We've had to do a few parts fixes on the Beastmen and the Beasts in order to get them right for plastic which has caused a slight delay of a couple of weeks on those sprues. I hope to have the layouts for those within the next week.
it is basically only Warmaster that uses 40mm wide for infantry and 20mm wide for cavalry and that is technically not a 10mm game
The first paragraph of the first page of the Warmaster rules from the original Warmaster Rulebook would rather beg to differ.
yeah, mentioning 10mm total model size, while usually, and the WGA models the "scale" means base to eye making the models 12mm in total which means in that context Warmaster is technically not a 10mm game
it is basically only Warmaster that uses 40mm wide for infantry and 20mm wide for cavalry and that is technically not a 10mm game
The first paragraph of the first page of the Warmaster rules from the original Warmaster Rulebook would rather beg to differ.
yeah, mentioning 10mm total model size, while usually, and the WGA models the "scale" means base to eye making the models 12mm in total which means in that context Warmaster is technically not a 10mm game
It doesn't say anything about "total model size" – it says "approximately 10mm high" because, er, they're 10mm models, at least as close in size and scale to Wargames Atlantic as any other range described as 10mm. I have both on my painting table at the moment; I'd take a photo if I thought this was a good faith argument rather than just digging in on a meaningless and inaccurate distinction.
I don't have the new WGA models, but some of the original Warmaster metals and they are smaller than what you get when buying the "standard" 10mm fantasy ones you get as 3D prints or from other companies
and as WGA ones measure on their HP 10mm to the eye with 11,5-12 total size they would be also a bit larger than the ones I have
kodos wrote: I don't have the new WGA models, but some of the original Warmaster metals and they are smaller than what you get when buying the "standard" 10mm fantasy ones you get as 3D prints or from other companies
and as WGA ones measure on their HP 10mm to the eye with 11,5-12 total size they would be also a bit larger than the ones I have
Sure, there’s some variation within the Warmaster range – just as there is within and between pretty much any range of miniatures, but it’s a 10mm range; that’s the appropriate label and people are just pointing out that 10mm Warmaster models based on 40mm x 20mm bases has been popular with people in the past, and might be a good fit for other 10mm ranges, like Wargames Atlantic’s. I agree.
That is the point, Warmaster isn't the industry standard (there are other sizes for other games) and making a new game the focus should be on making a good new game and not to be compatible with a niche OOP from the past because some people want to use their old stuff in the new game without changing something so they can fall back to it if GW rerelease it
Which is funny because if GW rerelease a game and change base sizes everyone follows, but if someone else makes their own game they must follow legacy basing for reasons
40mm wide is the industry standard for smallscale multibase tho even if Warmaster didn't exist, and WGA probably still want to sell minis to people who don't pick up their rules.
specially as the WGA boxes come without bases anyway so people who pick them up for other games don't really care what base size is used for that game if they don't want to play it
kodos wrote: specially as the WGA boxes come without bases anyway so people who pick them up for other games don't really care what base size is used for that game if they don't want to play it
Put the models on whatever bases you like; all others are saying is that 10mm models look good on 40mm x 20mm bases, and Wargames Atlantic seem to agree.
We have gone one better with 40mm x 20mm (although those will not be the only bases in the game) by making Dual Use versions. One side is textured and basically flat like a typical base while the other has an inset area that will accommodate puddle bases. When you fill with pva or whatever other basing material the figures' feet will be flush to the edge of the 2mm tall base:
These will be available separately later this year and then included with the frames for the individual faction boxes.
I wonder how large or small they'll be. Will they be teeny vampires that only a Frostgrave adventurer could fear?
And if they're truly Nosferatu-esque, what would be their ideal scale anyway? Do people generally prefer their Nosferatus tall and gaunt, or short and hunched?
I'd be quite shocked to see plastic vampires, but they did plastic werewolves, so I guess it's plausible. I think they should be slightly taller than humans, but the scale for fantasy humans is all over the place now, so equal in height to the largest humans in the '28mm heroic' market (I think that is still GW) seems reasonable. In other words, at least as tall as death fields humans (which loom over stargrave ones, and look fine next to GW and A:AGDitC, which are the tallest other minis I own) and ideally a couple (but only a couple) of mm taller. So 33mm top-to-toe?
Talking Banana wrote: I wonder how large or small they'll be. Will they be teeny vampires that only a Frostgrave adventurer could fear?
And if they're truly Nosferatu-esque, what would be their ideal scale anyway? Do people generally prefer their Nosferatus tall and gaunt, or short and hunched?
Inquiring minds want to know!
They will almost certainly be scaled to work with WGAs historical
Gallahad wrote: They will almost certainly be scaled to work with WGAs historical
Those are significantly smaller than death fields and most '28mm' fantasy ranges, aren't they? Including WGA's classic fantasy skeletons, I believe. On the other hand, I guess they would fit in OK with Frostgrave and Oathmark figures (WGA historicals look thinner than the chunky Northstar fantasy minis, but skinny works fine for vampires).
ArminTamzarian wrote: I'm hoping for a generic robed monster body with different head options: Nosferatu, Pumpkin, Cthlulhu, etc. Would be very useful.
If they do that then hopefully we get some generic hooded cultist heads too. Frostgrave cultists are nice but not enough plain cultists heads. And I still plan on eventually getting some victrix naked berserkers to put cultists heads on and traumatize my players with.
ArminTamzarian wrote: I'm hoping for a generic robed monster body with different head options: Nosferatu, Pumpkin, Cthlulhu, etc. Would be very useful.
If they do that then hopefully we get some generic hooded cultist heads too. Frostgrave cultists are nice but not enough plain cultists heads. And I still plan on eventually getting some victrix naked berserkers to put cultists heads on and traumatize my players with.
Generic robed humanoids would be good, but I'm concerned that they would reproduce the 'flaws' of Frostgrave cultists: being too damn short and having puddle bases. If it was me designing them, I think I would try to make them compatible with Guards of Traitor's Toll miniatures. There seems to be some potential for horror-themed expansions for that game.
Of course, the very idea that they are releasing robed vampire-like miniatures in plastic is pretty wild speculation from vague hints. It could well be a digital product, or some new use for their werewolves, an entirely different horror monster, or something like a range of 'horror investigators' in Victorian or 1920s style. It could even be something as small as a flash sale on werewolves and skeletons.
Smokestack wrote: Wargames Atlantic put this on their Facebook page… and have responded to questions with pics of nosferatu…so looks like plastic vampires are coming.
If they do look like nosferatu then I will use them as ghouls in pathfinder.
We just got werewolves so I figure Draculas or Frankensteins are next. Hoping for Frankensteins, steampunk Flesh Golems would be something new in the mini world.
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ArminTamzarian wrote: I'm hoping for a generic robed monster body with different head options: Nosferatu, Pumpkin, Cthlulhu, etc. Would be very useful.
I like that idea a lot. Throw in a wizard head and mad scientist and we're golden.
Of course, if it's a very close take on Count Orlok's look, then they will be in long coats, not robes. So alternative builds might be more along the lines of the headless horseman, Jack the ripper, scarecrow, etc. rather than cultists and wizards.
Coats would also allow for some dual-use monster-hunter vs. monster builds. Vampire slayers, witch-hunters, and the like often seem to wear late 19th century style greatcoats even in 'early modern' settings like Warhammer's old world. Gothic horror detectives are, of course, eminently suited to that style as well.
All you would really need is WA's usual wide range of heads and a mix of 'monstrous' arms (claws and 'evil' weapons like straight razors, scalpels, and daggers) and 'heroic' ones (holding bibles, crucifixes, stakes, revolvers, garlic, and the like).
I feel like I'm setting myself up for disappointment by wish-listing all this...
Hopefully WGA isn't kicking themselves hearing all these great ideas from the community at this point!
Long double coats and a variety of heads (vampires, witch hunters, civilians, pumpkins, etc.) and arms with claws, pistols, swords, etc. seems like a great idea. For my purposes I'd hope they would be more on 1500s style of clothing than the Victorian, but seems there would be something there for everyone
Yeah now that I finally got to check out the original Facebook post. I’d have to see it I suppose but I hope we get separate vampire and hunter kits. I feel like combining them would lead to too many compromises they both would be lesser.
Gir Spirit Bane wrote: Im starting to be concerned the Damned wont even ship to me until after christmas!
My original estimates for the Damned based on previous releases from Wargames Atlantic was some time in early 2025 for the gamefound delivery and something like mid 2025 for the retail release, not really sure why they decided to say May 2024 was their estimate and then just keep delaying things as the kits obviously take time to finalize.
Given we are at the end of October and there are still some kits to be finalized in terms of layout or in terms of tooling, I seriously doubt they will be able to ship the minis to people before the end of the year.
Since everything but the boxes are done in house, and they've got distribution in place i'm hopeful things will come together fairly quickly once all is finalised (and the final version of the pledge manager is released so we can all re-pick our stuff to account for the changes in sprues/content)
and Chinese New Year might be a great time to ship as there will be loads of empty space in the worlds transport networks with a month of minimal Chinese input
This hard plastic box set includes enough parts to build 12 heavily armed Valkir Heavy Troopers with options to build the legs in multiple ways by adding or removing the hanging cloth tabards, pouches, side tassets, and other accessories. Three helmet types are included: the trooper, commander, and the more heavily armored Sturmhelm. Weapon options are many and include: heavy assault rifles, heavy anti-materiel rifles, grenade launcher, flame thrower, pistol, and power sword.
Update #64
10/25/2024 10:19 AM We're so close! I can taste it.
Update #64
We're very nearly at the end of this journey.
Good day all! I hope this update finds you all well.
As mentioned in the title above, we are very close to having everything tooled and in a place to begin production runs. I have some assembled models as well as a layout to show you.
Below is the final layout of the female infantry.
And, I've managed to get some test shots to show you some of the assembled miniatures. Check out the below!
We also need to say a big thank you to the ever vigilant and supportive Farglator for catching a mistake on the Artillery sprue. The connector on the two damaged gun shields is missing. This has gone back to tooling and will be fixed within the next couple of weeks.
Finally, I am hoping to have the last two infantry layouts in the next couple of weeks now. That's the Beastmen and the Hounds and Handlers. As soon as I have those I will do a big update showing every sprue layout and what's included in each set (number of each sprue). I will then give the date that the pledge manager will close.
Once the pledge manager has been closed, we will be able to plan and begin production and fulfilment. I will put together an update detailing that plan for you as soon as it is ready (I estimate a week from closing the pledge manager).
Thank you again for being awesome and for supporting us in this project!
I like the Valkyr... are they ogre sized? Or closer to marine size? 12 seems a bit light otherwise.
Automatically Appended Next Post: When asked in the comments about whether the artillery and heavy weapons sprues will contain crew:
Charlie-WargamesAtlantic
Yeah my bad, I tried to repeat everything I have said around completion and fulfilment etc and missed that point. I will clarify that during the big update prior to the pledge manager closing.
I wouldn't say it is being ducked. We're just working out whether it is viable to add the additional sprue to each of the free artillery and heavy weapons sprues.
The artillery looks great, but overall I think I will likely get a couple of the Damned kits once they hit retail later down the road as I want to see the full sprues and likely a couple of reviews on most kits first.
If Wargames Atlantic sees this as a sign that full armies are a good thing to do, it might push them to do all of the other kits for Death Fields that have been pushed down on the queue for a long time.
Smokestack wrote: I like the Valkyr... are they ogre sized? Or closer to marine size? 12 seems a bit light otherwise.
Valkir were effectively space marines to the Eisenkerns imperial guard in the previous Dreamforged version
(the eisenkern shown here might even be a preplastic resin version, marine is pre-primeris size)
my brain had incorrectly registered the 12 as 18... it does indeed seem quite small, but probably a consequence of only being able to get 3 minis per sprue due to the separate legs , hopefully it will mean a slightly lower price too
my brain had incorrectly registered the 12 as 18... it does indeed seem quite small, but probably a consequence of only being able to get 3 minis per sprue due to the separate legs , hopefully it will mean a slightly lower price too
Nah, its the higher $39.95 price on the preorder unfortunately. I may still get a box to "damnify".
Given that the other Iron Core kits were 20 to a box and these guys are bulkier I think 12 is mostly in line.
Thinking about sprue numbers I think the other 2 kits are 4 sprues with 5 minis and this one should be 4 sprues with 3 minis so likely an extra sprue to make them cheaper individually was not in the plans at all.
If they are as big/bulky as the old ones it will still be far cheaper than current alternatives on the market.
Horus Heresy marines are $60 for 20, or about $3 each..but once you add in the special weapons options that the Valkyr come with, the 30K marines just about double in price, if not triple, depending on how you break the costs down from needing multiple upgrade sets. so there it will depend on what you intend to use the valkyr to portray.
and the 40K primaris marines are running $62.50 for 10 dudes, and they don't come with all the options the valkyr do either. (nor do they have upgrade sets)
they're closer to the First Born tactical squad box.. but there you are paying $60 for 10 ($6 each) guys, so it's still more expensive.
I was really hoping they’d stick with $35 for the box to remind everyone of the days when space marines were $35 for 10, back when Dawn of War exploded their popularity.
If space marines are really $60 for 20, this release isn’t quite the Space Marine killer I was hoping it would be.
I was really hoping they’d stick with $35 for the box to remind everyone of the days when space marines were $35 for 10, back when Dawn of War exploded their popularity.
If space marines are really $60 for 20, this release isn’t quite the Space Marine killer I was hoping it would be.
HH marines are 84$ for the Mk6/Mk4s, and 79$ for mk3.
I'm eager to the new Forbidden Psalms Last war rule book from Wargames Atlantic, but I don't really need the box set. I have a lot of WW I troops. Is it sold separately anywhere, the newest version? Online search is yielding nothing.
Shrapnelsmile wrote: I'm eager to the new Forbidden Psalms Last war rule book from Wargames Atlantic, but I don't really need the box set. I have a lot of WW I troops. Is it sold separately anywhere, the newest version? Online search is yielding nothing.
Shrapnelsmile wrote: I'm eager to the new Forbidden Psalms Last war rule book from Wargames Atlantic, but I don't really need the box set. I have a lot of WW I troops. Is it sold separately anywhere, the newest version? Online search is yielding nothing.
KidCthulhu wrote: Any news on when the mounted Conquistadors are shipping? All I can find on the site still says it should have been released last week.
I haven't gotten any further emails and my order still says "unfulfilled". So no, nothing news-wise yet.
No word yet on the conquistador cav, or the halloween set. But...
From Facebook
Fresh off the press is the T1 for the Long Weapons frame for the Barons' War. This frame will appear in both the levy and serjeants boxes. A variety of sleeve types can be mixed and matched with the torsos for a huge amount of variety.
The serjeants frame will be out of tooling in a few days and then these two boxes will be with us soon! Mounted Serjeants and Knights are close on their heels!
This may be the most versatile box of Zombies ever made! Rob has designed the bodies in nondescript rags so that they could represent nearly any type of clothing. And then we've added a stunning number of head types so that these can be used to represent zombie versions of any of the following:
Ancient Rome
Dark Ages
Viking/Norman Period
Renaissance
18th Century and Pirates
Napoleonic French and British
Cowboys
WW1 and WW2 British, Germans, and French
Modern Heads - Police, Fire, Construction, Civilians
And of course enough "regular" zombie heads for all
There will be extra arms that can be used with other historical bodies to zombify them too!
One caution - we have not taken this to layout yet. We believe we'll be able to get everything on the frame but there may have to be a cut or two. We'll let everyone know as the set progresses through file prep, layout, and tooling!
Models require assembly and painting. Bases are not included.
The Zombies set looks really good.Loads of options for heads too.
I can see people trying to get certain types of heads for the figure types they collect.
The YMCA set looks like it would be fun to make up too.
re: Zombies. I see they are trying for The Last War and The Silver Bayonet players. {Weird First World War and Napoleonic era respectively.} This is the type of kit I'd have liked earlier because it is so versatile, but between 1st ed Zombicide and Kings of War I've more zombies than I need. (It's Z-cide's doing. I only bought what I needed for KoW.} But it should be a great kit for anyone starting anything zombie. Unless doing a Romero flick, zombies should not be limited to whatever contemporary clothing is for the time period you are playing.
Some Greek and Roman heads would be welcome too. EDIT: Ah, they do have the Roman heads. Missed that on first look.
Not my first choice, but if the market absolutely must have a 7th hard plastic zombie kit, this is a good way to do it. Modern, Cowboy, Pirate, Napoleonic and WW1 all sound useful for me.
Nice add, I think the heads+rags will work well, and obviously if you're the sort of person who needs Roman/Nazi/Police/GI zombies you'll have tons of extra guns and swords and whatever to complete the effect.
I'd have thrown in some sci-fi heads in place of one of the Napoleonic sets but that's just me.
Still hoping we one day get Frankensteins and Draculas!
I realize it's probably too late to give them notes but...
I'd like to see the really niche heads (cowboys, tricorns, Napoleonics) cut to just 3 per sprue and I'd like to see some sci fi heads (space solider helmets, cyborgs, alien facehuggers) and bio hazard suits (with broken glass visors). And the WWI doughboys need a gas mask or two!
I realize it's probably too late to give them notes but...
I'd like to see the really niche heads (cowboys, tricorns, Napoleonics) cut to just 3 per sprue and I'd like to see some sci fi heads (space solider helmets, cyborgs, alien facehuggers) and bio hazard suits (with broken glass visors). And the WWI doughboys need a gas mask or two!
I don't quite understand this. The announcement makes it sound like the zombie set isn't finished yet, but there's already a video of Peachy building a box.
I do like the idea of the set, which is to say, one single set of zombies that could potentially be used in multiple games and periods. I agree that I think it would be better to drop some of the specific head types to 3 or 4 each in favor of including more variety. However the final layout goes, this also seems like fertile ground for some add-on sets in their STL store.
Hatemonger wrote: I don't quite understand this. The announcement makes it sound like the zombie set isn't finished yet, but there's already a video of Peachy building a box.
This may be the most versatile box of Zombies ever made! Rob has designed the bodies in nondescript rags so that they could represent nearly any type of clothing. And then we've added a stunning number of head types so that these can be used to represent zombie versions of any of the following:
Ancient Rome
Dark Ages
Viking/Norman Period
Renaissance
18th Century and Pirates
Napoleonic French and British
Cowboys
WW1 and WW2 British, Germans, and French
Modern Heads - Police, Fire, Construction, Civilians
And of course enough "regular" zombie heads for all
There will be extra arms that can be used with other historical bodies to zombify them too!
One caution - we have not taken this to layout yet. We believe we'll be able to get everything on the frame but there may have to be a cut or two. We'll let everyone know as the set progresses through file prep, layout, and tooling!
Models require assembly and painting. Bases are not included.
This is an extremely good idea. I've already got more painted zombies than I could need for modern and sci-fi settings, but I would definitely consider this box if I needed some for a different setting.
I have been noticing a lot of comments on the Gamefound page for The Damned about people wanting to request refunds, complaining about the parts that made it in to some sets or the lack of answers to some questions.
I think overall Wargames Atlantic will have to improve a bit on how they do time management and community management if they wish to do other crowdfunding campaigns like The Damned.
Complaints are always to be expected, especially when kits shown are concepts rather than finalized work, but I think they could have avoided a few issues with a bit of investment on time spent going through the comments at least every few days.
Lets see how it goes when they start to ship the boxes once everything is in place.
They handled people being underwhelmed by the original vehicle design pretty well, I think.
The "We split one kit into one and a half sprues and we're not even telling you if the half sized sprue will count as a full sprue towards your sprue allowance" thing, not so much.
The Friday newsletter teased Valkir melee plastics coming and also said Shadowkesh and more Valkir were coming... It also said the Conquistador and Renaissance cavalry are shipping though mine are still unfulfilled. It also mentioned "Reptilian Overlords" fantasy... Between Baron's war and Guards of Traitor's toll and now RO fantasy I may have to choose which I am drawing the line at.
Those Sergeants look good though. I will have to get a box.
Have there been any hints of the Eisenkern command set with the baggage robots getting remade?
Also, can anyone explain what the deal with the Shadokesh was? I've only been able to find one image, and it isn't clear to me if they are meant to be a race of naked (presumably non-technological) monsters, or whether this is just one unit from a larger range.
Smokestack wrote: It also mentioned "Reptilian Overlords" fantasy...
Those seemingly being new variations of their not-Mordheim Mercenaries and Militias STL set. With this and the Guards of Traitor's Toll Stuff, WGA gonna have a lot of Mordheim adjacent material.
does forbidden psalm do a mordheim like game? given they've done The Forbidden Psalm The Last War i could see a set for a mordheim like game with all the new stuff.
I also hope that the Shadokesh make it to plastic. They looked fantastic when first developed and would make a great alien race for gaming. Fingers crossed!
i know, i was mostly thinking of a stand alone game within the Forbidden Psalm line that has the "warbands exploring a ruined city" type focus.
Automatically Appended Next Post: First view of the Zombies sprue.. supposed to get 5 of these the box. so 30 zombies, and about 350 spare heads..
personally i feel they went overboard with the heads. that they could cut the number of each back to at most 3 per hat/helmet type (though leave the full 6 bare heads), and you'd be able to fit another 2 bodies+arms. and that mixing the helmeted and bare heads would still allow you to customize your horde to whatever era you want. (and the mix of helmeted and bare heads would actually look better than every single zombie having the same hat/helmet.)
I agree they didn't need to do the full 6 heads for each theme, but I would go the reverse and also drop a body and add more head themes and more arm poses, maybe an arm with a period appropriate item for each theme (broken musket, etc)
I think the big problem is that the bodies are all wearing generic rags, which simply don't match the heads at all. A box of medieval-fantasy-ish zombies all dressed in ragged tunics or mail, with a good variety of helmets (viking, nasal, kettle hat, pot helm, bascinet, roman, etc.) and hats would have worked fine. Likewise, an early twentieth century uniform would be generic enough that the various military and police headgear styles would have worked perfectly well, giving a good 'pulp zombie' theme. But as it stands, the bodies only really seem to work well with the bare heads or maybe the iron-age helmets (18-26). The main purpose of this box would seem to be providing heads to attach to other bodies in order to zombify them...
Never quite understood the heavy obsession Wargames Atlantic has with lots of heads especially when the end result is not particularly a super generic set.
For example Mantic's zombies for Firefight/Warpath have a particular theme of military, scientists and something in between and although that set is far from perfect it works as intended in the particular set.
With this set we are led to believe all clothes become equally ragged regardless of time period, but the helmets and hats manage to stay on in a way that is easily recognizable?
I think WGA wants to do it all at once and that hurts the end result of many of their products. Many of the follow up sets are held up for a while now in the queue (like command and HWT for many death fields factions), the damned seems to be fighting in the queue for attention versus the sets for other companies and the overall planning/scheduling is still far from working as intended (deadlines keep being announced with extremely optimistic time frames).
I am starting to prefer the slow but thematic approach of Stargrave/Frostgrave sets which tend to be released roughly as planned.
The head options are what sets WGA apart, easily my favorite aspect of the kits they make. Probably overkill on this one, but it's the right kind of overkill IMHO
Truly not a fan of the puddle bases, however, that just fething sucks. Really kills the set for me, It's so much work to remove them from an entire unit of models. The werewolves have smaller contact points than these and they work fine with no puddle bases, why are WGA going backwards on this?
Kalamadea wrote: The head options are what sets WGA apart, easily my favorite aspect of the kits they make. Probably overkill on this one, but it's the right kind of overkill IMHO
As someone who has built hundreds of models from WGA and spent the extra heads from the kits, quantity is not exactly quality or variety.
Some kits are better than others in this regard, but if you spend the almost 200 heads of a grognard box or the over 100 heads of a WW1 Germans box you will see what I mean in terms of variety. Lots of WGA kits have what is essentially the same sculpt with slightly different expressions or mustaches (or just the exact same sculpt over and over for gasmasks) and while that doesn't look bad on the tabletop, especially from the distance, I have started to find it quite boring while building/painting them (there is a limit to what different hair colours and a few variations can do to add variety while painting, especially when some sculpts have no hair/facial hair).
KidCthulhu wrote: Woohoo! Just got my ship notice email for my Renaissance Heavy Cavalry!
I did as well.
As far as the zombies goes... I had added a set to cart but hesitated and didnt pull the trigger. Now I am glad I didnt as I was planning on using the conquistador heads... which have since been cut... I would have been pretty bummed. So... that hesitation saved me.
Edit:: and just placed an order for 2 saddle/dog sprues and 2 light horse sprues from Mcdougals... so my 2 boxes of Renn Cav will make 24 riders vs 18.
I feel like the zombies set will be optimally purchased alongside another WGA set for kitbashing. If you want fantasy zombies, WW2 zombies or sci-fi zombies, just mix and match with the relevant kit and you should probably end up with something that looks good I think.
This HIGHLY useful box set features parts to build up to 30 levy with a wide variety of weapons including spear, bow, club, sling, ax, sword, and a variety of farm implements as a last resort. A variety of heads allow for even more customization and parts can be combined with the other sets in the range.
Two unique full frames make up the set - click the box above to see them in high res. Whether you are building out a retinue for Barons' War or sending your fantasy villagers after a pack of ravenous werewolves, this box has you covered!
TO ARMS!
The peasant levy could make up a bulk of an army during this time period but were rarely the decisive element in a battle. They were raised in one of three ways, as members of a lord's household, as mercenaries, or levied from a town or the countryside. Many of the men were armed, had some training, and came from the upper peasantry, the tenant farmers who would have at one time had prior experience of a battle.
This is the second in a new range - The Age of Chivalry - that will soon include Sergeants, Levy, and cavalry sets to go with the existing Foot Knights.
Models require assembly and painting. Bases are not included. Not for Children. Contents may vary from photos.
Sculpting: Rob Macfarlane
Based on Original Sculpts by: Paul Hicks
Illustration: Peter Dennis
Figure Painting: Steve Beckett
Author of The Barons' War rules: Andy Hobday
Looks like a very nice set. Would be very useful if these pages for these sets listed how many of each sprue they contained. For example, It'd be nice to know how many not-spear pole armed figures you can make in the set.
In that vein, it does not appear that you can make them all bowmen, which seems like a bit of a mistake given that is one of the most likely uses for this kit.
Ancestral Hamster wrote: Could not find the foot sergeants on the WGA Release Schedule. Has anyone seen anything about where they are in the development pipeline?
Based on previous posts and news just a few weeks behind the Levy release. I'm hoping for more Baron's War releases after these are all out myself.
You can make 20 archers from this set which is more than enough for a couple of missile units in the Baron's War rules I think. Have to remember that they have been designed with that ruleset in mind.
Looks like a very nice set. Would be very useful if these pages for these sets listed how many of each sprue they contained. For example, It'd be nice to know how many not-spear pole armed figures you can make in the set.
In that vein, it does not appear that you can make them all bowmen, which seems like a bit of a mistake given that is one of the most likely uses for this kit.
I guess you could do 25 Archers and 5 command guys/fillers/slingers. I don’t think it's that bad and if you have other sets chances are you have some leftover bows.
RedRowan wrote: You can make 20 archers from this set which is more than enough for a couple of missile units in the Baron's War rules I think. Have to remember that they have been designed with that ruleset in mind.
Steve
That was what I was thinking as well. And after these first kits are out, they could slip in another bow on some other kit. I'm hoping for a kit of monks and hospitaleers myself.
lord_blackfang wrote: Levy looks great, albeit remarkably similar to Fireforge Peasant Rabble. But certainly the scale will be better.
Aren't WA historicals small relative to their Death Fields stuff / GW scale? I thought they were basically the same height as (and a little less chunky than) frostgrave, oathmark, and fireforge figures.
GreenScorpion wrote: I have been noticing a lot of comments on the Gamefound page for The Damned about people wanting to request refunds, complaining about the parts that made it in to some sets or the lack of answers to some questions.
I think overall Wargames Atlantic will have to improve a bit on how they do time management and community management if they wish to do other crowdfunding campaigns like The Damned.
Complaints are always to be expected, especially when kits shown are concepts rather than finalized work, but I think they could have avoided a few issues with a bit of investment on time spent going through the comments at least every few days.
Lets see how it goes when they start to ship the boxes once everything is in place.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but in my experience pledging on other monty haul style minis kickstarters, I think you have two forces that both make people more dissatisfied as time goes on:
1) no matter what the company does, the actual product is unlikely to be exactly as cool as what every backer imagined, and rarely does every single feature promised get included.
2) People lose interest as whatever reason they had for the product dries up, or they have moved on to a new shiny toy, etc.
I'm not saying that people don't have legitimate complaints at times with kickstarters, but I do think that a lot of it is people just not wanting the product as much anymore and that showing up in complaints about the process.
lord_blackfang wrote: Levy looks great, albeit remarkably similar to Fireforge Peasant Rabble. But certainly the scale will be better.
Aren't WA historicals small relative to their Death Fields stuff / GW scale? I thought they were basically the same height as (and a little less chunky than) frostgrave, oathmark, and fireforge figures.
Yes, the Baron's War guys are closer to historical miniatures in size/proportions:
Ancestral Hamster wrote: Could not find the foot sergeants on the WGA Release Schedule. Has anyone seen anything about where they are in the development pipeline?
Based on previous posts and news just a few weeks behind the Levy release. I'm hoping for more Baron's War releases after these are all out myself.
Thank you. The most recent Friday e-mail lists them as "Boxes Printing." Basically, I just want a sprue of each foot offering from knights down to peasants.
To sum up... fingers crossed for March 2025... and no mention of the artillery/ heavy weapons free sprue interaction.
Manufacturing and Shipping Update!
Update #65
Plus a little something to show off.
Well, as they say, better late than never! Apologies for the delay. I have been waiting on images to share with you.
As we get closer to completion I wanted to put together an updated and more accurate production schedule along with a shipping window that we are confident of being able to achieve.
As mentioned in previous updates we underestimated the time it would take to complete this project. We wanted to be sure to have you, the community involved in the manufacturing process and give you the opportunity to influence each of the sets as they moved through production. That was a commitment we did not want to fall short of and I am pleased to say I don't believe we have.
Of course, it is difficult to please everybody and at times we have had to make tough decisions. Even after manufacturing more than 60 plastic frames over the last five years you never really know what's going to work on a layout until the plastic flow engineer yells at you! However, I am very pleased with the outcome and I truly believe we are going to deliver a fantastic product!
Before I get into the production dates let me show you the latest frame layout.
Now let's get to what is coming next and when. The following sets are currently in tooling. For those of you that have missed this in previous updates, that mean the mold is being cut from steel as we speak and is the final part of the manufacturing process.
Tooling:
WAADF022 Damned Females - done! (images inbound any day!)
WAADF022 Damned Heavy Infantry - November 16
WAADF016 Damned Brutes - November 22
WAADF017 Damned Outriders - December 4
I'll be showing off the initial frames for each of those as they come through over the next couple of weeks.
The following sets are in final file prep and being made ready for tooling. All of which should be finished any day now and will then receive a tooling completion date. The good news there is that pretty much all of these should be finished on or before the end of the year.
What comes after that is the final production runs of the frames. This won't take too long at all as we have been stock piling frames of the already completed sets over the last few months.
Once that is all complete we can then begin shipping out your pledges. In the interest of setting an achievable date for this it is our aim to have the project fulfilled by the end of March.
I will continue to keep you updated will all new information and images as it becomes available. We really are on to the final stages now. This has been a mammoth undertaking for us here at Wargames Atlantic and we are really looking forward to you receiving your pledges.
As soon as I have the final layouts I will be posting an update showing every layout, confirming the number of sprues in each set and the final list of free sprues available to choose from.
Thank you again for sticking with us and supporting this campaign, you're all Damned wonderful!
Charlie from WGA mentioned that they were still evaluating the free sprues and a reply would be given soon, my guess is that they are trying to calculate what they can or can't do to make sure they don't lose too much money on specific sprues, but the more that decision is delayed the more the people asking will be upset.
I am still trying to understand how they keep making up deadlines they can't fulfil, especially when they are producing more and more sets for other companies and obviously occupying the parts of the queue which seem to be the bottleneck (layouts and tooling seem to be their major bottleneck for the moment).
March next year seems mostly ok for the infantry, HWT and artillery but based on how little has been said about the vehicle I am still doubtful about that one being ready for delivery in March, lets see.
Charlie-WargamesAtlantic
11/19/2024 11:11 AM To confirm, we will be adding a crew frame to every free sprue selection of The Damned Artillery Sprue and The Damned Weapons Team Sprue.
Perhaps I missed it, but it's been a while since the campaign closed. When are we supposed to have our sprue choices finalized for the crowdfunding? I pledged and picked some boxes, but I can't remember if I picked free sprues or not?
No, they're still moving things around so you should wait.
When it's time to lock in, easiest way to get everything you're entitled to is to add another copy of your pledge level as this will have all the freebie selectors updated to the latest version, then you delete your original pledge level.
When it's time to lock in, easiest way to get everything you're entitled to is to add another copy of your pledge level as this will have all the freebie selectors updated to the latest version, then you delete your original pledge level.
Before I get to the juicy stuff I wanted to confirm that we will be adding one free Crew sprue with every free sprue selection of the Artillery sprue and Weapons Team sprue. So that means if you select an Artillery sprue as one of your free sprues you will receive one Artillery sprue and one Crew sprue. The same goes for the Outriders where you will receive a sprue of horses for each Outrider sprue you select
Next up will be the Brutes followed by the Beasts & Handlers then the Beastmen. Finally we will hit the Mauler which is likely to be a minimum of two frames. Possibly even three!
I will soon have a schedule of release for The Damned in retail stores post the fulfilment of the Gamefound. We were hoping to drop all of them at once but that is looking very unlikely at this stage. We are looking at a monthly release of one or two Damned sets at a time. I think that makes you Damned backers a very lucky lot!
KidCthulhu wrote: Highly unlikely; Deathfields are closer to the 40K 28mm Heroic scale while the Baron's War are on the smaller end of 28mm Historical.
Boo... Well worst case I still have a ton of Fireforge Northmen arms I could use.
legionaires wrote: This is an extremely minor quibble but kinda wish the female Damned didn't have damage to the chest plate in the same places for most of them.
Agreed. I noticed the copy/paste of the damage on the bodies. Makes clones even more obvious when the poses are only slight pose changes with the same details.
The news articles being taken down arent related to the releases. On Facebook they said that the website lost some articles and the site itself doesnt provide a back up... so those articles are lost. And it was ALL the articles since September. not just the grand scale stuff. So I wouldnt read anything in to it from that.
I haven't been following the grandscale stuff as its not really my thing... but the orcs do look nice.
And now... I am debating on getting the dark age army builder to soak up all my extra conquistador heads and weapons... To make generic fantasy mercs/ guards... I am kind of glad that its a long way from the $6000 needed for production as I would have impulse ordered some...
because is taken from the famous Panzer IV with the space between the commander and the gun was at a minimum
and why it was so tricky to upgrade guns for that tank as there wasn't any room for a little more recoil in that turret
given most made up tanks using the same style reduce the distance even further making the gun not just without recoil but impossible to load as well
Brickfix wrote: I see no issue for any sci-fi gun like laser, plasma, ion and what else guns.
I hope it's for the Damned APC/IFV
it's a Quar tank. i put a picture of the resin kit earlier, it's pretty obvious it's the same vehicle.
that said, you could probably use it as a Damned AFV. just swap the Quar tank commander out for a kitbashed Damned one.
personally i think the Quar tanks are a good choice for an early effort at a vehicle kit. like the Damned's truck, they're fairly simple shapes, so easier to cut into parts and fit on a minimum of sprues. the Ailthean is also a good choice since it's tread design seems to be reused on several other Quar tanks, so if they design the sprue layouts right and put the motive system half onto its own sprue, they could easily do kits for other Quar tanks by swapping out new turret sprues.
given the Quar tank is clearly mounting a fairly low-velocity gun (which matches the setting's fluff for the vehicle), the distance of travel is probably workable. it just wouldn't leave much room for upgrades to a better gun later. but since in the setting this is a 'light' tank used to support infantry assaults, not fight other tanks or attack heavy fortifications, a low velocity gun firing explosive shells is probably ideal.
indeed, the fluff for it says it's a 78mm, so the "gun" is probably only that smaller barrel at the front, and the larger bit behind it is probably just an armored housing holding the breech.
SU-152 wrote: Any clue when is the next release of Grand scale minis?
Well they announced Azincourt back in July, the Orcs in August and we have seen previews of both.
But they have taken down the news articles for Azincourt and the upcoming 10mm fantasy ruleset. So maybe some sort of hiccup to the release plans?
I guess nothing else in Grand scale this year...
Man you guys don't keep reading down a thread before just posting away do you?
If you sign up for our weekly email at the bottom there is a handy list of all the frames/sets that are in development and if you've been paying attention you'll be able to tell about when they'll be released by their T1 date (a T1 is a first test shot off a mold. Typically the engineering team gets it right on the first pass but sometimes we go to a T2 if there are any fill or sinkage issues. [Contrasted to GW who put those little iteration marks on the corners of their frames to show how many times they've had to try-try again to get it right - I think the IG frame has 9 of them!!!] But I digress in discussing sub-par tooling)
Here's that list so you can see what's coming and have an idea of when:
Dual-Use 40mm x 20mm Bases (Packing)
Dual Use 25mm x 50mm Pill Bases (Packing)
Dual Use 20mm Bases (Packing)
Dual Use 40mm Square Bases (Packing)
Barons' War Foot Serjeants (1150-1320) (Box Printing)
50mm Textured Bases (Box Design)
Damned Brutes (T1 November 22)
Quar Fidwog (Box Design/T1 November 30)
WW1 German HMG Teams (Box Printing/T1 November 28)
Zombies (T1 November 30)
Damned Outriders (T1 December 4)
Samurai Command (T1 December 12)
Grand Battle Scale Orcs (T1 December 15)
Guards of Traitor's Toll City Folk (Box Design)
Guards of Traitor's Toll City Guard (Box Design)
Grand Battle Scale Samurai Command (Box Illustration/T1 December 12)
SU-152 wrote: Any clue when is the next release of Grand scale minis?
Well they announced Azincourt back in July, the Orcs in August and we have seen previews of both.
But they have taken down the news articles for Azincourt and the upcoming 10mm fantasy ruleset. So maybe some sort of hiccup to the release plans?
I guess nothing else in Grand scale this year...
Man you guys don't keep reading down a thread before just posting away do you?
If you sign up for our weekly email at the bottom there is a handy list of all the frames/sets that are in development and if you've been paying attention you'll be able to tell about when they'll be released by their T1 date (a T1 is a first test shot off a mold. Typically the engineering team gets it right on the first pass but sometimes we go to a T2 if there are any fill or sinkage issues. [Contrasted to GW who put those little iteration marks on the corners of their frames to show how many times they've had to try-try again to get it right - I think the IG frame has 9 of them!!!] But I digress in discussing sub-par tooling)
Here's that list so you can see what's coming and have an idea of when:
Dual-Use 40mm x 20mm Bases (Packing)
Dual Use 25mm x 50mm Pill Bases (Packing)
Dual Use 20mm Bases (Packing)
Dual Use 40mm Square Bases (Packing)
Barons' War Foot Serjeants (1150-1320) (Box Printing)
50mm Textured Bases (Box Design)
Damned Brutes (T1 November 22)
Quar Fidwog (Box Design/T1 November 30)
WW1 German HMG Teams (Box Printing/T1 November 28)
Zombies (T1 November 30)
Damned Outriders (T1 December 4)
Samurai Command (T1 December 12)
Grand Battle Scale Orcs (T1 December 15)
Guards of Traitor's Toll City Folk (Box Design)
Guards of Traitor's Toll City Guard (Box Design)
Grand Battle Scale Samurai Command (Box Illustration/T1 December 12)
Thanks for posting, I don't subscribe to newsletters so often miss things like that. No chance of adding that sort of thing to the release schedule-section of the website? https://wargamesatlantic.com/pages/release-schedule
Ugh. More bases with holes in the middle. The 25mm textured bases with a bevel were great, but these not so much.
I love pre-textured bases and bases with a lip can be very useful but would it really be that hard to simply have a thinner round section that can be pushed/cut through if necessary? GW did a similar thing 30 years ago for their bases. Holes just ruin the when use for non-puddle bases and make for more work.
So this sort of stuff is what Mantic used to post a lot of and that totally worked out for them, and never back fired...
Where is the tooling done? You mention Altera Industrial but they seem difficult to find online, and you mention everything but tooling as specifically being done in the states.
I had a much longer response typed out, comparing old kits and new kits - Dreamforge in particular, but Dakka logged me out so I'll boil all of it down.
- For a few quid more, I can buy a GW kit. I know its going be fun, consistently sculpted, and come with enough options when relevant (less options when I need to build more of the thing).
- Buying from GW means I can buy multiple other kits that will be compatable, where as WA seems to suffer from Warlord Games' 'Ooo, actually, we're doing this now' approach which as a customer, is just disengaging.
- This sort of comparison really needs to be a show, not tell. Wargames Factorys Leviathans, and the truck thing, were awesome pieces of kit - its not suprising GW outsourced all their terrain to them. WA haven't really produced anything like that.
Hot off the Presses! Quar Fidwogs! We need to make a few adjustments on the tool, but these are almost ready to go. Each frame includes 6 infantry and a squad tractor which is a full squad of these guys. Like the other Infantry sets you'll get two full squads in the box!
Automatically Appended Next Post: and for The Damned some brutal Brutes
I'm super excited to get my grubby mitts on these guys! And I'm really excited to see how they can be kit bashed with the Brute parts from the command sprue.
I should be back within the week with another update.
I will also be reaching out to all EU backers to discuss your additional reward very soon.
Lost a lot of melee options. Hopefully these all make it as STL. At this point it might have been better to drop melee altogether and put in more guns, you're gonna have to print arms if you wanna go melee anyway.
You could convert the flamer barrel to a 2 handed CCW pretty easily. Not ideal, but it's something.
This is another one of those times (like the townspeople) where a set provides options to make a couple reasonably sized units of different types, but not a single large unit of a some of those types.
So...if you convert the flamer... and have any landsknecht ogre bits, you can use the halberd or spear heads from that. That was a good thought Ellif. So A couple squads of ogres should look ok without too much sameyness.
I have 10 Sprues of Damned ogres and 10 Command sprues currently in my list (subject to change). That means:
40 Ogres. (30 regular and 10 command)
*20 x 1 handed swords (10 from regular and 10 from command)
*10 x 1 handed war picks
*10 x 2-handed axes
*10 x 2-handed flamers
*10 x right handed pistols
*10 x left handed pistols
*10 x shields (wish there was 1 more shield on the sprue)
*20 x left handed fists (2 sculpts)
*10 x pouches with knives
*40 x gas mask heads
*10 x command gas mask heads
Bonus:
* The landsknechts had grenades as attachments which I didnt use any of on my landsknects.
* The Halberd and spear heads for flamer conversions
Automatically Appended Next Post: Forgot, there is a shotgun with non-billowy arms on the landsknecht sprue..
Barons' War Levy and Serjeants are both boxing up now - the mounted sets are in layout. A secret set is on the way for the Barons' War too.
Quar Fidwogs will wrap tooling Monday. The sets for Crusader and Coftyran Command and Specialists are both in file prep. As are the next two Quar sets after those.
Zombies is done tooling - box is at the printers.
German WW1 HMG set box is done and waiting for injection.
Damned Beastmen just went to tooling - the Mauler is in file prep.
Grand Battle Scale Samurai Command wraps tooling soon.
Classic Fantasy Battles Orcs (in Grand Battle Scale) will have their T1 on December 15th
Boxes are getting designed now for the two sets we made for Guards of Traitor's Toll - Guard and Villagers and will be out in the New Year.
Now working on the stuff for Q2 2025 along with all the games that are coming next year.
It's very clearly a Grognard, but why are they making another Grognard infantry set? Also, there seem to be a couple of tiny, pointless, changes to the design; some awkward plates on the front of the ankles, and an extra layer of shoulder-pad (which seems unlikely to show in plastic).
It's only a tiny bit more than the base ones. They already have the breastplate, knee-pads, and shoulder pads. This one just adds a couple of tiny pieces you would barely notice. The weapon looks exactly the same too.
At a guess, this is a re-cut to bring their most popular kit up to a slightly higher standard, offering more poses, etc.
It's annoying that all the gates are on the sides of the helmets, that you'd need to file down and make nice and smooth, instead of on the necks like god intended. I like the miniatures though.
Billicus wrote: It's annoying that all the gates are on the sides of the helmets, that you'd need to file down and make nice and smooth, instead of on the necks like god intended. I like the miniatures though.
Yeah, you would think that the pieces could be rotated before the tooling was finalized.
Billicus wrote: It's annoying that all the gates are on the sides of the helmets, that you'd need to file down and make nice and smooth, instead of on the necks like god intended. I like the miniatures though.
Umm ... considerably less enthused now. Let's see how they tool the civilians. If I choose to buy this game, I've plenty of minis other than civilians that I can use, and I like the looks of the WGA Foot Sergeants better any way.
Speaking of questionable tooling decisions, I bought Fantasy Warriors by Grenadier Miniatures back in 1990. This was their attempt to compete with WHFB, which failed. The dwarves and orcs included have the ingate on the small of the back instead of the base. So you had to glue the included shield over the ingate instead of placing it on the left arm where the user could benefit.
I was hyped for this kit, and puddle bases have seriously dampened my enthusiasm. Hate removing them from Frostgrave and Oathmark minis, and if this kit has the same issue, what makes it better than those?
These seem closer to Frostgrave than Oathmark, as far as being more individually customizable. It gives more of a Mordheim mercenaries feel than a regiment. That scratches an itch for me. I love that there's different body types too.
It's no so much of being better than another comparable kit but I'm always happy for more options.
For those who hate puddle bases and don't like messing with sculpting filler....
Use the lipped bases that WGA sells or a similar base with depression. Then scoop in cement (I use "Sand Mix" cement from the hardware store) to level and then dropper on a bit of water. You can even use superglue if you want even faster results. Simply add more cement if it settles too much.
KidCthulhu wrote: (yeah, I know I'm in the minority here; just sayin' plastic puddle bases aren't a dealbreaker if I like the models)
Oh, sure, if the model is good enough I'm willing to put in a lot of work. The alien warriors from AGDitC have their feet sculpted as part of their bases, but I wanted them on some other bases to fit with some existing models. So I spent hours filing the damn things paper thin so they would just fit on top of the other bases.
If these were the only way to get models I really wanted, I'd put up with the effort of trimming them, as I have with other ones. But if there are several ways to get a certain style of model and one of them is heroic scale and has no puddle bases, that's the one I will go for. So their design decisions pushed the kit from the one I would absolutely use as soon as I wanted generic fantasy humans, to one choice among several.
I just find it really weird that nobody seems to like puddle bases (I've literally never seen a single person saying they prefer them) but multiple manufacturers insist on doing them. They even waste (a miniscule amount) of space and plastic, so they are paying extra to (as far as I can tell) make their product less appealing.
Generally, the WA fantasy and Sci-fi ranges come without puddle bases, as that's what the market expects, while their historical ranges have puddle bases because that's what those customers expect. Puddle bases are pretty helpful when multibasing - which is the norm for most historicals up to the 19th century.
Guards of Traitor's Toll is not actually a WA product - it's outsource work for Grey-For-Now Games, just like their 0200 Hours range, so it's not really up to them whether to include puddle bases or not, that's up to the client.
the above link was for the UK but the regulations are under review at present
but being puddle based or not can influence which one of the bajillion categories they fit into(no I don't understand customs codes, I suspect very few do, maybe they just wing it) ,
and especially if your planning to have a boxed game could influence your costs
that said i suspect customer expectations may be the biggest driver as somebody mentioned earlier
The Traitor Toll Guards are definitely a buy. I’ve really been enjoying the stuff WGA has been putting out.
Could I ask that a separate thread in Discussions be created to discuss Puddle Bases? I don’t think they’re News (lots of minis have ‘em), and they’re not Rumors (they’re right there on the mini). I come here for N&R and it’s all about puddle bases.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Insane as it may sound there may be import duty/tarrif reasons for using puddle bases as compared to bases you have to stick on yourself
the above link was for the UK but the regulations are under review at present
but being puddle based or not can influence which one of the bajillion categories they fit into(no I don't understand customs codes, I suspect very few do, maybe they just wing it) ,
and especially if your planning to have a boxed game could influence your costs
that said i suspect customer expectations may be the biggest driver as somebody mentioned earlier
No, bases are not a relevant determinant in any of those categories, and that guidance was withdrawn over a year ago. Manufacturers, like Wargames Atlantic, who produce miniatures both with puddle-style bases and models intended to be glued onto bases by the feet will be importing and exporting both of those types under the same codes, in the same shipments. Most of the categories do not make any difference to duties anyway.
Not a fan of puddle bases but while they're better, flat footed minis aren't always perfect either. They are great if you're using plastic bases, but for resin or other basing superglue isn't ideal for basing and pinning a bunch of minis is annoying.
Am I alone in still wanting to see slotta tabs or foot pegs on plastic figures?
For Slotta basses:
-Slotta basses are still widely available and any company can buy them in bulk cheaply if they wish to sell with their minis.
-Slotta tabs are easy to cut into pegs if you wish to firmly anchor the minis, especially useful for fancy scenic bases that aren't made of plastic.
-Slotta tabs have a straight side that makes them usually quite easy to trim off if you wish to glue them down flat-footed.
Foot pegs are similarly useful except for the use of slotta bases. You can quickly cut a matching peg hole in a plastic base with a craft knife, and they'd be even easier than slotta tabs to remove when gluing to a plastic base.
Yes I would love slotta tabs or foot pegs, and so should sculptors, gives them a bit more leeway in orienting the figure on the sprue than the direct head-on a flat base requires.
In other news, Damned beastmen sprue with delightful boar heads.
While I remain underwhelmed by the bodies / legs (jacket and no pants seems too 'funny animal cartoon' to me) this looks like a rich source of melee weapons and empty hands if you want more options for officers and the like.
I personally really like the classic slotta tabs because they're really easy to take off any figure and if you don't do that, they're really easy to mount onto normal bases as well. But somehow they fell out of favour in the market.
I really like this sprue/frame.
Great head options and the bodies are just fine.
The reason they are not wearing trousers, is that they are free of any good and lawful norms and they are dammed if they will wear trousers.
Full sprue pics are out and they all look good. Glad I pledged enough to get some of everything (except the 'hounds' maybe, the animals look pretty bad, but I like the goads that the handlers have so I might get one sprue).
don't forget to finalise (or change if you need to) your free sprue picks and then checkout..... Or grab a very late pledge now you've seen all that's going to be produced
don't forget to finalise (or change if you need to) your free sprue picks and then checkout..... Or grab a very late pledge now you've seen all that's going to be produced
Those are some perfectly nice beastmen. I enjoy the light cartoony touch, it's very 2nd ed 40K and makes them appropriate for a broader range of game settings. I really appreciate the goat, boar and catdog head options. It goes a long way towards making them feel too coherent.
WGA teased there are some additional Baron's War kits coming in their Friday email beyond the 5 previously announced. Maybe we can finally get a plastic Camel kit for the Crusades and Outremer.
Taking a quick look at The Damned Outrider sprue as it comes off the press.
Good day you lovely Damned backers!
Today it's the turn of The Damned Outrider sprue to be shown. I'm really looking forward to see what people do with these guys. My favourite parts have got to be the horse heads! And the fact that there will be plain horse heads on the horse frame that need to find a home, I can envisage a lot of gruesome trophies doing the rounds!
And the reverse!
I have an email prepared for the EU backers with regards to the tax and additional reward. That will be sent out as soon as I have all of your emails grouped together.
It is unlikely that I will have another update for you before Christmas. So to all of you that celebrate I wish you a happy one!
Are the new Peasants the same smaller Barons' War size as the Foot Knights? Does anyone have any pictures yet?
I ordered like $400 worth of Barons' War minis, only to find that they're way too small to fit with anything else I have; now I'm trying to sell them on ebay, at a loss. The Peasants would be perfect for what I'm looking for, but I don't want to repeat that mistake.
I received the Levy today but not had the chance to build any yet. Looking at the sprues they match the foot knights scale wise. My understanding is they have been designed to fit in with the metal range so I expect the other sets to be the same.
feanor3791 wrote: Are the new Peasants the same smaller Barons' War size as the Foot Knights? Does anyone have any pictures yet?
I ordered like $400 worth of Barons' War minis, only to find that they're way too small to fit with anything else I have; now I'm trying to sell them on ebay, at a loss. The Peasants would be perfect for what I'm looking for, but I don't want to repeat that mistake.
Thanks
Ouch, tough break. Wish I could help you out but we got 2 rounds of auto repairs for Christmas with 2 new batteries as a bonus.
RedRowan wrote: I received the Levy today but not had the chance to build any yet. Looking at the sprues they match the foot knights scale wise. My understanding is they have been designed to fit in with the metal range so I expect the other sets to be the same.
Steve
Thanks; that's kind of what I expected, but wanted to confirm. Too bad--the sculpts are beautiful.
feanor3791 wrote: Are the new Peasants the same smaller Barons' War size as the Foot Knights? Does anyone have any pictures yet?
I ordered like $400 worth of Barons' War minis, only to find that they're way too small to fit with anything else I have; now I'm trying to sell them on ebay, at a loss. The Peasants would be perfect for what I'm looking for, but I don't want to repeat that mistake.
Thanks
Ouch, tough break. Wish I could help you out but we got 2 rounds of auto repairs for Christmas with 2 new batteries as a bonus.
Double ouch. Hope Christmas turns out well for you anyway.
RedRowan wrote: Quick picture before I head out. These are a Wargames Atlantic Foot Knight, Perry Miniatures Archer, Wargames Atlantic Levy and a Fireforge Northman.
Steve
Oh, so they're perfectly compatible with Perry. Nice, thank you.
I hope that doesn't mean, though, that the Perrys I just ordered are too small for my other minis. I've got Elves from LotR, Dwarves, Vikings, and Goblins from Ragnarok, and heroes, Orcs, Trolls, Giants, and other monsters of the earlier metal Reapers; the smaller ones with the realistic proportions.
I'm measuring from the sole of the foot, i.e. the top of the base. Am I doing it wrong? Do others mean 28mm from the table to the eye?
RedRowan wrote: Quick picture before I head out. These are a Wargames Atlantic Foot Knight, Perry Miniatures Archer, Wargames Atlantic Levy and a Fireforge Northman.
Steve
@RedRowan How many of the levy weapon sprues come in the box? It looks like it has 5 Body/ main sprues... so is it 3 weapons sprues in the box?
legionaires wrote:Man, I'm now glad I haven't bought heavily into Fireforge. Guess I should be patient for WGA and Victrix medieval ranges.
lord_blackfang wrote:Fireforge Fantasy is pretty damn chunky, almost AoS human scale. Dunno about their historicals.
Yeah, agreed. They have a bit of the heroic fantasy exaggerated proportions, like Warhammer or the newer Reapers. Fine if that's your thing, but not for me.
Smokestack wrote: @RedRowan How many of the levy weapon sprues come in the box? It looks like it has 5 Body/ main sprues... so is it 3 weapons sprues in the box?
There are 5 x main sprues with the bodies and 2 x Long Weapon sprues in the box.
Thanks for the answers and pictures, guys. From the comparisons, I can see that at least their heads are compatibly-sized, so if they turn out too short I can swap them onto other bodies. Those masked heads and some of the non-martial weapons are the main thing I want--I'm tired of using stand-ins for bandits. Between this set and Victrix Norman Infantry, Crossbowmen, and Archers, I should have a pretty good little outlaw band with which to harass my players.
I hope that doesn't mean, though, that the Perrys I just ordered are too small for my other minis. I've got Elves from LotR, Dwarves, Vikings, and Goblins from Ragnarok, and heroes, Orcs, Trolls, Giants, and other monsters of the earlier metal Reapers; the smaller ones with the realistic proportions.
I'm measuring from the sole of the foot, i.e. the top of the base. Am I doing it wrong? Do others mean 28mm from the table to the eye?
That's a very useful picture for comparison. Thanks for posting.
As you correctly suggest. Wargame miniatures are measured from the sole of the foot to the eyeline. Makes it much easier to compare various miniatures without taking into account headgear, approximate height of head, etc....
Not to say that companies will necessarily label their figures correctly, but sole-to-eye measuring is the standard for wargames miniatures.
Locked in my The Damned pledge. Deadline is end of month. EU VAT email also went out, they'll give us webshop vouchers in the sum of VAT charged by Gamefound.
I am very happy with my Ancient Chariots of the two-horse variety and even bought and built a set all ready! I even bought a box of your Persians for the crew.
I am curious if there is any chance of a 4-horse chariot? Such things were common in the Chariot Age, and were used by Hittites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Chinese, Carthaginians, the Roman games, and more! A generic set like this one would be amazing!
feanor3791 wrote: Thanks for the answers and pictures, guys. From the comparisons, I can see that at least their heads are compatibly-sized, so if they turn out too short I can swap them onto other bodies. Those masked heads and some of the non-martial weapons are the main thing I want--I'm tired of using stand-ins for bandits. Between this set and Victrix Norman Infantry, Crossbowmen, and Archers, I should have a pretty good little outlaw band with which to harass my players.
Don't forget there are 2 surprise Baron's War kits coming early next year. Hopefully they will be bandits.
feanor3791 wrote: Thanks for the answers and pictures, guys. From the comparisons, I can see that at least their heads are compatibly-sized, so if they turn out too short I can swap them onto other bodies. Those masked heads and some of the non-martial weapons are the main thing I want--I'm tired of using stand-ins for bandits. Between this set and Victrix Norman Infantry, Crossbowmen, and Archers, I should have a pretty good little outlaw band with which to harass my players.
Don't forget there are 2 surprise Baron's War kits coming early next year. Hopefully they will be bandits.
Oh, that would be very cool.
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Easy E wrote: I am very happy with my Ancient Chariots of the two-horse variety and even bought and built a set all ready! I even bought a box of your Persians for the crew.
I am curious if there is any chance of a 4-horse chariot? Such things were common in the Chariot Age, and were used by Hittites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Chinese, Carthaginians, the Roman games, and more! A generic set like this one would be amazing!
A sprue for Scything would be great too!
I wonder if you could kitbash some? Maybe cut the tree off at the base which attaches to the chariot, and then attach that to the front of another one.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: They sell a box of just horses right? Would those be adaptable for a chariot?
They actually sell 2 separate just horses boxes now. "Horses" and "Light Horses". The chariots come with the ones from "Horses". So if you get a box of horses they are the same ones in the chariots box.
But the issue is more with the Yoke/ horse connector part to the chariot. Though as said above it shouldn't be that hard to convert.
Here are both horse sprues... Horses on left, and light horses on right
I hope that doesn't mean, though, that the Perrys I just ordered are too small for my other minis. I've got Elves from LotR, Dwarves, Vikings, and Goblins from Ragnarok, and heroes, Orcs, Trolls, Giants, and other monsters of the earlier metal Reapers; the smaller ones with the realistic proportions.
I'm measuring from the sole of the foot, i.e. the top of the base. Am I doing it wrong? Do others mean 28mm from the table to the eye?
That's a very useful picture for comparison. Thanks for posting.
As you correctly suggest. Wargame miniatures are measured from the sole of the foot to the eyeline. Makes it much easier to compare various miniatures without taking into account headgear, approximate height of head, etc....
Not to say that companies will necessarily label their figures correctly, but sole-to-eye measuring is the standard for wargames miniatures.
Thanks. I'm thinking I'll do another one like it when my Perries and Victrices (a bit of grammatical humor to amuse no one but myself) arrive, adding the metal Barons' War also.
There is also a matter of Chariot "car" size as well. You need to be able to fit three to four minis in the back of it too. Not just adding two extra horses.
A Digital add-on for four-horse and scything would be great!
Adjusted and finalized my pledge. I'm quite excited about this. I've already got an Imperial Guard army...
https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-24779-13756_Melk%2037th.html ... and it's pretty great that for a bit over $100 (plus some head swaps and patching some armor tears) I'll be able to add to it:
-2 Squads of Rough Riders
-3 Squads of Ogryn
-3 Pieces of artillery
-1 Squad of Stormtroopers
1-3 Squads of beastmen (might use some for my fantasy army, haven't decided yet)
On top of that I'll have enough bits to make at least 40 Chaos cultist types and lots of conversation bits left over.
I'd mostly dropped out of crowd funded projects, but this was an easy one to make exception for!
Looks like I'll have to finally jump on the preorder wagon! Have a mate who could use some chaos cultists, and I'd love some "feudal IG"! I have to say though, I know they've tried to strike a balance where you can use them as both traitors or loyalist forces but I think I'd actually be disappointed as a chaos player with the lack of grimdark. They're much more a wasteland-anarchy kind of vibe by default.
Last chance for updates and late pledges as the pledge manager closes at the end of 31st December.
That's just about all folks!
Once the pledge manager has closed we will begin compiling your orders and running the final injection runs of each of the infantry frames. The Mauler is currently in layout following file fixes. It will then move to tooling and injection in time for fulfilment.
We are still aiming to begin fulfilment in March. The general retail release of The Damned will follow the final fulfilment of the campaign. It is our intention to release each of The Damned sets at a rate of one to two sets per month.
I'd like to say a big thank you to you all for your support and engagement over the course of this campaign. It has been a blast so far! Let's keep it up for the final few months. And beyond!
Best wishes to all of you for the New Year! I'll see you in an update on the other side!
Charlie
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And then a fantasy campaign hopefully. A full Halfling army!
Charlie-Wargames Atlantic
We've got one coming in 10mm... Don't tell the boss I said that though!
So... It doesnt look like a 28mm plastic halfling army is coming, but It does look like a grand scale one is. Though the above comment could be referring to the dwarves too I suppose
legionaires wrote: This 10mm Grand Scale must be a passion project because I just don't get it. I'd that rather seen 15mm stuff for FoW or 8mm for Legions Imperialis.
Pretty sure Flames of War doesn't even have Halflings?
legionaires wrote: This 10mm Grand Scale must be a passion project because I just don't get it. I'd that rather seen 15mm stuff for FoW or 8mm for Legions Imperialis.
Nothing wrong with passion projects but I think plastic 10mm fantasy is a fairly attractive product. At least it is a far less crowded segment of the market compared to WWII and "Epic".
10mm is actually standard scale for "fantasy Epic" with several games and dozens of miniature lines, assuming it's not a relevant product line is just personal ignorance.
Finalized my pledge since I needed to update my address anyway.
I went in for 5 boxes and between all the free sprues unlocked I'm basically get a box each of heavy infantry, ogres and support weapons for free.
I also went for 1 sprue of outriders, I'm going to experiment and see if I can convert the riders for motorbikes instead. It's much easier to justify risking 1 free sprue on a conversion project than a whole box.
RustyNumber wrote: I think I'd actually be disappointed as a chaos player with the lack of grimdark. They're much more a wasteland-anarchy kind of vibe by default.
It depends on what flavor of Chaos you're after. It's not super Grimdark, but with the majority of heads they're pretty evil looking. Enough to push it away from feudal guard.
They are generic enough though that a head swap can push them back into Imperial suitability.
I'll build my Ogryn and Beastmen straight from the kits. The Rough Riders and Stormtroopers will have new heads (probably Pig Iron Kolony Militia to match my current army) and most of their armor repaired. Artillery will be done without crew.
Easy E wrote: I am very happy with my Ancient Chariots of the two-horse variety and even bought and built a set all ready! I even bought a box of your Persians for the crew.
I am curious if there is any chance of a 4-horse chariot? Such things were common in the Chariot Age, and were used by Hittites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Chinese, Carthaginians, the Roman games, and more! A generic set like this one would be amazing!
A sprue for Scything would be great too!
Thanks! I'm certain we'll have a 4-horser at some point although probably not this year!
It's finally time to show you the City Folk plastic sprue that goes alongside the City Guards I showed off earlier.
There are 6 bodies - 3 male and 3 female, covering the wealthy, average and poor, and a number of 'dress-up' items like capes, satchels, scarves and aprons that change the look significantly, plus of course loads of different heads.
There is a large variety of open hands in different poses, designed to fit all the many, many small items on the sprue - a teapot, bunch of flowers, fish, cleaver, scroll, book, snake, bucket, smoking pipe, owl and lots more. It's going to be an incredibly useful kit!
The sprue has been made by Wargames Atlantic, sculpted by Rob Macfarlane - so it will mix perfectly with things like the new Peasant Levy set.
NB the pirate-looking chap in the pics uses parts from the Guards sprue.
Love these. Will definitely get at least a box or 2. Hope the puddle bases don't kill these for some of you. Wonder how many you will get in a box. Hoping for 4 sprues... (24) for around the normal WA of $34.95- $39.95.
Edit: Confirmed on Facebook. 4 sprues. So 24 to a box
Only need a box myself for the moment. Want them for Deth Wizards, a skirmish game where you play a necromancer either PvP, co-op, or solo. On the Deth Wizards sub-reddit, they posted the number of NPCs you'd need at max, so 15 civvies, and 5 of the other types, who are standard RPG classes, so I have those already. And I have a large undead army so I have most of that side, but certain types need "fleshing out", as I didn't like ghouls in WHFB so never bought any. Couple other missing types like that easily filled by Reaper.
So eventually the WGA city folk will find a home among my GW cardboard village terrain, however brief ...
I definitely need a few boxes of those. They will work wonders for my major weak spot: townsfolk. After all, when you have a town, it should be populated.
Are 25mmx3mm square bases with recess coming at some point? I didn't see that choice in the Bases survey.
If WGA is going to persist with puddle bases, and the most popular rank and flank game is now 25mm square standard, it seems like that would be a good product to offer.
EM4 is the only other company offering them and they seem to be out of stock most of the time.
So how did they do the bases in those photos? I dont SEE the puddle bases.. but maybe those are special large bases with a spot for the attached bases, or they removed them for the photos.. which implies they don't like them much either..
porkuslime wrote: So how did they do the bases in those photos? I dont SEE the puddle bases.. but maybe those are special large bases with a spot for the attached bases, or they removed them for the photos.. which implies they don't like them much either..
Likely those were 3D printed samples they got before the real sprue was completed. The 3D printed ones may not have had the puddle bases.
Eilif wrote: Are 25mmx3mm square bases with recess coming at some point? I didn't see that choice in the Bases survey.
If WGA is going to persist with puddle bases, and the most popular rank and flank game is now 25mm square standard, it seems like that would be a good product to offer.
EM4 is the only other company offering them and they seem to be out of stock most of the time.
I've been buying 20/25/30 squares online from evemodel_ca on ebay for years, no idea who makes them or if they're in house... so they're there, and they're bloody cheap!
On WGA, does anyone have suggestions for making heavy weapon crew suitable for the Bulldogs and Raumjager to pose with heavy weapons? Printing their digital offerings isn't an option for me. I suppose it will have to be good old fashioned plastic converting and bitz sliicing.
Cheers for that but with dollar conversion the price is $100AUD just for 3 weapon teams! Sadly it seems no local printers are offering WGA specifically, plenty of other interesting stuff to be found on etsy etc.
Eilif wrote: Are 25mmx3mm square bases with recess coming at some point? I didn't see that choice in the Bases survey.
If WGA is going to persist with puddle bases, and the most popular rank and flank game is now 25mm square standard, it seems like that would be a good product to offer.
EM4 is the only other company offering them and they seem to be out of stock most of the time.
I've been buying 20/25/30 squares online from evemodel_ca on ebay for years, no idea who makes them or if they're in house... so they're there, and they're bloody cheap!
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Are they lipped with a recess in the center?
25mm squares are common and I've got plenty. What I want is 25mmx25x3mm recessed in the middle like these:
https://em4miniatures.com/en-us/products/25mm-square-with-lip-x-20 Or similar to what WGA already makes in 20x20.
They're supremely useful for figures with cast-on/puddle bases. Just glue the fig in and fill the recess. The end result looks much more natural than the figure-on-a-mound that is so common.
Oh no they're not, sorry I missed that bit! I've personally given up on caring about the puddle bases, unless I'm particularly keen and take the time to clip/trim them. Otherwise I just try to throw on enough PVA and sand to disguise them
I caved in and pledged for The Damned before it ended, myself and a mate going halves. It's absurd value the amount of extra sprues being offered!
Oh and on the subject of 10mm, there's an interesting article in Wargames Illustrated where WGA discuss the merits of 10mm and historical hatred by some of anything like 15mm!
You probably remember the Wargames Factory Survivors both male and female. Don't know how well they did for Wargames Factory, but Warlord Games bought the rights and molds for their now defunct zombie game. Got a box of the male survivors myself, and a sprue each of female survivors and female zombies while Wargames Factory still owned the molds.
Not exactly what you want, as both sets were armed to the teeth with firearms (wanted more fire axes and crowbars myself), but closest thing that made it to market.
You probably remember the Wargames Factory Survivors both male and female. Don't know how well they did for Wargames Factory, but Warlord Games bought the rights and molds for their now defunct zombie game. Got a box of the male survivors myself, and a sprue each of female survivors and female zombies while Wargames Factory still owned the molds.
Not exactly what you want, as both sets were armed to the teeth with firearms (wanted more fire axes and crowbars myself), but closest thing that made it to market.
I actually bought a box of the female survivors, and thought the models were pretty cool for the cost, if not terribly useful for most games (despite the number of spare weapons/alternative arms in the box, some figures would only be able to take one option).
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I had the males and never painted or even built them, WGF tried for action poses they really weren't able to pull off.
My dream is civilians who can wither be panicking and running or rioting.
I have digital sets of modern panicking/rioting civilians from both Anvil and Wargames Atlantic, but I don't think I've ever seen a physical set for retail.
Blood on the Sands is a historically inspired skirmish game that immerses players in thrilling one-on-one gladiatorial combats. Players build and manage a stable of gladiators at their school, or ludus, battling for survival in the provincial arenas of ancient Rome. Blood on the Sands recreates the dynamic, back-and-forth 'dance' of the gladiatorial duel, reflecting the balanced intricacies that the Romans infused into their deadly bloodsport. The mechanics produce thrilling, narrative combats that move across the arena, demanding tactics, skill, and a degree of luck from the players. Between games, players manage their stable across the course of a campaign. Each gladiator strives to be crowned Champion and lead their ludus to victory—but most will fall, forgotten, like Blood on the Sands!
I have some of the 3D printed Gladiators from Wargames Atlantic and they Speedpainted up great!
I don't really need more Gladiators, but I always WANT more gladiators.
The rules themselves are a bit too focused on one-on-one duels for me, and ignores all the other ways Gladiators fought in the Arena. However, the core system is pretty solid and popular with the historical wargaming set.
I can use some multipart gladiators so this is now on my radar. I wonder though as the company they did the roman gang set for, there was talk about doing gladiators for them... this is a different company. So now I wonder if there will be 2 sets of gladiators through WA or how that other company will feel about this. Also hoping since this is a kickstarter that there may be a female gladiator set if funding supports it.
On one level, I am impatient for all the WGA kits that we are waiting for, on another I love that WGA is doing exactly what I've wanted for years, ie be an American company doing the plastic production for other game companies.
Smokestack wrote: I can use some multipart gladiators so this is now on my radar. I wonder though as the company they did the roman gang set for, there was talk about doing gladiators for them... this is a different company. So now I wonder if there will be 2 sets of gladiators through WA or how that other company will feel about this. Also hoping since this is a kickstarter that there may be a female gladiator set if funding supports it.
Wargames Atlantic Digital does have female gladiators. However, I doubt they will get a wide release in plastic.
Smokestack wrote: I can use some multipart gladiators so this is now on my radar. I wonder though as the company they did the roman gang set for, there was talk about doing gladiators for them... this is a different company. So now I wonder if there will be 2 sets of gladiators through WA or how that other company will feel about this. Also hoping since this is a kickstarter that there may be a female gladiator set if funding supports it.
Wargames Atlantic Digital does have female gladiators. However, I doubt they will get a wide release in plastic.
Yeah but this launches a week after my birthday. So, if I save my birthday wish, then maybe?
. (I don’t actually think that's their intention).
