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Danny76 wrote: How easy is it to get it out of a GW pot and into a dropper?
That’s a good idea for the mixing.
Not good, trying to measure out paint is difficult, pouring it is harder then it looks, you will need a funnel and some distilled water. Pour as much as you can, then add some water close the pot and slosh it around, that should get the rest out. Better yet, if you have a large enough funnel turn the pot upside down and let gravity do its thing, just cover it with cling film to prevent the paint drying up. Ideally you want as small a funnel as possible so the funnel plus cling film traps as little air as possible.
Some people use pipettes, I havent tried that but one use pipettes are wasteful and you will still need to slosh out the paint to get it all.
The chaos black yeah I have about 10.
I don’t mind as it’s a well used colour but still takes ages to get through just the one open one.
Same with retributor, it’s a great base for anything metallic that isn’t silver so can see use.
Consider sacrificing one of each to the paint gods, to make a 'dark gold'. You can find out what it is useful for later.
Not all colours mix together well but black is generally a safe addition. Broadly speaking for acrylic pigments you are mixing chemicals not palette colours, so red and blue might not make purple.
The first 2, 6 or 10 issues is possibly all I will go to.
So having some good paints in there is good. Would be ideal if they’re ones I didn’t have.
Or even better if it’s just not paints or terrain..
The paints dilute issue value as normally you get one or two pots of paint as your issue contents, and are only useful if you want to collect the magazine. Don't overlook that, while n Imperium subscription magazine is superfluous to someone who has Conquest its still a decent quality product and collection.
Sprues and Brews did a run down of the savings for the collection and it came up to over £400, though admittedly from Gw retail prices, so by and large you are saving £150ish over the prices you would find on an indie online store. Though this ignores that some contents are not avaialbe elsewhere, and the pricetally did not include the paints brushes or paints.
Start Collecting! Vanguard Space Marines £60 (Contains Lt in Probos, 10 Infiltrators, 3 Eliminators, 3 Supressors)
13 Easy Build Assault Intercessors £30 (10 multi part ones are £36.50 – so have reduced this price a tad as the Easy Build kit isn’t available separately)
Primaris Lt £15 (Not available individually, so have dropped the price here a little based on availability in start sets)
Marneus Calgar and Honour Guard £ 32.50
Robute Guilliman £37.50
Exclusive Model £25 (Not going to be available separately, and will probably go for silly money on eBay)
Total Value – £309
Sisters of Battle – Adepta Sororitas
Contains the plastic contents of the Launch Box – as these are not multipart kit I would probably cost this in line with Combat Patrol boxes at around £85. Believe I would be doing you guys a disservice if I listed them a the costs of the multipart kits.
The Launch box had: 10 Battle Sisters, Cannoness, Penitant Engine, 5 Seraphim, a Repentia Squad and a unit of Arco-Flagellants
Total Value – £85ish
Adeptus Mechanicus
10 Skitarri £27.50
Tech priest Dominus £22.50
3 Kataphron £35
Total Value – £85
Total Imperium army value £479
Not a bad start, and that is only half of the models in the magazine run! Next up we have the Necrons!
Necrons
23 Necron Warriors (Plus 6 Scarab bases) £58 (two sets plus 3 additional models originally from the painting kit)
Royal Warden £15 (like with the Primaris Lt I’m giving this a low ball value as he isnt available seperatly)
Necrons Royal Court £68 (Contains Skorpekh Lord, Plasmancer, Murder Buckets and the good old Reanimator)
10 Immortals / Deathmarks £50
3 Skorpekh Destroyers £34.50
5 Lychguard £30
Necron Overlord (with Scythe) £17.50
3 Tomb Blades £30
Annihilation barge £30
Necron Destroyer £10
3 x Canoptek Wraiths £32.50
Cryptek £20
Triarch Stalker £32.50
Lokhurst Heavy Destroyer £21
Canoptek Spyder £25
5 Flayed Ones £30? (These are the new plastic ones from Kill Team Pariah Nexus)
Chronomancer £21? (Again the new guy from Kill Team Pariah Nexus)
Total Necron Value £525
This puts the models in the series at a value of £1004
That’s pretty impressive, but we have some scenery in the range too!
Scenery
Haemotrope Reactor £30
Munitorum Armoured Containers £32.50
2 x Sub Cloister and Storage Fane £70
Pipes £20 (Not available separately, so using an approximate price here)
Total Scenery Value £152.50
That gives us a grand total of £1156.50 of models over the run of the magazine! But, we will also be getting paints and brushes along with the run of the magazine, so that actually increases the value further – I will update this post with the values of paints as we get them for a running grand total
For 80 issues at £8.99 it will cost you account £719 for the entire 20 month run of the magazine, which saves you around £437.50 on what you get in models over the course of the run (Plus any value of paints that we get too!) Being able to collect 2 entire armies plus enough terrain for them to fight over seems like a great deal – and I will be picking this up myself! Issues where you can get an expensive kit for just £8.99 will also prove majorly popular too and can see people getting multiples to fill out their armies!
Summary of above in spoiler quotes:
Ultramarines – £309
Sisters of Battle - £85ish
Mechanicus – £85
Total Imperium army value £479
Necrons - £525
Scenery - £152.50
Total £1156.50
"For 80 issues at £8.99 it will cost you account £719 for the entire 20 month run of the magazine, which saves you around £437.50 on what you get in models over the course of the run"
Warhammer Imperium Savings Breakdown
Space Marines - £317.05
Sisters of Battle - £125.00 (This price is based on the Adepta Sororitas box set which includes the 8th Ed codex, cards and some dice.) Adeptus Mechanicus - £105.00
Necron - £547.70
Terrain - £157.50
Total Value - £1252.25 (This also did not include subscription gifts or paints.) Warhammer Imperium Collection Cost - £701.22
Total Savings £551.03
Now in both cases the above isn't exactly true as there are hidden extras, £7.99 (might be more) for each blinder after the first, plus additional content such as story books. From what I have heard Hachette have decided not to repeat the Painting Silver Templars set deal for Mortal Realms and had multiple novellas instead, which is likely cheaper to produce and have an arbitrary price. Imperium might go the same way.
But we also have to include the subscription gifts which are not inconsiderable. Let us tally those now as best we can with the info available.
Citadel plastic glue - £4.50
older model cutters, older sprue line scraper tool - est £10 (not available outside of the painting set boxes and are basically less than free if the paints in the sets are priced at full retail, the current seperate tools would cost £32)
large base brush - £5.45
small base brush - £4.15
medium shade brush - £5.35
painting handle - £7
I wont value up the binder and art prints (but the cost Hachette charges for the binders is £7.99 during Conquest)
£26.45 in confirmed prices plus arbitrary value of old tools. Total value £35-£40
Now lets add what we know of the paints and tools in the subcription
Starter paint brush - £0 not available for sale (actually useful as a disposable one use tool for brush on varnish, do keep these for what you need them).
Medium texture - £5.15
Small/Medium layer brush (unconfirmed) - £4.60/£4.90
Medium drybrush - $4.10
4x 24ml pots and 2x 18ml pots - all £4.75 regardless of type or colour
21x 12ml pots - all pots £2.75 regardless of type or colour -
4x 12ml pots with white tops - may contain either white paint at £2.75 or metallic paints at £3.70 (will assume one pot is a second white paint and three are metallics)
Paints value total -£100.10, as we can only estimate the number of metallics lets round to a ton.
Total value of paints and tools £140 estimated.
So to round it all up for easy digestion:
IMPERIUM magazine standard subscription
APPROX VALUE = £1300 (plus arbitrary value of magazine and artwork)
APPROX COST = £750 (including estimated hidden extras for binders, but excluding books)
Up to you Dakka if that is worth it.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
As with the first two. Yeah it’s definitely worth it cost to goods as it were.
But only if you want everything in there.
For me, I don’t want any scenery and likely most paints are repeats, though still potentially useable eventually, so those costs are out.
Then definitely a lot of the models are hit and miss for me.
Though it’s great to see a mix in the Imperium side.
Unless you want three small armies of those factions it actually lessens the value.
(If someone wanted Marines and Necrons, two full armies would obviously be best, but the sisters and Ad Mech are just small sampling’s almost like the premium factions are.
You end up with six small groups, a middle sized one and then a large Necron force).
Automatically Appended Next Post: Maybe when one of each of the Black and Gold get around the halfway point, I’ll just do some kind of mash up into one of the pots.
Doesn’t matter if it doesn’t all come out of the pot. Can just open a new one of each.
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It'll also turn out to be better value by the time it finishes as that'll be 2 years from now and the price of some of those kits is bound to go up!
I'll be curious to see the contents of the magazine itself - the "play" stuff will obviously be different from Conquest as it's a new edition, but I wonder if the collect/read stuff will be all "new" or will repeat a lot of stuff from Conquest wholesale.
I bought Issue 1 today, pretty happy with it, exclusive captain mini will be in issue 5, so that's one to watch out for.
I collected necrons and black templars about 15 years ago, but sold the armies off, tempting to recollect them with new minis, but I'll probably cherry-pick issues since the terrain and paints don't interest me at all.
The magazine isn't anything special, just assembly guide and very basic railroaded beginner combat scenario which does at least have an objective -based element to it even if the odds are stacked against the necron player.
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scarletsquig wrote: I bought Issue 1 today, pretty happy with it, exclusive captain mini will be in issue 5, so that's one to watch out for.
I collected necrons and black templars about 15 years ago, but sold the armies off, tempting to recollect them with new minis, but I'll probably cherry-pick issues since the terrain and paints don't interest me at all.
The magazine isn't anything special, just assembly guide and very basic railroaded beginner combat scenario which does at least have an objective -based element to it even if the odds are stacked against the necron player.
Was that a purchase from a news agents?
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The magazines aren't the best for people already playing. I never really bothered reading them for Conquest or Mortal Realms. I imagine they're awesome for people just starting out and especially for little ones.
H.B.M.C. wrote: "This is currently a limited regional run to judge the level of update..."
You think they'd know that by now, given how successful the first one was in various countries.
True but
1) Part of the book is repeating the Space Marines line, which means it might not be "as" popular to existing marine customers who might already have all the marines they want
2) Outreach to new customers is clearly part of their study as well and it might be one Warhammer 40K magazine hit that market enough that there's no market left to reach out too
3) It's likely just part of how they conduct their business every time they do a partworks magazine. Even if they already know its going to be super popular its part of their company structure
4) There might be background elements that they like to test out with a trial release that lets them smooth out back end aspects which customers aren't aware of. This might even be down to just the way the magazine is presented and shipped and packed and such
Picked one up in southernmost London today, it doesn’t have the obvious bargain appeal of previous first issues but two great figs for 2.99 - I’ll definitely pick up another one or two when it’s released for real - this time I left the rest for someone else to enjoy
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I certainly know my local wh smiths was annoyed by the huge cardboard backing on mortal realms early issues
I never really canvasses the opinion of the staff in my local WH Smith but. in that store at least, they appear to have a special set of shelves for partworks.
By special, the bottom half is an open box affair that appears to be set up to take opening issues and the larger issues for ongoing series with twp sets of shelves for the ongoing issues of Mortal Realms, Marvel and Batman hardbacks and so on.
Getting multiple copies of Conquest Issue 1 home did take up bag space though.
scarletsquig wrote: I bought Issue 1 today, pretty happy with it, exclusive captain mini will be in issue 5, so that's one to watch out for.
I collected necrons and black templars about 15 years ago, but sold the armies off, tempting to recollect them with new minis, but I'll probably cherry-pick issues since the terrain and paints don't interest me at all.
The magazine isn't anything special, just assembly guide and very basic railroaded beginner combat scenario which does at least have an objective -based element to it even if the odds are stacked against the necron player.
Was that a purchase from a news agents?
Just a corner shop with a really small magazine section. In Norwich though so one of the trial areas. I asked the shopkeeper if he was getting any future issues, he says he didn't know and just stocks whatever magazines arrive with the standard delivery.
My locals Smiths (large 2 floor store) sounds like it has the same display shelf unit right by the door but stock is very limited.
Top shelf will occasionally have a couple of copies of the first issue of new partworks, the second shelf sometimes has a single later issue of a DC graphic novel partwork and lying flat out of sight in the bottom of the open box they very occasionally have an issue of Mortal Realms. About 75% of the time, the entire shelf unit is completely empty.
The Smiths local to my work has a smaller 3ft double sided display that always has a couple of mortal realms issues each week along with sci-fi or car model partworks.
I think it entirely depends on the staff with the store close to my work actually making an effort with partworks and the store by my house likely just doing the bare minimum with new titles and subscription issues that have not been picked up.
Aeneades wrote: My locals Smiths (large 2 floor store) sounds like it has the same display shelf unit right by the door but stock is very limited.
Top shelf will occasionally have a couple of copies of the first issue of new partworks, the second shelf sometimes has a single later issue of a DC graphic novel partwork and lying flat out of sight in the bottom of the open box they very occasionally have an issue of Mortal Realms. About 75% of the time, the entire shelf unit is completely empty.
The Smiths local to my work has a smaller 3ft double sided display that always has a couple of mortal realms issues each week along with sci-fi or car model partworks.
I think it entirely depends on the staff with the store close to my work actually making an effort with partworks and the store by my house likely just doing the bare minimum with new titles and subscription issues that have not been picked up.
Or the one with bare shelves it just gets picked clean quicker..
Alpharius wrote: Its times like these that wish I had a good friend in the UK that could pick up select issues for me!
Unless you like wait all 80 weeks and do whole at once might not be cheaper than gw due to shipping...
There is fb group that could help. Also not sure does uk have those but reshipping company might help(in essence they provide you with uk address, mail sent there gets reshipped to you . I use similar time to time to buy from japanese stores that don't ship outside japan)
Blastaar wrote: Looks good. I do wish GW hadn't thrown Calgar and Bobby G in. I don't play Smurfs.
I mean, for the price your paying you can always cut them up and use them for basing if there's no conversions that spring to mind.
I know. Maybe sand all the flashy crap of Rowboat, give him a new head and.. The Lion! He'd still have to be allied in to DA though lol. Not that I play atm.
Danny76 wrote: How easy is it to get it out of a GW pot and into a dropper?
That’s a good idea for the mixing.
Some people use pipettes, I havent tried that but one use pipettes are wasteful ...
I've got a single-use pipette I've been using for nearly 20 years.
For water? I have a 'one use' syringe for that.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
