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I'm seeing rumours on Facebook that Forbidden Planet won't be stocking this one, due to being left over from Conquest with too many dud issues (ala paints) nobody wanted, and the logistical struggles from last time.

Pinch of salt as ever, but if true, where else would we go to buy singles?

 Ketara wrote:
I'm seeing rumours on Facebook that Forbidden Planet won't be stocking this one, due to being left over from Conquest with too many dud issues (ala paints) nobody wanted, and the logistical struggles from last time.

Pinch of salt as ever, but if true, where else would we go to buy singles?

I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I have multiple pots of corax white that I'll probably never use, stuff is lumpy and horrible. On the plus side, having multiples of retributor armour and abaddon black is great as the metallic paint is "premium" and the black is a paint I go through quickly.

I am keen to grab runelord brass and leadbelcher, they're paints I have not tried yet.

More spotted in Norwich for anyone interested.

Norwich?
Didn’t come down this much last time did it?
Thought it was Yorkshire way.

Will have to check about in Ipswich and see if I can see any.


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 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Ketara wrote:
I'm seeing rumours on Facebook that Forbidden Planet won't be stocking this one, due to being left over from Conquest with too many dud issues (ala paints) nobody wanted, and the logistical struggles from last time.

Pinch of salt as ever, but if true, where else would we go to buy singles?

I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

Yeah don’t see that.
But where to buy singles would be the Hachette website I guess..
Or ask local newsagent to order issues in the right time frame (I guess most will try and get as many as they can if you have or will pay)..

Skeptical.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

 Irbis wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

The facebook lot claim it's not just the leftovers, but also the logistical angle of it. Some issues get people ordering a gajillion each, whilst others are essentially the magazine equivalent of tumbleweed. This has apparently led to a problem where the extremely unpredictable flux of orders creates issues with staffing (for dispatch) and warehousing. The profit on each magazine simply isn't sufficient to cover what is effectively a massive procurement headache. Given the additional Covid/safe working distance requirements on top, they're consequently thinking about just not doing it this time around.

Again, this is just what I'm reading elsewhere and may be either completely untrue or a few grains of truth exaggerated out of proportion. Salt always applies.

I think it is plausible.

My local WHSmith didnt like my on/off subscription to Conquest, and certainly didnt like sourcing multiple copies of some issues, and I was the only one doing so in that store.

It's extra work for them. Normally a subscription means one magazine per cycle, not up to five one cycle none the next.

 Ketara wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

The facebook lot claim it's not just the leftovers, but also the logistical angle of it. Some issues get people ordering a gajillion each, whilst others are essentially the magazine equivalent of tumbleweed. This has apparently led to a problem where the extremely unpredictable flux of orders creates issues with staffing (for dispatch) and warehousing. The profit on each magazine simply isn't sufficient to cover what is effectively a massive procurement headache. Given the additional Covid/safe working distance requirements on top, they're consequently thinking about just not doing it this time around.

Again, this is just what I'm reading elsewhere and may be either completely untrue or a few grains of truth exaggerated out of proportion. Salt always applies.

As a regular purchaser of issues from Forbidden Planet, the only issue that never seemed to sell was the base and stand for the Repulsor. Even that's not listed now. Maybe the £2.49 price they dropped it to worked? In know I picked up a couple at that price.

If they had a surplus of the paint issues, they never kept them listed on the website.

As you say, internet exaggeration and salt.

Hopefully the profit margin's a little better with an extra £1 on the sticker price. It's good for the hobby to have these widely circulated so I hope the likes of forbidden planet keep stocking it

For singles, I know Dark Sphere also do Mortal Realms. I've never ordered from them as Forbidden Planet have never let me down but I always keep an eye on them. If worst come to worst and FP don't stock Imperium, hopefully these guys do.

Always good to know of various sources for peeps like me wanting 8-12 of the Flayed One’s issue. Possibly 16 if the shadowy person from the nether realms I’m in contact with wants 40 of the buffers as well.

 Ketara wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

The facebook lot claim it's not just the leftovers, but also the logistical angle of it. Some issues get people ordering a gajillion each, whilst others are essentially the magazine equivalent of tumbleweed. This has apparently led to a problem where the extremely unpredictable flux of orders creates issues with staffing (for dispatch) and warehousing. The profit on each magazine simply isn't sufficient to cover what is effectively a massive procurement headache. Given the additional Covid/safe working distance requirements on top, they're consequently thinking about just not doing it this time around.

Again, this is just what I'm reading elsewhere and may be either completely untrue or a few grains of truth exaggerated out of proportion. Salt always applies.

I can understand the logistics angle- I ordered four back issues of Mortal Realms- all in stock, and two of them the same issue. Every time previously I've ordered several issues they've dispatched as one parcel a week or so after ordering, but this time they've sent three separate parcels within two days of ordering with the duplicate issues split across two of them! Perhaps they're distributing from more than one warehouse, but it can't be that cost effective even with £5.50 spent on postage with the doubtless small margins on each issue already.

You'd think there must be someone at Forbidden Planet HQ who is into Warhammer? While it's a logistical mess, it's not just that they could procure more/less of certain issues - there's nothing stopping them from selling at cover price (and possibly nothing stopping them selling even higher, depending on their agreement with Hachette).
It feels like they should be able to make it profitable.

I’ve a feeling that you’re just not allowed, as a first hand retailer, to sell above RRP in the U.K.?

Don’t quote me on that, as it may simply be mechanisms of capitalism and competition, but I’ve never seen someone sell above RRP unless they’re a filthy scalper of second hand goods.

Think you can charge pretty much whatever you want for stuff. Hence why shops in train stations can charge more for a mars bar than the supermarket does. As you say, I think it's more to do with supply and demand stopping them jacking up prices on things like this.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ve a feeling that you’re just not allowed, as a first hand retailer, to sell above RRP in the U.K.?

Don’t quote me on that, as it may simply be mechanisms of capitalism and competition, but I’ve never seen someone sell above RRP unless they’re a filthy scalper of second hand goods.

thing is RRP is basically seen as the maximum price the market will take. If you sell above it then your potential list of customers is much much smaller. They'll just go to places that are selling it at RRP. The only times I see prices go above the RRP are, as you say, with scalpers; but also when products reach the end of their line and are highly desirable at the same time. At that point some retailers will raise the prices on the last of the stock. It varies depending on the market of course -eg an old iPhone of the last model will go down; but a collectors edition might well go up. Going above RRP will have variable impacts on customer loyalty of course; if you're always jacking up the prices as soon as stock dwindles then you might lose custom to other retailers who are seen as "more fair" etc..


So yep I don't think there's any laws against going above RRP for products that aren't medical or essentials (I believe there are laws against that for some products). Though it also gets complicated, eg a load of supermarkets were fined for jointly raising the rrp on milk that they were charging whilst at the same time lowering the price paid to the farmer. So it gets complicated when industries try to inflate a price

You are allowed to sell above RRP in the Uk, it is not illegal. What is illegal is selling an item for more than the marked price. There are exceptions to that such as goods might be marked with a price 'plus VAT', but that is only itself legal if clearly marked.

This means that unmarked price goods can have a price label or a shelf label but may not exceed that, you can sell for less but not more. If goods are individually marked then by law they must be removed from the shelves to be repriced to prevent threshold cases where someone grabs an item from the shelf during repricing. This is why there is always a trolley (or should be) for people remarking goods in the discount isle.
Shelf labels make things easier as you just replace the shelf label.

Now magazines and some other goods have a marked price on them. This then dictates the price to the retailer as the price is fixed on the item. You can add a discount label to said item.
I am not sure but you may also be able to reprice it higher, but you would have to conceal the old price to avoid any confusion, that is very bad optics, so marked RRP goods almost always go for the price they are intended.

The final exception is for second hand goods, the RRP only applies to a primary retailer, a secondary retailer can mark the good at whatever price they think the market will bear, and do not have to cover over an original RRP label. This is how old manuals with old printed on prices, sometimes priced in shillings and pence are legally sold in shops.

 Ketara wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

The facebook lot claim it's not just the leftovers, but also the logistical angle of it. Some issues get people ordering a gajillion each, whilst others are essentially the magazine equivalent of tumbleweed. This has apparently led to a problem where the extremely unpredictable flux of orders creates issues with staffing (for dispatch) and warehousing. The profit on each magazine simply isn't sufficient to cover what is effectively a massive procurement headache. Given the additional Covid/safe working distance requirements on top, they're consequently thinking about just not doing it this time around.

Again, this is just what I'm reading elsewhere and may be either completely untrue or a few grains of truth exaggerated out of proportion. Salt always applies.

I wouldn't be surprised that it's true, looking at Forbidden Planet now, you can't pre-order the Hexwraith issue of Mortal Realms anymore as it's a dual kit and likely has everyone scrambling to get them.

Indeed, no laws against it. But you’d be hard pressed to go above as people would, and do, just complain.
Generally the Recommended part is seen as “recommend to sell at this much or less” as opposed to it’s true meaning.

 Elevenses wrote:

 Ketara wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

The facebook lot claim it's not just the leftovers, but also the logistical angle of it. Some issues get people ordering a gajillion each, whilst others are essentially the magazine equivalent of tumbleweed. This has apparently led to a problem where the extremely unpredictable flux of orders creates issues with staffing (for dispatch) and warehousing. The profit on each magazine simply isn't sufficient to cover what is effectively a massive procurement headache. Given the additional Covid/safe working distance requirements on top, they're consequently thinking about just not doing it this time around.

Again, this is just what I'm reading elsewhere and may be either completely untrue or a few grains of truth exaggerated out of proportion. Salt always applies.

I can understand the logistics angle- I ordered four back issues of Mortal Realms- all in stock, and two of them the same issue. Every time previously I've ordered several issues they've dispatched as one parcel a week or so after ordering, but this time they've sent three separate parcels within two days of ordering with the duplicate issues split across two of them! Perhaps they're distributing from more than one warehouse, but it can't be that cost effective even with £5.50 spent on postage with the doubtless small margins on each issue already.

Any time you order multiple issues coming to the £5.50 postage point.
If there are issues coming out down the line they send them as they come out.
I ordered all my DG characters that weren’t out and I had 8 odd deliveries spread over the months, for the low postage.
So it’s a set precedent with them anyway

 Ketara wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

The facebook lot claim it's not just the leftovers, but also the logistical angle of it. Some issues get people ordering a gajillion each, whilst others are essentially the magazine equivalent of tumbleweed. This has apparently led to a problem where the extremely unpredictable flux of orders creates issues with staffing (for dispatch) and warehousing. The profit on each magazine simply isn't sufficient to cover what is effectively a massive procurement headache. Given the additional Covid/safe working distance requirements on top, they're consequently thinking about just not doing it this time around.

Again, this is just what I'm reading elsewhere and may be either completely untrue or a few grains of truth exaggerated out of proportion. Salt always applies.

I really don't find that believable, as it sounds like a fundamental misunderstanding of how these subscription things work and borderline incompetence if this is all a surprise them after all the other similar products they've sold. The idea that they don't want to stock Imperium because they'll sell more of some issues than others and people tend to buy lots of certain issues, just seems utterly absurd. They're a site that has done plenty of other partworks magazines and i'm sure it's a similar situation with comics, which they sell a lot of, it's not like Conquest was the first partworks thing they've done.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

I really don't find that believable, as it sounds like a fundamental misunderstanding of how these subscription things work and borderline incompetence if this is all a surprise them after all the other similar products they've sold. The idea that they don't want to stock Imperium because they'll sell more of some issues than others and people tend to buy lots of certain issues, just seems utterly absurd. They're a site that has done plenty of other partworks magazines and i'm sure it's a similar situation with comics, which they sell a lot of, it's not like Conquest was the first partworks thing they've done.

I genuinely hope you're right, as I want to buy Imperium from them!

That all having been said, I've no idea how many of set issues of Conquest sold for, and how many Imperium they're expecting to fly off the shelves. Without figures, all we can do is hope it's not true and cross our fingers.

 skeleton wrote:
its a shame they are not availble in europe

Mortal Realms is now available in France.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/12/assemble-mighty-armies-with-mortal-realms-magazine-now-available-in-france/

Imperium might become available in 2023!!!

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Ketara wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find that a bit hard to believe really, they currently have Mortal Realms and several other Hachette partworks products. If they stocked them expecting every issue of a 50+ part magazine subscription to sell equally as well and that there wouldn't be some issues that people aren't as interested in, then that just seems absurd.

To be fair, don't usual partworks follow a curve distribution (as you want all the parts, but people start dropping off) or zigzag (say, book series/comics, with some tomes being more or less popular) and this one is kind of nightmare, with demand being massive or nonexistent on pretty random basis for everyone who doesn't intricately know what is meta/in demand in Warhammer now? They can't even look up how much stuff costs on GW site because some expensive characters won't have much demand and some less expensive kits you need six or twelve of...

The facebook lot claim it's not just the leftovers, but also the logistical angle of it. Some issues get people ordering a gajillion each, whilst others are essentially the magazine equivalent of tumbleweed. This has apparently led to a problem where the extremely unpredictable flux of orders creates issues with staffing (for dispatch) and warehousing. The profit on each magazine simply isn't sufficient to cover what is effectively a massive procurement headache. Given the additional Covid/safe working distance requirements on top, they're consequently thinking about just not doing it this time around.

Again, this is just what I'm reading elsewhere and may be either completely untrue or a few grains of truth exaggerated out of proportion. Salt always applies.

I really don't find that believable, as it sounds like a fundamental misunderstanding of how these subscription things work and borderline incompetence if this is all a surprise them after all the other similar products they've sold. The idea that they don't want to stock Imperium because they'll sell more of some issues than others and people tend to buy lots of certain issues, just seems utterly absurd. They're a site that has done plenty of other partworks magazines and i'm sure it's a similar situation with comics, which they sell a lot of, it's not like Conquest was the first partworks thing they've done.

This is pretty much what I think. It's a fairly bizarre theory but it crops up frequently on this board - that the fundamentals of the business model are a complete mystery to the business itself, but are hilariously obvious to the consumer (ie everyone that posts here). The business can't get it right, and it happens over and again year upon year but the solution is very simple, just ask rand0mguy87, he has made a thread about it and everyone agrees. The idea that we can all see which issues are going to be super sellers and which issues will stay on the shelf (we can), but that no one at HQ can arrive at the same conclusion is obviously not correct.

Big part of the issue for forbidden planet is only charging you once on postage even if they send out multiple issues as they come in. that must massively cut into their margins.

also rumours that hatchette has changed their returns policy for shops, so FP would be stuck with any they can't sell.

alphaecho wrote:

 skeleton wrote:
its a shame they are not availble in europe

Mortal Realms is now available in France.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/12/assemble-mighty-armies-with-mortal-realms-magazine-now-available-in-france/

Imperium might become available in 2023!!!

Conquest, Imperium and Mortal Realms were organised by Hachette UK, but that is a subsidiary of Hachette Publishing which is a French company.

For any international Dakkanauts, I’ve got two of the Mortal Realms exclusive models in Mint Condition.

Yours for the cover price plus postage, just PM me.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Danny76 wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Is this something that's likely to appear in shops at any point soon?

Soon. Not necessarily.
In shops though, yes. Maybe 2 months time let’s say?

Is there a way to keep track? Every time this sort of thing is announced I always struggle to figure out when it's even meant to be in shops.

I imagine it'll be announced on the Warhammer Community website.


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 Orlanth wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
I did warn you..

Macragge Blue, I just don’t know what to do with it. I had 2 pots pre Conquest. I have about 8 since that and MR.

Good if there’s a lot of variance for sure..

Only eight pots.

Checks my inventory file (yes I have one)....

Macragge Blue x15

and

Abaddon Black x12
Retributor Armour x20

I have more modest amounts, seven pots each, of Bugman's Glow and Leadbelcher.
And all this is after giving some away.

I used up all my Macragge Blue from Conquest, but then, I did paint the Marines as Ultramarines.

I basically haven’t started my marines yet. I had decided on an Ultramarines successor (as I like doing my own stuff), just because I thought I better use all the blue..

Several Underworlds warbands feature blue. I think if I ever do the stormcast they’ll be mainly blue.
Anything else I can really. Just use blue for everything..

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For any international Dakkanauts, I’ve got two of the Mortal Realms exclusive models in Mint Condition.

Yours for the cover price plus postage, just PM me.

Which minis are these?

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
I did warn you..

Macragge Blue, I just don’t know what to do with it. I had 2 pots pre Conquest. I have about 8 since that and MR.

Good if there’s a lot of variance for sure..

Only eight pots.

Checks my inventory file (yes I have one)....

Macragge Blue x15

and

Abaddon Black x12
Retributor Armour x20

I have more modest amounts, seven pots each, of Bugman's Glow and Leadbelcher.
And all this is after giving some away.

I used up all my Macragge Blue from Conquest, but then, I did paint the Marines as Ultramarines.

I painted (future tense) mine in Kantor Blue, dont know yet if I have enough.
The extra paint came from extra copies of Issue 1, a restrained five copies total, plus many ebay lots which unsuprisingly were flush with these colours. I did buy a batch of pots of only Retributor armour, Macragge Blue, Abaddon Black and Leadbelcher for the unwholesome number of pots of Retributor armour it contained. That colour is very useful, tends to be expensive otherwise and was at the time cheap on ebay. I also bought a batch of Nuln Oil and Agrax Earthshade, eight pots of each, for another ludicrously low price, and have zero regrets doing so.

That being said I have given away several pots of the above colours and others spammed during Conquest to freinds who could afford it less and didnt buy up the cheap deals at the right time. I still have plenty for myself.
A while back I asked on Dakka for a formula for making a homebrew Kantor Blue from Magragge Blue. The experiment failed, but In did buy a number of 30ml and 50ml dropper bottles. I use 50ml dropper bottles for my four main shades, Nuln Oil, Agrax Earthshade, Seraphon Sepia and Reikland Fleshshade, if you have managed to store up several of these pots i recommend doing this. I also keep 30ml bottles for mixing two entire pots into one bottle. I made a pot of Abaddon Black and Leadbelcher for the armour of my chaos warriors, and should be able to recreate this with two more whole pots. I made a 30ml pot of Abaddon Black and Mephiston Red for their cloaks, and can recreate that too. This works well, especially the former paint which is now my go to for gothic dark iron.

I recommend thinking outside the box with spammed colours, I have yet to add Macragge Blue to Abaddon Black, and I will to do soon as an alt dark blue for general use, but I wont be using it for Crimson Fists.

How easy is it to get it out of a GW pot and into a dropper?
That’s a good idea for the mixing.

The chaos black yeah I have about 10.
I don’t mind as it’s a well used colour but still takes ages to get through just the one open one.
Same with retributor, it’s a great base for anything metallic that isn’t silver so can see use.

The first 2, 6 or 10 issues is possibly all I will go to.
So having some good paints in there is good. Would be ideal if they’re ones I didn’t have.
Or even better if it’s just not paints or terrain..