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Post by: Racerguy180
Goat people & Contiental Army...didn't have that on my bingo card for 2025
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Racerguy180 wrote:Goat people & Contiental Army...didn't have that on my bingo card for 2025
Most people don’t know there were no goat people in the Americas until Europeans brought them over.
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Post by: Racerguy180
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:Racerguy180 wrote:Goat people & Contiental Army...didn't have that on my bingo card for 2025
Most people don’t know there were no goat people in the Americas until Europeans brought them over.
Damn Europeans and their Goat people!!! No wonder the Colonials rose up...
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
BobtheInquisitor wrote:Racerguy180 wrote:Goat people & Contiental Army...didn't have that on my bingo card for 2025
Most people don’t know there were no goat people in the Americas until Europeans brought them over.
Take your exault and get out of here!
(Actually don't get out of here, that was genuinely funny)
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Post by: RaptorusRex
Goatman is no laughing matter.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I imagine a lot of other people had the same question I did when they saw this.
https://www.nps.gov/mima/patriotsofcolor.htm
And the answer is yes, there were Black Minutemen.
Learn something every day.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Aww minutemen would be a great base for some variant wild west guys if they didn't wear those pilgrim loafers
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Post by: Rihgu
Okay, but IS there a game system where you can play as minutemen fighting beastmen in the forests of the new world, or is it one of those "you can make any number of generic rulesets work for that theme" sort of things?
I'm not sure I'd feel good about re-skinning actual human natives as beastmen, so an inherent fantasy element would be a must.
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Post by: Cruentus
You could check out Witchfinder General - Days of Revelation, which are 17th Century Folklore Historical Wargame Rules. Set in England, no reason it couldn't be ported to the Americas.
That's the only one that comes to mind right off-hand. Maybe use Silver Bayonet (Naploeonic, but could probably be adapted).
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Post by: Hatemonger
I do have one concern with the new range. I notice that the dates are listed as 1775-2025. While I appreciate the implication that the "Age of Reason" definitely extends no further than the current year, I'm not sure it's accurate to say that it includes everything up to that point, either.
I think historians are still debating exactly which year we finally left Reason behind.
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
Hatemonger wrote:I do have one concern with the new range. I notice that the dates are listed as 1775-2025. While I appreciate the implication that the "Age of Reason" definitely extends no further than the current year, I'm not sure it's accurate to say that it includes everything up to that point, either.
I think historians are still debating exactly which year we finally left Reason behind.
That's not the range dates.
That's the 250th anniversary of the battle of bunker hill.
also lexington and concord, earlier this year in April when we previewed these sets.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Oh no!
Not only did I have to teach about the Spaniards exploration and exploitation of the Americas, which was a perfect excuse to get students building Conquistadores and Aztecs and rolling dice for skirmish games, but now I have a perfect excuse to have them build Red Coats and Minutemen? What ever shall I do?
Going to need to look into some sort of grant process or money from the state to have them buy a bunch of models in bulk so we can have some proper war games.
I'm honestly going to be talking to my administrators about doing something at a bigger scale than just me ordering a box or two for each side.
WGA should set up some educator programs! 
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I think the 250 might be for 250 years of the US army.
Definitely confusing
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Post by: Hatemonger
Wargames Atlantic wrote:Hatemonger wrote:I do have one concern with the new range. I notice that the dates are listed as 1775-2025. While I appreciate the implication that the "Age of Reason" definitely extends no further than the current year, I'm not sure it's accurate to say that it includes everything up to that point, either.
I think historians are still debating exactly which year we finally left Reason behind.
That's not the range dates.
That's the 250th anniversary of the battle of bunker hill.
also lexington and concord, earlier this year in April when we previewed these sets.
I suppose that makes more sense, even if it does ruin my carefully-crafted jab about the decline of civilization.
Kid_Kyoto wrote:I think the 250 might be for 250 years of the US army.
Definitely confusing
Maybe they could have a parade to clarify. A Clarification Day Parade!
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Post by: ritualnet
I'd love to know how those satyrs size up to the stuff from The Old World, and especially if there's going to be more!
I want to mix up my stuff (I loved in the Gotrex and Felix book, they were random animals and mutations, rather than all goats), and it would be interesting to see i these can be mixed with Gor or Ungor.
Plus, I hate the minotaurs, and having a WGA kit for minotaurs would be awesome!
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Post by: Da Boss
I believe those were already released by RGD games, so you could look for size comparisons with their name. They also released Fauns, which were smaller goat men and centaurs.
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Post by: Kalamadea
I hope 54mm display dual kits don't become a regular thing with WGA. It makes a bit of sense in this very particular case since Sean Bean as Sharpe is so iconic, but having a few more of the show's named characters all released as a box set would have been so much more useful.
If Harper comes as a 28mm+54mm dual kit we riot
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Post by: Gallahad
I'd hoped they would modify some of the Satyr bits to make them more useable. The handles on the hammers are all ridiculously thin, are prone to break and look silly to boot. Several of the clubs also narrow down to being very thin, and they didn't replace the odd turtle shell looking things. I still have no idea what those can be used for. Maybe shoulder armor for the three crossbody strap bodies??
At least several of the axes are nice. Heads are suitably weird giving them all a "painting from medieval period come to life" vibe.
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Post by: Racerguy180
I'm sooo down for doing a Sharpe diorama, in both scales.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Those are... not great? Half of them look like cutouts from entirely different places with different floor paneling, when ideally a set of bases should look like differently offset cutouts from the same location. And the other half aren't even cutouts, they are perfectly centred on some design that exactly fits on a base... are they teleport pads?
For the future, I suggest your workflow for designing a base set is sculpting a 5x5" or so area of a coherent floor, then making cutouts of that.
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Post by: insaniak
Yeah, having the detail centered on the base is fine for a single display piece, but looks odd when it's repeated across a unit. This set has too many bases with centered detail, and too many details distinct to a single base, which throws off the uniformity.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/markets-barricades
The Markets & Barricades set first seen in the Barrons War box set is now available on its own
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Post by: KidCthulhu
This makes me very happy. Also, the kit has way more little details and stuff than I thought. I only saw the photos of the barricade assemblies..
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Post by: Ancestral Hamster
The market stalls will be useful for Guards of Traitor's Toll. And set dressing for the town scenario in Deth Wizards.
Question. How many market tables does one get? From the assembly guide, it looks like four.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
 Ancestral Hamster wrote:The market stalls will be useful for Guards of Traitor's Toll. And set dressing for the town scenario in Deth Wizards.
Question. How many market tables does one get? From the assembly guide, it looks like four.
Okay, the product description says it makes 8 barricades.
The two different sprues have 2 barricade bases each. So let's assume 2 of each sprue.
Going by the sprue photos, it looks like four tables is indeed correct.
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Post by: mithril2098
 Rihgu wrote:Okay, but IS there a game system where you can play as minutemen fighting beastmen in the forests of the new world, or is it one of those "you can make any number of generic rulesets work for that theme" sort of things?
I'm not sure I'd feel good about re-skinning actual human natives as beastmen, so an inherent fantasy element would be a must.
Silver Bayonet? it's set a few decades later (napoleonic wars) but given there wasn't much major change in weapons tech you could probably make the game work for the french and indian war and the revolutionary war. and it certainly would work for 1812. not sure if these figures would fit 100% into the rules, they don;t seem to have much on the way of melee options or poses. but from what i understand the rules for warband construction are fairly flexible so you could probably make it work with a little customization.
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Post by: cygnnus
mithril2098 wrote: Rihgu wrote:Okay, but IS there a game system where you can play as minutemen fighting beastmen in the forests of the new world, or is it one of those "you can make any number of generic rulesets work for that theme" sort of things?
I'm not sure I'd feel good about re-skinning actual human natives as beastmen, so an inherent fantasy element would be a must.
Silver Bayonet? it's set a few decades later (napoleonic wars) but given there wasn't much major change in weapons tech you could probably make the game work for the french and indian war and the revolutionary war. and it certainly would work for 1812. not sure if these figures would fit 100% into the rules, they don;t seem to have much on the way of melee options or poses. but from what i understand the rules for warband construction are fairly flexible so you could probably make it work with a little customization.
That was going to be my suggestion as well. Military technology really didn’t change very much between the revolutionary war, and the Napoleonic era that silver bayonet is set in. A few weapons/options are not quite seamless fits, but otherwise, the rules set should work with very little modification.
Valete,
JohnS
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Post by: Perfect Organism
Genuinely mysterious bits from the sneak preview. The shoulder pads suggest Death Fields, but don't match the style of any existing team (closest would seem to be the Damned, which would match the damage and different rivet count between two models). The guns seem at least close to real-world ones if not direct copies (the automatic pistol seems to have the basic features of a 1911, the shotgun looks familiar but I can't place it, the revolver seems a bit more weird and isn't anything I recognise). At a guess, these are for the same range as the the generic modern civilians, but more of a 'Mad Max' style wasteland raider faction.
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Post by: mithril2098
 Perfect Organism wrote:Genuinely mysterious bits from the sneak preview. The shoulder pads suggest Death Fields, but don't match the style of any existing team (closest would seem to be the Damned, which would match the damage and different rivet count between two models). The guns seem at least close to real-world ones if not direct copies (the automatic pistol seems to have the basic features of a 1911, the shotgun looks familiar but I can't place it, the revolver seems a bit more weird and isn't anything I recognise). At a guess, these are for the same range as the the generic modern civilians, but more of a 'Mad Max' style wasteland raider faction.
Looks like the shoulder pads for the American troops from Marcher. The weapons would fit their Alt-1940's style as well.
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Post by: Johanxp
Those ram riders are so nice
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Post by: SU-152
Lovely dwarfs.
I'll get a box even though I just need half a dozen stands for my mercenary army.
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Post by: Racerguy180
Now that the final shipping address deadline has passed I'm eagerly awaiting my big ol box of damned Damned sprues.
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Post by: Gir Spirit Bane
Racerguy180 wrote:Now that the final shipping address deadline has passed I'm eagerly awaiting my big ol box of damned Damned sprues.
Same, it's been the usual long past deadline but I have all the hype still!
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Post by: Altruizine
I've been paaaatiently waiting to ask about an ETA for general release of The Damned products (didn't want to be annoying and do it too far in advance of actual backers starting to get their stuff).
Any estimates? We looking at a couple of months, or like 6+ months?
I really want a Mauler and a Terrae Motus.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Shipping for US ks backers (from the US production site) should be any time soon (they've had the last call for address changes), with shipping to the rest of the world following a few weeks later (from the UK production site)
so i'd hope to see the first general releases coming September/October time, but it's going to be a few kits at a time rather than a dump of the whole lot so where the vehicle would fit into the schedule i'm not sure
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Post by: Tazok
More delays, something to do with the heavy infantry sprue this time.
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Post by: mrgrigson
Holy crap. Proper, hoofed, naked goatmen. After 25 years, my BälSäc warband for GWAR: Rumble in Antarctica can finally have appropriate henchmen. Thank you!
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Post by: Perfect Organism
mithril2098 wrote: Perfect Organism wrote:Genuinely mysterious bits from the sneak preview. The shoulder pads suggest Death Fields, but don't match the style of any existing team (closest would seem to be the Damned, which would match the damage and different rivet count between two models). The guns seem at least close to real-world ones if not direct copies (the automatic pistol seems to have the basic features of a 1911, the shotgun looks familiar but I can't place it, the revolver seems a bit more weird and isn't anything I recognise). At a guess, these are for the same range as the the generic modern civilians, but more of a 'Mad Max' style wasteland raider faction.
Looks like the shoulder pads for the American troops from Marcher. The weapons would fit their Alt-1940's style as well.
There are distinct differences from the Marcher American shoulder pads though. The Marcher US ones all have two rivets per side, while the sneak peek ones have a variable number. The sneak peek ones look rounded on the top, while the Marcher US ones are straight. Marcher US ones are concave at the front while sneak peak ones are straight. Sneak peak ones cover most of the upper arm, while Marcher US ones only cover about half of it and have pockets visible underneath. Finally, Marcher US arms have some kind of vambrace, while the sneak peak ones have what look like folded over coat cuffs. They don't seem to match any of the other Marcher faction either.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
mrgrigson wrote:Holy crap. Proper, hoofed, naked goatmen. After 25 years, my BälSäc warband for GWAR: Rumble in Antarctica can finally have appropriate henchmen. Thank you!
I am disturbed but also want to see pics
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Post by: RustyNumber
mrgrigson wrote:Holy crap. Proper, hoofed, naked goatmen. After 25 years, my BälSäc warband for GWAR: Rumble in Antarctica can finally have appropriate henchmen. Thank you!
Are they *really* satyrs if they do not have massive schlongs?
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Post by: Fenriswulf
Ok, their 10mm figures are amazing. I think I'll make a bunch of 10mm armies and use them to play Kings of War, as multi-basing suits this kind of style better, and use my regular 28-32mm miniatures for Warhammer: The Old world. I can't wait to see what else they make!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/welcome-to-the-arena-death-fields-arena-beta-launch-and-community-playtest-invitation Welcome to the Arena: Death Fields Arena Beta Launch and Community Playtest Invitation At Wargames Atlantic, we have always believed that wargaming is at its best when it’s a shared experience — not just on the tabletop, but in creating the worlds, rules, and stories that bring our miniatures to life. With that in mind, we’re incredibly excited to announce that Death Fields Arena is now in Beta Playtest, Version 1.0 — and we want you, our community, to join us from the very beginning, which you can do by downloading the rules, right now, for free. The main idea behind this release is simple yet important: we want the community to start playtesting early. We aren’t just seeking feedback — we want insights from players who have rolled the dice, manoeuvred teams, and genuinely tested the game on the tabletop.   There’s also a generic faction template, allowing you to get creative and test your builds and ideas for teams right from the start. We intend to add more factions, abilities, traits, and equipment as quickly as the community requests, with the generic team available throughout testing before being withdrawn prior to the general release. This means the game will evolve rapidly, and your input will help drive that evolution. A few key things to note as you jump in: Small Teams, Big Impact Teams are deliberately kept small. Every model is important. Each team member is vital and should feel like a personal asset you oversee. Understanding their strengths and timing their activations will be key to success. Master Combat Effectiveness and Activation Phases The quicker you understand how Combat Effectiveness (CE) impacts a team member’s stats and how the Activation Phase cycle determines when they act, the sooner you’ll be able to assert your authority across the arena floor! [more info at the link above so please visit WGA if you're interested in taking part or learning more]
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Post by: McDougall Designs
I've read through the rules. The mechanic of combat effectiveness seems fun.
What do you all think?
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
A look at the upcoming Boneblades for Classic Fantasy Battles (10mm hard plastic):
https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/preview-classic-fantasy-battles-boneblades
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Post by: ScarletRose
How about an ETA on the Damned?
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Post by: Prometheum5
The sprue pic was posted above, but have we talked about the painted Fantasy Battle Dwarfs sample? The shields look terrible!
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Post by: Eilif
 Prometheum5 wrote:The sprue pic was posted above, but have we talked about the painted Fantasy Battle Dwarfs sample? The shields look terrible!
How
Wrong
You
Are.
For decades, Wargamers have dreamt of nothing less than understrength regiments of tiny dwarves toting nipple-faced snare drums.
And now,
With that dream realized you have the temerity to mock!
Have
You
No
Shame?
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Post by: insaniak
The shields look ok to me, but the mini-bantha riders all looking to the left is weird.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
There really is a lot of solid undercut shadow on those shields. Something to be expected on Epic scale models from a middling company like GW but not Wargames Atlantic.
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Post by: Gallahad
WGA should be sending out sprues of the Damned to YouTube channels with release embargos to make a big splash when The Damned are available at retail.
I hope they are making the most of this chance to launch into wider wargamer consciousness and not getting distracted by the million other small fry projects they have going on.
Also, it would be nice to see an update on delivery of The Damned project.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
It would be good to hear more, as i'm very keen for them to arrive
but the previous update was (just) less than a month ago, and given what's been said on production i don't think anything other than a 'Shipping Now' post is likely
I think having a bunch of review stuff out would be smart (and i hope Mini Wargaming might end up doing a bit more promotion than they did during the campaign)
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Post by: legionaires
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I think having a bunch of review stuff out would be smart (and i hope Mini Wargaming might end up doing a bit more promotion than they did during the campaign)
I'm still disappointed by MWG during the campaign. Big nothing burger on his end of the promotion IMO.
But at least I have a head to put on a pike.
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Post by: SU-152
Loving the skeletons. Going to get a couple of boxes.
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Post by: Prometheum5
The skeletons came out really nice and I'd like to paint some as well, but I don't want to touch anything Fantasy Battles until the game is out so I can see what they're doing and if it's worth building as anything other than a WMR army.
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Post by: Talking Banana
Yet another reference to the center not holding. This is truly the year for quoting apocalyptic metaphors.
Anyhow, good read. I like that the owner lays out the situation plainly. And I'm very, very glad I pledged for The Damned when I did!
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Post by: scarletsquig
The design of the dwarves is really good, but the tooling on the rightmost dwarven shields is really off, they have cylinders instead of arms.
Not a dealbreaker for the kit, but they look like they'd need some carving work there on a few of them to fix them up a little, or just leaving those particular minis off.
Skeletons are perfect, however, I'm definitely getting those since I already have a 3d printed 10mm vampire counts army, but it mainly had zombies and ghouls rather than skellies, and the kit is nicely designed to be really easy to paint (white undercoat, pick out metals, brown wash, pick out wood in whatever colours you like and done).
10mm KoW is very popular locally, so these are very welcome kits.
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Post by: Prometheum5
The Dwarves are really spoiled by the shields. I'm still curious about the full game boxed set, but the state of the Dwarves is a big turnoff for me, there had to be a better way to design those with the molding in mind!
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
Ironically the Dwarves shields are the same thickness as the Orc ones. I think too many people are looking at a photo that's been blown up WAY too much. ANY wargame figure is going to look terrible when it's shown at more than actual size. Just the nature of the beast with needing to sculpt in proportions that look right from 3 feet away.
In other news - go get some wicked cool Civilians/Survivors!
https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/pre-order-civilians-survivors-men
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Post by: scarletsquig
Those are fantastic, so many potential uses in all sorts of games, I like how one of the minis is sculpted, assembled and painted to match for the concept art.
55 heads for 6 bodies is such a good call, a headswap can completely change the style of the mini from gangster to protestor to office worker, it makes the kit really flexible on its own, and the cardboard cut out signs on the back of the box is genius, a lot of people are going to have fun with mini signmaking and it gives me a bit of nostalgia for the time when back banners were all DIY painted or printouts as an extra hobby step to personalize the minis.
Does "(1): Men" meant a female set is on the way?
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Time to come up with the name of my government agency
Perhaps FLOE - federal lynchers of other ethnicities
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Post by: Rosebuddy
An agents set seems pretty neat, useful for all sorts of pulp, cyberpunk and mafia stuff.
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Post by: Ancient Otter
There is a photo at the end of this week's newsletter from WA that appears to show painted women survivors so I guess so.
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Post by: Hatemonger
Will the plastic male and female survivors be compatible with parts from the Atlantic Digital Fleeing Survivors set?
- H8
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Post by: Easy E
Very good additions to the range with the Agents and Survivors bits.
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Post by: modelhunter
I am so looking forward to the Operators and Agents to play scenarios with their planned civilians and current Zombies.
I can also see a scenario coming to play around the world invasion of Harvesters (or at least down here in Oz).
Well done WGA!
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Post by: Perfect Organism
'Pulp Adventure!' seems like an extremely weird brand for modern-day miniatures. The 'pulp' age is generally considered to be the 1920s to maybe 1940 or so, 1960s at most. Meanwhile, the miniatures look 1980s at the earliest.
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Post by: Monkeysloth
I hate to break it to you but 80's is 100% in pulp now in the wider culture thanks to stranger things and other nolstalga shows. It's been 40 years since that decade and pulp has just expanded in what is classified in it I would argue.
On the tabeltop side you have Don't look back which I'd classify as a pulp horror game set in the 80s.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
The 80s is as far from today as World War II is from the 80s.
In recent years Pulp has come to mean over the top action not to be taken seriously, I hear GW novels described as Pulp and I can't argue.
I agree I still think of Doc Savage and Indy Jones (from the 80s as it happens) when I hear Pulp but I think 'moderns' creates an expectation of realism and not say, zombies.
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Post by: Hatemonger
Perfect Organism wrote:'Pulp Adventure!' seems like an extremely weird brand for modern-day miniatures. The 'pulp' age is generally considered to be the 1920s to maybe 1940 or so, 1960s at most. Meanwhile, the miniatures look 1980s at the earliest.
Kid_Kyoto wrote:In recent years Pulp has come to mean over the top action not to be taken seriously, I hear GW novels described as Pulp and I can't argue.
I agree with both of these definitions, because one is referring to Pulp as a period, the other as a genre. I have seen both before, and I consider them equally valid, albeit confusing if you don't know which is being used. So, if you told me that ABC manufacturer was releasing a line of Pulp figures, I wouldn't really be certain what to expect without further context.
The problem is that there isn't a universally agreed name for this style of story/game. As Perfect Organism said, Pulp has ties to a specific period. Fantasy implies wizards and dragons, and Sci-Fi is in space. "Modern", at least among miniatures games, has a connotation of accuracy and realism. If I say "Fantasy Pirates", a lot of people are going to expect orcs and elves among the crew, so what do you call Pirates of the Caribbean? What about Scooby Doo or GI Joe? What about King Kong - does it matter if the big gorilla is in 1920 or 2020? These are all fantasical tales, but they aren't Fantasy as most people understand the term.
- H8
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Post by: Kalamadea
Pulp Sci-fi has been around for a while for Flash Gordon and Star Wars, so having pulp also apply to 80s action movies/TV shows makes a lot of sense. I'd never thought of it, but pulp pretty much perfectly describes A-Team and McGuyver and GI Joe.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Functionally, "pulp" was the first mass market entertainment, cheap magazines. So today's pulp is probably AI generated ragebait on youtube.
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Post by: Smokestack
* THE DAMNED - 11 SETS Injection Complete in US except for Heavy Infantry, Molds waiting on injection slot in UK once more mold bases arrive.
* CLASSIC FANTASY BATTLES DWARVEN HOST - Release Date: August 29
* CIVILIANS & SURVIVORS (1): MEN - Release Date: September 5
* SORCERER'S SPOILS - Tooling complete
* DARK AGES ARMY BUILDER - Available in US, injection in UK
* COFTYRAN CHYWEETHL TRACTOR UK Injection finalizes soon, first US injection once molds out of customs
* CRUSADER AILTHEAN TRACTOR - UK Injection finalizes soon, first US injection once molds out of customs
* GRAND BATTLE SCALE AZINCOURT ENGLISH ARMY - Photography
* GRAND BATTLE SCALE AZINCOURT FRENCH ARMY - Photography
* 25MM TEXTURED BASES (2MM) - Photography/Box Design
* QUAR WESTERN ARNYARAN INFANTRY - Waiting for Creevish
* WAAMR002 GLADIATORS - On Hold for Kickstarter
* CLASSIC FANTASY BATTLES BONEBLADES - Release date: September 12
* MARCHER US INFANTRY/MARCHER VETERANS/SUITS - Suits in file prep.
* HALFLING CAVALRY - Box printing finishes next week, Injection in UK
* 32MM TEXTURED BASES (3MM BEVEL EDGE) - Production complete in UK, photography
* EXPANSE SHIPS FRAME AND CREW FRAME - Waiting for Kickstarter
* LATE ROMAN LEGIONARIES (2): LORICA SQUAMATA/LATE ROMAN SHIELDS - Photography for box design
* QUAR CREEVISH RHYFLERS - On hold for game
* OPERATORS - Box printing finishes next week, tool en route to UK
* WARRING STATES ARMORED WARRIORS - Tooling complete, Box design
* QUAR FIDWOG SPECIALISTS - Box printing
* HIGH HAARKUUN WARRIORS - On hold
* SHADOKESH FERALS/WARRIORS - Layout changes
* AGENTS - Box Design
* QUAR CREEVISH CAVALRY - Tooling
* GENERAL ACCOUTREMENTS BUNKER - Design Changes
* CLASSIC FANTASY BATTLES HORSELORDS 01: STORMRIDERS - Painting
* CIVILIANS & SURVIVORS (2): WOMEN - Tooling
* QUAR FIDWOG COMMAND - Tooling
* SECRET NAPOLEONIC SET 1 - Final box design
* CLASSIC FANTASY ORC WARRIORS - Final Design
* RIFLEMAN HARPER - Design
* HEIHO GAME - Production
* SUPER SECRET (REDACTED) SET - Tooling x 3 frames!
* DEATH FIELDS ARENA TERRAIN SET - Layout
* SECRET BRONZE AGE SET - Redesign
* SECRET BLOOD OATHS SET - Design
* BARONS' WAR SET - Part check
* CLASSIC FANTASY BATTLES ELVEN QUEENSGUARD - Redesign
* CLASSIC FANTASY BATTLES ELVEN CAVALRY - Redesign
* CLASSIC FANTASY BATTLES TREEMEN - Design
* CLASSIC FANTASY BATTLES LANDSKNECHT OGRE GUNNERS - File Prep
* CLASSIC FANTASY BATTLES LANDSKNECHT OGRE MELEE - File adjustments
* CLASSIC FANTASY BATTLES HORSELORDS 2/3 - Tooling
* FANTASY RACE VILLAGERS - Design
* 40MM ROUND TEXTURED BASES - Photography
* 25MM ROUND BASE MOVEMENT TRAY - Final design for 150mm x 50mm, 75mm x 50mm, and 50mm x 50mm
* CLASSIC FANTASY BATTLES MOVEMENT TRAY - Design
* DEATH FIELDS N'GLONHGK - File Prep
* QUAR PARTISANS - Layout
* SECRET WW2 SET - Design
* SECRET WW2 SET #2 - Design
* SECRET DARK AGES SET - Design
So... lots of good stuff. Still looking most forward to the halfling cavalry. But also curious about SORCERER'S SPOILS , and I wonder what the HIGH HAARKUUN WARRIORS are. Lots of Classic Fantasy battles sets (10, plus the movement trays). Not my cup of tea, but guess they sell well if so much of the pipe line involves them.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
13 more Quar sets is also pretty outlandish
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Post by: Smokestack
Hmmm. Yeah. Quar also not my cup of tea, but good news for those looking forward to that.
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Post by: lasgunpacker
That seems like five "new" Quar sets, since the release schedule lists eight already. They may not be everyone's cup of tea, but that is great news for aficionados.
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Post by: Ancestral Hamster
So it seems, but if WGA is being paid to produce them by ZombieSmith Games, then it is the latter company's risk.
That said, even though it does not interest me I hope the Quar do well for both companies.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
I'm waiting impatiently for the Warring States Chinese stuff, personally. Been wanting those since the original teaser renders.
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Post by: Gallahad
Dang, it is a bummer to see only a single 28mm scale fantasy set on that list. Their fantasy sets must not be selling as well as other kits.
The goblins and lizardmen suffer from poor weapon selection, and the werewolves are too small, so some of the tepid reception are from self inflicted wounds so to speak. But the villagers and guards seemed to be very well received. Hopefully they release more thoughtfully designed fantasy sets in the future.
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Post by: Smokestack
 Gallahad wrote:Dang, it is a bummer to see only a single 28mm scale fantasy set on that list. Their fantasy sets must not be selling as well as other kits.
The goblins and lizardmen suffer from poor weapon selection, and the werewolves are too small, so some of the tepid reception are from self inflicted wounds so to speak. But the villagers and guards seemed to be very well received. Hopefully they release more thoughtfully designed fantasy sets in the future.
I wonder what FANTASY RACE VILLAGERS will do that the other villagers set didnt.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
 Smokestack wrote:I wonder what FANTASY RACE VILLAGERS will do that the other villagers set didnt.
Running poses, obviously
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Post by: Ancestral Hamster
re: FANTASY RACE VILLAGERS
Perhaps a mix of demi-humans or even goblinoids? While I suspect it is a minority interest, I can't be the only gamer who'd like some non-human denizens in their fantasy townships.
For Guards of Traitor's Toll I purchased two non-human civilians: a female orc blacksmith, and a female Halfling baker. There's a female elf head in the Guards of Traitor's Toll starter (1 per civilian sprue for total of three), and I've a few spare elf heads from WHFB so there will be a few more elves and half-elves in my version of Traitor's Toll. The GoTT rulebook mentions some kind of aquatic humanoid species that resides near the city and who trade frequently, so that's another source of non-human civilians; I'll use the couple of Snakemen I bought from Northstar Ghost Archipelago metals.
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Post by: Talking Banana
These three caught my eye
DEATH FIELDS ARENA TERRAIN SET
SHADOKESH FERALS/WARRIORS
DEATH FIELDS N'GLONHGK
Terrain could either be very useful or unimaginative and repetitive. I've had my eye on the Shadokesh for a long time but had basically given up on them ever getting made. Finally, I have no idea what N'Glonhgk are, but they sound non-human, possibly Lovecraftian by way of Ramsey Campbell (is it a take on Y'Golonyac?,) so I'm interested to find out.
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Post by: Jack Flask
Smokestack wrote: Gallahad wrote:Dang, it is a bummer to see only a single 28mm scale fantasy set on that list. Their fantasy sets must not be selling as well as other kits.
The goblins and lizardmen suffer from poor weapon selection, and the werewolves are too small, so some of the tepid reception are from self inflicted wounds so to speak. But the villagers and guards seemed to be very well received. Hopefully they release more thoughtfully designed fantasy sets in the future.
I wonder what FANTASY RACE VILLAGERS will do that the other villagers set didnt.
Given that in most fantasy games "race" (species honestly would have been a better word probably, but it's now convention) is used to refer to human, elf, dwarf, orc, etc and this set is still in DESIGN; it could be that they're undecided on which race to pick or are even planning multiple sets.
It'd actually be pretty cool to have a set of Elf Villagers wearing robes and doing non-war related things like baking bread or playing a harp
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Smokestack wrote:
I wonder what FANTASY RACE VILLAGERS will do that the other villagers set didnt.
No need to SHOUT we can hear you
I imagine it will have Elves, Dwarves, Halflings and such. Maybe some of the funkier races that have popped up like Cat Folks and Turtle Folks and whatever.
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Post by: Racerguy180
 Talking Banana wrote:These three caught my eye
DEATH FIELDS ARENA TERRAIN SET
SHADOKESH FERALS/WARRIORS
DEATH FIELDS N'GLONHGK
Terrain could either be very useful or unimaginative and repetitive. I've had my eye on the Shadokesh for a long time but had basically given up on them ever getting made. Finally, I have no idea what N'Glonhgk are, but they sound non-human, possibly Lovecraftian by way of Ramsey Campbell (is it a take on Y'Golonyac?,) so I'm interested to find out.
Death fields terrain is something I can get behind
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Post by: RustyNumber
A reasonably priced grimdark scatter set (32mm tank traps, sandbags, barrels, crates, power cells etc) would be lovely. An actual value-for-money take on that ancient 40k scatter set.
And I say that as someone who can theoretically print as many of those as I like in fdm.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The N'Ghlonk are the Deathfields frogmen that are going plastic having first been digital (digital version pictured below)
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Post by: lord_blackfang
This timeline may have the plague, murder hornets, full blown fascism, and a housing crisis, but we have plastic power armoured frogmen going for us so that's nice.
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Post by: SU-152
Andy continues to refine the rules and there has been a lot of playtesting behind the scenes here
Any hints of the mechanics of the game?
Wow ogres coming!!!
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Post by: Brickfix
Have to say I'm really excited for the frog men. Alternative aliens are great for a lot of different settings. Was already considering getting some 3D printed of these but I shall patiently wait for the plastic goodness.
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Post by: Alpharius
 lord_blackfang wrote:This timeline may have the plague, murder hornets, full blown fascism, and a housing crisis, but we have plastic power armoured frogmen going for us so that's nice.
You've summed up 2025 to date nicely there - and yes, thank goodness for Power Armored Frogmen!
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Post by: Gallahad
I recently found the Werewolves on discount and bought a box. They really could have been great if they weren’t so small.
It is a kit that mostly makes me sad at the lost potential.
I may have to try to source some alternate heads to turn them into furry ghouls or something
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Post by: Smokestack
The Satyrs are larger. Would the werewolves heads and maybe some hand and feet swaps work on the satyr bodies?
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Post by: KidCthulhu
Honestly, I like the werewolves a lot. They don't have to be super huge, but a smidge larger would have been nice:
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Post by: Gallahad
Smokestack wrote:The Satyrs are larger. Would the werewolves heads and maybe some hand and feet swaps work on the satyr bodies?
I appreciate the idea, but they probably wouldn't look very good. Werewolf heads are a "behind the jaw" cut style head, while the Satyr are a horizontal plane cut across the neck, which isn't impossible, but the werewolf heads are very small compared to Satyr bodies. Same thing the hands and feet. The scale is just totally different.
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Post by: Easy E
Elf, Orc, and Dwarf Marathoners = Fantasy Race Villagers
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Post by: Dawnbringer
Gallahad wrote:I recently found the Werewolves on discount and bought a box. They really could have been great if they weren’t so small.
It is a kit that mostly makes me sad at the lost potential.
I may have to try to source some alternate heads to turn them into furry ghouls or something
Having seen the size of them I'm actually more inclined to get some now. I don't need a whole box of ogre sized Werewolves, but ones the same size as the 28mm historicals / Fantasy I have will be handy.
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Post by: Gallahad
 Dawnbringer wrote: Gallahad wrote:I recently found the Werewolves on discount and bought a box. They really could have been great if they weren’t so small.
It is a kit that mostly makes me sad at the lost potential.
I may have to try to source some alternate heads to turn them into furry ghouls or something
Having seen the size of them I'm actually more inclined to get some now. I don't need a whole box of ogre sized Werewolves, but ones the same size as the 28mm historicals / Fantasy I have will be handy.
Yep, historicals are definitely the target market re: scale. But be warned these wolves are in their winter uniform and are not to be used for summer campaigns. 
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Post by: Smokestack
Saw this on On the table Top:
This new set comes with ten brilliant Halfling Cavalry figures that you can customise in a variety of ways using the bits in the set. The miniatures, sculpted by Duong Thieu, have options for riding into battle with swords, lances, javelins and even jousting lances if you'd prefer to set them up for a tournament.
The set also comes with a number of different accessories and five types of heads (for eighty in total), which allow you to mix and match your Halfling Cavalry builds to make unique riders. This can also be combined with the Halfling Militia set (see below) to make mounted archers and much more.
Unboxing: Halfling Militia | Wargames Atlantic
This means that if you're looking to build warbands or armies for your Fantasy wargames with Halflings at the centre of them, you've got some good options now. Highly customisable plastic sets mean that you could create light and heavy versions of your Halfling cavalry, as well as using some of these components here to add to your foot slogging troops.
Halfling Cavalry // Wargames Atlantic
I think Gerry's Halfling-based Kings of War army just got some new recruits. I really like that the Halflings from Wargames Atlantic aren't your typical country bumpkins. Yes, a few of them are making sure they take some food into battle with them, but they are also kitted out with proper arms and armour!
Between this set and the Militia that Wargames Atlantic have in their collection, this should also allow you to branch out and introduce some character builds into the mix. Talking of options, a few more Halflings are available for 3D printing fans on Atlantic Digital. You can also get pre-printed miniatures via Strange Plastic if you prefer.
Only 10 to a box? Interesting choice.
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Post by: Smokestack
SWIFT OF HOOF, SHARP AS STEEL!
When the High Queen calls, the fastest to heed that call are the many bands of cavalrymen spread throughout the halfling communities in the Mannish kingdoms. Typically organized by a local sheriff, ealdorman, or even a band of equal sors who pledge to fight together.
This hard plastic box set allows you to build up to 10 cavalry models equipped with sword, lance, javelin, and even jousting lances along with numerous accessories and five types of heads (80 in total!) This set is fully compatible with the previously released Halfling Militia set which will allow you to create mounted bowmen and more!
Models require assembly and painting. Bases are not included.
$44.95 for 10.
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Post by: Da Boss
Okay I am definitely in the market for this! Glad they're not as heavily armoured as the infantry or at least you could paint it as leather so they might fit a little better with the Copplestone halflings which are the best available.
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Post by: mithril2098
you are getting 20 figures though. half of them are pony's
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Post by: Smokestack
True, but… the other cavalry sets are 12 riders and horses… larger riders and larger horses, at $10 cheaper… 24 models vs the 20 here by that reasoning.
Edit: I am still getting at least a box of these. But wasn't expecting that much a rise in addition to reduced model count. They still look great though.
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Post by: Not Online!!!
Gwification? Would be a shame for wargames.
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Post by: kodos
I am looking for a box for bits only to upgrade the Mantic ones with heavy armour so bits from 10 are going to enough anyway.
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Post by: Dawnbringer
Smokestack wrote:
True, but… the other cavalry sets are 12 riders and horses… larger riders and larger horses, at $10 cheaper… 24 models vs the 20 here by that reasoning.
Edit: I am still getting at least a box of these. But wasn't expecting that much a rise in addition to reduced model count. They still look great though.
I think its the number of weapon / head options one each sprue eating up the space. If they had left out the lances (though with hairfoot jousting I get why they are there) it looks like there would be enough space for a 3rd on each frame giving you 15 in a box.
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Post by: Smokestack
Yeah... If 3 riders to a sprue, I would have expected 4 sprues instead of 5. The issue here is the ponies being on the same sprue as the riders. In the other cavalry sets, the horses are on their own sprue... and also sold separately. I guess they figured ponies wont sell individually. I like my cav units in units of 6... I could still do that here with 3 boxes. Just dont really need 30 halfling cav. I suppose i can get the 3d printed set that has 3... and just have 1 extra Hafling rider...Or get a sprue of these extra from McDougals or ebay.
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Post by: Da Boss
I'm just glad they're riding ponies and not chickens or pigs or dogs. I wanted to do a unit of Halfling cavalry to go with my infantry who are very Tolkienesque and the options are all very high fantasy (and also often pretty large miniatures when you put them down on the table).
The Mantic ones have a blocky video game aesthetic I can't get on with.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 Da Boss wrote:I'm just glad they're riding ponies and not chickens or pigs or dogs. I wanted to do a unit of Halfling cavalry to go with my infantry who are very Tolkienesque and the options are all very high fantasy (and also often pretty large miniatures when you put them down on the table).
The Mantic ones have a blocky video game aesthetic I can't get on with.
Funny I was going to say the opposite, short guys on small horses doesn't seem that interesting.
I'm not the market either way but a pony, dog, pig sprue would have made me smile.
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Post by: ZergSmasher
I'd love some Halflings that looked a bit more like an ad-hoc militia instead of like actual soldiers. Don't get me wrong, the WGA Halfling Infantry and these new Cavalry are neat, but I'd like a cheaper option than the GW Hobbit Militia if I wanted to try out a Shire list for MESBG, and in that story most Hobbits hadn't even seen a sword or armor before, much less worn it into battle. Hence why the WGA guys are unsuitable for that.
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Post by: Smokestack
Now I am kind of hoping we get an army box, like they did with the Skellies. I could use more infantry and if there is a good deal with Infantry, cav and maybe a new hero (even if its the 3d printed one they have, i would jump on that.
The infantry are such a great deal though... 40 troops per box for $34.95.
Oh... and...
PRE-ORDER! IN TOOLING NOW! ESTIMATED RELEASE DATE HALLOWEEN.
THE ANGEL MORONI CALLS YOU TO BATTLE!
The Trench Missionaries are a faith-driven warband and are compatible for use in the world of Trench Crusade. Designed to proxy as New Antioch, these Mormon-inspired miniatures bring unique character and narrative depth to your tabletop battles. Each model captures the grim resolve of warriors who march into no man’s land armed with relics, rifles, and obedience with exactness. Perfect for collectors, painters, and gamers alike, the Trench Missionaries add a striking and thematic force to any army.
This box set includes one each of:
Trench Bishop
High Priest
Patriarch
Trench Warden
Trench Deacon
Trench Missionary
Sentinel
The box set includes three unique frames to build seven 32mm models.
Models require assembly and painting. Bases are not included. Box art placeholder - final box design to come.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
Ninja'd by Smokestack 
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Darn double ninja'd
https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/trench-missionaries
Looks like there's some weapon choices in the kit. Still just 7 models for $45 is well GW prices.
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Post by: privateer4hire
Ayep. The licensed stuff shows just how affordable the non IP kits really are.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Trench Crusade doesn't look licensed to me?
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Post by: Gomezaddams
Why is everything Trench Crusade two to three times the price it needs to be, and why is the community lapping it up?
Consistantly for years, the arguments always been "This new thing is better value, and better quality, then GW" - Mantic, Warlord, even WA. Price has always been a massive factor... until Trench crusade.
That guy in the top left? He's £5.71. A Primaris Intercessor? £3.90.. after the price rise. And I just don't understand it. Its not the models themselves because objectively these are pretty mediocre. Its that its a struggling team trying to scrape money together... baffles me
The one good thing about this is that it encouraged me to go look at the Malifaux range to see if theres suitable figures there - there are, there cheaper, and there much more interesting
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Post by: Monkeysloth
it's even crazier as this is basically a joke army. Guys in collared shirts and ties with pauldrons? I don't think they're selling many of these.
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Post by: privateer4hire
My error and bad terminology of mine. When a non Wargames Atlantic party is partnered with WGA, such as the folks doing Space Nam, it seems like the prices are higher than a pure WGA box.
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Post by: Smokestack
Looks like that is just their new price point, as the Halfling cavalry is the same price and is not a partnership.
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Post by: Da Boss
Trench Crusade seemed to be the bandwagon a few months ago but the wagon is long gone now I feel.
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Post by: Porsenna
Anyone know when the squamata legionaries are getting released?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
no date but they're being photographed for box design at the moment
https://wargamesatlantic.com/pages/release-schedule
this is the page to keep an eye on
Automatically Appended Next Post: Apparently one of the reasons for the cost of the 'Trench Crusade' box is that the minis are on 3 different frames so more design and tooling costs
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Post by: RedSarge
Those Trench Crusade models are literally Mormon Missionaries.. in Trench Crusade. I'm familiar with the clothing.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 RedSarge wrote:Those Trench Crusade models are literally Mormon Missionaries.. in Trench Crusade. I'm familiar with the clothing.
Y'know once you see it...
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Post by: Dolnikan
I don't really get Trench Crusade. In a way, it feels like the new Turnip28, only it burst onto the scene much more quickly with far more products made specifically for it. But I don't actually know anyone who has played the game, so I have no clue if it's any good.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Agreed, but they are using "Trench Crusade" in their marketing which either means its licensed or they dont understood the absolute most basic level of how IP works.
 Gomezaddams wrote:Why is everything Trench Crusade two to three times the price it needs to be, and why is the community lapping it up?
Consistantly for years, the arguments always been "This new thing is better value, and better quality, then GW" - Mantic, Warlord, even WA. Price has always been a massive factor... until Trench crusade.
That guy in the top left? He's £5.71. A Primaris Intercessor? £3.90.. after the price rise. And I just don't understand it. Its not the models themselves because objectively these are pretty mediocre. Its that its a struggling team trying to scrape money together... baffles me
The one good thing about this is that it encouraged me to go look at the Malifaux range to see if theres suitable figures there - there are, there cheaper, and there much more interesting
Assuming we are talking about licensed trench crusade stuff - because licensing fees.
 Monkeysloth wrote:it's even crazier as this is basically a joke army. Guys in collared shirts and ties with pauldrons? I don't think they're selling many of these.
It does look like general gak to me, IMO, but I think that was maybe intended to be some sort of a priestly/missionary collar or something?
 Dolnikan wrote:I don't really get Trench Crusade. In a way, it feels like the new Turnip28, only it burst onto the scene much more quickly with far more products made specifically for it. But I don't actually know anyone who has played the game, so I have no clue if it's any good.
Pretty much.
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Post by: Jack Flask
chaos0xomega wrote:
Agreed, but they are using "Trench Crusade" in their marketing which either means its licensed or they dont understood the absolute most basic level of how IP works.
They aren't using Trench Crusade in any official capacity in their marketing though? There are no statements that it's an officially licensed TC product and it's not using any registered TC logos.
The only reference on the official sales page is "compatible with Trench Crusade", which is the same legally allowable statement that most 3rd part 40k compatible bits sellers use.
chaos0xomega wrote: Gomezaddams wrote:Why is everything Trench Crusade two to three times the price it needs to be, and why is the community lapping it up?
Consistantly for years, the arguments always been "This new thing is better value, and better quality, then GW" - Mantic, Warlord, even WA. Price has always been a massive factor... until Trench crusade.
That guy in the top left? He's £5.71. A Primaris Intercessor? £3.90.. after the price rise. And I just don't understand it. Its not the models themselves because objectively these are pretty mediocre. Its that its a struggling team trying to scrape money together... baffles me
The one good thing about this is that it encouraged me to go look at the Malifaux range to see if theres suitable figures there - there are, there cheaper, and there much more interesting
Assuming we are talking about licensed trench crusade stuff - because licensing fees.
You're right that it's licensed, but not by Trench Crusade. It even shows on the image that it's an official partnered project with Dave from Miniwargamer.
Which makes the Morman Missionaries thing slightly surprising because iirc, Miniwargaming Matt is Mormon but Dave isn't... so it's interesting that Matt isn't the one commissioning it.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
You cant actually legally claim compatability with something you do not own the rights to without permission (ie license) to do so. TC has reserved the right to refer to somwthing as being compatible to only those projects and products which they have reviewed as meeting their community guidelines and standards under the terms of theor third party license.
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Post by: Billicus
That £40 for 7 miniatures box is staggeringly unappealing. And I've bought a LOT of WGA kits.
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Post by: Jack Flask
chaos0xomega wrote:You cant actually legally claim compatability with something you do not own the rights to without permission (ie license) to do so. TC has reserved the right to refer to somwthing as being compatible to only those projects and products which they have reviewed as meeting their community guidelines and standards under the terms of theor third party license.
OEM printer ink, 3rd party video game peripherals, knock-off Warhammer bits, cell phone cases,... There is an enormous variety of products that have compatibility statements that are clearly not licensed and are fine by virtue of not claiming to be official.
TC can write whatever they want in their community licensing statement and it doesn't actually grant them any special authority, they would have to take WGA to court to try and assert either brand damage or unfair use.
That said, it doesn't mean that WGA or MWG didn't get permission from TC first before launching this product, but just getting permission (even if it's called a "community license") is not even close to the same meaning as an actual licensed product.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Yep based on Dave's experience as a missionary. Wow. Not sure if this makes me want them more.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/671660186646469/
Backstory:
I wanted to make some miniatures based on my real life experience as a missionary. It was deeply cathartic to come up with the concept, sketch out the design, and draw this character. One of the best things I love about Trench Crusade is how it has opened up discourse on things normally considered taboo to discuss over the tabletop. I’ve learned so much from various wargamers and the variety of faith backgrounds by involving myself in this game. I have massive appreciation for the creators of TC for this.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I have a number of Mormon family members who are also into DND. I wonder if this will appeal to them or put them off.
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Post by: JimmyWolf87
Stuff that is considered an 'official' partner to the main Trench Crusade stuff (ala Red Brigade) tends to get its own rules, lore etc. Doesn't look to be the case for these (especially considering Mormonism isn't likely to exist in any capacity in the TC setting). Can't really fault the guy's passion but these are pretty rubbish all things considered. A couple of the helmets are nice I guess?
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Post by: legionaires
Billicus wrote:That £40 for 7 miniatures box is staggeringly unappealing. And I've bought a LOT of WGA kits.
I'm guessing some of the price difference is that these are 32mm kits. Unfortunately there is just enough off with this kit (like the ties) that this will be a pass.
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Post by: Eilif
Smokestack wrote:Saw this on On the table Top:
This new set comes with ten brilliant Halfling Cavalry figures that you can customise in a variety of ways using the bits in the set. The miniatures, sculpted by Duong Thieu, have options for riding into battle with swords, lances, javelins and even jousting lances if you'd prefer to set them up for a tournament.
The set also comes with a number of different accessories and five types of heads (for eighty in total), which allow you to mix and match your Halfling Cavalry builds to make unique riders. This can also be combined with the Halfling Militia set (see below) to make mounted archers and much more.
Unboxing: Halfling Militia | Wargames Atlantic
This means that if you're looking to build warbands or armies for your Fantasy wargames with Halflings at the centre of them, you've got some good options now. Highly customisable plastic sets mean that you could create light and heavy versions of your Halfling cavalry, as well as using some of these components here to add to your foot slogging troops.
Halfling Cavalry // Wargames Atlantic
I think Gerry's Halfling-based Kings of War army just got some new recruits. I really like that the Halflings from Wargames Atlantic aren't your typical country bumpkins. Yes, a few of them are making sure they take some food into battle with them, but they are also kitted out with proper arms and armour!
Between this set and the Militia that Wargames Atlantic have in their collection, this should also allow you to branch out and introduce some character builds into the mix. Talking of options, a few more Halflings are available for 3D printing fans on Atlantic Digital. You can also get pre-printed miniatures via Strange Plastic if you prefer.
Only 10 to a box? Interesting choice.
This is a very good set. 10 is less than the 12 of previous sets and the price does seem to have gone up, but it looks like WGA is answering the problem of previous sets which didn't allow for uniformly arming your units. Also, most games operate in units of 5 so it's not a bad thing I think.
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Da Boss wrote:Trench Crusade seemed to be the bandwagon a few months ago but the wagon is long gone now I feel.
I don't know that this is true. Folks still seem interested. My club was playing it just last week. It's been a slow burn for a couple years that may have hit a height this summer, but it seems to have alot of life (or more accurately "death") ahead of it.
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Yep based on Dave's experience as a missionary. Wow. Not sure if this makes me want them more.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/671660186646469/
Backstory:
I wanted to make some miniatures based on my real life experience as a missionary. It was deeply cathartic to come up with the concept, sketch out the design, and draw this character. One of the best things I love about Trench Crusade is how it has opened up discourse on things normally considered taboo to discuss over the tabletop. I’ve learned so much from various wargamers and the variety of faith backgrounds by involving myself in this game. I have massive appreciation for the creators of TC for this.
I find this fascinating. I wouldn't have thought Trench Crusade would open up religious dialogue. That's certainly a good thing but still doesn't make me want the game (just too dark for me) or specifically this kit because...
Billicus wrote:That £40 for 7 miniatures box is staggeringly unappealing. And I've bought a LOT of WGA kits.
I assumed the box made a couple of these warbands, but I just realized it's just 7 figs.
No thanks.
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Post by: Monkeysloth
 legionaires wrote:Billicus wrote:That £40 for 7 miniatures box is staggeringly unappealing. And I've bought a LOT of WGA kits.
I'm guessing some of the price difference is that these are 32mm kits. Unfortunately there is just enough off with this kit (like the ties) that this will be a pass.
Modiphius charges $55 for 10 plastic 32mm fallout minis with 2 being power armor and that includes the Bethesda tax and tarrifs so this kit is surprisingly expensive at $8 cheaper for slightly less stuff that's also less detailed (cheaper molds).
WGA kits never seam to be that discounted.online either while those $55 fallout kits I'll be able to buy for $35-40 easily if I'm a bit patient.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Hm, I would say the reverse is true in the EU.
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Post by: Sacredroach
Looking at those minis...I suddenly got extremely "Paint Your Wagon" vibes from the helmetless guys. Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood...all we need is a Jean Seberg to round out the reverse-Mormon theme.
Hmmm....
And if you have not seen Paint Your Wagon, it is hilarious AND Lee Marvin sings.
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Post by: McDougall Designs
Monkeysloth wrote: legionaires wrote:
WGA kits never seam to be that discounted.online either while those $55 fallout kits I'll be able to buy for $35-40 easily if I'm a bit patient.
Not True.
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Post by: Monkeysloth
What's not true? You sell wga for MSRP, so no discounts, so my statement that WGA stuff isn't discontinued much online seams to be accurate.
As for what I buy Modiphius plastic kits for it's very much true as I own most of the fallout line from them and I have bought plastic kits of theirs for between 40-60% off MSRP.
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Post by: mithril2098
the only places that sell for MSRP that i've found are amazon and other such mainstream sellers. most of the smaller sellers seem to discount by at least $5.
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Post by: Smokestack
Wonder if this head from the digital set made it on the sprue. I can quite tell looking at the sprue as there seems to be two heads at a different angle on the sprue.
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Post by: McDougall Designs
Monkeysloth wrote:
What's not true? You sell wga for MSRP, so no discounts, so my statement that WGA stuff isn't discontinued much online seams to be accurate.
As for what I buy Modiphius plastic kits for it's very much true as I own most of the fallout line from them and I have bought plastic kits of theirs for between 40-60% off MSRP.
I sell full box items at a 15% discount. It's automatic at checkout. As is written in several different places on my website.
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
Monkeysloth wrote: legionaires wrote:Billicus wrote:That £40 for 7 miniatures box is staggeringly unappealing. And I've bought a LOT of WGA kits.
I'm guessing some of the price difference is that these are 32mm kits. Unfortunately there is just enough off with this kit (like the ties) that this will be a pass.
Modiphius charges $55 for 10 plastic 32mm fallout minis with 2 being power armor and that includes the Bethesda tax and tarrifs so this kit is surprisingly expensive at $8 cheaper for slightly less stuff that's also less detailed (cheaper molds).
WGA kits never seam to be that discounted.online either while those $55 fallout kits I'll be able to buy for $35-40 easily if I'm a bit patient.
"Cheaper molds" LOL. Gee, I wonder who makes the Modiphius plastics?
Well, anyway, two Quar "tractors" and the Operators modern boys are up on pre-order now. And posted up some other updates on various stuff:
https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/grab-bag-of-updates
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Post by: Smokestack
The Damned
Fulfillment is about to start up for the US while the last mold is en route to the UK and we're organizing the injection schedule over there. For those who missed out, once we get into fulfillment we'll have our first Damned products available for pre-order including a lovely little army box with a great mix of frames along with the Mauler! Damned backers should transition to following along at our Release Schedule page and here in our articles as we wrap up the project on Gamefound.
From the New and articles update titled "Grab bag of Updates"
From the same article.
A New-ish Way to Design Our Figures
When I first started Atlantic I used a variety of freelancers to sculpt our models (many of who became full time employees with us). As such we never really settled on a "house style". By this I mean a system whereby all the historical models were the same proportions and generally designed in a similar way. Working with Rob Macfarlane and Thieu Duong and the team over the last few weeks we've put in place the foundation of our house style going forward. We've just started the first plastic sets that will incorporate these elements and consistency and I'm looking forward to telling you more about it. I'll try to do so in the next few weeks once we have some good examples of the new figures and I can put together something a bit more visual. I think the kitbashers out there will especially like what we're up to!
New Sets in the Works
Lots of new ones in the works right now with additions being made to the Decline and Fall range, Blood Oaths, Renaissance, the World Ablaze WW2 range, Classic Fantasy, First Empires, Age of Reason, and more. Our goal in 2026 is to start significantly fleshing out the older ranges while we continue to support the Quar game, Barons' War, Classic Fantasy Battles, and Death Fields Arena. I'm hopeful that once these US Customs issues are behind us we'll be able to really ramp things up.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The Damned shippping began this morning in the USA
The US pledges have begun shipping.
I am delighted to let you know that we have begun shipping out all of the US pledges.
You should receive an email with tracking once your pledge has been packed and booked in with the shipping company.
We hope that you enjoy your models when they arrive and can’t wait to see customised and painted Damned models on your gaming tables!
Production has begun in the UK now and as soon as it is all complete I will be back with another update to confirm shipping for the rest of the World.
and apparently an army box is planned to be the first general release when it (and the rest of the world shipping) is done
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Post by: Monkeysloth
 Wargames Atlantic wrote: Monkeysloth wrote: legionaires wrote:Billicus wrote:That £40 for 7 miniatures box is staggeringly unappealing. And I've bought a LOT of WGA kits.
I'm guessing some of the price difference is that these are 32mm kits. Unfortunately there is just enough off with this kit (like the ties) that this will be a pass.
Modiphius charges $55 for 10 plastic 32mm fallout minis with 2 being power armor and that includes the Bethesda tax and tarrifs so this kit is surprisingly expensive at $8 cheaper for slightly less stuff that's also less detailed (cheaper molds). WGA kits never seam to be that discounted.online either while those $55 fallout kits I'll be able to buy for $35-40 easily if I'm a bit patient.
"Cheaper molds" LOL. Gee, I wonder who makes the Modiphius plastics?
I mean I'm glad. I was one of the people calling out for Modiphius to use WGA last year because you have your act together and their Chinese partners really didn't (plus working with people that have production in the same country has to be all around easier). But molds for them have been more expensive as the details they've been putting in their plastics (near resin levels) has caused them massive delays and reworks/iteration on the mold to get something that works and that adds up to be quite expensive in the long run. To that effect they're moving away from that level of detail so it doesn't take 2 year to get a single mold done. And yet their still cheaper then this not trech crusade kit for what someone would be getting figure and options wise. I like your kits and will keep getting them but that doesn't mean an absurdly stupid price point compared to ... Yourself is something to not be commented on. Your LOL is kind of embarssing there and more or less a self own. Automatically Appended Next Post:  McDougall Designs wrote: Monkeysloth wrote: What's not true? You sell wga for MSRP, so no discounts, so my statement that WGA stuff isn't discontinued much online seams to be accurate. As for what I buy Modiphius plastic kits for it's very much true as I own most of the fallout line from them and I have bought plastic kits of theirs for between 40-60% off MSRP.
I sell full box items at a 15% discount. It's automatic at checkout. As is written in several different places on my website.
Fair enough on your prices. I was on mobile and saw no sign of any discounts when looking through your store.
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Post by: RustyNumber
Are the halflings "true size" like the existing ones they do? Compared to the mantic ones that are really dwarf sized.
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
Monkeysloth wrote: Wargames Atlantic wrote: Monkeysloth wrote: legionaires wrote:Billicus wrote:That £40 for 7 miniatures box is staggeringly unappealing. And I've bought a LOT of WGA kits.
I'm guessing some of the price difference is that these are 32mm kits. Unfortunately there is just enough off with this kit (like the ties) that this will be a pass.
Modiphius charges $55 for 10 plastic 32mm fallout minis with 2 being power armor and that includes the Bethesda tax and tarrifs so this kit is surprisingly expensive at $8 cheaper for slightly less stuff that's also less detailed (cheaper molds).
WGA kits never seam to be that discounted.online either while those $55 fallout kits I'll be able to buy for $35-40 easily if I'm a bit patient.
"Cheaper molds" LOL. Gee, I wonder who makes the Modiphius plastics?
I mean I'm glad. I was one of the people calling out for Modiphius to use WGA last year because you have your act together and their Chinese partners really didn't (plus working with people that have production in the same country has to be all around easier).
But molds for them have been more expensive as the details they've been putting in their plastics (near resin levels) has caused them massive delays and reworks/iteration on the mold to get something that works and that adds up to be quite expensive in the long run. To that effect they're moving away from that level of detail so it doesn't take 2 year to get a single mold done.
And yet their still cheaper then this not trech crusade kit for what someone would be getting figure and options wise. I like your kits and will keep getting them but that doesn't mean an absurdly stupid price point compared to ... Yourself is something to not be commented on. Your LOL is kind of embarssing there and more or less a self own.
Is it? I always enjoy reading things like this. So many folks think they know how all this works but they really don't. Most of the companies not actually doing their own manufacturing don't know how most of it works to be fair and say some "interesting" things about tooling and production. And there are also a whole lot of companies that do know how it works and scatters a bunch of disinformation around. Anyway, whatevs.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
 RustyNumber wrote:Are the halflings "true size" like the existing ones they do? Compared to the mantic ones that are really dwarf sized.
I'm pretty sure the mounted ones are the same scale as the foot ones, as the product description states pieces from both sets can be kitbashed together. Eventually I'll buy some and confirm but I don't have any yet.
EDIT:
This hard plastic box set allows you to build up to 10 cavalry models equipped with sword, lance, javelin, and even jousting lances along with numerous accessories and five types of heads (80 in total!) This set is fully compatible with the previously released Halfling Militia set which will allow you to create mounted bowmen and more!
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Post by: KidCthulhu
Just got an email about new Quar tanks...
https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/coftyran-chyweethl-tractor
https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/crusader-ailthean-tractor
I'm not sure how big these are, but they come one to a box for about $45USD. I'd like to see them side by side with the Fidwog Infantry set that comes with six twelve guys and two smaller tractor tanks for $10 cheaper...
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Post by: Eilif
RustyNumber wrote:Are the halflings "true size" like the existing ones they do? Compared to the mantic ones that are really dwarf sized.
WGA has suggested that they're compatible with the haflings.
If you'd like to see them alongside other Halflings I did a review a while back.
https://www.chicagoskirmishwargames.com/blog/2022/09/cheap-sprue-review-wga-halfling-militia-and-a-classic-hobbits-roundup/
They're a good size, but they don't size up terribly well with any other lines. They're closest to LOTR, for which they would probably work in the same army if kept in their own units.
And yes, the Mantic ones are crazy big. Really silly that Mantic launched a whole line of Halflings and couldn't even get the size right.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
I also took a halfling comparison photo a while back, but for a different model line:
The unpainted ones are Midlam, then left to right is Reaper, Scotia Grendel, Oldhammer GW, and then finally WGA.
I think they're great and mix well with my collection.
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Post by: Eilif
 KidCthulhu wrote:I also took a halfling comparison photo a while back, but for a different model line:
The unpainted ones are Midlam, then left to right is Reaper, Scotia Grendel, Oldhammer GW, and then finally WGA.
I think they're great and mix well with my collection.
That's a great shot! A bunch of lines I didn't have in my review and your selections are a much better match size-wise. Thanks for posting it!
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Post by: Racerguy180
Just got my damned Damned are preparing for shipping.
Im so damned excited I might have damned myself in the process.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Damn, I would love to have mine...
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Post by: legionaires
I got a notice as well. Curious to see how a kitbashed Quar tank would fit into the Damned
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Post by: ScarletRose
legionaires wrote:I got a notice as well. Curious to see how a kitbashed Quar tank would fit into the Damned
My thoughts exactly. The second tank shown in the thread looks like a good option since that track layout is similar to some digging/construction machines, so it could easily be one of those built in the field technicals made by Chaos worshippers.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
The obvious MBT choice is the Archon Wolverine tho
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Post by: Eilif
Not a bad choice, but I've never been wild about the Wolverine. I think for Quar or for the Damned you want something a bit different., if you're leaning toward 40k aesthetics the longer body and more rounded track aesthetic could help set it apart from more contemporary designs. Dr Spork's 28/30mm renditions of classic Epic 40k tanks fit the bill a bit better I think. More Char, less, Leman.
https://cults3d.com/en/design-collections/Doctor-Spork/sci-fi-vehicles
Taking a different tack, for non-damned quar, the ultimate for quar might be the OOP Akuyaku 1 GO (Bad Guy #1) Kit.
https://www.hlj.com/1-72-scale-bad-guy-akuyaku-1-go-all-crew-set-w-20-pig-crew-figures-tactg-2
Technically it's 1/72, but it's more than large enough for 28mm, espeically with a couple hatch swaps.
Lastly, if you want to embrace the towered Quar architecture aesthetic, the Warmachine "Hammerfall Siege Crawler" is pretty cool.
Technically OOP, but not hard to find at reasonable prices.
I have both of the above kits, but they're not built as-yet. The Crawler was bought with Quar in mind, but I'm undecided whether the Akuyaku would be better for Quar or Squats.
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Post by: Piousservant
Racerguy180 wrote:Just got my damned Damned are preparing for shipping.
Im so damned excited I might have damned myself in the process.
Exciting! Make sure to share some pics when they arrive, those of us in Europe can at least live vicariously through those for now... 
Though not entirely sure what I'm going to do with mine when they eventually arrive, as the project I originally had in mind has been somewhat overtaken by events (new 30k edition), ah well.
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Post by: Racerguy180
Mine were for 30k but since 3rd dropped im done playing "new" games. Now I'll just play oldhammer where they'll fight on in Slannesh's name.
I will totally post pictures of the heapin' pile o' sprues and their constituent minis as soon as I get 'em.
Looking forward to getting this Emperor's Children project fully underway.
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Post by: Eilif
The army I purchased them for (Additions to my IG force, now used in Grimdark Future) is still present and in use, but I'm realizing that I never am able to field that force (Several thousand points) in it's entirety, so should I really be adding to it?
Still going to hold onto the Damned stuff though as my army doesn't presently have Artillery, Ogryns and Rough Riders (the units I got) and they would be very nice additions...
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Post by: Ohman
Haven't seen this box mentioned yet.
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Post by: Daba
These will be pretty handy for sprucing up some terrain pieces, though six coultrons is a lot.
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Post by: Geifer
That's neat. I can put a box like that to use.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
That's a sexy sexy sprue
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Post by: KidCthulhu
McDougal will do brisk business selling single sprues to folks like me who don't necessarily need 6 cauldrons
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Post by: Nicky J
KidCthulhu wrote:McDougal will do brisk business selling single sprues to folks like me who don't necessarily need 6 cauldrons
FYI the guy that designed them sells his sprues separately:
pre-order for the sorcerers spoil one:
https://sparepartsemporium.com/products/sorcerers-spoils-single-sprue
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Post by: KidCthulhu
Good to know; thanks Nicky J 
Check out the sprue pic:
Definitely gonna get me one.
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Post by: Eilif
That looks great! Where did you get the info from?
Looks like the kind of box I'd split with a couple club members.
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Post by: Ohman
 Eilif wrote:
That looks great! Where did you get the info from?
Looks like the kind of box I'd split with a couple club members.
I saw it on Pete The Wargamers Instagram. I don't check IG or FB that often but I've noticed that some companies, even GW, sometimes show new stuff there before it reaches other channels.
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Post by: SU-152
The new sprue of ogres for fantasy battles in 10mm has been seen on the internet already.
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Post by: porkuslime
Did we know about the Dead Animal Bits box that is also on the SparePartsEmporium site as well?
That one is new to me as well
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Post by: KidCthulhu
The dead animal bits is at least a year old. I think it had a KS that was mentioned on Dakka and, if I recall correctly, the reception from Dakkanauts was rather lukewarm.
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Post by: Werkrobotwerk
Are the operators similar in size to the oorah?
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
KidCthulhu wrote:The dead animal bits is at least a year old. I think it had a KS that was mentioned on Dakka and, if I recall correctly, the reception from Dakkanauts was rather lukewarm.
I pledged for this one and I have not yet received anything. Did it already come out to retail?
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Post by: Eilif
BobtheInquisitor wrote: KidCthulhu wrote:The dead animal bits is at least a year old. I think it had a KS that was mentioned on Dakka and, if I recall correctly, the reception from Dakkanauts was rather lukewarm.
I pledged for this one and I have not yet received anything. Did it already come out to retail?
Yep, I think it's been out for a while.
https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/general-accoutrements/products/dead-animal-bits
Sorry.
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Post by: pgmason
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I pledged for this one and I have not yet received anything. Did it already come out to retail?
The KS shipped in October last year. I received mine so if you didn't receive your pledge you should chase it up.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I had better check to make sure I didn’t just forget receiving it first. My memory isn’t what it used to be.
Thanks.
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Post by: Dawnbringer
Will say the new bits look alot more usable than the dead animal bits. I'm sure milage may vary but I can see this being quite useful for RPG players / those who enjoy world building bits in terrain. Especially I'd they are decently sized as I find alot of Archons similar bits (books, candles, etc) tend to be over sized.
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Post by: Not Online!!!
Has anyone a size comparison of the Rennaisance heavy cav compared to Gw's cav for the old world?
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Post by: KidCthulhu
Not Online!!! wrote:Has anyone a size comparison of the Rennaisance heavy cav compared to Gw's cav for the old world?
I can try to take a side by side photo later today. The WGA stuff is smaller as it's closer to historical model proportions. However, if your whole army is WGA, your size problem is solved
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Post by: Not Online!!!
KidCthulhu wrote:Not Online!!! wrote:Has anyone a size comparison of the Rennaisance heavy cav compared to Gw's cav for the old world?
I can try to take a side by side photo later today. The WGA stuff is smaller as it's closer to historical model proportions. However, if your whole army is WGA, your size problem is solved
Many thanks! ha, one could say i got inspired by the border princes list for tow. So i thought about mixing up pike and shotte aswell as some WGA cav to get a nice tilean /estalian army going. Also i want to atleast make this guy 
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Post by: KidCthulhu
Not Online!!! wrote: Many thanks!
ha, one could say i got inspired by the border princes list for tow. So i thought about mixing up pike and shotte aswell as some WGA cav to get a nice tilean /estalian army going.
Also i want to atleast make this guy
Does this help?
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Post by: Not Online!!!
KidCthulhu wrote:Not Online!!! wrote: Many thanks!
ha, one could say i got inspired by the border princes list for tow. So i thought about mixing up pike and shotte aswell as some WGA cav to get a nice tilean /estalian army going.
Also i want to atleast make this guy
Does this help?
Praise Be!
Now i forsee a lot of musketeers looking like the ECW and Armored pistoleers from savoy
Many thanks, whenever i can help you i will, just let me know!
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Post by: RustyNumber
Dawnbringer wrote:Will say the new bits look alot more usable than the dead animal bits. I'm sure milage may vary but I can see this being quite useful for RPG players / those who enjoy world building bits in terrain. Especially I'd they are decently sized as I find alot of Archons similar bits (books, candles, etc) tend to be over sized.
To be honest most of these accessory sprues I'd be happy to buy one or two but a full box just seems redundant for most wwargamers...
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Post by: Ancestral Hamster
RustyNumber wrote:To be honest most of these accessory sprues I'd be happy to buy one or two but a full box just seems redundant for most wwargamers...
Agreed. The Sorceror's Spoils box could be useful if one is just starting Frostgrave and have no wizard minis yet. You'd have a lot of kitbash material for minis and the terrain. The Dead Animal box I'd buy if I was kitbashing some kind of mutant or beastman army on a WHFB or Kings of War size, so 150-200 minis. Otherwise, my current needs are one Sorceror's Spoils sprue, and zero Dead Animal sprue.
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Post by: Rosebuddy
You do never know when you need to make a lot of cheesy dungeon rooms, though. Maybe you suddenly get really into Frostgrave or such. All those bubbling cauldrons could be put to great use building cursed factories. It might be wise to consider budgeting for one box.
I also realised that a large amount of bottles isn't just useful for traditional wizards and alchemists but also for hospitals and bars. Books are a normal record-keeping and information technology that's used in any number of situations. Parchment and candles are great for shrines as well as any number of 40K applications. Useful set for Necromunda.
So I think that while this appeals most immediately to the RPG crowd, you can easily make use of this for a lot of terrain-making in general.
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Post by: ingtaer
Can't say as I was expecting to read that when I woke up. Well done for being honest, this time...
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/558217.page
A link to the past for those who are not familiar.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
OK. That's interesting. A lot of stuff I never thought I'd hear about again. My only comment would be congratulations to Wargames Atlantic, they really are making quality stuff and I wish them all the best. Message below: A Note from the Founder of Wargames Atlantic - Tony Reidy/Hudson Adams I’m happy to announce that Wargames Atlantic will be refunding the backers of the Defiance Games Kickstarter from 2013. Details for backers are at the bottom of this note. You're probably asking why we are doing this: There are very few people who know the real story behind Wargames Factory and Defiance Games and Tony Reidy. To understand what I’m doing I have to explain where I came from and what I lived through. The true story is a lot different from the stuff that gets thrown around in forums. Wargames Factory I started Wargames Factory back in 2007/8 after spending years researching the industry and trying to understand how to do hard plastic figures faster and cheaper as I thought taking what GW was doing for sci-fi and fantasy and doing it for historicals would be a great business model and no one was doing it at the time. The idea was to use an all-digital process for tooling (what at the time I thought GW was doing - but realized later they hadn’t actually achieved that to the extent we thought). The reason to go the all digital route was that traditional 3-up tooling was slow and expensive (this is before the guys from Renedra were made redundant at GW and then launched their own operation - ironically Warlord, Perry, and I were all trying to do the same thing at the exact same time. I announced it earlier and Perry beat us to release and we tied Warlord). As you probably remember the first Wargames Factory products were not as sharp as we would have wanted and I later found out we were being used as guinea pigs to perfect the all-digital process. We were also plagued with delays, bad shipments, mistakes (one time a whole mold of Celt parts was made backwards - i.e. all left handed weapons!) and the quality was improving but still not on par with what Renedra was achieving. The mistakes and delays led to the business struggling and the Chinese factory owner proposed that he take an ownership investment in the company and help take it to the next level by doing the tooling at cost. He brought in two former toy industry executives to vette my business plan and tell him what we would need to make/do/etc. over the next twelve months to make it work. Like an idiot I agreed to a deal that gave him control of the company with the handshake wink-wink promise that controlling interest would revert to me as we hit certain milestones. I was young, anxious to build it, encouraged by the toy guys’ enthusiasm, and focused on the future and not protecting myself. Anyway, we signed the deal and started executing on the plan. The quality levels really jumped - the Amazons, Greeks, etc were really crisp and where we wanted to be mostly. But the factory kept having production and shipping delays. The toy guys were all over him to catch up. I was completely frustrated. We had all this great product and it wasn’t leaving China. Things came to a head and after a heated phone call he basically fired me. (Later on he dumped the toy guys, never paid them, never paid anyone, and never distributed any profits to anyone with equity. He just stole it all and rebranded his own company in China as Wargames Factory to do outsource work for other companies - several of which he screwed over later as well. In some cases he caused people to go out of business or outright stole their molds or held molds hostage effectively cutting company’s off from being able to sell product. Defiance Games After firing me he had his minions start a bad mouthing campaign against me and the team leaving out all the details about the agreement and everything else. I was devastated and I also felt a huge responsibility to the guys who were working with me so we made a plan to launch Defiance Games as quickly as possible. Of course nothing ever worked. We thought we had a US-based team to do tooling. Guys who had worked with Freeform and presented this whole plan to do tooling/injection for us at a discount so we could be a showcase of their work to get more customers. We went back and forth for months before they faded away. We eventually found people to cut the sci-fi Marine mold and although we were prepared for paying about 2x what we did in China, additional delays and flailing about led to the final pricing being over six times our old costs. We tried everything. We moved to resin production. We set up a scratch-built heated machine to spin cast plastic (we had the equivalent of Siocast before Siocast!). But everything had taken too long, nothing was working, and it was just a nightmare. I had already lost a huge amount of money with WF and Defiance was just bleeding. It was a really bad time for me mentally and I almost didn’t make it through. The Kickstarter At the time there was a small team of people that had been brought in by a guy who had been a fan of WF and then supporter of Defiance. He along with a few other people tried to help me keep it going but as nothing worked I just lost hope that anything could work. Then they came to me with a plan - they had an investor who wanted to come in with them and take it over. They wanted to run it, they had a plan to do a Kickstarter with the hardsuit and other sets, and I agreed. I just wanted the pain and the stress to end and I’d go out and get a job and pay off my debts. I signed over the bank accounts, all the websites, Facebook, passwords, etc. and ownership and said I just wanted to keep 10% and have some creative input. I figured that was it. I’d do everything I could to support them but I’d have no control and just walk away. They got going and put the Kickstarter in place, did all the promotion, and ran it and did about $46K. In retrospect I think what happened was that they thought they were going to make a lot more than that and that would allow them to do everything they wanted to do. When that didn’t happen I got a message they wanted to meet up. At the meeting they told me they were out and weren’t going to go through with taking it all over and were giving me all the control back. So there I was - debts everywhere, Kickstarter funded, and just me. I had to file for bankruptcy, the court determined which debts to pay off with what was left, and just shut everything down. Those years were the lowest point in my life. I hated everything, myself, hated anything wargaming related, and wanted nothing to do with any of it. I ended up losing hundreds of thousands of dollars. I always love reading how I “took the money and ran” - there was no money. The only guy who made any money from Wargames Factory and Defiance was the sculptor who got a regular paycheck all that time. Wargames Atlantic I got a job, paid down other debts, and tried to put it behind me. But through it all I kept up with one friend from Canada who’d been around wargaming for years. He had seen what had happened and had lived through it with me and eventually I kind of used him as a therapist going over what had happened, things I could have done differently, and all that. And in doing this I started thinking about how I could do it all better and really well and not get into any of the same situations - and the idea for Atlantic was born. Of course he thought I was insane. I knew that I couldn’t do it as Tony Reidy - there was so much garbage out there and even if almost all of it was wrong - it’s impossible to convince anyone of the truth after the bs has become the talk track. So “Hudson Adams” was born to be the face of Wargames Atlantic. But I wanted to redeem myself. I wanted to build something on my own the way I knew it should be done. I wanted someday - once the company was built up - to be able to release the Defiance stuff and make the Kickstarter whole. And so I put together a plan, spent a lot of time figuring out how to do this better, and started. I had to hide who I was to do it, and I hated doing that and not being upfront with people, but it allowed me to show who I REALLY was through what I’ve built at Atlantic. Over the years I’ve confided in key people and partners who came to know the real me and not the Internet Boogeyman I was made out to be. I’m sorry I misled you but the guy you’ve known at Wargames Atlantic - is me. This is the real me. I’m good to my team and contractors and business partners. I try to help smaller companies and boost the hobby as a whole. And I get to make fun products that people love. That’s all I ever wanted to do. Now after six years we’ve reached a place where we can finally make good on the Defiance Games Kickstarter and refund those backers. Eventually, we’d like to put the original Defiance Games products into hard plastic and release them as they should have been done, but in the meantime we want to pay back all those who supported that Kickstarter in the first place. After 12 years it’s unlikely that a lot of the card/account/contact details are the same on Kickstarter, so we are going to reach out to people a variety of ways to try to reach all the old backers. We will also be posting on the Kickstarter page once access is re-established. In the meantime, we have set up a new email address: kickstarter@wargamesatlantic.com that you can email with a screenshot of your pledge and current PayPal or bank details for a wire transfer. Alternatively, for those of you who prefer we’ll send you a voucher for our website worth 150% of the value of your pledge. So if your pledge was $65, you’ll receive a voucher for $97.50. I hope this will go a little way in righting this old failure.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Fair enough
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Post by: RustyNumber
That's a bloody incredible redemption arc!
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Post by: No_Marines_Here
TIL that Kickstarter has existed for more than 12 years.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
I KNEW IT
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Post by: lord_blackfang
This is the wildest twist in all of wargaming.
Seems I owe an apology to the few people who stood up for you back then!
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Post by: Sgt. Cortez
I find it kind of funny that in today's world the guy moved around in the wargaming hobby all the time and simply switched his name to not be recognized - and it worked! Did he grow a mustache or something?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I know! Considering the detective work I've seen applied to other companies this is kind of impressive.
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Post by: insaniak
Gotta be honest, this is not a surprising plot twist. Something about WGA always did feel like Wargames Factory.
And people were making that comparison pretty much from the start, IIRC.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
 insaniak wrote:Gotta be honest, this is not a surprising plot twist. Something about WGA always did feel like Wargames Factory.
And people were making that comparison pretty much from the start, IIRC.
Yeah, can't say I'm really surprised. I know there were some denials from WGA staff back in the day, but can't be bothered to delve into those to find out if those were lies, or just carefully worded technically true statements. Either way, enough overlap between the companies to assume something was linked, though it was unclear what.
Without full knowledge on the Wargames Factory situation, I'll largely continue the same as I have before: will buy the occasional set when it looks good. WGA's offerings are better than WFactory's, but still hit and miss for me. Generally improving though, as they have been since before WGA was a thing I suppose.
As for Reidy, while WGA is obviously more competently run than WF seems to have been, the full statement does seem a bit heavy on the fingerpointing and somewhat lacking in self reflection in places. Will take a small serving of salt as a side dish.
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Post by: GreenScorpion
To be honest I am a bit suspicious that someone who supposedly accumulated so much debt was back in the business after such a short time by getting a new job. If I was in the same situation I would likely spend my entire life working to pay for everything, but I guess the US is different.
That aside, what surprises me the most is that the reactions here and on the wargames atlantic article are mostly positive when at the beginning lots of people wanted to stay away from the company due to potential links to Reidy.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Didn't see any similarities myself apart from the desire to find a way for customers to vote for next sets, which, in the era of crowdfunds, doesn't stand out as much as it did in 2010.
What's next tho? Archon turns out to be Prodos?
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Post by: NAVARRO
Well as everything on the internet, you believe and trust at your own risk. If I received any correspondence requesting sensible details etc from something happened more than a decade ago I would send it to spam and block it.
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Post by: bbb
Interesting. I hope this all works out as well as possible for the parties involved.
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Post by: Tabletop_Magpie
Sgt. Cortez wrote:I find it kind of funny that in today's world the guy moved around in the wargaming hobby all the time and simply switched his name to not be recognized - and it worked! Did he grow a mustache or something?
Not unheard of in the industry. There's a rules writer at GW that used to wear a fake moustache and use a fake name for Guild Ball events because he wasn't supposed to be seen playing anything other than GW games.
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Post by: RedSarge
The fact that Tony/Hudson can come back from all that loss and get shafted financially. Is.. well it's inspiring.
All the best for WGA! They're making it, finally making it. In fact, Atlantic Digital seem to make too much stuff imo.
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Post by: Dawnbringer
Well, can't say I'm that suprised. I'm one that was skeptical from the start, and there were definitely others. I'm sure someone could dig up the treads at the time. IIRC the sprue similarities (rounded vs the more traditional flat sided used by GW / Renedra / Victrix I think were one thing brought up. That they orginally did casting in China was another.
It does seem they have learned a thing or two along the way amongst their failures and are now able to deliver products to customers. I've only got limited stuff from WGA, though have been considering more. This admission doesn't really change that too much for me. On the plus side they seem to be coming out and trying to make things right. On the other hand you have to realize they were lying to customers for years. And life isn't a Disney movie where redemption just happens at the end. I certainly wouldn't back any crowdfunding they did in the future, and I'm sure a few Damned backers might be reflecting how lucky they were they got their stuff. But at retail if they have things that are good and no one else does, I wouldn't say I'd avoid buying it out of principle.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
I was not aware of this controversy, but I love Wargames Atlantic products and any attempt to make up for a failed KickStarter is good in my eyes.
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Post by: SU-152
Wow, I remember the Shock Troops from WF, I had loads!!!
In my memory I used to mistake both companies as the same.
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Post by: skrulnik
So, Necromancers?
Archon/Prodos
New Wave/ CMON
Maelstrom Games/ Mierce
Are there more?
I don't have a problem with the tenacity to keep trying.
I have a problem with the obfuscation of identity.
Extremely glad I didn't contribute to the Damned crowd-funding, or Defiance back then.
Puts a damper on my desire to buy The Barons' War direct as well.
Maybe if I see it on a shelf, at discount.
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Post by: Eilif
What an excellent reveal!!
So rarely do we see someone come back and really try to make the past right. Count me impressed.
I do think Tony's story is a little self-serving in the telling and the actual apology is minimal. However, WGA has a good track record of delivery, quality and customer service. If Tony comes through with refunds for backers and continues to do good work then I personally see no reason not to welcome him back into the good graces of the wargaming community.
What I really want to know is will we someday see the "Dreamforge" Leviethan models back in production and the not-MAK egg suits finally make it into production? I love my Leviathan and I really wanted those Egg suits, but saw what was coming well-enough to not back that failure.
I wonder also if Ken of Proxie Models will be made whole or if that was more the post-Tony Defiance's responsibility.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/558217.page#6159409
insaniak wrote:Gotta be honest, this is not a surprising plot twist. Something about WGA always did feel like Wargames Factory.
And people were making that comparison pretty much from the start, IIRC.
Yeah, we had this discussion for sure, but I think maybe our conclusion was that they were simply using some of the same sculptors?
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Post by: Ragsta
Heck, maybe plastic versions of the Hudson's Bugs too?
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Post by: Da Boss
Huh, I had just sort of assumed it was the same people under a new name because so much of the style of the minis and the stuff they were interested in was the same. I didn't realise it was a secret or not well known!
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
From my memory, the first big gaming Kickstarter to grab Dakka’s attention was Sedition Wars back in 2012. What a rollercoaster.
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Post by: Sgt. Cortez
Da Boss wrote:Huh, I had just sort of assumed it was the same people under a new name because so much of the style of the minis and the stuff they were interested in was the same. I didn't realise it was a secret or not well known!
I partly, maybe unconsciously had the same impression back when they released their Goblins that fit really well to WGF Orcs, however, the official explanation was that they were based on the same Angus McBride lotr artworks.
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Post by: Gallahad
I’m pretty floored by this. I (foolishly) invested money in Defiance Games at a time when I didn’t have much. I have personal emails with Tony and was part of a small listserv thing of DG “insiders”. That money I lost in DG was a substantial amount for me at the time.
I’m glad to hear of the redemption arc, and I like to think I have moved past the initial feelings of bitterness and betrayal.
A business failing isn’t a moral failure, and I would extend Tony grace on certain things he did and ways he acted during that period. We are all human, and may not live up to our standards when the squeeze comes.
It takes a certain type of crazy to create something from nothing, and I respect anyone who can.
Coming “clean” to the community wasn’t something he had to do and is a mark in his favor.
After some time, I may go back to buying from WGA again, and wish him and all involved with WGA well.
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Post by: Eilif
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
From my memory, the first big gaming Kickstarter to grab Dakka’s attention was Sedition Wars back in 2012. What a rollercoaster.
I recall watching that from afar.
Selfishly, it did work out well for me in that while I was not a supporter, I later picked up multiple copies of the game for $25 each and made myself a rather nice reinforced platoon that has seen alot of use in my "Mech Attack" convention games:
https://www.chicagoskirmishwargames.com/blog/2016/10/maersk-tesla-corporate-platoon-complete/
The game box figs did require a bit of modification and creative assembly...
https://www.chicagoskirmishwargames.com/blog/2015/01/sedition-wars-good-deal-for-patien/
... but it was worth it when the game was that cheap.
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Post by: Gomezaddams
So, I asked this early on - I straight up asked Hudson 'are you Tony Reidy' - 'Whos that' he creid, and proceeding to get aggressively offensive for the insinuation.
But... this is about to get pretty wild - from a quote by Wargames Factory, in 2011, post Tony's departure
WEB POSTINGS AND FORUM ALLEGATIONS
There is much misinformation as well as some serious allegations being circulated throughout cyberspace regarding the current state of affairs. As the new corporate manager of Wargames Factory, at the appropriate time, I will address all of the false and inaccurate statements and allegations that are being posted on the Wargames Factory website. There are more important and pressing operational matters to deal with right now without getting distracted or involved in a “mudslinging match” with previous management. Defamatory statements made about any individuals will be taken up with legal counsel and dealt with to the fullest extent allowed by law.
Now Wargames Factory didn't disappear. Far from it. They produce all of GWs terrain... and Tonys statement isn't exactly subtle with its accusations - far better then other statements hes done over the years, but... someone really should have been a critical friend on his comms.
Setting all that aside, people have short memories. Prodos are a great example of that, Red Box seems to be another - as long as people get there toys, no one seems to actually... mind? Like I do wonder what it would take for any one/company in the industry to tank themselves so hard, that if they just kept putting out product, it wouldn't just eventually work out.
Lastly, as someone who saw it all - the 500 hundred page thread on Frothers, the back and forth from Tony, spoke about it with Wai Kee at Salute, read all the Torn Armor debacle... I'm baffled why, on a random day in October, Tony suddenly decided to come clean. That to me, is the weirdest part of all this.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
The obvious theory would be that someone was about to expose him.
Anyway, even if you believe everything bad ever said about Tony, he would still be more ethical than most of your sources of food, tech and entertainment, so not sure why the desire for moral indignation.
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Also aren't you a stringent defender of Hasslefree lol
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Post by: Kalamadea
"Somehow, Palpatine Tony Reidy returned" was not on my 2025 Bingo card. I guess it's cool to try and clear his name now that WGA has a few solid years of producing and delivering excellent kits, but what a wierd way to go about it. I was never directly affected by the Hardsuit KS mess since I didn't care for the design, but it was impossible to miss the drama at the time. It's downright quaint looking back now, a failed $46K kickstarter compared to what would come with Robotech and Confrontation and Heroquest/Tsuequest and Dust and Fantasy Series 2. Now Mythic and possibly CMON. But I wouldn't blame people for still being upset over Defiance, it was the first real KS crapshow and nobody involved looked good.
I've liked every WGA kit I've bought so far and just ordered some Mounted Serjeants, that's what ultimately matters most to me (and I'm very aware of how selfish that is). As long as they continue to produce quality kits then I'll continue buy them. At retail, that is, hopefully [**edit** - I am dumb and completely forgot that WGA did indeed to a giant kickstarter, ignore this **edit**]
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Post by: Smokestack
 Kalamadea wrote:"Somehow, Palpatine ... At retail, that is, hopefully WGA is smart enough to never do a kickstarter. Tony has revealed that he can run a successful model company, but I would never trust him with a crowdfund no matter how well WGA does.
They did though. Well, a gamefound... My order still says "preparing to ship".
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Post by: ScarletRose
Smokestack wrote: Kalamadea wrote:"Somehow, Palpatine ... At retail, that is, hopefully WGA is smart enough to never do a kickstarter. Tony has revealed that he can run a successful model company, but I would never trust him with a crowdfund no matter how well WGA does.
They did though. Well, a gamefound... My order still says "preparing to ship".
Yeah same. I appreciate someone having the ethics to make the old backers whole, but this (along with the massive delays) does shake my confidence in actually receiving everything.
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Post by: Gomezaddams
Also aren't you a stringent defender of Hasslefree lol
As I said last time someone said that - not really. My post histories right there. I've tried to offer perspective - not support.
Anyway, even if you believe everything bad ever said about Tony, he would still be more ethical than most of your sources of food, tech and entertainment, so not sure why the desire for moral indignation.
And if I believe anything Tony said, everything that went wrong was entirely the fault of others...
I see your point, but an informed customer can make choices if they want to. Personally I don't buy from a number of miniatures companies for various reasons (Archon, Red Box, Dreamforge), others probably feel the same around Hasslefree. I wish people were more vocal and clear to help inform others.
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Post by: Kalamadea
Oh crap, I know they are doing models for other companies doing KS, but somehow I completely forgot the Damned kickstarter that is still in process. Much like the Hardsuits, they didn't tickle my fancy and I've mentally skipped over any Damned updates, but yeesh, he really should have waited until AFTER the Damned started shipping to do the big reveal
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Post by: RustyNumber
 NAVARRO wrote:If I received any correspondence requesting sensible details etc from something happened more than a decade ago I would send it to spam and block it.
A five second search would turn up the WGA article and confirm it as legit.
Gomezaddams wrote:
And if I believe anything Tony said, everything that went wrong was entirely the fault of others...
"Like an idiot I agreed to a deal that gave him control of the company with the handshake wink-wink promise that controlling interest would revert to me as we hit certain milestones. I was young, anxious to build it, encouraged by the toy guys’ enthusiasm, and focused on the future and not protecting myself."
Sounds like owning some responsibility right there.
I've worked with a bloke who got in early with manufacturing a unique product, trying to get production set up in China and having the exact same rug-pull resulting in his innovation being flat out taken over. So it's a real thing that sucks, shows you have to be *really* careful when setting up overseas. I'm sure there's probably entire businesses that exist and make money just by connecting anglo businesses with reputable producers in China for a cost.
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Post by: Porsenna
I find his story pretty believable, but then I'm sitting in a place that might have some bias with Chinese companies...
But honestly, I'm fine with it - it seems he's finally been able to achieve a good, profitable business and can go back, right some of his wrongs and really clear his name of some of the shade that accumulated around it due to past events.
I mean, once that wrong -whatever the reason why- has been done, can anyone really want for more than that?*
*Well I for one want squamata legionaries and a Trojan chariot, but that's beside the point really, as I'm not in any of those other camps.
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Post by: SU-152
WGA is the only producer of 10mm plastic miniatures (and if GW's BoFA never existed all that time ago, WGA would be the only EVER producer).They got me there. So I do not care who's behind all.
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Post by: Gomezaddams
"Like an idiot I agreed to a deal that gave him control of the company with the handshake wink-wink promise that controlling interest would revert to me as we hit certain milestones. I was young, anxious to build it, encouraged by the toy guys’ enthusiasm, and focused on the future and not protecting myself."
Sounds like owning some responsibility right there.
Except thats Tonys perspective.
At the time, Wai Kee put out his own statement. In a nutshell, the company had racked up significant debts to him, so in exchange for writing those off he would take a 51% stake in the company (including all the IP). In exchange, he would cover all the companies outstanding debts that were disclosed, and any that weren't would fall to Tony. Apparantly there were a lot more of these then had been admitted to, including one to an organisation called Triangle in Boston for around $5k. From what I can make out and remember from the time, they hired disabled employees to pack goods to develop employability skills.
So I think the question is - why would you sign over a controlling stake in your company in the vague notion you'd get it back - why would someone take on your debts, sort your business out, and then just... hand it back?
And thats without even touching any of the Defiance Games stuff because oh boy, is there layers to that onion. So many layers. I mean all the sign offs by the 'new team' were by Max so... is that Max McDougall? Because that'd be a great plot twist.
Setting all that aside - as I said, Wargames Factory haven't been idle. They entered into a partnership with Warlord to sell all the old kits, they produce Kingdom Death, Malifaux (although that may have changed), and all of GW's terrain. I think the accusations about quality being a manufacturing fault are laughable (especially given the quality of a lot of the home grown WGA kits isn't exactly top tier...). And if they do still hold all the IP, Defiance Games IP would have been lost similar to what happened with Secret Weapon... what and how is Tony planning to produce anything. And more importantly.. why bother?
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Post by: lord_blackfang
What do you mean, why bother? Even non gamers go nuts for those not-machinen-krieger eggsuits.
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Post by: NAVARRO
RustyNumber wrote: NAVARRO wrote:If I received any correspondence requesting sensible details etc from something happened more than a decade ago I would send it to spam and block it.
A five second search would turn up the WGA article and confirm it as legit.
.
Yes and that would then take to read the wall of copy from Tony skewed views... and just because after a decade of deception later he seen the light I should just believe him blindly correct?
You trust whatever you want online, like I said in the opening of my post.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Ultimately, unless you* actually lost money and hold a grudge (totally valid), what does it matter what Tony was before? WGA is a successful, reliable company with a hundred tools under their belt, doing uniquely zany things like shipping tools back and forth across the ocean so they can sell on both sides without tariffs. There's no danger they'll run to the Maldives with another 45k of undelivered kickstarter money. Unless you were personally harmed, you're deep in the drama for the sake of drama territory.
*general you, not NAVARRO
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Post by: NAVARRO
lord_blackfang wrote:Ultimately, unless you* actually lost money and hold a grudge (totally valid), what does it matter what Tony was before? WGA is a successful, reliable company with a hundred tools under their belt, doing uniquely zany things like shipping tools back and forth across the ocean so they can sell on both sides without tariffs. There's no danger they'll run to the Maldives with another 45k of undelivered kickstarter money. Unless you were personally harmed, you're deep in the drama for the sake of drama territory.
*general you, not NAVARRO
Load of malarkey mate. Everyone is totally free to do business to whoever they want for the reasons they want and yes background does mater.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
"The founder maybe lied 15 years ago" is a pretty high standard. I would propose that people who have that as their cutoff point for doing business cannot function in today's society. They certainly would not have access to the internet, fuel, supermarket food...
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Post by: Piousservant
Interesting news / timing given where we are with the Damned...
On that note, anyone in the US actually received anything yet? For all the talk of shipping, it doesn't seem like anyone has the models in hand yet still.
I certainly won't be buying anything more from WGA until I've got the Damned in my mitts now anyway.
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Post by: Fenriswulf
He might be making amends with the Defiance kickstarter, but wasn't he involved in the Torn Armor kickstarter, whose miniatures were never delivered? They wrote about suing to get their money back, but said that the company who had been making them had declared bankruptcy.
If he was involved in that, what amends will he be making to the backers of that kickstarter, or that company?
As for the Power Suits, those designs were bought from the creator by Impact! Miniatures. So I have no idea what in the world is going to happen there.
https://impact-miniatures.myshopify.com/products/hardsuit-50mm-power-armor-set-of-4-with-multiple-accessories?_pos=2&_sid=2ffb360ad&_ss=r
Edit: This news makes this page funnier knowing what we know now, with what has been posted there, heh.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
lord_blackfang wrote:Ultimately, unless you* actually lost money and hold a grudge (totally valid), what does it matter what Tony was before? WGA is a successful, reliable company with a hundred tools under their belt, doing uniquely zany things like shipping tools back and forth across the ocean so they can sell on both sides without tariffs. There's no danger they'll run to the Maldives with another 45k of undelivered kickstarter money. Unless you were personally harmed, you're deep in the drama for the sake of drama territory.
I can expect improvements when people learn from their mistakes. Tony's letter doesn't inspire confidence of having learned a lot. The whole posting of the letter seems to be about showing off some supposed long-running reliability and a redemption arc. More humility and less pointing fingers and self-aggrandizing talk would have made me a lot more forgiving than I find myself being now. The ongoing Damned crowdfunding delivery that's 1.5 years behind schedule and counting doesn't inspire confidence either.
And neither does this message from North Star's Nick over at LAF https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=150938.msg1939764#msg1939764 : North Star have been a distributor of WA from day 1. On day 1 (and other occasions) I asked 'are you Tony Reidy?' I still have the email replies where he said no. What do you do? Accuse someone of being a liar based on quite convincing circumstantial evidence, or take them at their word?
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Post by: Porsenna
lord_blackfang wrote:What do you mean, why bother? Even non gamers go nuts for those not-machinen-krieger eggsuits.
seriously, this. I was in Japan earlier in the year, and in Osaka at least those kind of kits are even giving Gundam a run for their money on who's got the most shelf space.
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Post by: Eilif
Gomezaddams wrote:
Now Wargames Factory didn't disappear. Far from it. They produce all of GWs terrain... and Tonys statement isn't exactly subtle with its accusations - far better then other statements hes done over the years, but... someone really should have been a critical friend on his comms.
I hadn't heard about it. So is Wargames Factory the company doing all this, or are we saying that Wargames factory was absorbed by the Chinese plastics company that was producing their product and now produces GW terrain and other well known lines?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Eilif wrote: Gomezaddams wrote:
Now Wargames Factory didn't disappear. Far from it. They produce all of GWs terrain... and Tonys statement isn't exactly subtle with its accusations - far better then other statements hes done over the years, but... someone really should have been a critical friend on his comms.
I hadn't heard about it. So is Wargames Factory the company doing all this, or are we saying that Wargames factory was absorbed by the Chinese plastics company that was producing their product and now produces GW terrain and other well known lines?
I believe the second one. The Chinese maker got out of the business of making and marketing kits and now produces stuff for other companies.
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Post by: legionaires
Piousservant wrote:
Interesting news / timing given where we are with the Damned...
On that note, anyone in the US actually received anything yet? For all the talk of shipping, it doesn't seem like anyone has the models in hand yet still.
Hopefully there will be some updates in this week's WGA email. I would be worried about how long the "shipping soon" notice is taking if I hadn't just gone through the same thing with the latest Battletech KS.
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Post by: BrookM
Ooh, thanks for the reminder, now that I have a printer, this is awesome news.
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Post by: Polonius
I find this whole thing fascinating. Normally when there seems to be a grey area in morality, it's because of conflict between two ideals or two people's rights. Here, it's simply that this guy seems very willing to lie and mislead, but for a very benign goal: making HIPS miniatures.
So, we have some shady means leading to quite positive ends. An interesting prism for anybody's ethics, I suppose.
For us as consumers though, to quote the philosopher Bert Cooper: "who cares?" The product is on the shelf. Buying it is not notably more or less ethical than any other purchase you could make. I'm not sure I'd invest any money into a business he ran, and I would definitely grab the popcorn if WGA ever did another crowdfunding campaign. But I'll buy their stuff without a second thought.
I haven't done any crowdfunding since the Kickstarter gold rush years, and back then, being a year or more delayed on a huge project was the norm. Maybe things have changed and operations have gotten more professional, but if anything, I wonder if the timing of this announcement, as shipments began going out, was not a coincidence.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I’m still in on two Kickstarters that will almost certainly be years late. One is the Shadows of Brimstone KS which has run into tariff limbo. The other is the Dropfleet 28mm Strikezone Commander, which heavily involves Wargames Atlantic since they make all the new plastics for Dropfleet Commander.
But yeah, a delay of a few years for a kickstarter is normal. Wake me up when Kingdom Death starts delivering the next wave of their ongoing catastrophe.
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Post by: mattl
Just got my store credit from Wargames Atlantic and ordered a set of Lizardmen for my Kings of War army and a set of Spacenam to use as proxy for Imperial Guard.
If I hadn't recently picked up a dwarf army for Warmaster I'd have picked up a set of their 10mm dwarfs instead perhaps.
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Post by: Eilif
 mattl wrote:Just got my store credit from Wargames Atlantic and ordered a set of Lizardmen for my Kings of War army and a set of Spacenam to use as proxy for Imperial Guard.
If I hadn't recently picked up a dwarf army for Warmaster I'd have picked up a set of their 10mm dwarfs instead perhaps.
That's great news! Automatically Appended Next Post: BobtheInquisitor wrote:I’m still in on two Kickstarters that will almost certainly be years late. One is the Shadows of Brimstone KS which has run into tariff limbo. The other is the Dropfleet 28mm Strikezone Commander, which heavily involves Wargames Atlantic since they make all the new plastics for Dropfleet Commander.
But yeah, a delay of a few years for a kickstarter is normal. Wake me up when Kingdom Death starts delivering the next wave of their ongoing catastrophe.
I deliberately don't follow updates or have any expectation for the timeline of things I support via crowdfunding. I certainly don't use the suggested fulfillment date as anything I'll be able to count on for a given project. I only support companies I reasonably expect to deliver (and so far they all have) but once I've pledged, I let myself forget about it.
Makes it even sweeter when a nearly-forgotten pledge shows up at my door a year or so after it's suggested delivery date. I'm sure I'll be pleased when the Damned show up, but I have no idea when that will be or should have been.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
mattl wrote:Just got my store credit from Wargames Atlantic and ordered a set of Lizardmen for my Kings of War army and a set of Spacenam to use as proxy for Imperial Guard.
Store credit for the Defiance Games KS or...?
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Post by: mattl
lord_blackfang wrote: mattl wrote:Just got my store credit from Wargames Atlantic and ordered a set of Lizardmen for my Kings of War army and a set of Spacenam to use as proxy for Imperial Guard.
Store credit for the Defiance Games KS or...?
Yep.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Excellent to see WGA is immediately following through on that promise!
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Post by: mattl
https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/updates-on-molds-damned-shipping-and-more
Kickstarter Refunds
To that end we've also - as of tonight when I'm writing this - received about 90 requests for refunds from the Kickstarter backers. I'm building out a spreadsheet (as Kickstarter's data is now closed out and unable to be downloaded as a spreadsheet) and have started the process of sending Paypals, wires, and site credits. Please do spread the word so we can reach all the backers and we'll continue to post within Kickstarter to generate emails from there too.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
 Polonius wrote:I find this whole thing fascinating. Normally when there seems to be a grey area in morality, it's because of conflict between two ideals or two people's rights. Here, it's simply that this guy seems very willing to lie and mislead, but for a very benign goal: making HIPS miniatures.
So, we have some shady means leading to quite positive ends. An interesting prism for anybody's ethics, I suppose.
If you're willing to believe his side of the story and ignore the various business partners and contractors that allege he either took money from them without delivering promised services or took services from them without delivering promised money, and customers whose money was taken without delivering the purchased goods, then sure, no harm was done, all very morally grey.
Now, I haven't read even a percentage of all the problematic business dealings related to Reidy/Wargames Factory/Defiance Games and Troll Forged Miniatures/Torn Armor/whatever else is out there, but I find it difficult to believe that it would be a coincidence that the one consistent factor in all these failures is Tony Reidy. Sure, he didn't apparently take the money and run (well, not the last part at least), but he did leave others out of pocket or led them to go out of business when he set up new companies under a different business and personal name, apparently finally succeeding for the time being as Wargames Atlantic.
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Post by: bbb
Ken posted a comment about it on the Proxie Models FB page.
https://www.facebook.com/proxiemodels
If you followed my ancient blog and have been around for years you may remember my interactions with Defiance Games.
I was paid a long time ago but did not want to deal with them again. So they owe me nothing and I have no ill will towards them.
The old leader of Defiance has revealed himself to be the leader of Wargames Atlantic. I suspected this a long time ago and asked but it was denied.
Very curious. I have some halflings and plan to buy some Spanish for my Oldhammer collection.
It is a strange flashback to a very difficult time and some lessons learned. I have some people who will never speak to me again from that mess. But the past is the past and I am blessed with a worsening memory.
Good luck to Wargames Atlantic. Judging from online comments the gaming community is a forgiving bunch with good natured attitudes.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Im surprised people are surprised by this revelation. WGA and Defiance used the same artists and sculptors, very similar marketing and branding, website design, packaging, etc. It was obvious there were strong through-lines from the get-go, and the vociferous denials -now in fact revealed to be direct *LIES* - of association or connection between the comlanies were dead giveaways.
SU-152 wrote:WGA is the only producer of 10mm plastic miniatures (and if GW's BoFA never existed all that time ago, WGA would be the only EVER producer).They got me there. So I do not care who's behind all.
This isnt even remotely true. Armoured Clash from Warcradle, Epic Warpath from Mantic, Dropzone Commamder from TTC, and Epic from Warlord are all plastic 10mm.
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Post by: privateer4hire
Wait. Are these the same people who brought us the vikings that Warlord Games sells?
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Post by: insaniak
Most of the original Wargames Factory miniatures are currently sold through Warlord, yes.
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Post by: Jack Flask
insaniak wrote:Most of the original Wargames Factory miniatures are currently sold through Warlord, yes.
...but not the Shock Troops 
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Post by: Racerguy180
My Damned just shipped!!!!
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Post by: Albertorius
Meanwhile, I don't expect Kevin Siembieda and Palladium Books to do anything at all about the Robotech KS, and they didn't even hide themselves, bankrupt themselves or anything like that...
...so yeah
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Shame about those millions of dollars of undelivered kickstarters from CMON, Mythic, etc. too.
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Post by: NAVARRO
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote: Polonius wrote:I find this whole thing fascinating. Normally when there seems to be a grey area in morality, it's because of conflict between two ideals or two people's rights. Here, it's simply that this guy seems very willing to lie and mislead, but for a very benign goal: making HIPS miniatures.
So, we have some shady means leading to quite positive ends. An interesting prism for anybody's ethics, I suppose.
If you're willing to believe his side of the story and ignore the various business partners and contractors that allege he either took money from them without delivering promised services or took services from them without delivering promised money, and customers whose money was taken without delivering the purchased goods, then sure, no harm was done, all very morally grey.
Now, I haven't read even a percentage of all the problematic business dealings related to Reidy/Wargames Factory/Defiance Games and Troll Forged Miniatures/Torn Armor/whatever else is out there, but I find it difficult to believe that it would be a coincidence that the one consistent factor in all these failures is Tony Reidy. Sure, he didn't apparently take the money and run (well, not the last part at least), but he did leave others out of pocket or led them to go out of business when he set up new companies under a different business and personal name, apparently finally succeeding for the time being as Wargames Atlantic.
Troll Forged miniatures that's a name I haven't heard in a long time what happened there?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 Albertorius wrote:Meanwhile, I don't expect Kevin Siembieda and Palladium Books to do anything at all about the Robotech KS, and they didn't even hide themselves, bankrupt themselves or anything like that...
...so yeah
They did give credit to backers. Which was a bit of a raw deal since they losing the Robotech license and could no longer sell the game but there you go.
And Palladium is basically a zombie company now anyway, not produced even a new Rifts book in years.
See the link in my sig if you'd like to know more.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
NAVARRO wrote: Coenus Scaldingus wrote: Polonius wrote:I find this whole thing fascinating. Normally when there seems to be a grey area in morality, it's because of conflict between two ideals or two people's rights. Here, it's simply that this guy seems very willing to lie and mislead, but for a very benign goal: making HIPS miniatures.
So, we have some shady means leading to quite positive ends. An interesting prism for anybody's ethics, I suppose.
If you're willing to believe his side of the story and ignore the various business partners and contractors that allege he either took money from them without delivering promised services or took services from them without delivering promised money, and customers whose money was taken without delivering the purchased goods, then sure, no harm was done, all very morally grey.
Now, I haven't read even a percentage of all the problematic business dealings related to Reidy/Wargames Factory/Defiance Games and Troll Forged Miniatures/Torn Armor/whatever else is out there, but I find it difficult to believe that it would be a coincidence that the one consistent factor in all these failures is Tony Reidy. Sure, he didn't apparently take the money and run (well, not the last part at least), but he did leave others out of pocket or led them to go out of business when he set up new companies under a different business and personal name, apparently finally succeeding for the time being as Wargames Atlantic.
Troll Forged miniatures that's a name I haven't heard in a long time what happened there?
Here's some more info on Dakka: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/840/482700.page#10127571
While their kickstarter updates make for sobering reading, with an external party (very) slowly doing their best to deliver some physical products or provide alternatives over the course of many years: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/131182444/assimilation-alien-host/posts
Troll Forged's original owner, Ed Fortae, started doing work for Defiance at some point but allegedly was not paid (see e.g. comments under https://www.beastsofwar.com/sci-fi-wargaming/defiance-games-ready-german-armour-alien-war/)
Probably as much as I'll get into here without derailing the thread further.
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Post by: NAVARRO
Coenus Scaldingus thank you for the links and information.
Poor Ed, I always loved his work back then.
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Post by: Albertorius
 Kid_Kyoto wrote: Albertorius wrote:Meanwhile, I don't expect Kevin Siembieda and Palladium Books to do anything at all about the Robotech KS, and they didn't even hide themselves, bankrupt themselves or anything like that... ...so yeah
They did give credit to backers. Which was a bit of a raw deal since they losing the Robotech license and could no longer sell the game but there you go. And Palladium is basically a zombie company now anyway, not produced even a new Rifts book in years. See the link in my sig if you'd like to know more.
Credit was gak, and of no use whatsoever to people from outside the US. Plus, only useable on the gak that they already gave us. And they lost the license due to this clusterfeth, so that's ALSO on them. They might not have produced anything (other than Titan Robotics, that I know of), but they HAVE licensed Rifts to another publisher (Savage Rifts, https://peginc.com/savage-settings/rifts/) to great success and multiple supplements, for which they get royalties, so it's not like they haven't been getting money either... they're just not doing anything to earn it. But you won't hear them ever thinking about making wrongs right.
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Post by: Da Boss
I bought some Wargames Factory Celts and Vikings years ago in a physical shop. And that's pretty notable - a lot of stuff I see online these days is never available in a shop where I live. I think they're not the best miniatures in the world but all the same I like them and the value for money was incredible. I've also used the crapton of bits that came on those sprues in many other projects over the years.
And likewise, Wargames Atlantic is physically available in my local shop. I can walk in there and pick up a box. So I don't have to worry about "Will they deliver this time" because I'm only buying what is available in my local shop. If the Damned show up there someday I'll pick up a box. I'm looking forward to these space frogs coming at some stage, will definitely pick up a couple of boxes at least to do some Slann in 40K.
I'm done with pre-ordering miniatures. I'm glad I didn't get burned on the KS I backed (Tre Manor's and the Mantic Dungeon Saga one) which both delivered to my satisfaction.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
On a more practical note
Remember when the modern civilians were being previewed and some folks said wouldn't it be clever if their protest signs were printed on the back of the box to be cut out? They are!
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Post by: ScarletRose
lord_blackfang wrote:On a more practical note
Remember when the modern civilians were being previewed and some folks said wouldn't it be clever if their protest signs were printed on the back of the box to be cut out? They are!
That's a really smart idea, most people just toss the box anyway so may as well put some of that effort printing it to work.
Plus cast signs/banners tend to look too thick anyway because of the limits of the material.
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Post by: SU-152
chaos0xomega wrote:Im surprised people are surprised by this revelation. WGA and Defiance used the same artists and sculptors, very similar marketing and branding, website design, packaging, etc. It was obvious there were strong through-lines from the get-go, and the vociferous denials -now in fact revealed to be direct *LIES* - of association or connection between the comlanies were dead giveaways.
SU-152 wrote:WGA is the only producer of 10mm plastic miniatures (and if GW's BoFA never existed all that time ago, WGA would be the only EVER producer).They got me there. So I do not care who's behind all.
This isnt even remotely true. Armoured Clash from Warcradle, Epic Warpath from Mantic, Dropzone Commamder from TTC, and Epic from Warlord are all plastic 10mm.
Epic from Warlord is not 10mm at all, check your sources. and the others have nothing to do with fantasy.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
its absolutely 10mm, i've bought a lot of those minis and while Warlord early on advertised it as 15mm, they absolutely are not.
You also did not specify "fantasy" miniatures anywhere in your previous post. Dont move goalposts.
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Post by: Racerguy180
My homie got his pile of sprues...only missing 3 sprues.
Can't wait for my 9lbs of plastic on Friday....!!!!
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Post by: SU-152
chaos0xomega wrote:its absolutely 10mm, i've bought a lot of those minis and while Warlord early on advertised it as 15mm, they absolutely are not.
You also did not specify "fantasy" miniatures anywhere in your previous post. Dont move goalposts.
Epic Pike and shote are even bigger than 12mm, so no.
And a know-it-all from Dakka dakka should have picked the BoFA reference to fantasy.
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Post by: insaniak
And maybe you could both dial it down a notch and accept that communication could have been clearer there.
Moving on.
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Post by: legionaires
Lucky, still waiting here.
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Post by: ScarletRose
Same, I'm still waiting to get notification.
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Post by: Racerguy180
Got my 75 sprues earlier...gonna be busy for a while. Too bad I need more kitbash fodder. So my wallet will be double tapped this month.
Thr individual sprues look good and on par with other WGA Death Fields moulds.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Glorious! Looks like it will be a pain to check if your order is correct tho, and there might be breakages, if it's just a pile of sprue thrown in a box.
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Post by: Racerguy180
This was after the full accounting. It was nicely protected by bubble wrap and peanuts.
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Post by: legionaires
Racerguy180 wrote:This was after the full accounting. It was nicely protected by bubble wrap and peanuts.
Good to know. I'm still hoping after they all hit general release that they make the mutations. I really want new Chaos Spawn but don't want GW Spawn prices
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Post by: GrosseSax
My, my. This is quite an obscene amount of plastic; no missing or damaged sprues, all carefully packed. Thanks WGA.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Damned KS backers Update
Please check your pledges are correct!
As the US fulfilment continues it is becoming clear that people have either failed to complete their pledges or have had issues with their pledge manager.
This is causing delays as we are having to correct orders and resend pledges out with return shipping labels, receive the stock back and potentially run additional production.
If no selections have been made your pledge will default to Damned Infantry. In the interest of moving things forward a little faster, all pledges that only include Damned Infantry will be held until confirmed correct or updated.
Please check your pledges. If it is incorrect and only shows Damned Infantry please email thedamned@wargamesatlantic.com and we will get you sorted.
Best wishes
Charlie
hopefully this isn't anybody here, but if you've got your updates switched of check your gamefound account to make sure you've selected the free sprues you actually wanted
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Post by: Talking Banana
legionaires wrote:I'm still hoping after they all hit general release that they make the mutations. I really want new Chaos Spawn but don't want GW Spawn prices
Seconded! If it's worthwhile for them to release a hard plastic animal bones bits sprue, surely it's worth their time to do a mutations sprue.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The animal bits was in collaboration with somebody else so it's likely the collaborator paid for (at least some of) it
(but i would like a mutations sprue in plastic, backers should be getting STLs of the mutations stuff but as i don't print that isn't much use to me)
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Post by: Jack Flask
Talking Banana wrote: legionaires wrote:I'm still hoping after they all hit general release that they make the mutations. I really want new Chaos Spawn but don't want GW Spawn prices
Seconded! If it's worthwhile for them to release a hard plastic animal bones bits sprue, surely it's worth their time to do a mutations sprue.
Thirded! It's also seemingly a pretty universal upgrade sprue so I think it'd add value across their whole range.
Mix it in with a civie sprue and you could have Infested Terrans for Starcraft, more extreme mutations for Last War, or even revealed dopplegangers for a game based around The Thing.
Honestly also a bit sad that the power armored warriors didn't make it past the finish line as well. Space Marine knockoffs are a dime-a-dozen but The Damned PA had a nice Fallout/dieselpunk flair to them
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Post by: beast_gts
Checked and I've got stuff listed - yay! I'd selected some Les Grognards Infantry sprues (as I'm using them for 30k Militia) - is it safe to assume they'll be the new style ones?
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
My pledge status still says preparing for shipping, so imagine my surprise when the box arrived.
Too bad my interests have drifted. Now to find the snips and hobby knife and carefully convert these into Bronze Age warriors…
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Post by: Fenriswulf
I bought a bunch of Medieval helmets from Anvil Industry to replace the ones on the Heavy Infantry Damned. I hope they match up well. Like yourself, my interest has moved elsewhere, but I will probably regain it so I can make an alternate version of Solar Auxilia
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I'm more hyped for The Damned now than I was in the doldrums 6 months ago. Militia looking fun and decent in HH 3.0 has a lot to do with that, of course. Now if only they deliver in the EU before the edition is over.
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Post by: Perfect Organism
What's the deal with the extra 'free sprues'? I thought I chose all my free sprues in the pledge manager, but now it shows me as having 14 chosen sprues and then these 6 extra. I thought at first that they were just the generic infantry, but one of my chosen sprues is 'The Damned Infantry'. Should I have 20 free sprues for the five-box deal? If so, do I need to contact them and specify what I want the last 6 to be?
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Post by: Esker
Yes, I got 20 free sprues with the 5 box deal and specified all of them. Those extra 6 you have will default to Damned Infantry unless you contact them at thedamned@wargamesatlantic.com. According to Charlie from WA, production is almost complete in the UK. He posted that yesterday as a comment to Update 88 on gamefound.com.
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