wasn't repulsor like 3?). While getting 30 pound kit for 9 would be cool it's more likely to go for 18.

 Matrindur wrote:
Apperantly this will also be coming to Canada?



Question was: Will it be available in Canada?
Translation: This collection will be available soon, but we are not able to give the exact date because it is not yet confirmed by the head office

Where’s the screenshot from?


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tneva82 wrote:

 ManSizedTarget wrote:


Annihilation Barge / Catacomb Command Barge 1 (had 3 but it's a multi part sprue)
.

This could still come in 2 magazines like rhino in previous(and wasn't repulsor like 3?). While getting 30 pound kit for 9 would be cool it's more likely to go for 18.

Yeah for sure that’ll be two issues.
You never got three sprues together in any of the others did you? That I can recall.
Maybe a character would but how it’d get to three screws I don’t know.

tneva82 wrote:

 ManSizedTarget wrote:


Annihilation Barge / Catacomb Command Barge 1 (had 3 but it's a multi part sprue)
.

This could still come in 2 magazines like rhino in previous(and wasn't repulsor like 3?). While getting 30 pound kit for 9 would be cool it's more likely to go for 18.

The Repulsor was officially spread over 4 issues although the fourth was the flight stand and base. Possibly the only 'bummer' issue of the 80 part run.

The one I’m mostly interested in, other than Flayed Ones (pretty much guaranteed to be a single issue) would be Lychguard.


See, they’re not a single sprue, and come in boxes of 5 for £30 RRP. If that’s a single issue, I’ll be having as many as I can snaffle.

1. They’re rock hard in the game.
2. My original ones are victims of Dodgy Plastic Glue, and unplayable fragile as a result.

Danny76 wrote:
Also, a lot of mention of the paints being 25% of the issues.
But I’d say it’s a lot less as many were in with sprues etc.
there weren’t 20 paint only issues were there? I mean there could have been, I never did full runs of either. But I don’t remember seeing that many.

Using this list as a source, I count 15 issues which were paint-only issues, or paint and brush issues, at least. So ~20%, rather than 25%?

I'm undecided on this one, but if I do go in for it, it'll just be a standard sub, not a Premium one.

And Necrons should definitely be easier to figure out a simple scheme to paint up quickly than Death Guard

Danny76 wrote:

You never got three sprues together in any of the others did you? That I can recall.
Maybe a character would but how it’d get to three screws I don’t know.

Its not out until the 24th but issue 57 of Mortal Realms comes with 3 sprues that build a complete set of 5 Hexwraiths or 5 Black Knights. Its currently unavailable on Forbidden Planet so it must've sold out pretty fast.
https://forbiddenplanet.com/317850-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-mortal-realms-57/

I think with infantry sized models they want to give us something that we can start assembling right away, so if all the bits needed to build a model are spread out across multiple sprues then there's a good chance they could all come in a single issue. However if the models are self contained within their own sprues then they'll most likely get split up across 2 or possibly even 3 issues.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The one I’m mostly interested in, other than Flayed Ones (pretty much guaranteed to be a single issue) would be Lychguard.


See, they’re not a single sprue, and come in boxes of 5 for £30 RRP. If that’s a single issue, I’ll be having as many as I can snaffle.

1. They’re rock hard in the game.
2. My original ones are victims of Dodgy Plastic Glue, and unplayable fragile as a result.

I'm also interested in seeing what happens with the Lychguard, i could see them try and hype them up as an elite unit and stretch them out over 2 issues. God help me if they're a single issue though, there's 4 different load outs in the kit and the collector in me is saying I should be greedy and buy at least 10 of each model...

Skitarri and Kataphron's are the other one's i'm excited about but i think they'll both probably be spread out over two issues.

Mr Gutsy wrote:


Skitarri and Kataphron's are the other one's i'm excited about but i think they'll both probably be spread out over two issues.

Kataphrons will be spread out over 3 issues with 1 mini per issue. They each come on their own sprue unfortunately, so this would be approx. the same price as buying fro ma 3rd party seller. I really hope I'm wrong as I have 15 and would like another 15 but they're a little ££.

Danny76 wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Apperantly this will also be coming to Canada?



Question was: Will it be available in Canada?
Translation: This collection will be available soon, but we are not able to give the exact date because it is not yet confirmed by the head office

Where’s the screenshot from?

I saw it here: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2021/03/coming-to-america-warhammer-imperium.html

As far as I remember they got a good track record for leaks concerning AoS so I don't think they would promote a fake image

 laam999 wrote:

Mr Gutsy wrote:


Skitarri and Kataphron's are the other one's i'm excited about but i think they'll both probably be spread out over two issues.

Kataphrons will be spread out over 3 issues with 1 mini per issue. They each come on their own sprue unfortunately, so this would be approx. the same price as buying fro ma 3rd party seller. I really hope I'm wrong as I have 15 and would like another 15 but they're a little ££.

The three bikes in Conquest were split 2/1, so they might only be across two issues.

In terms of the contents per sprue and thus issue contents.

For the SoB box. (Unlike Dark Imperium with that one DG body on the poxwalker sprue, which is now hilariously in an official box release there are no parts for models spread over the two sprues except the holster option for the icon bearer)

Sprue A: 10 models
1 Penitent Engine
1 Seraphim squad leader with plasma pistol and power sword.
1 Repentia superior
2 Repentia
1 Arco-flagellant
1 Battle Sister squad leader with chainsword
1 Battle Sister with heavy bolter
1 Battle Sister with flamer
1 Battle Sister with icon

Sprue B: 8 Models, this sprue is doubled in the army box and there are some extra bits and heads to make each model unique when doubled.
3 Standard Battle Sisters
2 Seraphim
2 Repentia
1 Arco-flagellant

So one issue with Sprue A and two issues with Sprue B. Both look like they will be excellent deals, particularly considering how monopose the multipart sisters are anyway. It's unclear if the flying stands will come with each release or all be released in one issue like I think happened with Conquest.

For the Sprues from Shadowspear it's a similar story, no parts for any model spread over the sprues and the B sprues being doubled with extra heads (The eliminator heads look like excellent conversion fodder for CSM, particularly plague marines) to make the doubled models unique.

Sprue A: 7 models
4 Infiltrators inc sargent
1 Lt in Phobos armour.
1 Eliminator sargent
1 Suppressor

Sprue B: 5 models
1 Suppressor
1 Eliminator
3 Infiltrators
.
Not as good value as the SoB sprues but Sprue A does come with enough to field a 5 man squad of infiltrators for the price of one issue and the spare eliminator heads on Sprue B are very nice bits. Also unclear if all the flying stands will be released in one issue or as the models come. (This is nominally a parts work release, you are supposed to get every issue.)

And then there will have to be one issue with the H sprue from Indomitus.

Sprue H from Indomitus contains 5 models.
1 Skorpekh Lord
1 Conoptek Reanimator
2 Cryptothralls
1 Plasmancer

What you will get are issues with the part sprues on them showcasing the individual models rounded down.

It was how Hachette handled Dark Imperium sprues in the Conquest campaign. The magazine cover highlights the individual models even though they do not form squads and are not used in the issue. The issue concentrates on painting guides for the models concerned which don't require much repeating for the duplicate sprue and the scenario uses other models until you have enough to use.

 Sentineil wrote:
Anyone else having trouble with the subscription number? I subscribed, and got sent an email confirming my subscription, but it didn't have the 13 digit number I need to register my account.

I contacted support through the system on the website, and they replied today... But I need to login to the account I don't have to see the reply...

I subscribed on the 4th of March, and my subscription number came through on the 8th. If you've not had yours, I imagine it'll be soon.

Well I’ve subscribed.
I’ll decide what I’m doing, but the fact that right now issue 1 & 2 plus the modelling stuff, is all for £2.99,
You can’t complain about that.

If I decide to stop then I’ve spent practically nothing, I always need the glue, and I don’t have that paint so that alone is worth it.

Primaris Lieutenant and Royal Warden for issue one does seem overly good value..
I have these two saved still on sprue, wondering whether I’d sell them on later.
Guess it’s out the window now..

Picking up a few copies of issue one might be worth it if you're kitbash minded, great base for some bladeguard vets.

The Lieutenant model is also pretty spanky in its own right.

Kinda tempted to use the Royal Warden as Phyrrian Eternals too....

SUBSCRIBERS: CHECK YOUR SPAM FILTERS

 AndrewGPaul wrote:


I subscribed on the 4th of March, and my subscription number came through on the 8th. If you've not had yours, I imagine it'll be soon.

Thanks Andrew Paul, I noticed I had not received an order number and checked my junk mail filters. It had all the info for my subscription. A warning is in order.

First place I checked

Despite subscribing to two others and removing them from junk. You’d think they’d stop going there..

Issues 1 & 2 shown here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2AidOOp_RE&lc=UgyrlGuIhULbs1NTULZ4AaABAg&ab_channel=FauxHammer

Unfortunately you have to give a view to Fauxhammer if you want to watch it..

Is this something that's likely to appear in shops at any point soon?

Hi I bought two Indomitus necron sets on ebay and have a subscription to Imperium. I dont know current necrons though, truth be told I didnt know that much about them before.

Please someone tell me what necron items from Indomitus are spammable and which do you only need one or two of.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Is this something that's likely to appear in shops at any point soon?

Soon. Not necessarily.
In shops though, yes. Maybe 2 months time let’s say?

Danny76 wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Is this something that's likely to appear in shops at any point soon?

Soon. Not necessarily.
In shops though, yes. Maybe 2 months time let’s say?

Is there a way to keep track? Every time this sort of thing is announced I always struggle to figure out when it's even meant to be in shops.

They've been spotted in southeast UK in Coventry and Southampton. Only the trial run though, so I'd expect we'll be waiting a while longer.

Hmm. I’m in the Saaarrrrf East. Guess it’s a trip to Sainsbury’s in a bit!

 regraham wrote:
Issues 1 & 2 shown here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2AidOOp_RE&lc=UgyrlGuIhULbs1NTULZ4AaABAg&ab_channel=FauxHammer

Thanks for the link but it was a sloppy review sadly. It glossed over anything interesting, but I was able to see a snippet of the paints and tools in the set from 5:18 onwards. I wish I had a close up of that.

We see the paint tools, which are:

1x Starter brush
1x Texture applicator
1x quality brush probably a smaller layer brush
1x Medium drybrush

And the paints

25x 12ml pots - see below
2x 18ml pots - from deduction almost certainly Cryptek Armourshade Gloss and Tesseract Glow
4x 24ml pots - from deduction two pots of Astrogranite, and probably Nuln oil and Agrax Earthshade

Of the 12ml pots three are directly confirmed Macragge Blue, Runelord Brass and Leadbelcher. There appears to be two pots of each from the shading of the pot tops, which fits in with what we got in Conquest.
I have looked at the pots as carefully as I can looking at tops exposed side colour and the colour the emblem on the pot side.
There are five white topped pots, two appears to be white, probably Ceremite White (red emblem) and White Scar (blue emblem). It doesnt appear to include Corax White (different emblem on the pot) and possible Hachette has the reserves of the old colour for this project. Of the three they are likely white topped metallic paints, likely Stormhost Silver, and Retributor Armour as they were included for Ultramarines in Conquest. The third white top is likely either Liberator Gold or Skullcrusher Brass, I suspect the latter as it would provide a final highlight for Runelord Brass which is the primary Necron colour.
There are four pots of red paint with at least three colours. They appear to be Khorne Red, Mephiston Red and either Wazzdakka Red or Evil Sunz scarlet. The fourth pot might be a duplicate or the other fourth colour.
The dark blue/purple pot appears to be Naggaroth Night. There is a strong yellow, likely Averland Sunset, though it could be a layer colour instead. there is also a light pink, either Emperor's Children, or Pink Horror. I dont know what these three are for but as far as I am concerned the weirder the selection the better as it will more likely bolster colours I dont have many of. There are also greys, ochre and fleshtones also, likely with Bugman's Glow included as it was staple for Conquest. And one grey topped pot likely is Abaddon Black.
The set has no dark earthtones other than Agrax Earthshade and no green except Tesseract Glow.

All in all its a decent boost to the paint collection as there isn't too much duplication from Conquest, other than the cascade of pots of Macragge Blue we end up with.

I did warn you..

Macragge Blue, I just don’t know what to do with it. I had 2 pots pre Conquest. I have about 8 since that and MR.

Good if there’s a lot of variance for sure..

its a shame they are not availble in europe

Like previous Hachettes I will get some numbers here and there I cannot justify a full subscription when a big part of the content is scenery or things I don't want need.

Its a dangerous thing this damn magazine! I ended up with a full Stormcast army and I didn't even like Stormcast all that much

Danny76 wrote:
I did warn you..

Macragge Blue, I just don’t know what to do with it. I had 2 pots pre Conquest. I have about 8 since that and MR.

Good if there’s a lot of variance for sure..

Only eight pots.

Checks my inventory file (yes I have one)....

Macragge Blue x15

and

Abaddon Black x12
Retributor Armour x20

I have more modest amounts, seven pots each, of Bugman's Glow and Leadbelcher.
And all this is after giving some away.

Issue #1 is in my local corner shop, didn't buy a copy since I want the local kids to have a chance, but it was nice to see it in the wild!

I have multiple pots of corax white that I'll probably never use, stuff is lumpy and horrible. On the plus side, having multiples of retributor armour and abaddon black is great as the metallic paint is "premium" and the black is a paint I go through quickly.

I am keen to grab runelord brass and leadbelcher, they're paints I have not tried yet.

More spotted in Norwich for anyone interested.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I have multiple pots of corax white that I'll probably never use.

What do you make of ceremite white, which is the stuff used here.

scarletsquig wrote:
Issue #1 is in my local corner shop, didn't buy a copy since I want the local kids to have a chance, but it was nice to see it in the wild!

In what part of the country are you? Wondering if anyone in the East Midlands has found them, only seen mentions of them being in the south.

What's the price of the first issue, even?

 Orlanth wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I have multiple pots of corax white that I'll probably never use.

What do you make of ceremite white, which is the stuff used here.

In my singular experience of ceramite white, it's not as bad as corax white but it's not my first choice of white. It's pretty grainy but finding a good white is a challenge.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I have multiple pots of corax white that I'll probably never use.

What do you make of ceremite white, which is the stuff used here.

In my singular experience of ceramite white, it's not as bad as corax white but it's not my first choice of white. It's pretty grainy but finding a good white is a challenge.

My usual reaction upon trying a new white

I'm seeing rumours on Facebook that Forbidden Planet won't be stocking this one, due to being left over from Conquest with too many dud issues (ala paints) nobody wanted, and the logistical struggles from last time.

Pinch of salt as ever, but if true, where else would we go to buy singles?

 Ketara wrote:
I'm seeing rumours on Facebook that Forbidden Planet won't be stocking this one, due to being left over from Conquest with too many dud issues (ala paints) nobody wanted, and the logistical struggles from last time.

Pinch of salt as ever, but if true, where else would we go to buy singles?

I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I have multiple pots of corax white that I'll probably never use, stuff is lumpy and horrible. On the plus side, having multiples of retributor armour and abaddon black is great as the metallic paint is "premium" and the black is a paint I go through quickly.

I am keen to grab runelord brass and leadbelcher, they're paints I have not tried yet.

More spotted in Norwich for anyone interested.

Norwich?
Didn’t come down this much last time did it?
Thought it was Yorkshire way.

Will have to check about in Ipswich and see if I can see any.


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 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Ketara wrote:
I'm seeing rumours on Facebook that Forbidden Planet won't be stocking this one, due to being left over from Conquest with too many dud issues (ala paints) nobody wanted, and the logistical struggles from last time.

Pinch of salt as ever, but if true, where else would we go to buy singles?

I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

Yeah don’t see that.
But where to buy singles would be the Hachette website I guess..
Or ask local newsagent to order issues in the right time frame (I guess most will try and get as many as they can if you have or will pay)..

Skeptical.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

 Irbis wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

The facebook lot claim it's not just the leftovers, but also the logistical angle of it. Some issues get people ordering a gajillion each, whilst others are essentially the magazine equivalent of tumbleweed. This has apparently led to a problem where the extremely unpredictable flux of orders creates issues with staffing (for dispatch) and warehousing. The profit on each magazine simply isn't sufficient to cover what is effectively a massive procurement headache. Given the additional Covid/safe working distance requirements on top, they're consequently thinking about just not doing it this time around.

Again, this is just what I'm reading elsewhere and may be either completely untrue or a few grains of truth exaggerated out of proportion. Salt always applies.

I think it is plausible.

My local WHSmith didnt like my on/off subscription to Conquest, and certainly didnt like sourcing multiple copies of some issues, and I was the only one doing so in that store.

It's extra work for them. Normally a subscription means one magazine per cycle, not up to five one cycle none the next.

 Ketara wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

The facebook lot claim it's not just the leftovers, but also the logistical angle of it. Some issues get people ordering a gajillion each, whilst others are essentially the magazine equivalent of tumbleweed. This has apparently led to a problem where the extremely unpredictable flux of orders creates issues with staffing (for dispatch) and warehousing. The profit on each magazine simply isn't sufficient to cover what is effectively a massive procurement headache. Given the additional Covid/safe working distance requirements on top, they're consequently thinking about just not doing it this time around.

Again, this is just what I'm reading elsewhere and may be either completely untrue or a few grains of truth exaggerated out of proportion. Salt always applies.

As a regular purchaser of issues from Forbidden Planet, the only issue that never seemed to sell was the base and stand for the Repulsor. Even that's not listed now. Maybe the £2.49 price they dropped it to worked? In know I picked up a couple at that price.

If they had a surplus of the paint issues, they never kept them listed on the website.

As you say, internet exaggeration and salt.

Hopefully the profit margin's a little better with an extra £1 on the sticker price. It's good for the hobby to have these widely circulated so I hope the likes of forbidden planet keep stocking it

For singles, I know Dark Sphere also do Mortal Realms. I've never ordered from them as Forbidden Planet have never let me down but I always keep an eye on them. If worst come to worst and FP don't stock Imperium, hopefully these guys do.

Always good to know of various sources for peeps like me wanting 8-12 of the Flayed One’s issue. Possibly 16 if the shadowy person from the nether realms I’m in contact with wants 40 of the buffers as well.

 Ketara wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

The facebook lot claim it's not just the leftovers, but also the logistical angle of it. Some issues get people ordering a gajillion each, whilst others are essentially the magazine equivalent of tumbleweed. This has apparently led to a problem where the extremely unpredictable flux of orders creates issues with staffing (for dispatch) and warehousing. The profit on each magazine simply isn't sufficient to cover what is effectively a massive procurement headache. Given the additional Covid/safe working distance requirements on top, they're consequently thinking about just not doing it this time around.

Again, this is just what I'm reading elsewhere and may be either completely untrue or a few grains of truth exaggerated out of proportion. Salt always applies.

I can understand the logistics angle- I ordered four back issues of Mortal Realms- all in stock, and two of them the same issue. Every time previously I've ordered several issues they've dispatched as one parcel a week or so after ordering, but this time they've sent three separate parcels within two days of ordering with the duplicate issues split across two of them! Perhaps they're distributing from more than one warehouse, but it can't be that cost effective even with £5.50 spent on postage with the doubtless small margins on each issue already.

You'd think there must be someone at Forbidden Planet HQ who is into Warhammer? While it's a logistical mess, it's not just that they could procure more/less of certain issues - there's nothing stopping them from selling at cover price (and possibly nothing stopping them selling even higher, depending on their agreement with Hachette).
It feels like they should be able to make it profitable.

I’ve a feeling that you’re just not allowed, as a first hand retailer, to sell above RRP in the U.K.?

Don’t quote me on that, as it may simply be mechanisms of capitalism and competition, but I’ve never seen someone sell above RRP unless they’re a filthy scalper of second hand goods.

Think you can charge pretty much whatever you want for stuff. Hence why shops in train stations can charge more for a mars bar than the supermarket does. As you say, I think it's more to do with supply and demand stopping them jacking up prices on things like this.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ve a feeling that you’re just not allowed, as a first hand retailer, to sell above RRP in the U.K.?

Don’t quote me on that, as it may simply be mechanisms of capitalism and competition, but I’ve never seen someone sell above RRP unless they’re a filthy scalper of second hand goods.

thing is RRP is basically seen as the maximum price the market will take. If you sell above it then your potential list of customers is much much smaller. They'll just go to places that are selling it at RRP. The only times I see prices go above the RRP are, as you say, with scalpers; but also when products reach the end of their line and are highly desirable at the same time. At that point some retailers will raise the prices on the last of the stock. It varies depending on the market of course -eg an old iPhone of the last model will go down; but a collectors edition might well go up. Going above RRP will have variable impacts on customer loyalty of course; if you're always jacking up the prices as soon as stock dwindles then you might lose custom to other retailers who are seen as "more fair" etc..


So yep I don't think there's any laws against going above RRP for products that aren't medical or essentials (I believe there are laws against that for some products). Though it also gets complicated, eg a load of supermarkets were fined for jointly raising the rrp on milk that they were charging whilst at the same time lowering the price paid to the farmer. So it gets complicated when industries try to inflate a price

You are allowed to sell above RRP in the Uk, it is not illegal. What is illegal is selling an item for more than the marked price. There are exceptions to that such as goods might be marked with a price 'plus VAT', but that is only itself legal if clearly marked.

This means that unmarked price goods can have a price label or a shelf label but may not exceed that, you can sell for less but not more. If goods are individually marked then by law they must be removed from the shelves to be repriced to prevent threshold cases where someone grabs an item from the shelf during repricing. This is why there is always a trolley (or should be) for people remarking goods in the discount isle.
Shelf labels make things easier as you just replace the shelf label.

Now magazines and some other goods have a marked price on them. This then dictates the price to the retailer as the price is fixed on the item. You can add a discount label to said item.
I am not sure but you may also be able to reprice it higher, but you would have to conceal the old price to avoid any confusion, that is very bad optics, so marked RRP goods almost always go for the price they are intended.

The final exception is for second hand goods, the RRP only applies to a primary retailer, a secondary retailer can mark the good at whatever price they think the market will bear, and do not have to cover over an original RRP label. This is how old manuals with old printed on prices, sometimes priced in shillings and pence are legally sold in shops.

 Ketara wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

The facebook lot claim it's not just the leftovers, but also the logistical angle of it. Some issues get people ordering a gajillion each, whilst others are essentially the magazine equivalent of tumbleweed. This has apparently led to a problem where the extremely unpredictable flux of orders creates issues with staffing (for dispatch) and warehousing. The profit on each magazine simply isn't sufficient to cover what is effectively a massive procurement headache. Given the additional Covid/safe working distance requirements on top, they're consequently thinking about just not doing it this time around.

Again, this is just what I'm reading elsewhere and may be either completely untrue or a few grains of truth exaggerated out of proportion. Salt always applies.

I wouldn't be surprised that it's true, looking at Forbidden Planet now, you can't pre-order the Hexwraith issue of Mortal Realms anymore as it's a dual kit and likely has everyone scrambling to get them.

Indeed, no laws against it. But you’d be hard pressed to go above as people would, and do, just complain.
Generally the Recommended part is seen as “recommend to sell at this much or less” as opposed to it’s true meaning.

 Elevenses wrote:

 Ketara wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

The facebook lot claim it's not just the leftovers, but also the logistical angle of it. Some issues get people ordering a gajillion each, whilst others are essentially the magazine equivalent of tumbleweed. This has apparently led to a problem where the extremely unpredictable flux of orders creates issues with staffing (for dispatch) and warehousing. The profit on each magazine simply isn't sufficient to cover what is effectively a massive procurement headache. Given the additional Covid/safe working distance requirements on top, they're consequently thinking about just not doing it this time around.

Again, this is just what I'm reading elsewhere and may be either completely untrue or a few grains of truth exaggerated out of proportion. Salt always applies.

I can understand the logistics angle- I ordered four back issues of Mortal Realms- all in stock, and two of them the same issue. Every time previously I've ordered several issues they've dispatched as one parcel a week or so after ordering, but this time they've sent three separate parcels within two days of ordering with the duplicate issues split across two of them! Perhaps they're distributing from more than one warehouse, but it can't be that cost effective even with £5.50 spent on postage with the doubtless small margins on each issue already.

Any time you order multiple issues coming to the £5.50 postage point.
If there are issues coming out down the line they send them as they come out.
I ordered all my DG characters that weren’t out and I had 8 odd deliveries spread over the months, for the low postage.
So it’s a set precedent with them anyway

 Ketara wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

The facebook lot claim it's not just the leftovers, but also the logistical angle of it. Some issues get people ordering a gajillion each, whilst others are essentially the magazine equivalent of tumbleweed. This has apparently led to a problem where the extremely unpredictable flux of orders creates issues with staffing (for dispatch) and warehousing. The profit on each magazine simply isn't sufficient to cover what is effectively a massive procurement headache. Given the additional Covid/safe working distance requirements on top, they're consequently thinking about just not doing it this time around.

Again, this is just what I'm reading elsewhere and may be either completely untrue or a few grains of truth exaggerated out of proportion. Salt always applies.

I really don't find that believable, as it sounds like a fundamental misunderstanding of how these subscription things work and borderline incompetence if this is all a surprise them after all the other similar products they've sold. The idea that they don't want to stock Imperium because they'll sell more of some issues than others and people tend to buy lots of certain issues, just seems utterly absurd. They're a site that has done plenty of other partworks magazines and i'm sure it's a similar situation with comics, which they sell a lot of, it's not like Conquest was the first partworks thing they've done.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

I really don't find that believable, as it sounds like a fundamental misunderstanding of how these subscription things work and borderline incompetence if this is all a surprise them after all the other similar products they've sold. The idea that they don't want to stock Imperium because they'll sell more of some issues than others and people tend to buy lots of certain issues, just seems utterly absurd. They're a site that has done plenty of other partworks magazines and i'm sure it's a similar situation with comics, which they sell a lot of, it's not like Conquest was the first partworks thing they've done.

I genuinely hope you're right, as I want to buy Imperium from them!

That all having been said, I've no idea how many of set issues of Conquest sold for, and how many Imperium they're expecting to fly off the shelves. Without figures, all we can do is hope it's not true and cross our fingers.

 skeleton wrote:
its a shame they are not availble in europe

Mortal Realms is now available in France.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/12/assemble-mighty-armies-with-mortal-realms-magazine-now-available-in-france/

Imperium might become available in 2023!!!

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Ketara wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

The facebook lot claim it's not just the leftovers, but also the logistical angle of it. Some issues get people ordering a gajillion each, whilst others are essentially the magazine equivalent of tumbleweed. This has apparently led to a problem where the extremely unpredictable flux of orders creates issues with staffing (for dispatch) and warehousing. The profit on each magazine simply isn't sufficient to cover what is effectively a massive procurement headache. Given the additional Covid/safe working distance requirements on top, they're consequently thinking about just not doing it this time around.

Again, this is just what I'm reading elsewhere and may be either completely untrue or a few grains of truth exaggerated out of proportion. Salt always applies.

I really don't find that believable, as it sounds like a fundamental misunderstanding of how these subscription things work and borderline incompetence if this is all a surprise them after all the other similar products they've sold. The idea that they don't want to stock Imperium because they'll sell more of some issues than others and people tend to buy lots of certain issues, just seems utterly absurd. They're a site that has done plenty of other partworks magazines and i'm sure it's a similar situation with comics, which they sell a lot of, it's not like Conquest was the first partworks thing they've done.

This is pretty much what I think. It's a fairly bizarre theory but it crops up frequently on this board - that the fundamentals of the business model are a complete mystery to the business itself, but are hilariously obvious to the consumer (ie everyone that posts here). The business can't get it right, and it happens over and again year upon year but the solution is very simple, just ask rand0mguy87, he has made a thread about it and everyone agrees. The idea that we can all see which issues are going to be super sellers and which issues will stay on the shelf (we can), but that no one at HQ can arrive at the same conclusion is obviously not correct.

Big part of the issue for forbidden planet is only charging you once on postage even if they send out multiple issues as they come in. that must massively cut into their margins.

also rumours that hatchette has changed their returns policy for shops, so FP would be stuck with any they can't sell.

alphaecho wrote:

 skeleton wrote:
its a shame they are not availble in europe

Mortal Realms is now available in France.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/12/assemble-mighty-armies-with-mortal-realms-magazine-now-available-in-france/

Imperium might become available in 2023!!!

Conquest, Imperium and Mortal Realms were organised by Hachette UK, but that is a subsidiary of Hachette Publishing which is a French company.

For any international Dakkanauts, I’ve got two of the Mortal Realms exclusive models in Mint Condition.

Yours for the cover price plus postage, just PM me.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Danny76 wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Is this something that's likely to appear in shops at any point soon?

Soon. Not necessarily.
In shops though, yes. Maybe 2 months time let’s say?

Is there a way to keep track? Every time this sort of thing is announced I always struggle to figure out when it's even meant to be in shops.

I imagine it'll be announced on the Warhammer Community website.


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 Orlanth wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
I did warn you..

Macragge Blue, I just don’t know what to do with it. I had 2 pots pre Conquest. I have about 8 since that and MR.

Good if there’s a lot of variance for sure..

Only eight pots.

Checks my inventory file (yes I have one)....

Macragge Blue x15

and

Abaddon Black x12
Retributor Armour x20

I have more modest amounts, seven pots each, of Bugman's Glow and Leadbelcher.
And all this is after giving some away.

I used up all my Macragge Blue from Conquest, but then, I did paint the Marines as Ultramarines.

I basically haven’t started my marines yet. I had decided on an Ultramarines successor (as I like doing my own stuff), just because I thought I better use all the blue..

Several Underworlds warbands feature blue. I think if I ever do the stormcast they’ll be mainly blue.
Anything else I can really. Just use blue for everything..

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For any international Dakkanauts, I’ve got two of the Mortal Realms exclusive models in Mint Condition.

Yours for the cover price plus postage, just PM me.

Which minis are these?

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
I did warn you..

Macragge Blue, I just don’t know what to do with it. I had 2 pots pre Conquest. I have about 8 since that and MR.

Good if there’s a lot of variance for sure..

Only eight pots.

Checks my inventory file (yes I have one)....

Macragge Blue x15

and

Abaddon Black x12
Retributor Armour x20

I have more modest amounts, seven pots each, of Bugman's Glow and Leadbelcher.
And all this is after giving some away.

I used up all my Macragge Blue from Conquest, but then, I did paint the Marines as Ultramarines.

I painted (future tense) mine in Kantor Blue, dont know yet if I have enough.
The extra paint came from extra copies of Issue 1, a restrained five copies total, plus many ebay lots which unsuprisingly were flush with these colours. I did buy a batch of pots of only Retributor armour, Macragge Blue, Abaddon Black and Leadbelcher for the unwholesome number of pots of Retributor armour it contained. That colour is very useful, tends to be expensive otherwise and was at the time cheap on ebay. I also bought a batch of Nuln Oil and Agrax Earthshade, eight pots of each, for another ludicrously low price, and have zero regrets doing so.

That being said I have given away several pots of the above colours and others spammed during Conquest to freinds who could afford it less and didnt buy up the cheap deals at the right time. I still have plenty for myself.
A while back I asked on Dakka for a formula for making a homebrew Kantor Blue from Magragge Blue. The experiment failed, but In did buy a number of 30ml and 50ml dropper bottles. I use 50ml dropper bottles for my four main shades, Nuln Oil, Agrax Earthshade, Seraphon Sepia and Reikland Fleshshade, if you have managed to store up several of these pots i recommend doing this. I also keep 30ml bottles for mixing two entire pots into one bottle. I made a pot of Abaddon Black and Leadbelcher for the armour of my chaos warriors, and should be able to recreate this with two more whole pots. I made a 30ml pot of Abaddon Black and Mephiston Red for their cloaks, and can recreate that too. This works well, especially the former paint which is now my go to for gothic dark iron.

I recommend thinking outside the box with spammed colours, I have yet to add Macragge Blue to Abaddon Black, and I will to do soon as an alt dark blue for general use, but I wont be using it for Crimson Fists.

How easy is it to get it out of a GW pot and into a dropper?
That’s a good idea for the mixing.

The chaos black yeah I have about 10.
I don’t mind as it’s a well used colour but still takes ages to get through just the one open one.
Same with retributor, it’s a great base for anything metallic that isn’t silver so can see use.

The first 2, 6 or 10 issues is possibly all I will go to.
So having some good paints in there is good. Would be ideal if they’re ones I didn’t have.
Or even better if it’s just not paints or terrain..

Danny76 wrote:
How easy is it to get it out of a GW pot and into a dropper?
That’s a good idea for the mixing.

Not good, trying to measure out paint is difficult, pouring it is harder then it looks, you will need a funnel and some distilled water. Pour as much as you can, then add some water close the pot and slosh it around, that should get the rest out. Better yet, if you have a large enough funnel turn the pot upside down and let gravity do its thing, just cover it with cling film to prevent the paint drying up. Ideally you want as small a funnel as possible so the funnel plus cling film traps as little air as possible.
Some people use pipettes, I havent tried that but one use pipettes are wasteful and you will still need to slosh out the paint to get it all.

Danny76 wrote:

The chaos black yeah I have about 10.
I don’t mind as it’s a well used colour but still takes ages to get through just the one open one.
Same with retributor, it’s a great base for anything metallic that isn’t silver so can see use.

Consider sacrificing one of each to the paint gods, to make a 'dark gold'. You can find out what it is useful for later.
Not all colours mix together well but black is generally a safe addition. Broadly speaking for acrylic pigments you are mixing chemicals not palette colours, so red and blue might not make purple.

Danny76 wrote:

The first 2, 6 or 10 issues is possibly all I will go to.
So having some good paints in there is good. Would be ideal if they’re ones I didn’t have.
Or even better if it’s just not paints or terrain..

The paints dilute issue value as normally you get one or two pots of paint as your issue contents, and are only useful if you want to collect the magazine. Don't overlook that, while n Imperium subscription magazine is superfluous to someone who has Conquest its still a decent quality product and collection.
Sprues and Brews did a run down of the savings for the collection and it came up to over £400, though admittedly from Gw retail prices, so by and large you are saving £150ish over the prices you would find on an indie online store. Though this ignores that some contents are not avaialbe elsewhere, and the pricetally did not include the paints brushes or paints.

In fact lets take a look at that.

https://spruesandbrews.com/2021/03/04/warhammer-40k-imperium-breaking-down-the-contents-value/



Summary of above in spoiler quotes:

Ultramarines – £309
Sisters of Battle - £85ish
Mechanicus – £85
Total Imperium army value £479

Necrons - £525

Scenery - £152.50

Total £1156.50

"For 80 issues at £8.99 it will cost you account £719 for the entire 20 month run of the magazine, which saves you around £437.50 on what you get in models over the course of the run"

Fauxhammer came up with its own savings chart:

https://www.fauxhammer.com/news/warhammer-imperium-magazine-full-collection-savings-breakdown/

Warhammer Imperium Savings Breakdown
Space Marines - £317.05
Sisters of Battle - £125.00 (This price is based on the Adepta Sororitas box set which includes the 8th Ed codex, cards and some dice.)
Adeptus Mechanicus - £105.00
Necron - £547.70
Terrain - £157.50
Total Value - £1252.25 (This also did not include subscription gifts or paints.)
Warhammer Imperium Collection Cost - £701.22
Total Savings £551.03

Now in both cases the above isn't exactly true as there are hidden extras, £7.99 (might be more) for each blinder after the first, plus additional content such as story books. From what I have heard Hachette have decided not to repeat the Painting Silver Templars set deal for Mortal Realms and had multiple novellas instead, which is likely cheaper to produce and have an arbitrary price. Imperium might go the same way.
But we also have to include the subscription gifts which are not inconsiderable. Let us tally those now as best we can with the info available.

Citadel plastic glue - £4.50
older model cutters, older sprue line scraper tool - est £10 (not available outside of the painting set boxes and are basically less than free if the paints in the sets are priced at full retail, the current seperate tools would cost £32)
large base brush - £5.45
small base brush - £4.15
medium shade brush - £5.35
painting handle - £7
I wont value up the binder and art prints (but the cost Hachette charges for the binders is £7.99 during Conquest)

£26.45 in confirmed prices plus arbitrary value of old tools. Total value £35-£40

Now lets add what we know of the paints and tools in the subcription

Starter paint brush - £0 not available for sale (actually useful as a disposable one use tool for brush on varnish, do keep these for what you need them).
Medium texture - £5.15
Small/Medium layer brush (unconfirmed) - £4.60/£4.90
Medium drybrush - $4.10
4x 24ml pots and 2x 18ml pots - all £4.75 regardless of type or colour
21x 12ml pots - all pots £2.75 regardless of type or colour -
4x 12ml pots with white tops - may contain either white paint at £2.75 or metallic paints at £3.70 (will assume one pot is a second white paint and three are metallics)
Paints value total -£100.10, as we can only estimate the number of metallics lets round to a ton.

Total value of paints and tools £140 estimated.

So to round it all up for easy digestion:

IMPERIUM magazine standard subscription
APPROX VALUE = £1300 (plus arbitrary value of magazine and artwork)
APPROX COST = £750 (including estimated hidden extras for binders, but excluding books)

Up to you Dakka if that is worth it.

As with the first two. Yeah it’s definitely worth it cost to goods as it were.
But only if you want everything in there.

For me, I don’t want any scenery and likely most paints are repeats, though still potentially useable eventually, so those costs are out.
Then definitely a lot of the models are hit and miss for me.

Though it’s great to see a mix in the Imperium side.
Unless you want three small armies of those factions it actually lessens the value.
(If someone wanted Marines and Necrons, two full armies would obviously be best, but the sisters and Ad Mech are just small sampling’s almost like the premium factions are.
You end up with six small groups, a middle sized one and then a large Necron force).


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Maybe when one of each of the Black and Gold get around the halfway point, I’ll just do some kind of mash up into one of the pots.
Doesn’t matter if it doesn’t all come out of the pot. Can just open a new one of each.

Looks good. I do wish GW hadn't thrown Calgar and Bobby G in. I don't play Smurfs.

Blastaar wrote:
Looks good. I do wish GW hadn't thrown Calgar and Bobby G in. I don't play Smurfs.

I’m sure there’ll be folk to sell them on to

For sure. At these inevitable low price you’ll make back the issue cost (probably more if you wait till they’re sold out to be honest.)

It'll also turn out to be better value by the time it finishes as that'll be 2 years from now and the price of some of those kits is bound to go up!

I'll be curious to see the contents of the magazine itself - the "play" stuff will obviously be different from Conquest as it's a new edition, but I wonder if the collect/read stuff will be all "new" or will repeat a lot of stuff from Conquest wholesale.

Blastaar wrote:
Looks good. I do wish GW hadn't thrown Calgar and Bobby G in. I don't play Smurfs.

Nothing better than chopping up a character model for your own army!

From the Warhammer 40,000: Conquest FB Page:

Standard.
I’ll expect a delivery in several months time then.
Ideally with the whole of delivery one free.


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Got the same info via email too.

Booo,

That's my Ultramarines army project on hold till September then.

"Extra Extra, cheap Space Marines sell like hot cakes"

Who knew?

"This is currently a limited regional run to judge the level of uptake..."

You think they'd know that by now, given how successful the first one was in various countries.

I bought Issue 1 today, pretty happy with it, exclusive captain mini will be in issue 5, so that's one to watch out for.

I collected necrons and black templars about 15 years ago, but sold the armies off, tempting to recollect them with new minis, but I'll probably cherry-pick issues since the terrain and paints don't interest me at all.

The magazine isn't anything special, just assembly guide and very basic railroaded beginner combat scenario which does at least have an objective -based element to it even if the odds are stacked against the necron player.

scarletsquig wrote:
I bought Issue 1 today, pretty happy with it, exclusive captain mini will be in issue 5, so that's one to watch out for.

I collected necrons and black templars about 15 years ago, but sold the armies off, tempting to recollect them with new minis, but I'll probably cherry-pick issues since the terrain and paints don't interest me at all.

The magazine isn't anything special, just assembly guide and very basic railroaded beginner combat scenario which does at least have an objective -based element to it even if the odds are stacked against the necron player.

Was that a purchase from a news agents?

The magazines aren't the best for people already playing. I never really bothered reading them for Conquest or Mortal Realms. I imagine they're awesome for people just starting out and especially for little ones.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"This is currently a limited regional run to judge the level of update..."

You think they'd know that by now, given how successful the first one was in various countries.

True but

1) Part of the book is repeating the Space Marines line, which means it might not be "as" popular to existing marine customers who might already have all the marines they want

2) Outreach to new customers is clearly part of their study as well and it might be one Warhammer 40K magazine hit that market enough that there's no market left to reach out too

3) It's likely just part of how they conduct their business every time they do a partworks magazine. Even if they already know its going to be super popular its part of their company structure

4) There might be background elements that they like to test out with a trial release that lets them smooth out back end aspects which customers aren't aware of. This might even be down to just the way the magazine is presented and shipped and packed and such

I certainly know my local wh smiths was annoyed by the huge cardboard backing on mortal realms early issues

Picked one up in southernmost London today, it doesn’t have the obvious bargain appeal of previous first issues but two great figs for 2.99 - I’ll definitely pick up another one or two when it’s released for real - this time I left the rest for someone else to enjoy

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I certainly know my local wh smiths was annoyed by the huge cardboard backing on mortal realms early issues

I never really canvasses the opinion of the staff in my local WH Smith but. in that store at least, they appear to have a special set of shelves for partworks.

By special, the bottom half is an open box affair that appears to be set up to take opening issues and the larger issues for ongoing series with twp sets of shelves for the ongoing issues of Mortal Realms, Marvel and Batman hardbacks and so on.

Getting multiple copies of Conquest Issue 1 home did take up bag space though.

 Kinetochore wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:
I bought Issue 1 today, pretty happy with it, exclusive captain mini will be in issue 5, so that's one to watch out for.

I collected necrons and black templars about 15 years ago, but sold the armies off, tempting to recollect them with new minis, but I'll probably cherry-pick issues since the terrain and paints don't interest me at all.

The magazine isn't anything special, just assembly guide and very basic railroaded beginner combat scenario which does at least have an objective -based element to it even if the odds are stacked against the necron player.

Was that a purchase from a news agents?

Just a corner shop with a really small magazine section. In Norwich though so one of the trial areas. I asked the shopkeeper if he was getting any future issues, he says he didn't know and just stocks whatever magazines arrive with the standard delivery.

My locals Smiths (large 2 floor store) sounds like it has the same display shelf unit right by the door but stock is very limited.

Top shelf will occasionally have a couple of copies of the first issue of new partworks, the second shelf sometimes has a single later issue of a DC graphic novel partwork and lying flat out of sight in the bottom of the open box they very occasionally have an issue of Mortal Realms. About 75% of the time, the entire shelf unit is completely empty.

The Smiths local to my work has a smaller 3ft double sided display that always has a couple of mortal realms issues each week along with sci-fi or car model partworks.

I think it entirely depends on the staff with the store close to my work actually making an effort with partworks and the store by my house likely just doing the bare minimum with new titles and subscription issues that have not been picked up.

Its times like these that wish I had a good friend in the UK that could pick up select issues for me!

Aeneades wrote:
My locals Smiths (large 2 floor store) sounds like it has the same display shelf unit right by the door but stock is very limited.

Top shelf will occasionally have a couple of copies of the first issue of new partworks, the second shelf sometimes has a single later issue of a DC graphic novel partwork and lying flat out of sight in the bottom of the open box they very occasionally have an issue of Mortal Realms. About 75% of the time, the entire shelf unit is completely empty.

The Smiths local to my work has a smaller 3ft double sided display that always has a couple of mortal realms issues each week along with sci-fi or car model partworks.

I think it entirely depends on the staff with the store close to my work actually making an effort with partworks and the store by my house likely just doing the bare minimum with new titles and subscription issues that have not been picked up.

Or the one with bare shelves it just gets picked clean quicker..

 Alpharius wrote:
Its times like these that wish I had a good friend in the UK that could pick up select issues for me!

Unless you like wait all 80 weeks and do whole at once might not be cheaper than gw due to shipping...

There is fb group that could help. Also not sure does uk have those but reshipping company might help(in essence they provide you with uk address, mail sent there gets reshipped to you . I use similar time to time to buy from japanese stores that don't ship outside japan)

 Orlanth wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
How easy is it to get it out of a GW pot and into a dropper?
That’s a good idea for the mixing.

Some people use pipettes, I havent tried that but one use pipettes are wasteful ...

I've got a single-use pipette I've been using for nearly 20 years.

Blastaar wrote:
Looks good. I do wish GW hadn't thrown Calgar and Bobby G in. I don't play Smurfs.

I mean, for the price your paying you can always cut them up and use them for basing if there's no conversions that spring to mind.

cody.d. wrote:

Blastaar wrote:
Looks good. I do wish GW hadn't thrown Calgar and Bobby G in. I don't play Smurfs.

I mean, for the price your paying you can always cut them up and use them for basing if there's no conversions that spring to mind.

I know. Maybe sand all the flashy crap of Rowboat, give him a new head and.. The Lion! He'd still have to be allied in to DA though lol. Not that I play atm.

I’d love to see a few dead Primarch bases..
I’m guessing he will be 2 issues and £18.

Two body sections in one issue.
Then base and extra pieces sprue in the second issue

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
How easy is it to get it out of a GW pot and into a dropper?
That’s a good idea for the mixing.

Some people use pipettes, I havent tried that but one use pipettes are wasteful ...

I've got a single-use pipette I've been using for nearly 20 years.

For water? I have a 'one use' syringe for that.

Got an email tonight saying the proper launch is looking like summer 2021.

I can clear the pile of shame by then right?

Yeah they've sent me that email twice now, bit weird.

Yeah I got it again today. Two weeks after the first time they sent it roughly..

Danny76 wrote:
Yeah I got it again today. Two weeks after the first time they sent it roughly..

You know, I didn't notice the date on the first email and thought this was new info. My bad

But it’s odd that it came out again at all.
Maybe they realized they hadn’t emailed everyone but didn’t know who had or hadn’t gotten one, so just did a mass email again.

I haven’t received any emails aside from my subscription number.

They haven’t done subscription numbers yet have they?
I’m sure the last times those came post trial..?

Danny76 wrote:
They haven’t done subscription numbers yet have they?
I’m sure the last times those came post trial..?

I signed up on the 13th March and got a subscription number the next day.

Same here

Had to double check, but I also have one dated the 4th March.

Edit: 4k posts woo!

Ah I never checked my sign up email just the ones after when I was looking for one.
I’ll have to go back and look..

I went to the Imperium site to double check something and it looks like subscriptions have been closed for a while, it's just a holding page now with a newsletter sign-up form. Hopefully this means that the cogs are whirring in the Hachette machine and they get cracking on it. And hopefully Summer 2021 means EARLY Summer 2021 - we've been in lockdown forever and I need something new in my life

There’s a sign up for the USA, which is nice.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1PkpsI46S0EXVa_XV1k-_tiZRalfgHUe3x1ogPwTLLCGP5Z5V0RBWi6L0&v=j9TJG_IiRD0&feature=youtu.be


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Link https://warhammer40000imperium-usa.com/

The US site was taking orders earlier today; the site has a ‘subscribe now’ button on the upper right that takes you to a page that lets you decide where to start your subscription (you can start with issue 1, or issue 2 if you got one already as a preview), and then you process your payment. No indication really of when you might get anything, though. All subject to GWs availability, I am sure. There definitely could be issues there. But if you want everything, it’s a good deal. 80 issues at 11.95 a pop. https://www.warhammer40000imperium.com/

It’s particularly good for clubs and youth groups, as it’s relatively affordable month on month, and gives you a lot of stuffs.


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Can someone who can brain offer a comment on how the cover price compares to the U.K. cover price of £8.99?

Strikes me as a more favourable exchange rate than GW offer, which should mean you make an even bigger saving than us?

It's currently equivalent to 8.67 gbp

Definitely a steal then I’d say.

Or the other way around, at today’s exchange rate, paying in pounds sterling, you’re paying the equivalent of $12.39USD for what we’re getting for $11.90. It’s still a good deal regardless, if you want all the stuff, or have an outlet to sell off or trade the stuff you don’t want.

Quick look on the GW site.

A box of Skorpekh destroyers makes an interesting comparison.

GW price in GBP? £34.50. Hachette price? £8.99

GW price in USD? $55.00. Hachette price? $11.95

Now not all issue are of comparable value of course. But across Conquest and Mortal Realms, the only one which didn’t provide a clear saving was the Base and Stem thing for the Repulsor. But even then, across the three issues needed to get the complete tank you were saving around 50%ish.

I could not help but notice they are not offering the enhanced options for the 4 Start Collecting armies, but I subscribed anyway.

Too many figures are rarely enough.

This news makes me very happy.

My nephews Star Dragons & my Bloody Rose will benefit mightily.

So can i like, start with certain issues and then stop when i get what i want?
Like say i want an invader, can I?

 Sacredroach wrote:
I could not help but notice they are not offering the enhanced options for the 4 Start Collecting armies, but I subscribed anyway.

Yeah, some of the early advertising had Chaos, Tau, Ork, and Tyranid sets as add ons. Looks like a no-go on those. Wasn’t a set of art prints part of the ‘gifts’ in some of the previous advertising as well? If so, they have been dropped, too. No great loss. It looks like they are more tightly focusing their offerings to just the basic set and magazines, and not offering a ‘premium’ subscription, or add ins.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So can i like, start with certain issues and then stop when i get what i want?
Like say i want an invader, can I?

No. Your only option on starting is whether it’s issue 1 or 2. You would have to keep subscribing until you got what you wanted, then quit.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Quick look on the GW site.

A box of Skorpekh destroyers makes an interesting comparison.

GW price in GBP? £34.50. Hachette price? £8.99

GW price in USD? $55.00. Hachette price? $11.95

Now not all issue are of comparable value of course. But across Conquest and Mortal Realms, the only one which didn’t provide a clear saving was the Base and Stem thing for the Repulsor. But even then, across the three issues needed to get the complete tank you were saving around 50%ish.

You're forgetting sales tax. North American prices never include it because it differs from province to province/state to state (and even city to city in the US). The UK price includes 20% VAT so to have a real comparison you need to multiply all the UK prices by 5/6.

Ahhhhhhh! Gotcha.

Still a pretty decent saving, and I think it’s still a better percentage than the U.K. because of GW’s very wonky exchange rate.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So can i like, start with certain issues and then stop when i get what i want?
Like say i want an invader, can I?

That.....depends.

In the U.K., you can order back issues from Hachette directly. Whilst I would assume the same would be true in the US, I can’t say that with any real degree of certainty.

And in the U.K., I can end any Hachette subscription when I want, as I did with Conquest when I realised the models were just sort of sitting there. Again I assume it’s be the same in the US, but can’t say with any degree of certainty.

Have I missed word on if this will be available in Australia as well? Of the 3 partworks so far, this is the one i'm most interested in!

No word as yet, but I think Mortal Realms is, and Conquest is (possibly was?)

**Overweight American Heavy Breathing Intensifies**

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
No word as yet, but I think Mortal Realms is, and Conquest is (possibly was?)

Oh yes, the other two certainly were. Conquest finished last year and Mortal Realms is up to about issue 30 I think.

 Snrub wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
No word as yet, but I think Mortal Realms is, and Conquest is (possibly was?)

Oh yes, the other two certainly were. Conquest finished last year and Mortal Realms is up to about issue 30 I think.

I would suspect they may wait until Mortal Realms is nearing the end before releasing Imperium then.

Im bummed by the lack of the 4 Premium kits (Tau, Orks, CSM, and Nids... I could live without the nids, but the other 3 were great). Have to think about whether or not I sign up, ~$48/mo for what they are giving you is pretty good, but I don't know that I want arounda third of the content - if I could somehow double up on some stuff and drop some of the others itd be a no brainer

Im debating whether to get it, do you get to pick your subscription date?
I can totally sell some stuff i dont want, i have necron friends and sisters friends.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im debating whether to get it, do you get to pick your subscription date?
I can totally sell some stuff i dont want, i have necron friends and sisters friends.

All you can pick in the US is whether you want to start with issue 1 or issue 2. And then enter your payment details. No options to pick a start date, or any indication really when it will start shipping.

Do we know what's in the Citadel Modelling kit subscription gift?

 Platuan4th wrote:
Do we know what's in the Citadel Modelling kit subscription gift?

Just what it shows - cheap clippers, the mini mold line tool, and some glue. I’ve found the mold line tool does work, but the small one is hard to handle.

Oh. Whoops, didn't see that page, lol.

You're forgetting sales tax. North American prices never include it because it differs from province to province/state to state (and even city to city in the US). The UK price includes 20% VAT so to have a real comparison you need to multiply all the UK prices by 5/6.

I just subscribed here in the states and no additional tax was added, so it seems to be baked into the price here as well.

lurch wrote:

You're forgetting sales tax. North American prices never include it because it differs from province to province/state to state (and even city to city in the US). The UK price includes 20% VAT so to have a real comparison you need to multiply all the UK prices by 5/6.

I just subscribed here in the states and no additional tax was added, so it seems to be baked into the price here as well.

What state are you in?

Done some sums, which suggest the US folks are in for some solid savings.

U.K. cover price is £8.99. So across the 80 issue run, that’s a total cost of £719.20.

US cover price is $11.95. So across the 80 issue run, that’s a total cost of $956.

At the current exchange rate, if we convert USD to GBP? £693.24

That of course doesn’t allow for local taxes. You’ll need to work those out for yourself.

But we can confidentially say the US has a better price - and because GW have a hefty markup on their own exchange rate? If you’ve any interest in the offerings, you’d be daft not to sign up.

I’ll leave it to someone else to price it all up in USD, but if memory serves, Valrak pegged the U.K. price as a roughly 40% saving. US may be looking at closer to 60% compared to GW’s USD price.

I just hope Hachette do singles in the US as they do in the U.K. Because Flayed Ones! (No I am not going to shut up that I can finally, with a wee bit of patience, get not only non-sucky Flayed Ones, but for a pretty decent price!)

Mississippi, I thought we had an online sales tax requirement but on googling it seems it might be a little more complicated.

But isn't it $11.95 per issue plus shipping? It says "The first shipment is free, after that there is $4.95 S&H."

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
But isn't it $11.95 per issue plus shipping? It says "The first shipment is free, after that there is $4.95 S&H."

Assuming it's the same as the UK (and other countries) then you'll get one shipment of 4 issues per month, so it would be $11.95x4 + $4.95 per 4 issues, so $52.75 per month, $13.19 per issue.

Tavis75 wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
But isn't it $11.95 per issue plus shipping? It says "The first shipment is free, after that there is $4.95 S&H."

Assuming it's the same as the UK (and other countries) then you'll get one shipment of 4 issues per month, so it would be $11.95x4 + $4.95 per 4 issues, so $52.75 per month, $13.19 per issue.

Their website said that it'll work the same here in the US.

Yes, shipping definitely needs to be part of the decision process as to how much ‘value’ is involved, at $4.95 each delivery after the first. $99 extra in the US, as they need to make twenty more deliveries after the first one, since it’s only 2 issues in the first one.

Wait, so in the UK Hachette does allow people to buy extra copies of certain issues?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wait, so in the UK Hachette does allow people to buy extra copies of certain issues?

Hachette have a webstore so you can grab individual issues there (stock is limited). Some retailers also stock individual issues, Forbidden Planet being the best one.

In theory in the US, anything online you don't pay sales tax on you're supposed to list it and pay it when you file your yearly taxes. In practice, everyone ignores that.

Aeneades wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wait, so in the UK Hachette does allow people to buy extra copies of certain issues?

Hachette have a webstore so you can grab individual issues there (stock is limited). Some retailers also stock individual issues, Forbidden Planet being the best one.

And here it is.

https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/warhammer-40k-conquest/

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Aeneades wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wait, so in the UK Hachette does allow people to buy extra copies of certain issues?

Hachette have a webstore so you can grab individual issues there (stock is limited). Some retailers also stock individual issues, Forbidden Planet being the best one.

And here it is.

https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/warhammer-40k-conquest/

They've brought Conquest back again. It was removed in its entirety last month.

Niiiice. Now let's see if Forbidden Planet gets more.

Dear Lord, not sure if it is my browser (Chrome) or what but that Hachette website is a nightmare to buy anything from, search or even stay logged in. It is as if they actively do not want money.

I ordered a batch of stuff last year from them. It never arrived, their customer services never processed the refund they repeatedly promised, and it took a literal 24 hour notice of serving them a small claims court action to get them to send me a cheque. I know I wasn't alone either. Don't ever buy from them direct.

So I signed up for the USA version last night. They charged me but no email confirmation or anything...... anyone else have this happen?

2x210 wrote:
So I signed up for the USA version last night. They charged me but no email confirmation or anything...... anyone else have this happen?

Same here. Havent got an email confirmation either.

 Ketara wrote:
I ordered a batch of stuff last year from them. It never arrived, their customer services never processed the refund they repeatedly promised, and it took a literal 24 hour notice of serving them a small claims court action to get them to send me a cheque. I know I wasn't alone either. Don't ever buy from them direct.

I'm in the middle of trying to deal with pretty much the same situation. They suck, and I'd suggest anyone thinking of buying direct from them take this into account when ordering.

I had the same situation, I ordered a load of conquest magazines direct from them a couple of months ago. Weeks later they told me that they were only on the website due to an error, and would be refunding me via cheque.

Dealing with them directly is an atrocious experience

Cheques? I know publishing is often an old-fashioned industry but I can’t remember the last time I saw a cheque.

They still get used, heck a lot of auction houses still send out cheques with your payment. However many offer it only if you don't give them your bank account details to send the money by direct transfer.

It's strange for a firm you deal with online to use cheques since they'd have an electronic system and a record of your bank/card details in their system and most payment merchant systems have room to offer refunds.

I wonder if perhaps they were aiming to use the cheque so that it didn't spark on their merchant system (and thus with their bank) as issuing a refund through the system itself.

That or it is just a system where whoever is in charge has an older style of business approach.

2x210 wrote:So I signed up for the USA version last night. They charged me but no email confirmation or anything...... anyone else have this happen?

Eeps wrote:Same here. Havent got an email confirmation either.

Same happened to me.

Ork-en Man wrote:

2x210 wrote:So I signed up for the USA version last night. They charged me but no email confirmation or anything...... anyone else have this happen?

Eeps wrote:Same here. Havent got an email confirmation either.

Same happened to me.

Same for me

 clodax66 wrote:

Ork-en Man wrote:

2x210 wrote:So I signed up for the USA version last night. They charged me but no email confirmation or anything...... anyone else have this happen?

Eeps wrote:Same here. Havent got an email confirmation either.

Same happened to me.

Same for me

Definitely strange. I received an order confirmation email basically instantly. Other than the usual, like checking spam to see if it was misdirected, not sure what’s up.

I saw some people wonder if it was an April Fool's joke, but that'd be scummy since people did get charged...

 GaroRobe wrote:
I saw some people wonder if it was an April Fool's joke, but that'd be scummy since people did get charged...

I wouldn't have put much stock in that. It would have been in bad taste and very damaging to Hachette and GWs images, and quite likely illegal to collect financial info and payments as part of a 'joke', too. Let alone one that is still 'live' days later. Thus, I give that theory zero credibility. Could it have been a mistake and not intended to go public yet, or riddled with glitches? Maybe, but still unlikely, as there have been days to address a 'mistake' now.

Yeah, I'd be more likely to believe a buggy launch than a joke. What'd be the joke here, "ha ha we pretended to do the thing people have been asking us to do for ages"?

I think it’s ridiculous to even think it’d be an April Fools.
It’s not really how they work, and didn’t take place in just the morning of the 1st, which would be the norm.
But as mentioned what even would be a joke there? That makes no sense at all.

Just got a reply back from their customer service, my order was confirmed apparently just a glitch

I never got an email either, sounds like I'm probably fine but I'll email to confirm.

Imperium's first issue sighted in Spain. Mortal Realms' trial run was in Bilbao and Málaga I think, and I bought the issue in Bilbao so it might be the same launch strategy.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Dear Lord, not sure if it is my browser (Chrome) or what but that Hachette website is a nightmare to buy anything from, search or even stay logged in. It is as if they actively do not want money.

I was having trouble using Chromium Edge; I think I eventually used Safari on my iPad instead.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
I never got an email either, sounds like I'm probably fine but I'll email to confirm.

I mailed them and they confirmed mine went through - My order number was in the 700s. Hopefully a bunch more fellow nerds hop on this and we can get them all over here in the US!

Received this this morning:

Thank you for subscribing to Warhammer 40,000: Imperium. Your first two issues will be shipped to you in the next few days.

We would like to inform you that the current release has been a limited regional run, which has now come to an end. This means no further payments will be taken and no further issues sent out after you receive your first delivery. We will be launching this collection nationally in early 2022 and will be in touch with you then to continue your collection!

We would like to thank you for supporting the Warhammer 40,000: Imperium limited run, for which we have had an extremely positive response. We look forward to bringing the full collection to the USA soon, and can assure you it will be worth the wait.

Kind regards,
Hachette Partworks Ltd.

 Platuan4th wrote:
Received this this morning:

I also received an email, but was told I get nothing:

“We would like to inform you that the current release has been a limited regional run, which has now come to an end. Your account has not been charged and no issues will be sent at this time. We will be launching the collection nationally in early 2022 and will be in touch with you then to start your collection!”

Guess it depends where you are in terms of the trial regions.

But hey, it gives me time to start stashing cash away to buy loads and loads and loads of Flayed Ones when their issue comes around

 Bold wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
Received this this morning:

I also received an email, but was told I get nothing:

“We would like to inform you that the current release has been a limited regional run, which has now come to an end. Your account has not been charged and no issues will be sent at this time. We will be launching the collection nationally in early 2022 and will be in touch with you then to start your collection!”

Same for me. I don't understand the 'limited regional run' but they had a whole site setup that would take orders from anyone? Is this just a ass-backwards system for gauging interest? Early 2022 is a long ways off for them to have made people think it was going to be a thing now.

Yes, it seems like a lot of effort to have gone through just to ‘gauge interest’. I got one of the ‘here’s your two issues, get lost’ notices today. I’m not sure I’ll feel like starting a year and a half subscription another year from now. With the way things are going with GW, there may well have been another ‘new’ edition of 40K before you even finish your sub! Not good planning there, parts works guys....

I wonder if they got a lot larger response than they were ready to fulfill. 2022 could be the soonest gw is able to get enough of the right sprues produced, stockpiled, and sent to hatchette for distribution. New kits at full price are going to have first call on their machines after all.

I got one of the sorry, try again later emails, but I also was never charged.

I got the email saying mine is shipping. I’m in the Midwest if it matters and order number 426 I think or something like that.

Could be regional or limited number of available copies.

A little sad the whole run isn’t starting yet but it’s fine.

 totalfailure wrote:
Yes, it seems like a lot of effort to have gone through just to ‘gauge interest’. I got one of the ‘here’s your two issues, get lost’ notices today. I’m not sure I’ll feel like starting a year and a half subscription another year from now. With the way things are going with GW, there may well have been another ‘new’ edition of 40K before you even finish your sub! Not good planning there, parts works guys....

If they start now it would eat on sales of gw's kit's. Why buy flayed ones from gw when hachette provides at discount? Skorpek　lord? Same.

Besides with editions lasting about 156 weeks　that's silly exaggeration.

80 weeks

And hey, I’m waiting for the Flayed Ones regardless! I know they’re coming, and if they’re released at the end, I might’ve* finished painting the rest of the army by then!


*shyeah.

tneva82 wrote:

 totalfailure wrote:
Yes, it seems like a lot of effort to have gone through just to ‘gauge interest’. I got one of the ‘here’s your two issues, get lost’ notices today. I’m not sure I’ll feel like starting a year and a half subscription another year from now. With the way things are going with GW, there may well have been another ‘new’ edition of 40K before you even finish your sub! Not good planning there, parts works guys....

If they start now it would eat on sales of gw's kit's. Why buy flayed ones from gw when hachette provides at discount? Skorpek　lord? Same.

Besides with editions lasting about 156 weeks　that's silly exaggeration.

The only thing silly is your math. We’ve had 4 editions since 2012, and eight and ninth were only three years apart. If the subscription doesn’t start until next year sometime, the parts work could well last until at least the end of 2023. Are you confident there won’t be another 40K by then? I’m not.

And cutting into sales of kits that are available in a few months like the Heavy Intercessors and Flayed Ones? Also silly. There’s no telling when they might come in the parts works, but it likely would not have been in the next few weeks, when GW will likely sell lots of those kits themselves. I’m not too enthusiastic about an almost two year process not starting for another year or more. That’s my opinion. Deal with it.

Quasistellar wrote:
I got the email saying mine is shipping. I’m in the Midwest if it matters and order number 426 I think or something like that.

Could be regional or limited number of available copies.

A little sad the whole run isn’t starting yet but it’s fine.

Guessing the limited number of copies. I was order number 1300 or so I think and live in completely different part of the country and was given the shipping notice.

I got my shipping notice, have already forgot what I ordered.

For the online sign ups that do go out.
Regional would make no difference.
They use post. They don’t walk round to your house if you live nearby.

The in store trial being regional to gauge interest.
And then sending out the first X number of subscribers too.

Bear I kind the feedback form they want people to do who do get it.
So they want to know what some online buyers think etc.

 totalfailure wrote:
Yes, it seems like a lot of effort to have gone through just to ‘gauge interest’. I got one of the ‘here’s your two issues, get lost’ notices today. I’m not sure I’ll feel like starting a year and a half subscription another year from now. With the way things are going with GW, there may well have been another ‘new’ edition of 40K before you even finish your sub! Not good planning there, parts works guys....

Imperium like Conquest before it shouldn't necessarily be considered as majnstream Warhammer 40000.

Both part works are a games system in its own right and one need not have 40k knowledge to play it.

Yes, the rules follow those of 40k but they will be drip fed over time growing in complexity as they go. It isn't like buying straight into the latest 40k starter set with a full rulebook.

For experienced 40k players, it's a cheap way of obtaining figures, scenery and paints.

That's my viewpoint. Mileage may vary.

Deal with it.

alphaecho wrote:

 totalfailure wrote:
Yes, it seems like a lot of effort to have gone through just to ‘gauge interest’. I got one of the ‘here’s your two issues, get lost’ notices today. I’m not sure I’ll feel like starting a year and a half subscription another year from now. With the way things are going with GW, there may well have been another ‘new’ edition of 40K before you even finish your sub! Not good planning there, parts works guys....

Imperium like Conquest before it shouldn't necessarily be considered as majnstream Warhammer 40000.

Both part works are a games system in its own right and one need not have 40k knowledge to play it.

Yes, the rules follow those of 40k but they will be drip fed over time growing in complexity as they go. It isn't like buying straight into the latest 40k starter set with a full rulebook.

For experienced 40k players, it's a cheap way of obtaining figures, scenery and paints.

That's my viewpoint. Mileage may vary.

Deal with it.

The fact remains, you may be spending a lot of money on something that could well be obsolete before you even get it all. That could be an issue for some people. Deal with it.

 totalfailure wrote:

alphaecho wrote:

 totalfailure wrote:
Yes, it seems like a lot of effort to have gone through just to ‘gauge interest’. I got one of the ‘here’s your two issues, get lost’ notices today. I’m not sure I’ll feel like starting a year and a half subscription another year from now. With the way things are going with GW, there may well have been another ‘new’ edition of 40K before you even finish your sub! Not good planning there, parts works guys....

Imperium like Conquest before it shouldn't necessarily be considered as majnstream Warhammer 40000.

Both part works are a games system in its own right and one need not have 40k knowledge to play it.

Yes, the rules follow those of 40k but they will be drip fed over time growing in complexity as they go. It isn't like buying straight into the latest 40k starter set with a full rulebook.

For experienced 40k players, it's a cheap way of obtaining figures, scenery and paints.

That's my viewpoint. Mileage may vary.

Deal with it.

The fact remains, you may be spending a lot of money on something that could well be obsolete before you even get it all. That could be an issue for some people. Deal with it.

The fact remains that the models that come with Imperium cannot be obsolete with that part works because the models will be included in scenarios in that magazine. Those scenarios are not necessarily points or power based of even balanced and are independent of that armies current Codex as published by GW.

I'll say it again. Imperium, like Conquest before it, is a self contained product that should not be viewed as mainstream Warhammer 40000.

Veteran players are not necessarily the target customer for Imperium and may be better served cherry picking individual issues or not bothering with it at all.

If a punter doesn't like the idea of a part works, buy a current 40K starter set to get the models now.

Deal with it.

 totalfailure wrote:

The fact remains, you may be spending a lot of money on something that could well be obsolete before you even get it all. That could be an issue for some people. Deal with it.

For sure - but so many people on the internet, including on this forum, have done calculations on the "value" of the stuff you get in these subscriptions and how much money you save. At no point have I ever seen a single one put any actual monetary value on the magazine itself. Which is a shame I think as it includes a tone of stuff found in the Codexes and core rule book, which do have value. But any calculations you see always assume the magazine itself is worthless.

Also worth noting that the magazine is in 5 parts, and the two "lore" sections won't be obsolete with a new edition, nor will the painting guides. Obviously the build instructions won't be obsolete but you'd get those if you bought boxed minis anyway. So it's literally just the rules and scenarios that would be "obsolete" - though I'd argue if you'd never played before, learning 9th edition via the partwork then just learning the changes for a potential 10th would be easier than just jumping in.

alphaecho wrote:

 totalfailure wrote:

alphaecho wrote:

 totalfailure wrote:
Yes, it seems like a lot of effort to have gone through just to ‘gauge interest’. I got one of the ‘here’s your two issues, get lost’ notices today. I’m not sure I’ll feel like starting a year and a half subscription another year from now. With the way things are going with GW, there may well have been another ‘new’ edition of 40K before you even finish your sub! Not good planning there, parts works guys....

Imperium like Conquest before it shouldn't necessarily be considered as majnstream Warhammer 40000.

Both part works are a games system in its own right and one need not have 40k knowledge to play it.

Yes, the rules follow those of 40k but they will be drip fed over time growing in complexity as they go. It isn't like buying straight into the latest 40k starter set with a full rulebook.

For experienced 40k players, it's a cheap way of obtaining figures, scenery and paints.

That's my viewpoint. Mileage may vary.

Deal with it.

The fact remains, you may be spending a lot of money on something that could well be obsolete before you even get it all. That could be an issue for some people. Deal with it.

The fact remains that the models that come with Imperium cannot be obsolete with that part works because the models will be included in scenarios in that magazine. Those scenarios are not necessarily points or power based of even balanced and are independent of that armies current Codex as published by GW.

I'll say it again. Imperium, like Conquest before it, is a self contained product that should not be viewed as mainstream Warhammer 40000.

Veteran players are not necessarily the target customer for Imperium and may be better served cherry picking individual issues or not bothering with it at all.

If a punter doesn't like the idea of a part works, buy a current 40K starter set to get the models now.

Deal with it.

If it’s purpose is to get people playing, it is in fact a mainstream product, just as any of the other 40K starter sets. I don’t discount that many of the purchasers are in fact, vultures looking to pick it over. But deny all you like, some of the value of the product is introducing people to 40K. And the longer it takes to come out, the more likely it is not going to be that useful at it. Deny that all you like.

I got one of the too bad for you emails and they refunded my money. Kinda makes me want to tell them to screw off come 2022, piss poor customer service, why would I trust them with a weekly payment?

It’s a monthly payment for us, I assumed yours would be too?

Surely it’s a good thing that as the trial to gauge interest has ended, they’ve refunded you rather than just keep the money and still not send for several months.
And if it’s like here, you might now get issues free for having signed up at all.

If I can't trust them to fill a simple trial run, I can't really expect them to fill the actual run. If I order pizza and expect pizza then get told sorry no pizza here's your money back I'm still hungry.

Same deal here, say it comes time to get my first part of the Gulliman sprue, whoops sorry we ran out here's your money back and some free Intercessors. Now I can't build the model whether I'm compensated or not.

I signed up for the trial offer, they delivered nothing. That means the trial has failed because I'm no longer interested in doing business with them.

Great job Hatchette

Thats a stretch of the imagination. Hachette locks into a quantity contract with GW from the beginning. I.E. they order enough for 50,000 copies of each issue and will only allow maybe 49,500 subscriptions against it. The remaining 500 copies are used for replacements for lost/damaged goods and anything that isn't claimed after is put on sale. What you described literally cannot happen.

Sucks that you got your undies in a twist over it, but a trial is a trial - its limited time and limited quantity (and if I understand correctly, also limited to only parts of the US). You tried to sign up for it, and they gave you your money back, don't really see what there is to be upset about.

Also this is usual for these...hardly out of blue

Whilst it is a pain, I think they do it this way to try and gage real interest as opposed to potential interest.


It's rather like if Forgeworld asked what model we'd all like to buy. There'd be LOADS of requests for the Thunderhawk Gunship and other big expensive models. However the number of people who would actually put money behind their desire or who have the means to do so are far far fewer.

So by doing it the way they do it they likely get more reliable real world data on uptake potential .

chaos0xomega wrote:
Thats a stretch of the imagination. Hachette locks into a quantity contract with GW from the beginning. I.E. they order enough for 50,000 copies of each issue and will only allow maybe 49,500 subscriptions against it. The remaining 500 copies are used for replacements for lost/damaged goods and anything that isn't claimed after is put on sale. What you described literally cannot happen.

Sucks that you got your undies in a twist over it, but a trial is a trial - its limited time and limited quantity (and if I understand correctly, also limited to only parts of the US). You tried to sign up for it, and they gave you your money back, don't really see what there is to be upset about.

I think the big thing is it wasn't billed as a trial run, people thought they were getting the real thing and getting exited only to be told nope sorry nothing for you try again later. not the end of the world by any stretch but still understandably aggravating.

 totalfailure wrote:


If it’s purpose is to get people playing, it is in fact a mainstream product, just as any of the other 40K starter sets. I don’t discount that many of the purchasers are in fact, vultures looking to pick it over. But deny all you like, some of the value of the product is introducing people to 40K. And the longer it takes to come out, the more likely it is not going to be that useful at it. Deny that all you like.

Unless 10th edition is fundamentally different to 9th it's still going to be pretty useful at it.

You are right that it is designed to get people playing, but crucially it's designed to get people playing completely from scratch, who have never played a single war game before. All the fundamentals it introduces won't change. One of edition of 40K is 90%+ similar to the next.

 Overread wrote:
Whilst it is a pain, I think they do it this way to try and gage real interest as opposed to potential interest. [...]So by doing it the way they do it they likely get more reliable real world data on uptake potential .

That's a good point. However, the timing of the actual release somewhat undermines the value of this test: I had wrongly assumed the Imperium subscription would begin immediately. If it's not going to even start until 2022, and if the 10th Edition of WH40k is released in 2023 (assuming they keep to the 3-year cycle as in 2014, 2017, and 2020), I suspect that I and others may lost interest by that time.

2020 would've been the perfect time to begin this endeavor: gauge interest in the summer when 9th Edition was released, then ramp up production for a release later that year. While no one could've predicted the pandemic, having a steady release of models via magazine subscription would've likely been very popular during this extended period where people are largely stuck inside. I suspect that 2022 will see a huge explosion of people venturing out to restaurants, movies, live music, etc. outside their homes.

10th edition isn't a huge barrier though. It's very unlikely that any of the models will be replaced for 10th edition considering how most in the magazine are brand new.

Meanwhile the magazines written content is either self contained to itself and thus doens't matter what edition is on the table; or its content that people who play the main game don't care about so it, again, doesn't really matter.


If you're in it just for cheap models then its just as good; if you're in it for the game inside the magazine then you're good.


10th edition isn't a "threat" unless GW decides to write out Necrons or that Primaris will be replace with UltraPrimaris.

 Overread wrote:
10th edition isn't a huge barrier though.

Sure, to you it’s not a barrier. But I’m talking about the common perception of the general public which will influence spending habits.

The impending release of a new version tends to suppress buying (the common refrain is, “don’t buy now, wait until the new edition drops”) since people don’t want to invest heavily in models which may be less useful, or even entire armies. This goes back to GW’s notorious struggles in balancing the units and armies—players don’t trust that their existing units and even armies would be useful in the long run. Since a new codex also tends to ramp up the power level of an army, some people may shy away from starting a new Necron army in 2022, fearing that all of the attention that faction received in 9th Edition might mean they’ll receive fewer codex updates in the future.

You can loudly proclaim that there’s no reason people should shy away from heavy spending at the tail-end of an edition (and I’m not saying you’re wrong—I bought a ton of clearance Death Guard stuff in 2020), but I suspect many players are more cautious, and some have been burned before. I maintain that the best time for Hatchette to start a multi-year magazine program would have been at the beginning of an edition. Same for the how-to-play stuff in the highest-selling first few issues of the magazine: that would’ve ideally been published summer 2020, rather than 2022.

 Bold wrote:
I maintain that the best time for Hatchette to start a multi-year magazine program would have been at the beginning of an edition. Same for the how-to-play stuff in the highest-selling first few issues of the magazine: that would’ve ideally been published summer 2020, rather than 2022.

They ran Conquest at the tail end of the edition and it was a roaring success. Lots of people from the U.S, in fact, popped into the Dakka Conquest thread to proclaim that they'd love to buy Conquest and what a massive shame it was, bordering on injustice, that they could not. It now looks like you'll be able to buy Imperium in the U.S but I guess for some people it's just a short step from "Golly I wish I could buy this here" to "It's really quite outrageous that I can't buy it here right now, like yesterday, in fact I might not want this in six months from now, poor show GW, terrible move Hachette, thx for nothing."

My opinion is that veteran gamers should accept that with the exception of the availability of cheap models, these Hachette part works are not aimed at us.

Conquest was an 80 week self contained gaming system for two armies plus terrain and paints.

It matters not if main 40k went through 3 editions over that period. The rules in Conquest were for that system and no other. They may have been based on 8th Ed but Conquest could be re-released now without change because it is independent of the main 40k cycle.



If a player doesn't want to wait, virtually every model type in Imperiumis available now. The exact models of Sisters aren't but the unit types are.

 Bold wrote:

 Overread wrote:
10th edition isn't a huge barrier though.

Sure, to you it’s not a barrier. But I’m talking about the common perception of the general public which will influence spending habits.

The impending release of a new version tends to suppress buying (the common refrain is, “don’t buy now, wait until the new edition drops”) since people don’t want to invest heavily in models which may be less useful, or even entire armies. This goes back to GW’s notorious struggles in balancing the units and armies—players don’t trust that their existing units and even armies would be useful in the long run. Since a new codex also tends to ramp up the power level of an army, some people may shy away from starting a new Necron army in 2022, fearing that all of the attention that faction received in 9th Edition might mean they’ll receive fewer codex updates in the future.

You can loudly proclaim that there’s no reason people should shy away from heavy spending at the tail-end of an edition (and I’m not saying you’re wrong—I bought a ton of clearance Death Guard stuff in 2020), but I suspect many players are more cautious, and some have been burned before. I maintain that the best time for Hatchette to start a multi-year magazine program would have been at the beginning of an edition. Same for the how-to-play stuff in the highest-selling first few issues of the magazine: that would’ve ideally been published summer 2020, rather than 2022.

I wish I’d seen clearance and anything GW in a sentence before now. As I’d be snapping that up.

I get both sides of this.
But one thing regarding the new people in because of the magazine, to a large extent it won’t matter to them either, as they’re just getting the magazine still as their buy in. So won’t stop spending in that sense.
(Though I agree it may stop them buying more things from GW direct. If they even know about a new edition. GW don’t publicise it and don’t frequent the forums etc. Not like the old days. I remember 6th to 7th fantasy there being an offer in GW if you bought the old box you got the new rulebook free as they ramped up the hype a few months before the new drop).

JWBS wrote:
They ran Conquest at the tail end of the edition and it was a roaring success.

As a clarification, Conquest Issue 1 was released back in Summer 2018, which was right at the beginning of 8th Edition's second year. It ran through the 2nd and 3rd years of that edition, finishing several months before the next edition was released.

Imperium Issue 1 will be released in the US in 2022 which will be 9th Edition's third year (and most likely its final). Its run won't finish in the U.S. until well after 10th Edition will likely be released, assuming GW keeps the same schedule as in the last decade.

Now, an argument could be made either way about if this later timing will affect sales, particularly for the later issues. But let's at least be factual about the differences in timing between the two runs.

Okay, I'm probably mixing up the edition with the DI box set, I don't really distinguish between the two as I don't play the game. Di had been out for absolutely ages though when they released Conquest, I'd say the DI>Conquest timeline looks very similar to the Indom>Imperium one.

 Bold wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Whilst it is a pain, I think they do it this way to try and gage real interest as opposed to potential interest. [...]So by doing it the way they do it they likely get more reliable real world data on uptake potential .

That's a good point. However, the timing of the actual release somewhat undermines the value of this test: I had wrongly assumed the Imperium subscription would begin immediately. If it's not going to even start until 2022, and if the 10th Edition of WH40k is released in 2023 (assuming they keep to the 3-year cycle as in 2014, 2017, and 2020), I suspect that I and others may lost interest by that time.

2020 would've been the perfect time to begin this endeavor: gauge interest in the summer when 9th Edition was released, then ramp up production for a release later that year. While no one could've predicted the pandemic, having a steady release of models via magazine subscription would've likely been very popular during this extended period where people are largely stuck inside. I suspect that 2022 will see a huge explosion of people venturing out to restaurants, movies, live music, etc. outside their homes.

By the time magazine ends we are still playing in 9e. Furthermore models don't self-immolate when edition changes. If you lose interest due to time you lose interest anyway whether it starts now or later. You were never going to stay for 80 week subscribtion anyway


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 Bold wrote:

 Overread wrote:
10th edition isn't a huge barrier though.

Sure, to you it’s not a barrier. But I’m talking about the common perception of the general public which will influence spending habits.

The impending release of a new version tends to suppress buying (the common refrain is, “don’t buy now, wait until the new edition drops”) since people don’t want to invest heavily in models which may be less useful, or even entire armies. This goes back to GW’s notorious struggles in balancing the units and armies—players don’t trust that their existing units and even armies would be useful in the long run. Since a new codex also tends to ramp up the power level of an army, some people may shy away from starting a new Necron army in 2022, fearing that all of the attention that faction received in 9th Edition might mean they’ll receive fewer codex updates in the future.

Well. You can claim that.

Evidence(as shown with previous hachette partworks which weren't launched start of editions either and were huge successes) proves you are wrong though.

Conquest is still running in Germany and currently at issue 61 (last one in the six issue pack sent to subscribers) so they definitely consider the magazine to be independently from current 40k editions as pointed out before. It is a good start into the hobby as its own system. I was surprised how extensive the rules and mission parts of the magazines are.

 Bold wrote:
Imperium Issue 1 will be released in the US in 2021, which will be 9th Edition's third year (and most likely its final).

Forgive me, but didn't ninth edition come out July of 2020? So it is nine months old?

 judgedoug wrote:

Forgive me, but didn't ninth edition come out July of 2020? So it is nine months old?

It technically did but it was limited book in Indomitus. Mass rulebook release was late fall, so more like six months old...

Has any indication been given at all as to when the magazine might launch fully in the UK?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Has any indication been given at all as to when the magazine might launch fully in the UK?

The emails out indicated late July for the UK but my memory is sketchy. Sometime in the summer in any case.

Advantage for cherry pickers in the USA is you’ll know what each issue is in advance.

Us in the U.K., we’ll need to do some legwork.

July was mentioned I’m pretty sure yeah.

Just got my issue 1 and 2 today, USA, Virginia. It was such a thrill opening the package and looking at the magazines that I know I will continue subscribing when it fully launches. It was akin to the same feeling I got when a Nintendo Power arrived, if you know what I mean! lol

 judgedoug wrote:
Forgive me, but didn't ninth edition come out July of 2020? So it is nine months old?

Good catch! That was a typo on my part: Imperium won't be released in the US until 2022, the beginning of 9th Edition's (likely) final year if 10th follows the pattern and comes out in summer 2023.

I've gone back and fixed that typo in the original post. Thanks!


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JWBS wrote:
Di had been out for absolutely ages though when they released Conquest, I'd say the DI>Conquest timeline looks very similar to the Indom>Imperium one.

Only for the UK, with a one year gap between the box set and the magazine. For your country, you are 100% correct.

I've been talking specifically about the additional one-year delay for the release of the magazine in the U.S., which means there will be a two-year gap between the release of the box set and the magazine. And again, whether or not starting the magazine in the third & final year of an edition will affect interest is debatable. It should also be noted that rumors are that the U.S. release would ONLY be via subscription, not sales in brick & mortar stores. Other people's comments about cherry-picking specific issues or ordering more from Hachette may not be an option for people in the U.S., at least given what we know right now.

I should probably stop replying to this thread--I suspect too many people are assuming I'm in an INTERNET RAGE over the additional 1-year delay for U.S. sales of Imperium. I was already on the fence about whether or not I'd continue my subscription, and now finding out that my initial order was canceled and it won't be available for at least another year has made me reconsider; I already have enough grey plastic still on the sprue, but the magazine would've been a nice pandemic project. But no rage here, I have plenty to build & paint right now. It's all good!

I'd also be very surprised if 10th comes on the 3-year schedule after how far things have fallen behind at GW with the pandemic, if that fits in to your thinking.

Not only that but there have been virtually no competitive events in the UK and we're just tentatively looking at having them this summer. Appetite for another new edition when very few have really played the current one is surely going to be pretty low. I know I haven't bothered buying any codex books for this edition.

Exactly, I would expect GW would try and draw out 10th edition. Granted they've a cycle of profits to maintain which might impact that, but they could easily do a 0.5 update or somesuch to refresh interest. A slightly more beefy Chapter Approved coupled with a model launch and such would easily tide people over. Or a slower release of more chunky campaign books with new models and rules and such like they are doing for AoS right now (save that the AoS is accellerated with release speed)


I would wager throwing out 11th edition right after hardly anyone got to play 10th wouldn't be that popular.

Now I know we're not supposed to post anything positive around here, but...

I got my 2 issues today and I'm amped up to sign up for the full run.

I really like all the stuff, and it's a pretty cool deal. I've always been jealous this was U.K. / EU only.

I’ve just eBayed the Primaris LT from Indomitus that comes in issue one. No point having him twice.
£7 after post and fees, so makes the first full price issue basically free which is nice.
Hopefully we still get 1-3 for free when it starts..

For me it was a bit annoying as it wasn't shown to be a limited run. No mention of it what so ever until they had charged me and the site basically disappeared. sSo now i got issue 1 and 2 and basically thats it until 2022...which is a bit annoying as i went for it beings i was just starting out a necron army and it was a good way to hover up some cheap necrons and primaris. Not by the time it really starts who knows what ill be working on then.

Summer 2021 seems to have shifted to 2022. This is on the Google results for the Hachette holding site for Imperium (still says coming soon on the site itself, not sure where Google is pulling its preview text from).

Site now says 2022

https://www.warhammer40000imperium.com/

THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST IN WARHAMMER 40,000: IMPERIUM
The collection will be launching early 2022!
Add your email address to be notified about the launch:

Coming Soon! On the U.K. site

Coming 2022! On the US site.

Do you have any clarity on that? Is the delay until 2022 for the US or everyone.

So far as I’m aware, Q4 for the U.K.

 Orlanth wrote:
Do you have any clarity on that? Is the delay until 2022 for the US or everyone.

My initial emails from Hachette after I signed up for the UK 'trial' run was that the main launch would be 'Summer'.

August 25th, '21 for UK (and Europe?), Early '22 for US.

https://www.fauxhammer.com/news/warhammer-imperium-release-date-announcement/

Very exciting.

I want my £9 Flayed Ones, dammit!

Man that Fauxhammer bloke likes to toot his own trumpet. And the website layout...... yikes.

Good that this is almost out then. Of the 3 partworks so far, this is the one that'd i'd be most inclined to get the premium version of.


No word on an AUS release is a bit of a bummer though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Very exciting.

I want my £9 Flayed Ones, dammit!

Keep reminding me about those! I keep forgetting that they are the reason to be spamming issues of that magazine!

No. Shan’t.

ALL YOUR £9 FLAYED ONES ARE BELONG ROSS! And your £9 Lychguard/Praetorians.


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 Snrub wrote:
Man that Fauxhammer bloke likes to toot his own trumpet. And the website layout...... yikes.

Good that this is almost out then. Of the 3 partworks so far, this is the one that'd i'd be most inclined to get the premium version of.


No word on an AUS release is a bit of a bummer though.

Australia tends to run around a year behind on Hachette’s gubbins.

Flayed ones might make it worth getting despite postages. Maybe. Or flgs is still cheaper

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
August 25th, '21 for UK (and Europe?), Early '22 for US.

https://www.fauxhammer.com/news/warhammer-imperium-release-date-announcement/

That seems about right as that's roughly when Mortal Realms will finish.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I want my £9 Flayed Ones, dammit!

A lot of us do...

Auspex Tactics video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBI10Q1APQQ

Yeah this will be an auto buy in for me, I have Dark Angels (Primaris) my eldest has Necrons (and is happy to have more) my other half gets a few more sisters and there are enough Marines, my third lad will be able to start having an actual Ultramarine force (so glad I didn't buy Calgar last year) and potentially my other half might have a few Salamanders as its been her fave chapter for years.

Oh and I've been considering Admech for a while, so there is nothing bad in this for us.

Had email confirmation now that it’s launching in the UK on 25 August.

Those who showed an interest in the trial get a mug rather than the first couple of issues for free (like they did for previous collections).

Got the same email...think we've been mugged off...
I'd have preferred the free issues but oh well.

We've had a bit of a apo-cup-lypse over lockdown with various containers hitting the floor and shattering. Happy with a new mug (not like I'm short of models...).

I love a good Merch mug so I'm happy

1st thought

Glad to get a date confirmed, will definitely have to see if i can get a few. Have the prices for the first and second issues been mentioned?

Two weeks out and still no sign of it anywhere for preorder...

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Glad to get a date confirmed, will definitely have to see if i can get a few. Have the prices for the first and second issues been mentioned?

£2.99 and £5.99 respectively, going up to 8.99 per issue from 3 onwards according to Fauxhammer.

Happy with the date confirmed and the mug but might have preferred a few issues instead.

Got my Mug delivered this morning

Looks decent enough - looks like they just printed up a load themselves, not sure how well they would survive the dishwasher....

Nice!

Patterned mugs like that tend to survive ok for a while, but won't typically take sustained dishwashing over many months/years

What’s wrong with a sink and Fairy Liquid, eh!

I recently moved into my new gaff and it had a dishwasher. First time I've ever had one. I'd no idea what I was missing out on. I never wanna go back to scrubbing in the sink.

My Lord of The Rings mug has been in the dishwasher so many times that the image has disappeared completely. Still has the text on the inside rim though.

Basically, It's as if it is wearing the ring and turned invisible.